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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 12, 2020 14:30:50 GMT
One of the things that isn't a big deal but irks me is when Bi romances have the same sex scene for male and female characters romancing the same person. You really see it with the asari romances (except ME1) when liara and pee bee's sex scenes are clearly meant for the male character (either male shep or scott ryder). In ME1 the sex scene with liara made sense whether you were a male character or female character. But ME3 and MEA have your character in a certain position that is clearly made for a male character. Yes it is a weird thing to be annoyed by but it just makes the female version of that scene feel recycled. And again this is obviously not something that ruins the game and is a small thing but it irks me. Anyone agree
Also do they have a mod that makes the pee bee scene different for a female ryder?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2020 14:33:45 GMT
Personally I wouldn't mind having more scenes of dialogue-based romance over a straight up digital sexytimes puppet show. Sex scenes are always kind of awkward. The best romance parts of these games has always been that dramatic kiss scene (LotSB's scene with the exploding shield generator is kind of great in a really cheeseball way) or scenes where characters are having a more intimate back and forth. I think Suvi's romance scene, for example, is better than Peebee's, regardless of M/F!Ryder.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 12, 2020 17:04:30 GMT
The less of the actual sex act they show, the fewer resources they waste on nude modeling and making the pixels line up for various character combinations, the happier I am.
I'd rather they invest the resources in more emotional intimacy, fade to black, and let us headcanon the rest.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 12, 2020 17:28:59 GMT
The one thing that I would have liked is having a scene with femshep giving Sam a hug, if in a romance, after Horizon. Her parents are likely dead. If anyone needed a hug, she did.
I would rather see a fade-to-black leaving the player imagining what happened.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 12, 2020 18:34:40 GMT
Its probably all about managing the time the artists have to put into romances. Animators have a lot of work to do in a BioWare game and if it doesn't done perfectly people will whine about it all day long even if the majority of the animations are fine. If anything there would something be done to make it a more unisex interaction like all the animations in Inquisition that were a step back and completely motionless so that they didn't have to go back and animate for all the different races and their sizes into the conversation.
The old adage I think applies with "be careful what you wish for, for you might just get it".
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 12, 2020 18:57:02 GMT
The one thing that I would have liked is having a scene with femshep giving Sam a hug, if in a romance, after Horizon. Her parents are likely dead. If anyone needed a hug, she did. I would rather see a fade-to-black leaving the player imagining what happened. Personally I despise cheap nasty fade to black route. Player shouldn’t be left to imagine the Sexual side of romances.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 12, 2020 20:14:17 GMT
Its probably all about managing the time the artists have to put into romances. Animators have a lot of work to do in a BioWare game and if it doesn't done perfectly people will whine about it all day long even if the majority of the animations are fine. If anything there would something be done to make it a more unisex interaction like all the animations in Inquisition that were a step back and completely motionless so that they didn't have to go back and animate for all the different races and their sizes into the conversation. The old adage I think applies with "be careful what you wish for, for you might just get it".
Tell me about when Josephine in DAI kiss her love when you start the romance and later when/if a player decides she's the one and lock the romance in she kisses with one of her legs bent, this works great with the humans and the qunari (especially for the qunari it makes her look she's standing on her tip toes) it's OK with elves but it looks utterly silly with the dwarves also when you kiss her in the garden she always looks like she holding the qunari Inquisitor's butt for dear life and it's the reverse for the dwarven Inquisitor.
But this is not new BioWare in Jade Empire the female Spirit Monk would tower over Silk Fox for their kiss even if other scenes they're pretty much the same size but IIRC in that case the decision to make Silk Fox bisexual was added in pretty late development.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 12, 2020 21:34:46 GMT
The one thing that I would have liked is having a scene with femshep giving Sam a hug, if in a romance, after Horizon. Her parents are likely dead. If anyone needed a hug, she did. I would rather see a fade-to-black leaving the player imagining what happened. Personally I despise cheap nasty fade to black route. Player shouldn’t be left to imagine the Sexual side of romances. An unusual word choice given what you're advocating for here.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 13, 2020 0:43:15 GMT
Her scene didn't bother me because I'm more concerned with my character's broken arms (like in inquisition), or my female characters walking around hunched than any animations during sex scenes. However I won't judge someone for where they place their priorities, we all like different things.
Honestly though? Even if Bioware left romance out completely I'd be fine, I enjoyed DA awakening and POE is one of my favorite games and neither have romance or sex scenes.
As for mods, you can search the nexus for something but I doubt you'd find what you're looking for. I always heard that frostbite is hard to mod and I think you would need something similar to the DA toolset to create such a scene? I also don't believe a toolset was ever released for Andromeda. But really I'm not a mod maker, so I'm not 100% sure.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 17, 2020 0:21:27 GMT
Personally I despise cheap nasty fade to black route. Player shouldn’t be left to imagine the Sexual side of romances. An unusual word choice given what you're advocating for here. Some people don't find sex in games or entertainment cheap or nasty though... at least not as a rule.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 17, 2020 0:32:11 GMT
An unusual word choice given what you're advocating for here. Some people don't find sex in games or entertainment cheap or nasty though... at least not as a rule. Correct. Doesn't change the fact that "cheap nasty" is an odd way to describe something as simple and non-imposing as fade to black.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 17, 2020 1:45:19 GMT
Some people don't find sex in games or entertainment cheap or nasty though... at least not as a rule. Correct. Doesn't change the fact that "cheap nasty" is an odd way to describe something as simple and non-imposing as fade to black. No cost to animate - cheap Personally rubs someone the wrong way - nasty I actually feel fade to black is both IF violence and gore is not censored in such away. I find the message that blood and death is okay but sex is horrid, shameful, and to be hidden to be quite repulsive.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 17, 2020 3:08:45 GMT
Correct. Doesn't change the fact that "cheap nasty" is an odd way to describe something as simple and non-imposing as fade to black. No cost to animate - cheap Personally rubs someone the wrong way - nasty I actually feel fade to black is both IF violence and gore is not censored in such away. I find the message that blood and death is okay but sex is horrid, shameful, and to be hidden to be quite repulsive. It's unfortunate that that's the message you derive from fade-to-black - especially since cutscenes actually cost time and money to produce - and in this case, the romances are 100% optional side content.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 17, 2020 4:14:13 GMT
No cost to animate - cheap Personally rubs someone the wrong way - nasty I actually feel fade to black is both IF violence and gore is not censored in such away. I find the message that blood and death is okay but sex is horrid, shameful, and to be hidden to be quite repulsive. It's unfortunate that that's the message you derive from fade-to-black - especially since cutscenes actually cost time and money to produce - and in this case, the romances are 100% optional side content. Only from games that have you kill on a whim and revel in gore but shrinks from sex. Bioware had it right with MEA and Inquisition. But then, their willingness to embrace romance and not shying from sex is a big reason Bioware is my favourite dev.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2020 4:39:33 GMT
Correct. Doesn't change the fact that "cheap nasty" is an odd way to describe something as simple and non-imposing as fade to black. No cost to animate - cheap Personally rubs someone the wrong way - nasty I actually feel fade to black is both IF violence and gore is not censored in such away. I find the message that blood and death is okay but sex is horrid, shameful, and to be hidden to be quite repulsive. I mean, as someone who doesn’t want sex I would love for the games to have options that don’t involve death too. I love games that have the pacifist routes.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 17, 2020 4:42:15 GMT
It's unfortunate that that's the message you derive from fade-to-black - especially since cutscenes actually cost time and money to produce - and in this case, the romances are 100% optional side content. Only from games that have you kill on a whim and revel in gore but shrinks from sex. Bioware had it right with MEA and Inquisition. But then, their willingness to embrace romance and not shying from sex is a big reason Bioware is my favourite dev. It seems they pretty much have to include them, lest they subject themselves to accusations such as these. Violence is kinda necessary in any game that features combat as its primary gameplay loop. Sex, not so much. That said, I certainly appreciate the romances BioWare typically offers, and hope they'll continue to offer a wide variety of romanceable characters. But I'm perfectly content with fade to black - which allows players to fill in the blanks in their roleplay - and don't have any particular desire or need to see uncanny valley sex scenes, especially when they may have better uses for the resources expended on them.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 17, 2020 18:18:29 GMT
It's unfortunate that that's the message you derive from fade-to-black - especially since cutscenes actually cost time and money to produce - and in this case, the romances are 100% optional side content. Only from games that have you kill on a whim and revel in gore but shrinks from sex. Bioware had it right with MEA and Inquisition. But then, their willingness to embrace romance and not shying from sex is a big reason Bioware is my favourite dev. Yeah leading in this area is definite reason why bioware for a long time were my favorite dev for so long. Generally i’ve Appreciated that they’ve tried and I can only think of me3’s Miranda fade to black teleport that annoyed me. the whole optional content argument is odd because so much of these sort of games are optional content. Yeah making games costs money so what. And agree completely regarding the bizarre disparity when it comes to sex vs violence.
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Post by turianlannister on Apr 22, 2020 0:05:04 GMT
I'd rather see all romances treated equally than having different animations for male and female, for example it's obvious more resources were used for Jaal, PeeBee and Cora's romances, I feel the MEA romances should all have had equal resources devoted to them
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 25, 2020 19:04:06 GMT
The one thing that I would have liked is having a scene with femshep giving Sam a hug, if in a romance, after Horizon. Her parents are likely dead. If anyone needed a hug, she did. I would rather see a fade-to-black leaving the player imagining what happened. Personally I despise cheap nasty fade to black route. Player shouldn’t be left to imagine the Sexual side of romances. Agreed.
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Post by Polka Dot on Apr 27, 2020 23:08:37 GMT
the whole optional content argument is odd because so much of these sort of games are optional content. Sex scenes are not merely optional - they're also exclusive. N7 (and some other) missions are optional, but they're available to everyone who plays the game. LIs are gated and must be locked in and exclusive for the sex scene to occur. What does that have to do with any of the arguments (or preferences) stated here? The games under discussion feature combat - and therefore violence - as primary gameplay.
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