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Post by burningcherry on Mar 20, 2020 22:03:14 GMT
Karpyshyn said something like that: "Then we thought, let's take it to the next level. Maybe the Reapers are looking at a way to stop this. Maybe there's an inevitable descent into the opposite of the Big Bang (the Big Crunch) and the Reapers realise that the only way they can stop it is by using biotics, but since they can't use biotics they have to keep rebuilding society - as they try and find the perfect group to use biotics for this purpose. The Asari were close but they weren't quite right, the Protheans were close as well.", then established that the limits of human biotics are very far from what was already reached and that the Reapers are highly interested in it. So the supreme biotic race is humans. Good quote. But Humans in lore despite potential, are still behind Asari. If you talk outcome not potential, yes. Not sure what OP meant and I might be debating something different. When Samara is saying something like "Each encounter gives her strength. It's like a drug; the more she does it, the more she needs it"? That it's like a drug. Funny that you shifted your position from "visibly" to "audibly". You assume they'd sound more strained at the same level of fatigue while Jack is always louder and more expressive than Samara. Now I watched it again, I can bet my money that they use the same animation and there would be no difference if I swapped their models in files. Your argument was "Jacks mentions that she was strained while Samara did not mention it" and it only works assuming that if Samara was indeed strained, she'd surely tell this to Shepard – and this assumption is false because she had tons of other reasons, among them that you don't touch the topic with her as close as with Jack. If that's what you mean then right. Disproving by citing something completely contradictory. "Peaking at abnormal levels" means that she is in a way special. The argument from example in your original post, that non-asari can be powerful biotics. Which is true but one of the examples is invalid: you're bringing something written without checking its consistency with basic lore (Miranda as a biotic) and want it to be a serious example.
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Post by Serza on Mar 21, 2020 9:18:53 GMT
1. Cora. It's true Cora receives Asari Commando training and is a pretty good biotic for a human. But she clearly mentions that she was not the strongest biotic in her squad. She also does not have the full commando training that an average Asari has, being trained only as an exchange. So really, Cora at best is an average Asari Commando in terms of biotical tactics and skills. In terms of raw potential, she is just a normal human (unlike Jack). She can use her biotics to shield the crew, but so could other Asari. This is also Andromeda's writers' fault. They don't take the time to really differentiate Cora's abilities from other Asari, and they actually try to just make her out to be an Asari Commando without really explaining how that fits into their overall lore and how Cora compares to an actual Asari Commando. Andromeda writers also don't bother to emphasize the differences between Asari, Angara, and Cora's abilities in the game, so yeah.
If you actually got to know the character, you would know a good amount of that is actually explained in the game.
Furthermore, Initiation does a great job so far (I'm about 8 chapters in) of alleviating what's left of your concerns.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 21, 2020 15:10:02 GMT
1. Cora. It's true Cora receives Asari Commando training and is a pretty good biotic for a human. But she clearly mentions that she was not the strongest biotic in her squad. She also does not have the full commando training that an average Asari has, being trained only as an exchange. So really, Cora at best is an average Asari Commando in terms of biotical tactics and skills. In terms of raw potential, she is just a normal human (unlike Jack). She can use her biotics to shield the crew, but so could other Asari. This is also Andromeda's writers' fault. They don't take the time to really differentiate Cora's abilities from other Asari, and they actually try to just make her out to be an Asari Commando without really explaining how that fits into their overall lore and how Cora compares to an actual Asari Commando. Andromeda writers also don't bother to emphasize the differences between Asari, Angara, and Cora's abilities in the game, so yeah.
If you actually got to know the character, you would know a good amount of that is actually explained in the game.
Furthermore, Initiation does a great job so far (I'm about 8 chapters in) of alleviating what's left of your concerns.
They do explain a lot of the angara's abilities in MEA if you played the game and talked to the angaran doctors on Aya and Voeld, the Moshaee when she's on the ship or on Aya, or with Jaal in-between missions on the ship. Right now the angara don't have biotic powers their powers come bio-electric which they gain from solar light this prevents them from getting sick (or "going dark" as they call it when they don't get enough sunlight) they can use it to help regenerate light wounds, as a signal flare, or as a weapon of sort. So yeah the writers of MEA did an excellent job of explaining the abilities of the angara and the difference between them and the asari, and it's not their fault that you either didn't play the game or talk to the characters I mentioned or you just didn't pay attention or some combo. The info is in the game you have to talk to more than just Jaal to get it. Which is a lot better and more realistic than the one person who knows everything about their culture, society, history, government, and etc being on the ship and you can talk to them about it. Also a lot of the dialogue is technobabble but it's a lot better delivered than Tali's boring as fuck monologues about the geth and the quarian culture in ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2020 15:15:55 GMT
Furthermore, Initiation does a great job so far (I'm about 8 chapters in) of alleviating what's left of your concerns. Is it a good read? I've been so disappointed with BW abandoning MEA (particularly the quarian DLC we never got) that I haven't been compelled to read anything other than Uprising.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2020 15:23:35 GMT
Strongest biotic? I'm going to ignore asari because it's not a fair comparison. I'll stick with the humans. If Shep is a biotic it's Shep. Otherwise my order is: Jack, Kaidan, Miranda and Jacob. Isn't Kaidan considered to be exceptional given that his implant is older than what Jack and Miranda are using? In any case, I did one run on Pinnacle Station where Kaidan was the only one who made it through with me.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 23, 2020 22:16:07 GMT
Furthermore, Initiation does a great job so far (I'm about 8 chapters in) of alleviating what's left of your concerns. Is it a good read? I've been so disappointed with BW abandoning MEA (particularly the quarian DLC we never got) that I haven't been compelled to read anything other than Uprising. I liked it. It is worth a read.
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Post by Serza on Mar 23, 2020 23:03:00 GMT
Furthermore, Initiation does a great job so far (I'm about 8 chapters in) of alleviating what's left of your concerns. Is it a good read? I've been so disappointed with BW abandoning MEA (particularly the quarian DLC we never got) that I haven't been compelled to read anything other than Uprising.
It is quite nice. I can't speak for the fine quality of the English version (I waited two years for the translation, like a fool) but I very very much enjoyed the translated book. The story is good, it adds quite a lot to Andromeda, and it really makes you think about just how complex everything is.
Also very good impression on how biotics work from first hand.
It also explains the whole situation around how Cora never could have become the Pathfinder. She gets her own iteration of SAM, and the book explains somewhat what happened on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 0:28:43 GMT
I liked all three books … the Quarian book was my favorite (if short) story, followed by Sloane's, but Cora's was quite good too. For both Cora and Sloane, the books significantly fleshed out the characters … I assume that will be true for the Quarian ark characters (those that survive) if the next installment includes the continuation of the Quarian story.
I liked these better than the Anderson stories in the MET. For me, the Anderson timeline was too distant to the kickoff of the MET. Great background, not bad stories, just too far in the past.
But the MEA books provided nice near-term backstory for the game. For me, similar to the DA books … which I read only recently and would have enjoyed even more if I'd read them synced up with the games.
Along that line, while I have not purchased it yet, expect to read the DA short stories before the release of DA4.
And now, back on topic …
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