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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 18, 2020 17:54:47 GMT
is getting to make Erimond tranquil at the end of the Here Lies the Abyss quest, when you judge him.
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Post by Sokemis on Apr 18, 2020 18:14:31 GMT
I don't remember choosing Tranquility as an option before, but I am sooooo tempted to with him.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 18, 2020 18:21:07 GMT
I don't remember choosing Tranquility as an option before, but I am sooooo tempted to with him. It's satisfying as hell to watch what pronouncing that sentence does to him. (And I say that as someone who usually agrees that Tranquility should not be used as a punishment. I think it's wrong even in this extreme case... but it really doesn't feel that way.)
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Post by Sokemis on Apr 18, 2020 19:26:01 GMT
It's satisfying as hell to watch what pronouncing that sentence does to him. (And I say that as someone who usually agrees that Tranquility should not be used as a punishment. I think it's wrong even in this extreme case... but it really doesn't feel that way.) I would love to have the option to make it seem like you're sentencing him to Tranquility, wait for him to shit his pants, then say "however, since I don't believe in the Rite, I'll just take your head instead". |
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Post by Buckeldemon on Apr 18, 2020 19:47:56 GMT
Ah yes, Mr. Tool. I resigned myself to the fact that there might not be something like an "adequate punishment" concerning this guy, at least if I'm running a mage who is not supposed to be an asshole or hypocrite. Some of my PC's considered that thinking too hard about him just gives him too much credit, besides wasting time. So it is "Come on, Bors. Chop his head off."
If this would be DAO though, how about putting him in cage and making sure he has no pointy objects around (i.e. no Blood Magic) and then put a Glyph of Neutralization on him. In a pinch, having a bunch of (passive) templars stand around his cage might achieve the same effect.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 18, 2020 21:25:07 GMT
It's satisfying as hell to watch what pronouncing that sentence does to him. (And I say that as someone who usually agrees that Tranquility should not be used as a punishment. I think it's wrong even in this extreme case... but it really doesn't feel that way.) I would love to have the option to make it seem like you're sentencing him to Tranquility, wait for him to shit his pants, then say "however, since I don't believe in the Rite, I'll just take your head instead". I like the way you think.  Ah yes, Mr. Tool. I resigned myself to the fact that there might not be something like an "adequate punishment" concerning this guy, at least if I'm running a mage who is not supposed to be an asshole or hypocrite. Some of my PC's considered that thinking too hard about him just gives him too much credit, besides wasting time. So it is "Come on, Bors. Chop his head off." If this would be DAO though, how about putting him in cage and making sure he has no pointy objects around (i.e. no Blood Magic) and then put a Glyph of Neutralization on him. In a pinch, having a bunch of (passive) templars stand around his cage might achieve the same effect. You do have the option of locking him up, if I remember correctly. But you don't have the option of taking precautions against Erimond escaping, and there's no evidence that any were taken without your input, even though his powers really ought to allow him to do so. (Or at least, he should be capable of getting out of his cell: I'm not sure how far he'd get.) He doesn't try to escape, but there's no discernible reason why he couldn't, so maybe that's not what you're looking for.
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Post by melbella on Apr 18, 2020 23:22:21 GMT
You do have the option of locking him up, if I remember correctly. But you don't have the option of taking precautions against Erimond escaping, and there's no evidence that any were taken without your input, even though his powers really ought to allow him to do so. (Or at least, he should be capable of getting out of his cell: I'm not sure how far he'd get.) He doesn't try to escape, but there's no discernible reason why he couldn't, so maybe that's not what you're looking for. It's interesting that the person who seems most offended (and mouthy about it) by being locked up is Servis. I prefer to put most judgees to work for the Inquisition, but Erimond is too big a risk for that. I've tranquilized him, executed him, and imprisoned him (1 time for each) but I usually turn him over to the Wardens. It is strange he doesn't try to escape but maybe he thinks spying from his cell will actually be helpful in some way.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 19, 2020 0:32:07 GMT
You do have the option of locking him up, if I remember correctly. But you don't have the option of taking precautions against Erimond escaping, and there's no evidence that any were taken without your input, even though his powers really ought to allow him to do so. (Or at least, he should be capable of getting out of his cell: I'm not sure how far he'd get.) He doesn't try to escape, but there's no discernible reason why he couldn't, so maybe that's not what you're looking for. It's interesting that the person who seems most offended (and mouthy about it) by being locked up is Servis. I prefer to put most judgees to work for the Inquisition, but Erimond is too big a risk for that. I've tranquilized him, executed him, and imprisoned him (1 time for each) but I usually turn him over to the Wardens. It is strange he doesn't try to escape but maybe he thinks spying from his cell will actually be helpful in some way. I don't think so. Even if he could somehow spy out useful information from those cells (which I doubt,) he'd need to be able to get that information to Corypheus somehow. Now that I'm thinking about it from the "what's his plan" angle, I think he still thinks the Inquisition's going to lose, and that he figures he'll be rescued without needing to fight his way out of the cells and trek through the snowy wilderness. Either that, or he figures Cory will kill him for his failure even if he escapes, so he's safer inside the cells than out of them. (It's probably the first one, considering his overinflated opinion of himself.) Although either way, that doesn't excuse the Inquisition if those cells really are as easy for a mage to break out of as they look.
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Post by phoray on Apr 19, 2020 1:37:59 GMT
I don't like imprisoning OR tranquility because both situations can be reversed at a later date and I have no interest in that happening for this particular man. So as much as I love seeing him scream about tranquility, death is the only clear choice to remove him from ever harming again.
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Post by melbella on Apr 19, 2020 2:34:41 GMT
I don't think so. Even if he could somehow spy out useful information from those cells (which I doubt,) he'd need to be able to get that information to Corypheus somehow. He mentions something about being able to contact Cory via the Fade, whether he's imprisoned or even dead, which is why neither of those options particularly bother him. That's why tranquility is appealing imo, because it removes that ability. Plus it scares the shit out of him, which is fun to see. 
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 19, 2020 11:04:37 GMT
I don't think so. Even if he could somehow spy out useful information from those cells (which I doubt,) he'd need to be able to get that information to Corypheus somehow. He mentions something about being able to contact Cory via the Fade, whether he's imprisoned or even dead, which is why neither of those options particularly bother him. That's why tranquility is appealing imo, because it removes that ability. Plus it scares the shit out of him, which is fun to see.  Does he? I'd thought communication magic in this setting generally required magic items. Then again, Avernus is able to do something like that to set Warden's Keep in motion. But I'd always assumed that his method required blood magic, which is going to be a challenge in those cells.
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Post by bear on Apr 19, 2020 11:42:57 GMT
He mentions something about being able to contact Cory via the Fade, whether he's imprisoned or even dead, which is why neither of those options particularly bother him. That's why tranquility is appealing imo, because it removes that ability. Plus it scares the shit out of him, which is fun to see. Does he? I'd thought communication magic in this setting generally required magic items. Then again, Avernus is able to do something like that to set Warden's Keep in motion. But I'd always assumed that his method required blood magic, which is going to be a challenge in those cells. I think Solas at one point, on a discussion about blood magic's supposedly evil nature argues that one can simply use one's own blood or the blood of someone willing. So, Erimond can simply scratch himself. As for OP, I always kill the guy as the only one. And I've yet to play anything other than a mage. I just finished what I think was my 6th playthrough.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 19, 2020 12:29:21 GMT
Does he? I'd thought communication magic in this setting generally required magic items. Then again, Avernus is able to do something like that to set Warden's Keep in motion. But I'd always assumed that his method required blood magic, which is going to be a challenge in those cells. I think Solas at one point, on a discussion about blood magic's supposedly evil nature argues that one can simply use one's own blood or the blood of someone willing. So, Erimond can simply scratch himself. Of course. That's been true since Game One. But he'd need to do that without anyone seeing him do it, and hide the wound. Unless the prisoners are kept under ludicrously light security, that's not going to be easy. (Although on the other hand, we aren't shown evidence that they aren't...)
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Post by melbella on Apr 19, 2020 15:08:09 GMT
Does he? I'd thought communication magic in this setting generally required magic items. Well, just because Erimond believes it doesn't mean it's true, but it is why no option but tranquility scares the bejeezus out of him.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 19, 2020 15:53:05 GMT
Does he? I'd thought communication magic in this setting generally required magic items. Well, just because Erimond believes it doesn't mean it's true, but it is why no option but tranquility scares the bejeezus out of him. I don't think there's any hint in the dialogue that espionage is what he's planning, though. Or even that he thinks he can do it. His word choice seems more consistent with the interpretation that he thinks Corypheus can keep him alive in the Fade after death, and will eventually get him out of his cell if he survives. (Although like you said, him believing something doesn't make it true.)
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 22, 2020 11:26:18 GMT
I don't remember choosing Tranquility as an option before, but I am sooooo tempted to with him. A lot of m ymag equizzies do. Mainl ybecause he wants you t okill him after he's been captured so the ythink killing him would b ejustoo eas y~I have a better idea plus Tranquilit ystrips him of his powers so he's no treally a problem after that.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 22, 2020 13:18:52 GMT
Now I regret not doing it with my current Qunari mage. He isn't that much of a goody two shoes, so it was the perfect chance.
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Post by Ieldra on Apr 22, 2020 14:00:30 GMT
I don't like imprisoning OR tranquility because both situations can be reversed at a later date and I have no interest in that happening for this particular man. So as much as I love seeing him scream about tranquility, death is the only clear choice to remove him from ever harming again. I also used the death option with my primary mage, because she doesn't think tranquility should be used as a punishment, and because I want a more permanent solution than imprisonment. As I see it, how he feels about it doesn't matter as much as that the world is well rid of him permanently. And since I think his beliefs are delusional they matter even less.
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Post by mikoto on May 7, 2020 0:01:49 GMT
I always Tranquil him as my mage Inquisitors and execute him on my non-mage Inquisitors. Given he's a mage with that kind of power and those kinds of connections my Inquisitor(s) feel he's too dangerous to simply imprison given she saw him summon Corypheus's dragon back at Adamant. She doesn't know if he could just use the same trick to get the combination of his magic and the dragon to break him out of the dungeons. Now, both me and my mage Inquisitors do feel that in the vast overwhelming majority of cases Tranquility should absolutely not be used as a punishment. Indeed it shouldn't be used at all for any reason though of course there are exceptions to every rule. If a young mage is extremely powerful but absolutely cannon contain his/her power and/or is utterly insane and thus is a danger to him/herself and others then in those extreme circumstances Tranquility might be a solution. Similarly Tranquility being used as a punishment must again be reserved only for the most absolutely extreme cases where the mage is both very powerful, very well trained and has done truly unspeakable crimes. War crimes, mass rape/murder ect. The kind of thing Erimond has done. Guilt must be absolutely beyond doubt and the crimes must be truly terrible. But I do have to admit as the player it is satisfying watching his reaction.  |
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