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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 5:51:47 GMT
Which will be ME: A 2. Doubtful. If a remastered trilogy sells better than MEA, it would prove yet again that the original trilogy has a lot more staying power. Yet no continuing power, so would have no effect on the future of the franchise other than "People still like Mass Effect" which they already know.
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Post by redeem on Jun 26, 2020 5:55:55 GMT
Doubtful. If a remastered trilogy sells better than MEA, it would prove yet again that the original trilogy has a lot more staying power. Yet no continuing power, so would have no effect on the future of the franchise other than "People still like Mass Effect" which they already know. At best it would give some leverage to the crowd who want another Shepard game. My point was that MET > MEA in terms of setting so they would have a lot more incentive to try and make a sequel to the trilogy work rather than shoehorning in a sequel to MEA.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 6:16:46 GMT
Yet no continuing power, so would have no effect on the future of the franchise other than "People still like Mass Effect" which they already know. At best it would give some leverage to the crowd who want another Shepard game. My point was that MET > MEA in terms of setting so they would have a lot more incentive to try and make a sequel to the trilogy work rather than shoehorning in a sequel to MEA. How? Shepard will be just as dead at the end of the remaster as they were in the original. You're comparing a trilogy to a single game, so of course there's more story. For individual games by themselves, I'd say MEA is the best of the four.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 26, 2020 11:11:15 GMT
Which will be ME: A 2. Doubtful. If a remastered trilogy sells better than MEA, it would prove yet again that the original trilogy has a lot more staying power. It’s hard to compete with the value on its face: 3 whole games, presumably including its library of expansion content, for what would likely be roughly the equivalent of a single new game’s full retail. Heck, for sake of being a step closer to leaving my PS3 behind completely, I’d probably drop some change for it too. However, I can also see it reopening some proverbial wounds inflicted by the more notorious parts. I’m not too clear as to what extent the games can be updated and still be classified as a remaster, but playing through this trilogy again, it’s already gone past starting to show its age and limitations in various systems (like dialogue and the sometimes constraining paragon/renegade system), certain writing choices, etc.. I’m not so sure the game would retain that special something it had in its heyday.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 26, 2020 11:47:27 GMT
For individual games by themselves, I'd say MEA is the best of the four. Really? The game has a character led by a voice that can't tell it to shutup. The main character puts safety and security of the ship and crew on the bottom of the priority list. Squadmates doing stupid crap only receive the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. The character lacks a backbone. The main character has the I don't care attitude. The game has one of the worst fights in gaming history involving two children, I mean krogan. I will admit the game is great for completing speedruns.
For me, if each game is going to be judged individually, I would go with ME2 as the best with MEA being last.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 26, 2020 11:49:01 GMT
Yet no continuing power, so would have no effect on the future of the franchise other than "People still like Mass Effect" which they already know. At best it would give some leverage to the crowd who want another Shepard game. My point was that MET > MEA in terms of setting so they would have a lot more incentive to try and make a sequel to the trilogy work rather than shoehorning in a sequel to MEA. It certainly brings the focus back to the milky way, anyway.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 12:18:57 GMT
For individual games by themselves, I'd say MEA is the best of the four. Really? Yes. Followed by ME3 in second, ME1 in third, and ME2 being the worst.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 26, 2020 12:33:39 GMT
Yet no continuing power, so would have no effect on the future of the franchise other than "People still like Mass Effect" which they already know. At best it would give some leverage to the crowd who want another Shepard game. My point was that MET > MEA in terms of setting so they would have a lot more incentive to try and make a sequel to the trilogy work rather than shoehorning in a sequel to MEA. We still don't know for sure if there is going to be a remaster its still pure internet speculation and even the usual suspects haven't jumped onto the bandwagon yet. Even if it does sell it doesn't mean BioWare is going to do anything and the thinking you have been expressing about how it might make them not want to go back to Shepard and/or The Milky Way for they don't want to make any more games with what they have established there. Something to consider as well they have ported and re-released Jade Empire a couple of times over the years. First it was an Xbox exclusive and then has had a couple of different PC releases on different digital providers along with a cellphone release and that hasn't gotten the people that want a return to that franchise any closer to one.
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Post by redeem on Jun 26, 2020 16:58:11 GMT
At best it would give some leverage to the crowd who want another Shepard game. My point was that MET > MEA in terms of setting so they would have a lot more incentive to try and make a sequel to the trilogy work rather than shoehorning in a sequel to MEA. How? Shepard will be just as dead at the end of the remaster as they were in the original. You're comparing a trilogy to a single game, so of course there's more story. For individual games by themselves, I'd say MEA is the best of the four. It's really not that hard to make a write around. Canonized destroy ending with the high EMS ending. And nah, MEA is middle of the pack at best. ME2 as a standalone has the most replayability. ME3 has the best MP by far.
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Post by redeem on Jun 26, 2020 17:01:25 GMT
For individual games by themselves, I'd say MEA is the best of the four. Really? The game has a character led by a voice that can't tell it to shutup. The main character puts safety and security of the ship and crew on the bottom of the priority list. Squadmates doing stupid crap only receive the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. The character lacks a backbone. The main character has the I don't care attitude. The game has one of the worst fights in gaming history involving two children, I mean krogan. I will admit the game is great for completing speedruns.
For me, if each game is going to be judged individually, I would go with ME2 as the best with MEA being last.
ME2 > ME3 > ME1 > MEA ME2 has the most replayability as the massive cast allows for different variables and it has some of the best character writing in the series. ME3 I give a lot of slack but it's MP stood the test of time and still had by far the most emotional arcs in the trilogy. ME1 is not far behind. MEA wasn't horrendous after rewatching it, but it does not hold a candle to the OT replayability.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 26, 2020 17:40:22 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting.
It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.
Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 26, 2020 18:39:31 GMT
I have nothing against having another game taking place in Andromeda. It's near the bottom of my list to have happen. What is at the bottom of the list is having Ryder return.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 19:16:54 GMT
Yes. Followed by ME3 in second, ME1 in third, and ME2 being the worst. Funny, my appraisal of the series has been exactly the opposite.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 26, 2020 19:27:53 GMT
Yes. Followed by ME3 in second, ME1 in third, and ME2 being the worst. Funny, my appraisal of the series has been exactly the opposite. Yes, very funny.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 26, 2020 19:41:21 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. Because the story was boring and full of plot conveniences that were noticeable even by Mass Effect standards. Even at their worst the OT at least maintained the fiction that you were part of a living universe. Were as Andromeda everything was build around you. Literally everything was a complete and total failure on ever level just so you can swoop in and correct it. So much so that people can't even wipe their own ass without explicit help from you.
They were given a blank slate to work with and they gave us that. Something that doesn't have 1/10th the character or originality of Mass Effect 1. I don't have a lot of faith they would do any better with MEA 2 because they already handicapped themselves with the first game.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 26, 2020 20:12:06 GMT
And just in case there was any lingering doubt about this Reddit rumor... Shinobi602 @shinobi602Fake as all hell lol.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 26, 2020 20:29:58 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. Because the story was boring and full of plot conveniences that were noticeable even by Mass Effect standards. Even at their worst the OT at least maintained the fiction that you were part of a living universe. Were as Andromeda everything was build around you. Literally everything was a complete and total failure on ever level just so you can swoop in and correct it. So much so that people can't even wipe their own ass without explicit help from you.
They were given a blank slate to work with and they gave us that. Something that doesn't have 1/10th the character or originality of Mass Effect 1. I don't have a lot of faith they would do any better with MEA 2 because they already handicapped themselves with the first game.
The setting, son. The setting.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 26, 2020 21:30:52 GMT
Because the story was boring and full of plot conveniences that were noticeable even by Mass Effect standards. Even at their worst the OT at least maintained the fiction that you were part of a living universe. Were as Andromeda everything was build around you. Literally everything was a complete and total failure on ever level just so you can swoop in and correct it. So much so that people can't even wipe their own ass without explicit help from you.
They were given a blank slate to work with and they gave us that. Something that doesn't have 1/10th the character or originality of Mass Effect 1. I don't have a lot of faith they would do any better with MEA 2 because they already handicapped themselves with the first game.
The setting, son. The setting. Unless you render the first game non cannon then the settings are constrained by the unimaginative and boring settings they build already. The fantasy settings can be anything but you can't turn Two Towers into the Witcher after already setting up the world in Fellowship Of the Ring
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 21:40:54 GMT
The setting, son. The setting. Unless you render the first game non cannon then the settings are constrained by the unimaginative and boring settings they build already. The fantasy settings can be anything but you can't turn Two Towers into the Witcher after already setting up the world in Fellowship Of the Ring No, it's not. MEA takes place in only one star cluster in the Andromeda galaxy, leaving 99.99999999999% of the galaxy just as fresh as if you uncanonized MEA.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 26, 2020 22:09:25 GMT
Unless you render the first game non cannon then the settings are constrained by the unimaginative and boring settings they build already. The fantasy settings can be anything but you can't turn Two Towers into the Witcher after already setting up the world in Fellowship Of the Ring No, it's not. MEA takes place in only one star cluster in the Andromeda galaxy, leaving 99.99999999999% of the galaxy just as fresh as if you uncanonized MEA. The Kett are already established to have a wide spread Empire. The Forerunner...I mean Renmants are already established to exist and have created a lot more magic tech, What ever they fled from has always been established to be such a threat it caused people who are literally on par with Reapers in terms of tech to run away. And the Initiative can't have weapons or combat ships because they are about exploration and thus can't even arm themselves for self defense. I can't wait for them to find a way for another fleet of shuttle craft to be able to take on large Kett battle ships again.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 27, 2020 1:25:07 GMT
And just in case there was any lingering doubt about this Reddit rumor... Shinobi602 @shinobi602Fake as all hell lol. Has there been any other reliable sources confirming it exists though? Is he saying the Remaster itself it's fake or just the details are fake?
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 27, 2020 1:27:28 GMT
And just in case there was any lingering doubt about this Reddit rumor... Shinobi602 @shinobi602Fake as all hell lol. Has there been any other reliable sources confirming it exists though? Is he saying the Remaster itself it's fake or just the details are fake? Just that Reddit remake rumor being fake.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 1:39:37 GMT
And just in case there was any lingering doubt about this Reddit rumor... Shinobi602 @shinobi602Fake as all hell lol. Has there been any other reliable sources confirming it exists though? Is he saying the Remaster itself it's fake or just the details are fake? Depends on your definition of credible. There have been plenty of places that are quoting reports that there is one being made, but I haven't seen one that I would put beyond still being a rumor that its being made. I think the first report was from VentureBeat and one or two more places since they have made similar claims. Here is the exact quote about it from VentureBeat that got everyone so excited. I think another place has been quoted as "trusted insiders" as well, but basically I think it was the same thing. I still have a hard time believing it, but there is always the chance for places like to try things to make money. I just don't see a remaster of Mass Effect happening for to me it lacks the reasons to have one unlike games like Command and Conquer Remake. The other thing that gives me pause from thinking this is nothing more then a rumor is that EA has a history of at least confirming the existence of projects after they have been reported upon. A recent example would be Star Wars: Squadron where I get the impression they were planning on revealing it at EA Play because they just showed off the same trailer they revealed a few days before.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2020 1:40:08 GMT
No, it's not. MEA takes place in only one star cluster in the Andromeda galaxy, leaving 99.99999999999% of the galaxy just as fresh as if you uncanonized MEA. The Kett are already established to have a wide spread Empire. The Forerunner...I mean Renmants are already established to exist and have created a lot more magic tech, What ever they fled from has always been established to be such a threat it caused people who are literally on par with Reapers in terms of tech to run away. And the Initiative can't have weapons or combat ships because they are about exploration and thus can't even arm themselves for self defense. I can't wait for them to find a way for another fleet of shuttle craft to be able to take on large Kett battle ships again. It’s unclear how widespread the Kett empire really is. Judging by the lack of mass relays and the relative advancement of their technology, it’s doubtful they would have enjoyed even half of the success of the protheans in terms of dominance. As for weapons, obviously the arsenal would only grow. Once manufacturing plants are built, more weapons and armed vehicles and vessels would follow. Even if they stick with that exploration objective, they’d just end up like the Federation. It’s an impossibility that the Initiative wouldn’t evolve into a major military power if allowed to expand.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 27, 2020 9:10:34 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. Because the milky way is better.
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