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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 27, 2020 9:15:19 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. Because the milky way is better. Why?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 27, 2020 11:50:05 GMT
The Kett are already established to have a wide spread Empire. The Forerunner...I mean Renmants are already established to exist and have created a lot more magic tech, What ever they fled from has always been established to be such a threat it caused people who are literally on par with Reapers in terms of tech to run away. And the Initiative can't have weapons or combat ships because they are about exploration and thus can't even arm themselves for self defense. I can't wait for them to find a way for another fleet of shuttle craft to be able to take on large Kett battle ships again. It’s unclear how widespread the Kett empire really is. Judging by the lack of mass relays and the relative advancement of their technology, it’s doubtful they would have enjoyed even half of the success of the protheans in terms of dominance. As for weapons, obviously the arsenal would only grow. Once manufacturing plants are built, more weapons and armed vehicles and vessels would follow. Even if they stick with that exploration objective, they’d just end up like the Federation. It’s an impossibility that the Initiative wouldn’t evolve into a major military power if allowed to expand. Unless during those thousands of cycles were every 50,000 years life was reset by the Reapers the Kett grew and expanded. Allowing them to take over large portions of the Andromeda Galaxy. Having the Kett only active for the same length of time the Asari were in the Milky Way (2 or 3 thousands years give or take) is stupid given Andromeda has has literally billions of years for evolution and development of life. So unless the Reapers were going between Andromeda and the Milky Way to harvest all life the Kett and countless other races would have developed and spread in that time frame. Given the Milky Way had advanced interstellar races before even the Dinosaurs walked on Earth.
And There is even a codex entry that talks about how vast the homeland of the Kett Empire is. How it covers many many star systems with many slave races under Kett control.
And this is the problem with Andromeda over the OT. It isn't organic and everything feels specifically constructed just so the Initiative can play the underdog. OT everyone is about the same tech level because they reverse engineer technology from Prothean artifacts and have a standing rule to share all new discoveries because of the potential advantage a single race can have if they horded it. Andromeda everyone has the same level of technology because reasons.
The Reapers methodically harvest all races of sufficient technological advancements sparing the younger races and leaving planets in a state that they can regenerate new life. The Remnant build massive terraforming machines without any sort of back up system so they go hay wire and render planets uninhabitable for no reason other then to have the Initiative fail at first so Ryder can ride in and be a hero.
OT we learn the Protheans helped guide and modify early Asari because they viewed them as potential future joiners of their Empire and later as the successors against the Reapers. Not to be out done the Jadaar one upped that by creating the Angara from the ground up like it is some dick measuring contest.
OT the galaxy is a big dangerous place and there have been several wide scale wars costing billions of lives for poking around places without exploring them first so literally every race has fleets of armed war ships to protect their colonies and for exploration in case they come into contact with a hostile alien force. Andromeda is lol lets jump millions of light years and hundreds of years away from any support armed with only some small arms and a few shuttle craft for defense. Clearly the mountain of history and billions of corpses don't mean anything. OH NO there are hostile aliens who don't like us and would have easily wiped us from existence 0.356 seconds after showing up if their leader didn't give a shit about us for plot related reasons. How could anyone have known that there are other races out there that are hostile and might attack you for showing up in locations you don't know anything about?
OT fans complain about how silly it is the Cerberus magically gains all these tech advantages. Cue Ryder senior building a super powerful EDI level AI with spare parts in his garage while EDI at least needed Reaper tech. Cue the Kett being mostly biologically focused in tech development with other technology seeming to be more imitative than innovative. Cue the Archon being able to magically understand everything about AI and the connections despite there being no sign of VI or AI equivalent in any Kett tech. Because plot demands the Kett magically learn and master this technology.
Andromeda did have potential. But that potential has been knee capped by the first game that doubled down on the worst aspects of the OT with only a few of the peaks of the OT.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2020 14:36:29 GMT
I double dog dare Bioware to release a Ryder returning ME:A2.
It will be hilarious.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 27, 2020 14:52:41 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. Because the milky way is better. But we can't go back there. It's too difficult to account for the changes each magnificent ending of ME3 brings up, so we should try something NEW !
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 27, 2020 15:04:44 GMT
Because the milky way is better. But we can't go back there. It's too difficult to account for the changes each magnificent ending of ME3 brings up, so we should try something NEW ! Can't? Or won't?
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 27, 2020 15:25:51 GMT
It doesn't matter. It's too much time and too much money invested for the writers to come up with a setting that cancels out something that should be left alone. I'm not discounting the possibility that one day we might come back to the Milky Way but right now we should advocate for new things... ... like criminals !
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2020 15:33:43 GMT
I'm not discounting the possibility that one day we might come back to the Milky Way Let me guess, a thousand years after ME3, through the Andromeda initiative?
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 27, 2020 15:54:54 GMT
It doesn't matter. It's too much time and too much money invested for the writers to come up with a setting that cancels out something that should be left alone. I'm not discounting the possibility that one day we might come back to the Milky Way but right now we should advocate for new things... ... like criminals ! See that's exactly my argument for bringing back the milky way. It seems like such a waste to craft a setting like the Mass Effect milky way galaxy, with all it's character and intricacies, just to throw it away for the far more shallow Andromeda galaxy. There's more than enough scope to do new things in the Milky Way.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:54 GMT
But we can't go back there. It's too difficult to account for the changes each magnificent ending of ME3 brings up, so we should try something NEW !Can't? Or won't? Depends on your point of view like everything else. I don't think BioWare is wanting to go spend a year or so to develop all the new lore that will be needed for going back to The Milky Way and if they did do you think people will complain then about how the game is taking too long to be released? I think that time could be better spent with the development of the game and not just going back and trying to make The Milky Way work and then probably wind up having just as many people complain about The Milky Way as people who wanted to go back. My stance is I want BioWare to make the game they want to and not try to put things into the game just because people ask for them. It has to work and the systems and elements need to work with the story and not try and write a story around the systems and elements.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 16:15:37 GMT
It doesn't matter. It's too much time and too much money invested for the writers to come up with a setting that cancels out something that should be left alone. I'm not discounting the possibility that one day we might come back to the Milky Way but right now we should advocate for new things... ... like criminals ! See that's exactly my argument for bringing back the milky way. It seems like such a waste to craft a setting like the Mass Effect milky way galaxy, with all it's character and intricacies, just to throw it away for the far more shallow Andromeda galaxy. There's more than enough scope to do new things in the Milky Way. That setting is gone now, so they would have to make a new one because of the post-Reapers and even just to canonize endings. The thing about Andromeda is it is pretty easy to head canon it back into the Milky Way. Just instead of using some drive to take you between the galaxies it was designed to take you to the far reaches of The Milky Way and you have the exact same setup and can even have the same problems and issues there. Just now you are in the far reaches of The Milky Way instead of Andromeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2020 16:19:15 GMT
My stance is I want BioWare to make the game they want to and not try to put things into the game just because people ask for them. It has to work and the systems and elements need to work with the story and not try and write a story around the systems and elements. My stance is that there is huge adventure potential in a Shepard survives destroy milky way, with the high EMS filter and have all the surviving crew mates return, that nobody is going to give two shits about the endings, the moment that you get to fight next to Liara and Tali and Garrus again and everyone who complains will shut up and buy it.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 27, 2020 16:30:07 GMT
the moment that you get to fight next to Liara and Tali and Garrus again and everyone who complains will shut up and buy it. The moment I get to see Javik in the game will be the moment I'll be happy I bought the collectors edition. Maybe Bioware will release a Primitive edition. hahahaha
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
My stance is I want BioWare to make the game they want to and not try to put things into the game just because people ask for them. It has to work and the systems and elements need to work with the story and not try and write a story around the systems and elements. My stance is that there is huge adventure potential in a Shepard survives destroy milky way, with the high EMS filter and have all the surviving crew mates return, that nobody is going to give two shits about the endings, the moment that you get to fight next to Liara and Tali and Garrus again and everyone who complains will shut up and buy it. I am pretty sure plenty of people would be annoyed we are stuck with the same companions again that fall into the same categories as before.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2020 16:46:50 GMT
I am pretty sure plenty of people would be annoyed we are stuck with the same companions again that fall into the same categories as before. I am pretty sure that they get to play again with the characters they loved and not gender swapped simulacrums. I'll take Grunt over anyone in Andromeda. I will take Jacob over anyone in Andromeda. I will take Jacob over anyone Bioware introduced since DA2.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 27, 2020 16:50:18 GMT
I am pretty sure plenty of people would be annoyed we are stuck with the same companions again that fall into the same categories as before. Same can be said about the characters in MEA, right?
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 27, 2020 16:51:47 GMT
The respective acts of bringing back the milky way, and making the Andromeda setting interesting will require likely comparative levels of effort. It's a case of which one is worth saving.
The game will take five+ years to make regardless. I'd much rather not wait all that time just to see they made an uninteresting setting interesting.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 17:24:30 GMT
I am pretty sure plenty of people would be annoyed we are stuck with the same companions again that fall into the same categories as before. Same can be said about the characters in MEA, right? Never said they wouldn't, but that is why I am saying I want BioWare to make a game in the direction they want to go. I really don't care about the protagonist, setting, or companions. What I want to see is the fan community claiming they know what will make the game better not giving direction for the game's development.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 27, 2020 17:25:48 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. And there are (roughly) 250 BILLION (that's 250,000,000,000) stars in the Milky Way! How many "completely new stories" could have been told there if they hadn't f*cked the ending so completely?
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2020 17:29:15 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. And there are (roughly) 250 BILLION (that's 250,000,000,000) stars in the Milky Way! How many "completely new stories" could have been told there if they hadn't f*cked the ending so completely? Depends honestly. If they are just going to go Shepard versus The Reapers 2.0 I don't think that would qualify which is why I liked the break between Shepard and a new protagonist and crew.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 27, 2020 17:32:03 GMT
It’s unclear how widespread the Kett empire really is. Judging by the lack of mass relays and the relative advancement of their technology, it’s doubtful they would have enjoyed even half of the success of the protheans in terms of dominance. As for weapons, obviously the arsenal would only grow. Once manufacturing plants are built, more weapons and armed vehicles and vessels would follow. Even if they stick with that exploration objective, they’d just end up like the Federation. It’s an impossibility that the Initiative wouldn’t evolve into a major military power if allowed to expand.
And this is the problem with Andromeda over the OT. It isn't organic and everything feels specifically constructed just so the Initiative can play the underdog. OT everyone is about the same tech level because they reverse engineer technology from Prothean artifacts and have a standing rule to share all new discoveries because of the potential advantage a single race can have if they horded it. Andromeda everyone has the same level of technology because reasons.
The Reapers methodically harvest all races of sufficient technological advancements sparing the younger races and leaving planets in a state that they can regenerate new life. The Remnant build massive terraforming machines without any sort of back up system so they go hay wire and render planets uninhabitable for no reason other then to have the Initiative fail at first so Ryder can ride in and be a hero.
OT we learn the Protheans helped guide and modify early Asari because they viewed them as potential future joiners of their Empire and later as the successors against the Reapers. Not to be out done the Jadaar one upped that by creating the Angara from the ground up like it is some dick measuring contest.
OT the galaxy is a big dangerous place and there have been several wide scale wars costing billions of lives for poking around places without exploring them first so literally every race has fleets of armed war ships to protect their colonies and for exploration in case they come into contact with a hostile alien force. Andromeda is lol lets jump millions of light years and hundreds of years away from any support armed with only some small arms and a few shuttle craft for defense. Clearly the mountain of history and billions of corpses don't mean anything. OH NO there are hostile aliens who don't like us and would have easily wiped us from existence 0.356 seconds after showing up if their leader didn't give a shit about us for plot related reasons. How could anyone have known that there are other races out there that are hostile and might attack you for showing up in locations you don't know anything about?
OT fans complain about how silly it is the Cerberus magically gains all these tech advantages. Cue Ryder senior building a super powerful EDI level AI with spare parts in his garage while EDI at least needed Reaper tech. Cue the Kett being mostly biologically focused in tech development with other technology seeming to be more imitative than innovative. Cue the Archon being able to magically understand everything about AI and the connections despite there being no sign of VI or AI equivalent in any Kett tech. Because plot demands the Kett magically learn and master this technology.
Andromeda did have potential. But that potential has been knee capped by the first game that doubled down on the worst aspects of the OT with only a few of the peaks of the OT.
Ryder wasn't even the hero. SAM was. Ryder's just the meat suit meat to get SAM to where it needs to go. And don't forget the AI magically creating tech that gets them past the Reaper trap without them even knowing it existed. A trap that has worked without fail for a billion years or more. Because...humans are special, I guess? This is an organization so brilliant that it managed to accomplish that, but didn't think to put some guns on their ships because there's no way Andromeda has pirates, hostile races of its own, suspicious nations, or any other hazards where shooting might be necessary. Nope just a few hand-held guns will be fine! All those families on the Arks don't need protecting! Mindoir was a hoax!
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 27, 2020 18:00:37 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. And there are (roughly) 250 BILLION (that's 250,000,000,000) stars in the Milky Way! How many "completely new stories" could have been told there if they hadn't f*cked the ending so completely? That was saddest things about the endings for me. I cared about the Reapers in Mass Effect as much as I care about the white walkers in Game of Thrones - very little. I'm interested in the people, the places and the ideas of the galaxy - not what's trying to destroy them. With this in mind I was a little disappointed by the way the reapers were beaten but I wasn't that sad. What saddened me more is the willingness of Bioware's writer to straight up torch one of the best settings in gaming. What a waste.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 27, 2020 18:04:45 GMT
I don't understand why some people are so allergic to Andromeda as a setting. It's an entirely new galaxy. The possibilities are utterly endless.Even if you thought the game "sucked", you should still see how completely new stories (FAR more expansive than those in the OT) can be told. And there are (roughly) 250 BILLION (that's 250,000,000,000) stars in the Milky Way! How many "completely new stories" could have been told there if they hadn't f*cked the ending so completely? About a quarter of what Andromeda and its roughly 1 Trillion (that’s 1,000,000,000,000) stars can.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 27, 2020 18:18:08 GMT
I'm not discounting the possibility that one day we might come back to the Milky Way Let me guess, a thousand years after ME3, through the Andromeda initiative? Go home sirpetrakus. Your mom is calling.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 27, 2020 18:20:33 GMT
And there are (roughly) 250 BILLION (that's 250,000,000,000) stars in the Milky Way! How many "completely new stories" could have been told there if they hadn't f*cked the ending so completely? About a quarter of what Andromeda and its roughly 1 Trillion (that’s 1,000,000,000,000) stars can.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 27, 2020 18:22:28 GMT
About a quarter of what Andromeda and its roughly 1 Trillion (that’s 1,000,000,000,000) stars can.
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