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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 2, 2020 18:00:11 GMT
Even if they announced it today I doubt we would see it until sometime next year. Yeah I doubt it too. Even if I were interested in getting it I'm not sure I'd be able to afford it anywa ywhat with my nwe PC that I got in April and other games I have my eye on.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 2, 2020 21:19:08 GMT
Even if they announced it today I doubt we would see it until sometime next year. I figure it'll either launch in the fall with the new consoles, or in Feb. around the time of the ME Art Book's release.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 5, 2020 10:12:18 GMT
A rumour has been refloated that the remaster is coming at the end of September. The source is a month-old reddit post.
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Post by cszoltan on Aug 5, 2020 11:23:02 GMT
A rumour has been refloated that the remaster is coming at the end of September. The source is a month-old reddit post.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 5, 2020 14:55:15 GMT
I'm dreading it, to be honest. Just as every new Bioware game release since Inquisition. I'd somehow rather they were in a perpetual state of game development, of a game that never releases. Maybe they should make Mass Effect Citizen. Make something like a billion dollars, but never release a game. Yeah. That'd be nice.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 5, 2020 15:59:20 GMT
I'm dreading it, to be honest. Just as every new Bioware game release since Inquisition. I'd somehow rather they were in a perpetual state of game development, of a game that never releases. Maybe they should make Mass Effect Citizen. Make something like a billion dollars, but never release a game. Yeah. That'd be nice. Mass Effect: The Search for More Money I don't think anything BioWare does is going to please the online audience and can see a remaster even if they are completely clear that they aren't making any changes to the game or what they are doing months ahead won't be labeled a cash grab with Jim Sterling making multiple videos about it being anti-consumer.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 5, 2020 16:22:38 GMT
I don't think anything BioWare does is going to please the online audience They need to earn back some good will. It doesn't matter how they are going to win it, they just have to do it. They can't take any more negative press. The long waits between their releases isn't helping, either and, well, I think we can write Anthem 2.0 achieving anything off, come twenty twenty ... two? Seeing as how the redesign team was just solidified, early concepts would be just getting mock-ups and the entire system redesign that was promised would probably be in a whiteboard plan, rather than already in coding, I think we can write 2021 off, as well. And by then, we're going to have to kiss the leftovers of the Anthem fanbase goodbye. can see a remaster even if they are completely clear that they aren't making any changes to the game or what they are doing months ahead won't be labeled a cash grab with Jim Sterling making multiple videos about it being anti-consumer. I don't see it as anti-consumer. A full rebundle of all the games and DLC with a texture pack and reshade, while no better than the Sleeping Dogs remaster, is at least more consumer friendly than buying all games individually and then their DLC, from the origin store, all at full price, as when they were 10-8 years ago. The problem is that it does nothing to save the franchise. Like, a release of the 9 star wars episodes, with the original theatrical release of the OT, no Lucas special editions, may even sell well. But it doesn't save the franchise, nor does it put Disney in the fanbase's good graces. What would be anti-consumer and very much within EA's power, to withdraw the original games, for the remastered ones, which you won't be able to download anymore, or even play the originals that you have backed up, much like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 remastered, in order to force you to buy the remaster. Even if the remaster plays worse, for whatever reason, because it's just a shoddy port of the original, without any optimization and textures taking up 8GB of RAM at all times and the origin overlay tanking performance and you know what I'm getting at. Which is why I am scared. I am very, very scared.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 5, 2020 16:54:52 GMT
A rumour has been refloated that the remaster is coming at the end of September. The source is a month-old reddit post. Looking at this ... September 29th 2020 is the last Tuesday of Q3 2020. Which means there was some word, at some point, for a ME remaster, slated for Q3 2020, with no specific date. And they just slated it for the last Tuesday, which is a day games usually come out, either that or a Thursday for most games. The fact that there has been no announcement, or corroboration of a more detailed launch, I think this was a place holder. Which means that, if the games are really getting a remaster, I would not expect them before that. I still think and from what I've heard, the trilogy remaster isn't happening, or if it is, it was decided after my spaghetti monster was fired.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2020 17:49:40 GMT
I don't think anything BioWare does is going to please the online audience They need to earn back some good will. It doesn't matter how they are going to win it, they just have to do it. They can't take any more negative press. The long waits between their releases isn't helping, either and, well, I think we can write Anthem 2.0 achieving anything off, come twenty twenty ... two? Seeing as how the redesign team was just solidified, early concepts would be just getting mock-ups and the entire system redesign that was promised would probably be in a whiteboard plan, rather than already in coding, I think we can write 2021 off, as well. And by then, we're going to have to kiss the leftovers of the Anthem fanbase goodbye. can see a remaster even if they are completely clear that they aren't making any changes to the game or what they are doing months ahead won't be labeled a cash grab with Jim Sterling making multiple videos about it being anti-consumer. I don't see it as anti-consumer. A full rebundle of all the games and DLC with a texture pack and reshade, while no better than the Sleeping Dogs remaster, is at least more consumer friendly than buying all games individually and then their DLC, from the origin store, all at full price, as when they were 10-8 years ago. The problem is that it does nothing to save the franchise. Like, a release of the 9 star wars episodes, with the original theatrical release of the OT, no Lucas special editions, may even sell well. But it doesn't save the franchise, nor does it put Disney in the fanbase's good graces. What would be anti-consumer and very much within EA's power, to withdraw the original games, for the remastered ones, which you won't be able to download anymore, or even play the originals that you have backed up, much like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 remastered, in order to force you to buy the remaster. Even if the remaster plays worse, for whatever reason, because it's just a shoddy port of the original, without any optimization and textures taking up 8GB of RAM at all times and the origin overlay tanking performance and you know what I'm getting at. Which is why I am scared. I am very, very scared. I can’t imagine a remaster of ME1 playing worse than the original. If it did, I guess I’d need to keep multiple systems available just in case it snorts the drives like an 80’s businessman.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 5, 2020 20:21:29 GMT
I don't think anything BioWare does is going to please the online audience They need to earn back some good will. It doesn't matter how they are going to win it, they just have to do it. They can't take any more negative press. The long waits between their releases isn't helping, either and, well, I think we can write Anthem 2.0 achieving anything off, come twenty twenty ... two? Seeing as how the redesign team was just solidified, early concepts would be just getting mock-ups and the entire system redesign that was promised would probably be in a whiteboard plan, rather than already in coding, I think we can write 2021 off, as well. And by then, we're going to have to kiss the leftovers of the Anthem fanbase goodbye. can see a remaster even if they are completely clear that they aren't making any changes to the game or what they are doing months ahead won't be labeled a cash grab with Jim Sterling making multiple videos about it being anti-consumer. I don't see it as anti-consumer. A full rebundle of all the games and DLC with a texture pack and reshade, while no better than the Sleeping Dogs remaster, is at least more consumer friendly than buying all games individually and then their DLC, from the origin store, all at full price, as when they were 10-8 years ago. The problem is that it does nothing to save the franchise. Like, a release of the 9 star wars episodes, with the original theatrical release of the OT, no Lucas special editions, may even sell well. But it doesn't save the franchise, nor does it put Disney in the fanbase's good graces. What would be anti-consumer and very much within EA's power, to withdraw the original games, for the remastered ones, which you won't be able to download anymore, or even play the originals that you have backed up, much like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 remastered, in order to force you to buy the remaster. Even if the remaster plays worse, for whatever reason, because it's just a shoddy port of the original, without any optimization and textures taking up 8GB of RAM at all times and the origin overlay tanking performance and you know what I'm getting at. Which is why I am scared. I am very, very scared. I guess I am just a cynic, but I don't think a remaster will cause that much good will for its not going to be what people want to see. There are wishlists all over the internet with "must change or add" lists of what people think must be done for a remaster. So I cannot see a remaster that is being released that doesn't have those things to generate good will. The only thing that I can see that can earn good will is a good game that can be seen as a good game beyond all the nitpicking that will happen for those that are interested in the game itself. Then word of mouth can only help then when people start talking about it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 5, 2020 20:32:24 GMT
They need to earn back some good will. It doesn't matter how they are going to win it, they just have to do it. They can't take any more negative press. The long waits between their releases isn't helping, either and, well, I think we can write Anthem 2.0 achieving anything off, come twenty twenty ... two? Seeing as how the redesign team was just solidified, early concepts would be just getting mock-ups and the entire system redesign that was promised would probably be in a whiteboard plan, rather than already in coding, I think we can write 2021 off, as well. And by then, we're going to have to kiss the leftovers of the Anthem fanbase goodbye. I don't see it as anti-consumer. A full rebundle of all the games and DLC with a texture pack and reshade, while no better than the Sleeping Dogs remaster, is at least more consumer friendly than buying all games individually and then their DLC, from the origin store, all at full price, as when they were 10-8 years ago. The problem is that it does nothing to save the franchise. Like, a release of the 9 star wars episodes, with the original theatrical release of the OT, no Lucas special editions, may even sell well. But it doesn't save the franchise, nor does it put Disney in the fanbase's good graces. What would be anti-consumer and very much within EA's power, to withdraw the original games, for the remastered ones, which you won't be able to download anymore, or even play the originals that you have backed up, much like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 remastered, in order to force you to buy the remaster. Even if the remaster plays worse, for whatever reason, because it's just a shoddy port of the original, without any optimization and textures taking up 8GB of RAM at all times and the origin overlay tanking performance and you know what I'm getting at. Which is why I am scared. I am very, very scared. I guess I am just a cynic, but I don't think a remaster will cause that much good will for its not going to be what people want to see. There are wishlists all over the internet with "must change or add" lists of what people think must be done for a remaster. So I cannot see a remaster that is being released that doesn't have those things to generate good will. The only thing that I can see that can earn good will is a good game that can be seen as a good game beyond all the nitpicking that will happen for those that are interested in the game itself. Then word of mouth can only help then when people start talking about it. tbh that'show I feel too.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 6, 2020 1:19:01 GMT
I guess I am just a cynic, but I don't think a remaster will cause that much good will for its not going to be what people want to see. There are wishlists all over the internet with "must change or add" lists of what people think must be done for a remaster. So I cannot see a remaster that is being released that doesn't have those things to generate good will That is true. The only thing that I can see that can earn good will is a good game that can be seen as a good game beyond all the nitpicking that will happen for those that are interested in the game itself. Then word of mouth can only help then when people start talking about it. I doubt it. Listen, it's been three years now and people are still trying to spin Andromeda as an underrated gem, to no avail. The thing is, with ME3, you lost people. You lost people for good. Spiderman "OMD" style. And you lost a huge number of fans, which even if you tried to undo, some of them will still not come back. You're going to have to work a lot to fix that. A new title, even a good game, will sell about as well as Andromeda. Maybe a little better. Maybe a little worse. "New Game" won't save the franchise. You need to shake things up. You need to do something unprecedented, to manage that, though. And I don't know if Bioware is even aware they need to do that, or how to accomplish that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2020 3:25:14 GMT
If they can’t save the franchise with a new game, then they can’t save the franchise at all.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 6, 2020 3:52:21 GMT
I guess I am just a cynic, but I don't think a remaster will cause that much good will for its not going to be what people want to see. There are wishlists all over the internet with "must change or add" lists of what people think must be done for a remaster. So I cannot see a remaster that is being released that doesn't have those things to generate good will That is true. The only thing that I can see that can earn good will is a good game that can be seen as a good game beyond all the nitpicking that will happen for those that are interested in the game itself. Then word of mouth can only help then when people start talking about it. I doubt it. Listen, it's been three years now and people are still trying to spin Andromeda as an underrated gem, to no avail. The thing is, with ME3, you lost people. You lost people for good. Spiderman "OMD" style. And you lost a huge number of fans, which even if you tried to undo, some of them will still not come back. You're going to have to work a lot to fix that. A new title, even a good game, will sell about as well as Andromeda. Maybe a little better. Maybe a little worse. "New Game" won't save the franchise. You need to shake things up. You need to do something unprecedented, to manage that, though. And I don't know if Bioware is even aware they need to do that, or how to accomplish that. No matter what the approach or gaining people back, I think giving the vocal community what they say they want is the wrong approach and my opinion is what hurt both Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda even more. I also agree that I don't think one game is going to get a lot of people back, but at the same time I don't think its all doom and gloom either. If BioWare can start to improve over time people will come back, probably not all people but a lot of people that were just not enjoying what they were offering.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 6, 2020 8:38:07 GMT
If they can’t save the franchise with a new game, then they can’t save the franchise at all. That seems like a very plausible scenario. No matter what the approach or gaining people back, I think giving the vocal community what they say they want is the wrong approach and my opinion is what hurt both Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda even more. I don't think people got what they wanted. I think people got Bioware's interpretation of what they thought people wanted. I can tell you, I didn't want Andromeda, nor did I want the ME3 we got. Seems to me like a lot of people didn't either. I also agree that I don't think one game is going to get a lot of people back, but at the same time I don't think its all doom and gloom either. If BioWare can start to improve over time people will come back, probably not all people but a lot of people that were just not enjoying what they were offering. Well, first, that implies that Bioware gives people what they want. Even if that is just really, really, really good games. But I doubt we're getting any and I don't think people really care, at this point. Which is why I dread the next game's release.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 6, 2020 12:58:28 GMT
I don't think people got what they wanted. I think people got Bioware's interpretation of what they thought people wanted. I can tell you, I didn't want Andromeda, nor did I want the ME3 we got. Seems to me like a lot of people didn't either. ^THis^
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 6, 2020 13:14:27 GMT
I don't think people got what they wanted. I think people got Bioware's interpretation of what they thought people wanted. I can tell you, I didn't want Andromeda, nor did I want the ME3 we got. Seems to me like a lot of people didn't either. ^THis^ Times that by two
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2020 0:57:05 GMT
If they can’t save the franchise with a new game, then they can’t save the franchise at all. That seems like a very plausible scenario. No matter what the approach or gaining people back, I think giving the vocal community what they say they want is the wrong approach and my opinion is what hurt both Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda even more. I don't think people got what they wanted. I think people got Bioware's interpretation of what they thought people wanted. I can tell you, I didn't want Andromeda, nor did I want the ME3 we got. Seems to me like a lot of people didn't either. I also agree that I don't think one game is going to get a lot of people back, but at the same time I don't think its all doom and gloom either. If BioWare can start to improve over time people will come back, probably not all people but a lot of people that were just not enjoying what they were offering. Well, first, that implies that Bioware gives people what they want. Even if that is just really, really, really good games. But I doubt we're getting any and I don't think people really care, at this point. Which is why I dread the next game's release. First I will admit I don't follow any other developer as closely as BioWare, but it just seems a lot of vocal people want all BioWare games to turn out like Star Citizen where the kitchen sink and everything else has been thrown into the game. Which seems to be a common problem, even Jedi: Fallen Order and Ghost of Tsushima seem to have that problem as well where if you go beyond the wallpaper of the fidelity of the game and look under the hood there is almost nothing original there. No longer games seem to have the "do what we do well and focus on that" its all about throwing all kinds of additional systems and features into the game to try and get more people to buy the game. That is why I make the comments about BioWare giving people what they want and its not that those people don't want a good game, but the features they say should be added harm the development of the game. BioWare does listen and gives them what they say they want at a sacrifice of something else from the game. To me the biggest problem of Mass Effect 3 was all the cameos of the Mass Effect 2 team and how they were implemented. I think the game would have been far better off if BioWare stuck to what I believe was their original choice of only have a few characters return from Mass Effect 2, but decided to give people what they were claiming they wanted to see with all their favorite characters returning to the game. So now they have a bunch of extra characters to find room for in the game and also to find a spot to place them if they happened to die in Mass Effect 2 content isn't lost when given to them. That then causes BioWare developers to create a temporary NPC to fill the role if the squad member died in Mass Effect 2 and making sure the role fits the returning characters too. So that does take time and developers away from other areas of the game to give a result that I doubt many people liked and more then likely had a chain reaction down the entire development schedule. So the people that wanted it weren't happy because they didn't get what they probably envisions and the people that didn't care weren't happy because other areas of Mass Effect 3 could have been negatively impacted. Of course all guesswork on my part, but its just how I see BioWare making changes based on what is posted online can cause and the end result is nobody is happy.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 7, 2020 1:09:34 GMT
That seems like a very plausible scenario. I don't think people got what they wanted. I think people got Bioware's interpretation of what they thought people wanted. I can tell you, I didn't want Andromeda, nor did I want the ME3 we got. Seems to me like a lot of people didn't either. Well, first, that implies that Bioware gives people what they want. Even if that is just really, really, really good games. But I doubt we're getting any and I don't think people really care, at this point. Which is why I dread the next game's release. First I will admit I don't follow any other developer as closely as BioWare, but it just seems a lot of vocal people want all BioWare games to turn out like Star Citizen where the kitchen sink and everything else has been thrown into the game. Which seems to be a common problem, even Jedi: Fallen Order and Ghost of Tsushima seem to have that problem as well where if you go beyond the wallpaper of the fidelity of the game and look under the hood there is almost nothing original there. No longer games seem to have the "do what we do well and focus on that" its all about throwing all kinds of additional systems and features into the game to try and get more people to buy the game. That is why I make the comments about BioWare giving people what they want and its not that those people don't want a good game, but the features they say should be added harm the development of the game. BioWare does listen and gives them what they say they want at a sacrifice of something else from the game. To me the biggest problem of Mass Effect 3 was all the cameos of the Mass Effect 2 team and how they were implemented. I think the game would have been far better off if BioWare stuck to what I believe was their original choice of only have a few characters return from Mass Effect 2, but decided to give people what they were claiming they wanted to see with all their favorite characters returning to the game. So now they have a bunch of extra characters to find room for in the game and also to find a spot to place them if they happened to die in Mass Effect 2 content isn't lost when given to them. That then causes BioWare developers to create a temporary NPC to fill the role if the squad member died in Mass Effect 2 and making sure the role fits the returning characters too. So that does take time and developers away from other areas of the game to give a result that I doubt many people liked and more then likely had a chain reaction down the entire development schedule. So the people that wanted it weren't happy because they didn't get what they probably envisions and the people that didn't care weren't happy because other areas of Mass Effect 3 could have been negatively impacted. Of course all guesswork on my part, but its just how I see BioWare making changes based on what is posted online can cause and the end result is nobody is happy. Then they should have kept most of the ME1 team as the core team mates, then add a few new ones for ME2.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2020 5:48:39 GMT
First I will admit I don't follow any other developer as closely as BioWare, but it just seems a lot of vocal people want all BioWare games to turn out like Star Citizen where the kitchen sink and everything else has been thrown into the game. Which seems to be a common problem, even Jedi: Fallen Order and Ghost of Tsushima seem to have that problem as well where if you go beyond the wallpaper of the fidelity of the game and look under the hood there is almost nothing original there. No longer games seem to have the "do what we do well and focus on that" its all about throwing all kinds of additional systems and features into the game to try and get more people to buy the game. That is why I make the comments about BioWare giving people what they want and its not that those people don't want a good game, but the features they say should be added harm the development of the game. BioWare does listen and gives them what they say they want at a sacrifice of something else from the game. To me the biggest problem of Mass Effect 3 was all the cameos of the Mass Effect 2 team and how they were implemented. I think the game would have been far better off if BioWare stuck to what I believe was their original choice of only have a few characters return from Mass Effect 2, but decided to give people what they were claiming they wanted to see with all their favorite characters returning to the game. So now they have a bunch of extra characters to find room for in the game and also to find a spot to place them if they happened to die in Mass Effect 2 content isn't lost when given to them. That then causes BioWare developers to create a temporary NPC to fill the role if the squad member died in Mass Effect 2 and making sure the role fits the returning characters too. So that does take time and developers away from other areas of the game to give a result that I doubt many people liked and more then likely had a chain reaction down the entire development schedule. So the people that wanted it weren't happy because they didn't get what they probably envisions and the people that didn't care weren't happy because other areas of Mass Effect 3 could have been negatively impacted. Of course all guesswork on my part, but its just how I see BioWare making changes based on what is posted online can cause and the end result is nobody is happy. Then they should have kept most of the ME1 team as the core team mates, then add a few new ones for ME2. How do you know they didn't? As far as I can tell there wasn't any unusual amounts of people leaving between the two games. With ME2 the focus to being more combat oriented to me is a result of the amount of people in the BioWare forums complaining about how bad the gun combat was.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 7, 2020 5:58:11 GMT
First I will admit I don't follow any other developer as closely as BioWare, but it just seems a lot of vocal people want all BioWare games to turn out like Star Citizen where the kitchen sink and everything else has been thrown into the game. Which seems to be a common problem, even Jedi: Fallen Order and Ghost of Tsushima seem to have that problem as well where if you go beyond the wallpaper of the fidelity of the game and look under the hood there is almost nothing original there. No longer games seem to have the "do what we do well and focus on that" its all about throwing all kinds of additional systems and features into the game to try and get more people to buy the game. That is why I make the comments about BioWare giving people what they want and its not that those people don't want a good game, but the features they say should be added harm the development of the game. BioWare does listen and gives them what they say they want at a sacrifice of something else from the game. To me the biggest problem of Mass Effect 3 was all the cameos of the Mass Effect 2 team and how they were implemented. I think the game would have been far better off if BioWare stuck to what I believe was their original choice of only have a few characters return from Mass Effect 2, but decided to give people what they were claiming they wanted to see with all their favorite characters returning to the game. So now they have a bunch of extra characters to find room for in the game and also to find a spot to place them if they happened to die in Mass Effect 2 content isn't lost when given to them. That then causes BioWare developers to create a temporary NPC to fill the role if the squad member died in Mass Effect 2 and making sure the role fits the returning characters too. So that does take time and developers away from other areas of the game to give a result that I doubt many people liked and more then likely had a chain reaction down the entire development schedule. So the people that wanted it weren't happy because they didn't get what they probably envisions and the people that didn't care weren't happy because other areas of Mass Effect 3 could have been negatively impacted. Of course all guesswork on my part, but its just how I see BioWare making changes based on what is posted online can cause and the end result is nobody is happy. Then they should have kept most of the ME1 team as the core team mates, then add a few new ones for ME2. This is why I like Dragon Age’s model. I don’t need to have the same roster dragged about for multiple games to be satisfied.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 7, 2020 11:23:37 GMT
Then they should have kept most of the ME1 team as the core team mates, then add a few new ones for ME2. This is why I like Dragon Age’s model. I don’t need to have the same roster dragged about for multiple games to be satisfied. Aye, don't know how they'll handle the continued team mates of MEA (if it ever is continued), but I'll be seating on the sidelines, not giving a damn.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2020 13:27:18 GMT
Then they should have kept most of the ME1 team as the core team mates, then add a few new ones for ME2. This is why I like Dragon Age’s model. I don’t need to have the same roster dragged about for multiple games to be satisfied. I think they did it well in Mass Effect 2, but you still see people asking with each new game for characters in the Dragon Age games to return. People still pine for the pine board of The Warden who was about as interesting as watching grass grow and BioWare writers have said they will not be having that character return.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 7, 2020 17:25:54 GMT
This is why I like Dragon Age’s model. I don’t need to have the same roster dragged about for multiple games to be satisfied. I think they did it well in Mass Effect 2, but you still see people asking with each new game for characters in the Dragon Age games to return. People still pine for the pine board of The Warden who was about as interesting as watching grass grow and BioWare writers have said they will not be having that character return. I don’t think Mass Effect 2 really did it all that well, and this is due in large part to the fact that most companions didn’t really have any kind of proper story-driven reason for them to join us. Mordin is the only one that’s really relevant, and the others are just a shopping list for accessories. Couple that with the forced alignment with Cerberus and the forced drama between Shepard and the VS, and I was mostly just anticipating for that setup to be over with.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 7, 2020 17:32:26 GMT
I think they did it well in Mass Effect 2, but you still see people asking with each new game for characters in the Dragon Age games to return. People still pine for the pine board of The Warden who was about as interesting as watching grass grow and BioWare writers have said they will not be having that character return. I don’t think Mass Effect 2 really did it all that well, and this is due in large part to the fact that most companions didn’t really have any kind of proper story-driven reason for them to join us. Mordin is the only one that’s really relevant, and the others are just a shopping list for accessories. Couple that with the forced alignment with Cerberus and the forced drama between Shepard and the VS, and I was mostly just anticipating for that setup to be over with. Well, save for Tali and Garrus, they at least had some kind of loyalty to Shep. But yeah, ME2 handled things poorly storywise.
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