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Post by ahglock on May 19, 2020 0:23:13 GMT
I dig this idea, and honestly I think it would fit their current writing style a lot better than what they have done. Quirky characters and snarky comments seems more in place with a ragtag criminal group than it does with a we need to save the galaxy group.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 19, 2020 0:35:54 GMT
I dig this idea, and honestly I think it would fit their current writing style a lot better than what they have done. Quirky characters and snarky comments seems more in place with a ragtag criminal group than it does with a we need to save the galaxy group. It's also fun to play around with characters that work outside of the central institution of the franchise: what are the values of the people outside of the Andromeda Initiative ? What are their goals ? Why are they not aligned with those that want the wellbeing of everyone else ? I always think this is worthy of exploring and quite perfect to see it play out from the perspective of the outlaws.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2020 1:01:32 GMT
I actually dig the misfit ensemble dealing with the underworld format. It grants more narrative freedom for me than being yet another military or military-esque organization that you answer to. It gets kind of tiring to have some insufferable superior in NPC form that we can’t tell to shove off.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 19, 2020 1:54:01 GMT
I actually dig the misfit ensemble dealing with the underworld format. It grants more narrative freedom for me than being yet another military or military-esque organization that you answer to. It gets kind of tiring to have some insufferable superior in NPC form that we can’t tell to shove off. I also love the idea that, as an outlaw, everyone is your enemy. So maybe in another Mass Effect with this concept you don't just face off against other criminals, mercenaries and hired killers, but also against operatives of the Andromeda Initiative. Everyone and everything is against you, the only people you can trust are your friends.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 2:04:59 GMT
I thought of one reason why they'll never do this: almost everyone in their games likes playing the good guys/gals. Just look at the Paragon vs Renegade numbers. So some may like it, but it would do a lot more harm than good to make the protagonist be criminal scum.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2020 2:33:12 GMT
I say playing as a criminal, a gangster, would work. Afterall Shepard did belong to a gang before joining the Alliance, at least the Shepard's that were earthborn. It could be that one more story the guy mentioned to the kid. Maybe good for an alternate universe game.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2020 4:25:12 GMT
I thought of one reason why they'll never do this: almost everyone in their games likes playing the good guys/gals. Just look at the Paragon vs Renegade numbers. So some may like it, but it would do a lot more harm than good to make the protagonist be criminal scum. The thing that’s great about this is you still can be. All this really means is that you’re more of a free agent, but the story can still thrust you into a hero’s quest. You just might have more opportunities to do various things that more goodie goodie characters might not approve of more often.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 4:31:06 GMT
I thought of one reason why they'll never do this: almost everyone in their games likes playing the good guys/gals. Just look at the Paragon vs Renegade numbers. So some may like it, but it would do a lot more harm than good to make the protagonist be criminal scum. The thing that’s great about this is you still can be. All this really means is that you’re more of a free agent, but the story can still thrust you into a hero’s quest. You just might have more opportunities to do various things that more goodie goodie characters might not approve of more often. Except you can’t. According to the OP’s suggestions, you already start as said criminal scum. The most you can do is maybe play a redemption arc, but that alone doesn’t interest many when it’s them playing the character.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2020 6:20:33 GMT
The thing that’s great about this is you still can be. All this really means is that you’re more of a free agent, but the story can still thrust you into a hero’s quest. You just might have more opportunities to do various things that more goodie goodie characters might not approve of more often. Except you can’t. According to the OP’s suggestions, you already start as said criminal scum. The most you can do is maybe play a redemption arc, but that alone doesn’t interest many when it’s them playing the character. Yeah I wouldn’t want to actually start out being a flat out criminal in the sense that our character wants to do bad stuff because of whatever. It does limit the roleplaying potential somewhat, but there’s no real room for arcs when you control the character, since you can choose to do good right on a dime.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 19, 2020 10:05:25 GMT
Meh, I don't mind. Just don't give me space holocaust and genocide again. Stories work fine with much lower stakes.
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Post by wright1978 on May 19, 2020 13:54:00 GMT
Honestly if they return to Andromeda i'd prefer it to after a significant time jump for things to mature. That could provide potential for things to have descended further into lawlessness or dictatorship. then playing a character trying to survive on the fringes with a proper range of options to be criminal, skirting a middle ground or trying to good.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 20, 2020 16:12:22 GMT
Honestly if they return to Andromeda i'd prefer it to after a significant time jump for things to mature. That could provide potential for things to have descended further into lawlessness or dictatorship. then playing a character trying to survive on the fringes with a proper range of options to be criminal, skirting a middle ground or trying to good. Fantastic suggestion. Even an older Ryder could appear as well !
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2020 20:38:26 GMT
Honestly if they return to Andromeda i'd prefer it to after a significant time jump for things to mature. That could provide potential for things to have descended further into lawlessness or dictatorship. then playing a character trying to survive on the fringes with a proper range of options to be criminal, skirting a middle ground or trying to good. Fantastic suggestion. Even an older Ryder could appear as well ! Jesus, I would hope not. This either requires interrupting the game with a second character creator sequence like we had for Hawke in Inquisition, or just forcing the default with an aged effect, either of which can fuck right off.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
Fantastic suggestion. Even an older Ryder could appear as well ! Jesus, I would hope not. This either requires interrupting the game with a second character creator sequence like we had for Hawke in Inquisition, or just forcing the default with an aged effect, either of which can fuck right off. Jesus If the technology improves (and we give BW a break) then the appearence could be loaded from MEA right ? It's still gonna be Frostbite.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2020 0:24:05 GMT
Jesus, I would hope not. This either requires interrupting the game with a second character creator sequence like we had for Hawke in Inquisition, or just forcing the default with an aged effect, either of which can fuck right off. Jesus If the technology improves (and we give BW a break) then the appearence could be loaded from MEA right ? It's still gonna be Frostbite. Bioware doesn’t do save imports anymore, so no it couldn’t.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020 0:53:16 GMT
Jesus If the technology improves (and we give BW a break) then the appearence could be loaded from MEA right ? It's still gonna be Frostbite. Bioware doesn’t do save imports anymore, so no it couldn’t. Really ? They didn't do it for DAI because of the engine issues but from Mass Effect: Andromeda to "Mass Effect: Ravager " it would be Frostbite just as well.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 27, 2020 0:58:08 GMT
As a soldier, they should know better. Also some soldiers are tried for their crimes and are called war criminals. Shepard being dead for 2 years, then comes back to life, thanks to Cerberus, only to learn the clowns calling themselves Alliance failed to make any effort to confirm Shepard is dead, then fail for not making any attempt to find a way to stop the reapers, I would understand Shepard getting hot under the collar. My Shepard has no problem working with Cerberus and to recruit whoever to stop the abductions. Say what you will about whatever crime you say Shepard committed, but if not, how many more lives would have been lost to the collectors? Don't forget to add the species called asari for the crap they did in ME3. How many lives could have been saved if they revealed that artifact earlier? How many lives did Cerberus take vs the number of lives that were lost because the asari didn't speak up? And don't forget that the Alliance sold out humanity to the Council's tyranny.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2020 1:10:17 GMT
Bioware doesn’t do save imports anymore, so no it couldn’t. Really ? They didn't do it for DAI because of the engine issues but from Mass Effect: Andromeda to "Mass Effect: Ravager " it would be Frostbite just as well. They said future games will be doing things like the Dragon Age Keep. For Mass Effect it might be the Mass Effect Archives they set up. They said it makes transferring the choices easier since save imports could glitch it.
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Post by alanc9 on May 27, 2020 1:23:31 GMT
Such as the infamous Conrad Verner import bug, where he always thinks Shepard pulled a gun on him
As for Shepard's appearance, there's no reason a face code couldn't be transferred from one game to the next with a Keep-like tool. I presume any remaster would pick one facegen system and stick with it, because that's easier unless they're really being lazy and not upgrading anything besides textures..
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020 3:47:37 GMT
Such as the infamous Conrad Verner import bug, where he always thinks Shepard pulled a gun on him As for Shepard's appearance, there's no reason a face code couldn't be transferred from one game to the next with a Keep-like tool. I presume any remaster would pick one facegen system and stick with it, because that's easier unless they're really being lazy and not upgrading anything besides textures.. Conrad Verner. A true legend. Well I'm not exactly bothered by the idea of the "Keep" or the "Archives". I think the interface should be perhaps a bit simpler but aside from that I don't exactly mind.
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Post by NotN7 on May 27, 2020 15:54:22 GMT
Such as the infamous Conrad Verner import bug, where he always thinks Shepard pulled a gun on him As for Shepard's appearance, there's no reason a face code couldn't be transferred from one game to the next with a Keep-like tool. I presume any remaster would pick one facegen system and stick with it, because that's easier unless they're really being lazy and not upgrading anything besides textures.. Conrad Verner. A true legend. Well I'm not exactly bothered by the idea of the "Keep" or the "Archives". I think the interface should be perhaps a bit simpler but aside from that I don't exactly mind. Myself I like the Keep and if they do it for mass effect it will make it easier rather than going back and playing the MET over again.
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Post by katamuro on May 27, 2020 20:59:50 GMT
So you want Mass Grand Theft Spaceship Effect?
I don't think it would work. Not as a fresh start. But we kinda got that in ME2 anyway. Technically what Shepard and his crew spent most of the time doing in the game can be ascribed as criminal activity. Murder. theft, murder, hacking with intent of theft, murder again. Breaking and entering. Murder. You have at least three criminals on your ship, Jack who is a convicted criminal absolutely no denial in that, Kasumi who is a thief, Thane is an assasin. Oh an Garrus was a vigilante, so even if he was on a lawless criminal space station what he did was still basically armed insurgency. Justicar Samara might be following the code but the code as we know is also not really law even in Asari space. Outside asari space Justicars are basically murderous vigilantes that stop at nothing. Zaeed is a merc who has most likely taken jobs that are less than legal more often than not. Taking down that turian frigate I imagine was not a very illegal act.
Oh and Miranda and Jacob and the rest of the Cerberus crew are working for a known extremist terrorist organisation. Mordin was a member of STG and we know STG gets their hands dirty.
Pretty much the only people who are not criminals on Shepard's crew are Tali, Grunt and Legion.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 28, 2020 15:11:57 GMT
So you want Mass Grand Theft Spaceship Effect? I don't think it would work. Not as a fresh start. But we kinda got that in ME2 anyway. Technically what Shepard and his crew spent most of the time doing in the game can be ascribed as criminal activity. Murder. theft, murder, hacking with intent of theft, murder again. Breaking and entering. Murder. You have at least three criminals on your ship, Jack who is a convicted criminal absolutely no denial in that, Kasumi who is a thief, Thane is an assasin. Oh an Garrus was a vigilante, so even if he was on a lawless criminal space station what he did was still basically armed insurgency. Justicar Samara might be following the code but the code as we know is also not really law even in Asari space. Outside asari space Justicars are basically murderous vigilantes that stop at nothing. Zaeed is a merc who has most likely taken jobs that are less than legal more often than not. Taking down that turian frigate I imagine was not a very illegal act. Oh and Miranda and Jacob and the rest of the Cerberus crew are working for a known extremist terrorist organisation. Mordin was a member of STG and we know STG gets their hands dirty. Pretty much the only people who are not criminals on Shepard's crew are Tali, Grunt and Legion. It would’ve been hilarious if there were consequences for bringing Legion aboard the Citadel. I’m pretty sure Shepard broke a few laws just doing that.
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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2020 15:55:29 GMT
Pretty much the only people who are not criminals on Shepard's crew are Tali, Grunt and Legion. Could Tali be considered to have committed a crime? If the player chooses to get her loyalty, Shepard, as well as Tali, withhold evidence involving her father.
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Post by katamuro on May 28, 2020 16:46:38 GMT
Pretty much the only people who are not criminals on Shepard's crew are Tali, Grunt and Legion. Could Tali be considered to have committed a crime? If the player chooses to get her loyalty, Shepard, as well as Tali, withhold evidence involving her father. I don't think so. Technically they are not law enforcement in any way so they are not obliged to tell the Admirals anything apart from "we took care of it". And if we take a human law system then considering Tali was the daughter of the culprit I think there is a clause against family members having to incriminate each other. And even then we are talking about proper criminals here, murderers, thieves, assassins. Not someone breaking the speed limit or not saying something that really isn't going to help anyone at that point.
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