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Post by katamuro on May 30, 2020 20:22:58 GMT
The closest I ever gotten in with "criminal" games was Saints Row: The Third and Saints Row IV. In the third one you do play as a crook but it's so bat-shit crazy and downright bonkers and the villains are just more evil crooks, in part 4 it starts out with Jane Austin narrating asking the question were they just they just violent soicpaths or puckish rouges living a life of whimsy and ends with the Saints "decided more fun and less mercy killing." Yes there is a running joke of the Boss getting upset being called a sociopath instead of a puckish rouge, but that game and the Third aren't trying for a dark super serious crime drama it's a parody of games like GTA and part 4 is a wicked satire of open world action RPGs like Skyrim and the Mass Effect Trilogy along with the Call of Duty and the Metal Gear Solid series, and to paraphrase one of my favorite critics on Saints Row IV said: "It's a satire of the entire 7th generation of games about how they their heads up their own asses. Wanting to show the world that video games were grown up and should taken seriously as an art form without actually having to grow up."
I was never that interested in Saints Row but I might check it out. I loved Red Faction Guerilla and they were made by the same company. Rockstar lost me as a customer to their big games a long time ago and I did try playing Mafia 3 but never really got into it. Hitman was not my speed either. I just really don't like playing a criminal. I don't care for it. I do not mind being seen as one while doing what needs to be done for the better good like in Guerilla or Dishonored but I do not care for games where the main gameplay mechanic is being a criminal for the sake of it. I also think that it would simply not work with the way traditional RPG storytelling works in games like Mass Effect. And while I see many people dancing around without saying it but ME4 is going to be an open world game to some extent. There really isn't that much you can do in that kind of setting with a criminal focus without going into GTA/RDR/Mafia territory.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 30, 2020 21:13:19 GMT
Fuck, how about a GTA/Mass Effect hybrid? Our lovable space rogues go off and do nothing good or redeeming beyond highlight the corruption and double-standards of much of the galactic community, and show the vile and bile of the rank and file of everybody, from the downtrodden homeless to the 'paragons' of society and the Council. Shit, make it so that by the end of the game, everyone will go back, play the trilogy, and pick Refuse just to see it all burn. I feel like I'm talking to walls here, I sincerely do not understand why people keep referencing GTA Just imagine a similar gameplay to Mass Effect 3, or perhaps even Andromeda. Now replace the main characters with criminals and outlaws. Where is the GTA part in that ? It's a matter of concept and storytelling people. I could not possibly be clearer than this. I have no idea why you're not understanding why I want a Mass Effect GTA. Fuck gameplay, I just want to be a Space Outlaw that kills people.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 30, 2020 21:17:47 GMT
Already brought it up. Apparently being a part of a group labeled a terrorist organization by the galaxy isn't criminal enough. *blows up entire Batarian system* How about now? I call it a good start. Now, let's get all the other filthy xenos. I will sleep to the sound of my boot stomping on salarian baby eggs, and laugh at the sight of an asari turning green from poison. I don't know what would be funnier, a Quarian dying of asphyxiation or infection from a ruptured suit. Probably both. It's why I love Control. Shepard takes control of the Reapers... and reaps the galaxy, making humans the true masters of the universe that Jesus designed them to be.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020 22:18:30 GMT
his idea can work with any situation, Post Reaper War, Wild West in Andromeda or Con Current to either. Highwayman's organization can work for anyone for the right price with any objective. Wild West in Andromeda for me, thank you kindly
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 30, 2020 22:24:48 GMT
Wild West in Andromeda for me, thank you kindly So basically Firefly. We already got it; it's called Andromeda.
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Post by wright1978 on May 30, 2020 22:28:28 GMT
It's part of the game. And If I understand it correctly then you are proposing to rehash ME3 from their point of view? Or are you proposing a new galaxy wide threat where criminals for some reason are the only ones responding properly? In the end if we take the "original" smuggler turned hero Han Solo then he got involved with things beyond his control and eventually decided to side on the side if light. In Firefly it's the constant theme that these on the surface criminals who do engage in some criminal activity are actually good people who do the right thing practically every time they get the chance. And Farscape is the same. It could work if it was a shorter, less than 30h game. A very focused narrative with properly exploring the characters the way you want it to show their motivations. But it won't work as the new setting of the next big game. Unlike Star Wars where we have Han Solo as the prototype there is simply not enough background sentiment to play as a criminal in ME universe. his idea can work with any situation, Post Reaper War, Wild West in Andromeda or Con Current to either. Highwayman's organization can work for anyone for the right price with any objective. Seems pretty aimless to be honest and exclusionary.
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Post by Phantom on May 30, 2020 22:29:11 GMT
Wild West in Andromeda for me, thank you kindly So basically Firefly. We already got it; it's called Andromeda. Well Instead of Ryder Twins, My understanding of his ideas that His Main Player Character will be an outlaw/criminal leading a team of outlaws/criminals in a different part of Andromeda either con-current or post ME:A Ryder Twins.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 30, 2020 22:36:28 GMT
Well Instead of Ryder Twins, My understanding of his ideas that His Main Player Character will be an outlaw/criminal leading a team of outlaws/criminals in a different part of Andromeda either con-current or post ME:A Ryder Twins We'll still be doing Whedon-esque things with Whedon-esque writing. The Justice League kind of Whedon-esque writing. The worst kind of Whedon-esque writing.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020 22:58:59 GMT
Seems pretty aimless to be honest and exclusionary. It doesn't necessarily have to be the way Phantom describes it (which is a pretty good idea, amoral characters do exist). I'm more on the "Smuggler crew stumbles upon a secret project" type of deal. An impossible situation that forces amoral people to start acting for the benefit of others. It's more in line with Bioware's type of storytelling and still gives us the perspective of the outlaws.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020 22:59:37 GMT
So basically Firefly. We already got it; it's called Andromeda. Go home sirpetrakus. You're drunk.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 30, 2020 23:02:03 GMT
Go home sirpetrakus. You're drunk. I'm home and somber. I've never been so disappointed in my life. Well, that's not true. I saw the ending to ME3.
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Post by Phantom on May 30, 2020 23:12:54 GMT
Seems pretty aimless to be honest and exclusionary. It doesn't necessarily have to be the way Phantom describes it (which is a pretty good idea, amoral characters do exist). I'm more on the "Smuggler crew stumbles upon a secret project" type of deal. An impossible situation that forces amoral people to start acting for the benefit of others. It's more in line with Bioware's type of storytelling and still gives us the perspective of the outlaws. I would love the Concept of The Smuggler Crew Stumbles upon A Secret Project. Keep in mind, I prefer the more Nuance type of anti hero/anti villain character. My Cerberus Phantom Commander concept is best described as a Nuanced Anti Hero/Anti villain and has every reason to be angry at the galaxy.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020 23:36:56 GMT
It doesn't necessarily have to be the way Phantom describes it (which is a pretty good idea, amoral characters do exist). I'm more on the "Smuggler crew stumbles upon a secret project" type of deal. An impossible situation that forces amoral people to start acting for the benefit of others. It's more in line with Bioware's type of storytelling and still gives us the perspective of the outlaws. I would love the Concept of The Smuggler Crew Stumbles upon A Secret Project. Keep in mind, I prefer the more Nuance type of anti hero/anti villain character. My Cerberus Phantom Commander concept is best described as a Nuanced Anti Hero/Anti villain and has every reason to be angry at the galaxy. That sounds like an amazingly intriguing idea as well. Hell, it would be a great thing if we could play villains one day as well !
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Post by Phantom on May 31, 2020 0:15:05 GMT
I would love the Concept of The Smuggler Crew Stumbles upon A Secret Project. Keep in mind, I prefer the more Nuance type of anti hero/anti villain character. My Cerberus Phantom Commander concept is best described as a Nuanced Anti Hero/Anti villain and has every reason to be angry at the galaxy. That sounds like an amazingly intriguing idea as well. Hell, it would be a great thing if we could play villains one day as well ! Well Imagine Cerberus in a war with an organization that is more messed up than they are. How much are you in Cyber Horror
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Post by wright1978 on May 31, 2020 3:22:34 GMT
Seems pretty aimless to be honest and exclusionary. It doesn't necessarily have to be the way Phantom describes it (which is a pretty good idea, amoral characters do exist). I'm more on the "Smuggler crew stumbles upon a secret project" type of deal. An impossible situation that forces amoral people to start acting for the benefit of others. It's more in line with Bioware's type of storytelling and still gives us the perspective of the outlaws. Firefly works because mal is not an amoral character and hence cares. For an amoral I guess it’s possible to have a central project that affects their self interest making them act. general missions seem an issue still. If you have very amoral jobs then are you just locking people who don’t want to be amoral out of that content
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 31, 2020 3:31:02 GMT
Firefly works because mal is not an amoral character and hence cares. For an amoral I guess it’s possible to have a central project that affects their self interest making them act. general missions seem an issue still. If you have very amoral jobs then are you just locking people who don’t want to be amoral out of that content It depends on what the gameplay may allow. A lot of sidequests could be similar to ME2: go in, break the balls out of some mercenary gang and get a bunch of resources out. Simple. Others could probably involve a form of criminal activity: a heist, a smuggle run, perhaps even assassinations (DAO had those).
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Post by wright1978 on May 31, 2020 4:12:49 GMT
Firefly works because mal is not an amoral character and hence cares. For an amoral I guess it’s possible to have a central project that affects their self interest making them act. general missions seem an issue still. If you have very amoral jobs then are you just locking people who don’t want to be amoral out of that content It depends on what the gameplay may allow. A lot of sidequests could be similar to ME2: go in, break the balls out of some mercenary gang and get a bunch of resources out. Simple. Others could probably involve a form of criminal activity: a heist, a smuggle run, perhaps even assassinations (DAO had those). In me2 even kasumis heist etc is tied to the central mission via the notion of building/focusing a team for amoral doing criminal tasks for pay works but writers would be constantly looking for hook as to why a player trying to be moral would.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 31, 2020 13:34:08 GMT
It depends on what the gameplay may allow. A lot of sidequests could be similar to ME2: go in, break the balls out of some mercenary gang and get a bunch of resources out. Simple. Others could probably involve a form of criminal activity: a heist, a smuggle run, perhaps even assassinations (DAO had those). In me2 even kasumis heist etc is tied to the central mission via the notion of building/focusing a team for amoral doing criminal tasks for pay works but writers would be constantly looking for hook as to why a player trying to be moral would. A good point. It would be more prudent to write this crew as smugglers or mercenaries. Neither of those are necessarily committed to amoral tasks but can perfectly well "indulge" in a bit of criminal activity should the player choose to. I think it would deffinitely suck if we were forced to do bad things simply because "We're playing criminals now" And these days it almost seems like you cannot call yourself a respectable RPG if you don't have a heist mission, much as the old ones couldn't call themselves RPG if they didn't have a serial killer quest
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 31, 2020 21:04:58 GMT
Fuck, how about a GTA/Mass Effect hybrid? Our lovable space rogues go off and do nothing good or redeeming beyond highlight the corruption and double-standards of much of the galactic community, and show the vile and bile of the rank and file of everybody, from the downtrodden homeless to the 'paragons' of society and the Council. Shit, make it so that by the end of the game, everyone will go back, play the trilogy, and pick Refuse just to see it all burn. "You are my True Love, Ashley! Now, excuse me for a minute while I run over some hooker to get my money back." It'd go over fantastically. Come to think of it, I'm sure some of the femShep community would love to run over manwhores, but still.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 8, 2020 3:31:48 GMT
Fuck, how about a GTA/Mass Effect hybrid? Our lovable space rogues go off and do nothing good or redeeming beyond highlight the corruption and double-standards of much of the galactic community, and show the vile and bile of the rank and file of everybody, from the downtrodden homeless to the 'paragons' of society and the Council. Shit, make it so that by the end of the game, everyone will go back, play the trilogy, and pick Refuse just to see it all burn. "You are my True Love, Ashley! Now, excuse me for a minute while I run over some hooker to get my money back." It'd go over fantastically. Come to think of it, I'm sure some of the femShep community would love to run over manwhores, but still. It's not worth it unless we can just crash through windows on Illium in a skycar and hit asari.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 8, 2020 3:38:35 GMT
"You are my True Love, Ashley! Now, excuse me for a minute while I run over some hooker to get my money back." It'd go over fantastically. Come to think of it, I'm sure some of the femShep community would love to run over manwhores, but still. It's not worth it unless we can just crash through windows on Illium in a skycar and hit asari. Oh hell yes! And allow us to fly a ship into said building, it's the only way to be sure. 😈👍
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Post by burningcherry on Jun 9, 2020 19:02:39 GMT
*blows up entire Batarian system* How about now? I call it a good start. Now, let's get all the other filthy xenos. I will sleep to the sound of my boot stomping on salarian baby eggs, and laugh at the sight of an asari turning green from poison. I don't know what would be funnier, a Quarian dying of asphyxiation or infection from a ruptured suit. Probably both. It's why I love Control. Shepard takes control of the Reapers... and reaps the galaxy, making humans the true masters of the universe that Jesus designed them to be. Jesus objected to mutinying against the Emperor. No one has enough responsibility to rule but turians come closest.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jun 10, 2020 22:55:11 GMT
I call it a good start. Now, let's get all the other filthy xenos. I will sleep to the sound of my boot stomping on salarian baby eggs, and laugh at the sight of an asari turning green from poison. I don't know what would be funnier, a Quarian dying of asphyxiation or infection from a ruptured suit. Probably both. It's why I love Control. Shepard takes control of the Reapers... and reaps the galaxy, making humans the true masters of the universe that Jesus designed them to be. Jesus objected to mutinying against the Emperor. No one has enough responsibility to rule but turians come closest. Humans do.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 12, 2020 2:22:49 GMT
Jesus objected to mutinying against the Emperor. No one has enough responsibility to rule but turians come closest. Humans do. You mean like this guy ?
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Post by burningcherry on Jun 12, 2020 7:31:13 GMT
Jesus objected to mutinying against the Emperor. No one has enough responsibility to rule but turians come closest. Humans do. >Project Overlord >Alliance not being better
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