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Post by ClarkKent on May 23, 2020 16:47:52 GMT
A big difference between the original trilogy and Andromeda was in the representation of the N7 program. In Andromeda, characters are constantly saying things along the lines of 'You can trust him to get it done - he's an N7' etc This didn't seem too strange until I realised that that the word 'N7' was rarely said in the OT trilogy, if at all. Indeed, you'd think Ashley, being the Alliance gal she is, would fan girl hard over Shepard and his N7 status but she doesn't. Shepard's N7 status is never at all viewed as a defining characteristic of his.
Then you have Andromeda, where the N7s are viewed akin to the Spartans in Halo - basically superheroes.
It's not a huge deal, but it was quite strange, and I wonder whether Bioware will continue this in future games.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 23, 2020 17:19:58 GMT
I think it became a big deal because the devs (and more importantly the marketing team) realized that the symbol and the red striped armor worked very well as an iconic trademark of the ME series.
AFAIK, also, this didn't start with Andromeda but gradually ramped up during the trilogy. By the time ME3 came around, an N7 badge was part of the collectors edition and e.g. James Vega makes a REALLY big deal out of it during his character arc. So much so that he gets a huge N7 tattoo all over his back.
So yea, this is not an Andromeda thing.
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Post by Phantom on May 23, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
N7s are the elite special forces of System Alliances. So They have the training and experience to handling most situation you can think of. Much like Special Forces of the Real world, they regularly train hard on a regular basis in various enviroment and various situations. In short, they are badasses
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Post by NotN7 on May 23, 2020 22:16:17 GMT
Unless I am mistaken the only N7 was old man Ryder so unless they begin an N7 training program N7s at least in Andromeda is dead. if the game were to take us back to the Milky way the way of the N7 will continue.
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Post by skekSil on May 23, 2020 22:24:21 GMT
Kaidan/Ashley didnt need to fanboy/girl over N7 because Shepard just became a Spectre, which is even more elite than N7. In fact they are so into it that go for Spectre position themselves later on. By ME2 Shepard is a legend so being an N7 is barely worth mentioning compared to hear other feats, rest of the crew is also best of the bes. As was said in previous post Vega does bring it up often but that is mostly because is considering enrolling himself and seeks advice from Shepard. On the other hand in MEA most characters are civilians who probably know about N7 from movies similar to Delta Force with Chuck Norris. Understandably that would scew their perception.
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Post by Phantom on May 23, 2020 22:46:20 GMT
Kaidan/Ashley didnt need to fanboy/girl over N7 because Shepard just became a Spectre, which is even more elite than N7. In fact they are so into it that go for Spectre position themselves later on. By ME2 Shepard is a legend so being an N7 is barely worth mentioning compared to hear other feats, rest of the crew is also best of the bes. As was said in previous post Vega does bring it up often but that is mostly because is considering enrolling himself and seeks advice from Shepard. On the other hand in MEA most characters are civilians who probably know about N7 from movies similar to Delta Force with Chuck Norris. Understandably that would scew their perception. True that Spectres are by nature, very elite for they draw from various organizations thru out Citadel space. Yes including ranging from N7 to STG to C-Sec and other organizations that produce high quality individuals like Shepard.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 23, 2020 23:06:20 GMT
But the N7 were never really originally written to be anything special like the STGs - they are just really well trained marines. The corsairs would probably fit that bill more.
You'd think, if the N7s had such a rep, the civilians on Feros for example would have fangirl'd a bit.
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Post by themikefest on May 23, 2020 23:18:03 GMT
It's too bad Bioware didn't have Anderson wearing N7 armor during Priority Earth. I view it as another part of the military that people wanted to advance themselves to a higher level. In ME3, Vega gets a recommendation from an unknown person to be considered to enter the N program. In Andromeda, Harper makes a comment about N7 when she and Ryder, and Kosta were to meet up with Alec. One thing I don't agree is Ryder can wear N7 armor in the game. I would have left it out. The other thing is why is the N7 logo on the opposite side of the chest from what is seen when Shepard is wearing N7 armor? Was there ever an explanation for that.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 23, 2020 23:31:52 GMT
It's too bad Bioware didn't have Anderson wearing N7 armor during Priority Earth. I view it as another part of the military that people wanted to advance themselves to a higher level. In ME3, Vega gets a recommendation from an unknown person to be considered to enter the N program. In Andromeda, Harper makes a comment about N7 when she and Ryder, and Kosta were to meet up with Alec. One thing I don't agree is Ryder can wear N7 armor in the game. I would have left it out. The other thing is why is the N7 logo on the opposite side of the chest from what is seen when Shepard is wearing N7 armor? Was there ever an explanation for that. Yeah wearing the N7 armour seemed weird - like Ryder was dressing up in his dead father's clothes.
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Post by skekSil on May 23, 2020 23:38:28 GMT
One thing I don't agree is Ryder can wear N7 armor in the game. I would have left it out. Ryder gets reprimaded for that by Prodromos mayor
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 24, 2020 1:47:08 GMT
AFAIK, also, this didn't start with Andromeda but gradually ramped up during the trilogy. The fandom/meta hype went up, the importance in game went down. So this person is part of a race-specific/local special ops division. This qualifies them for evaluation and possible inclusion into a galaxy-wide counterpart (a.k.a. Spectres). Alas, both don't have much meaning after ME(1) aynmore.
One thing I don't agree is Ryder can wear N7 armor in the game. I guess it was meant as fanservice, but it obviously failed. I never cared much for, nor used it (or the Hyperguardian), as I'm not a fan of the design in general and we already had these styles for two games. Been there, done that.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 24, 2020 1:47:46 GMT
It's too bad Bioware didn't have Anderson wearing N7 armor during Priority Earth. IIRC Anderson was wearing a dress uniform during the prologue. After that, he was hiding out and staying mobile as head of the resistance. I can definitely see them not having the time or supplies to come up with an N7 armor for him during that time.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 24, 2020 2:43:33 GMT
The N7's couldn't hold a candle to the Kasrkin.
Times that by a billion compared to the Astartes.
Just saying. 😉
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Post by NotN7 on May 24, 2020 3:43:49 GMT
The N7's couldn't hold a candle to the Kasrkin. Times that by a billion compared to the Astartes. Just saying. 😉 Ok? who are the Kasrkin or the Astartes and what do they have to do with Mass effect? and N7 in general?
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 24, 2020 3:50:30 GMT
The N7's couldn't hold a candle to the Kasrkin. Times that by a billion compared to the Astartes. Just saying. 😉 Ok? who are the Kasrkin or the Astartes and what do they have to do with Mass effect? and N7 in general? What is this Mass Effect you speak of? 😛
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020 4:03:46 GMT
Well it was a big deal in ME3 to James Vega. You even had to help him decide if it was worth chasing the rank.
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Post by wright1978 on May 24, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
I always preferred the whole SPECTRE thing.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 25, 2020 1:32:22 GMT
The N7 feels like it's more important in the first 3 Mass Effect novels (which I think states that Anderson is also an N7) and in the Mass Effect: Paragon Lost anime movie where Vega fanboys about Shepard and gets a recommendation to become an N7 at the end. Then this plot point for him carries over into ME3. Shepard's being an N7 is way to justify Shepard becoming the first human Spectre from a military point of view. If Shepard was just a standard military officer what would make her/him special enough to become part of the galaxy's ultra super duper deluxe special forces. If only a select few every get to become a Spectre, Shepard would have to be part of Earth's very best of best soldiers so that is why they had Shepard become an N7.
Alec Ryder was/is an N7 (maybe he was one of the first N7s) and also taught his kids some N7 tricks. And maybe SAM can boost the Ryder twins' ablilities to being pretty much to an N7, but that is pure speculation on my part.
At this point N7 is more of a marketing tool for BioWare than anything else.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 25, 2020 7:45:39 GMT
I guess they find more appeal in N7 than in the whole Spectre thing, and frankly, I’d agree with that. Being a Spectre in the Mass Effect trilogy didn’t really mean anything past the first game. Heck it might be better to tell the Council to shove it than bother accepting their empty gestures. I guess it helps that the N7 logo has a great deal more going for it.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 15:16:47 GMT
I guess they find more appeal in N7 than in the whole Spectre thing, and frankly, I’d agree with that. Being a Spectre in the Mass Effect trilogy didn’t really mean anything past the first game. Heck it might be better to tell the Council to shove it than bother accepting their empty gestures. I guess it helps that the N7 logo has a great deal more going for it. I think the concept should still be explored though. It was the foundation for many decisions you couldn't possibly make in what is supposed to be a progressive and highly advanced society.
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Post by burningcherry on May 25, 2020 17:47:15 GMT
The N7 symbol: – is relatively simple – has no widely known meaning outside its intended context – can be put on everything (I fear exploring how literally) – is associated with people considered great (Shepard, to a lesser extent Alec Ryder) – had a good-sounding name (the names of the N7 classes in ME3MP are its own art) – is related to something exclusive and exemplary – …
Great marketing tool, the Collector's Edition of ME2 already had it on its cover.
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Post by cloud9 on May 27, 2020 8:24:24 GMT
Too bad that BioWare doesn't properly design missions like clandestine and covert operations. Not only that, but to properly have rewards and consequences depending on the mission. BioWare really needs to work on choices and outcomes in their games, and do research on special operations.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 27, 2020 11:44:22 GMT
Too bad that BioWare doesn't ptoperly design missions like clandestine and covert operations. Not only that, but to properly have rewards and consequences depending on the mission. BioWare really needs to work on choices and outcomes in their games, and do research on special operations.
I'd appreciate missions that felt more like covert operations, but Mass Effect's always been a pulp action story, not really trying to do some sort of Rainbow Six level stuff. Frankly though, I'd love to get away from any kind of military affiliation altogether. The Initiative is technically a civilian organization, but our protagonist is still ultimately saddled by some sort of formal hierarchy.
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Post by katamuro on May 27, 2020 20:44:44 GMT
There are two explanations.
In universe and business. Business as the other people say is that N7 was a marketable symbol. We even got an N7 day. Short, simple, easy to remember.
In universe could be several things, from Shepard going from N7 to Spectre, Shepard being a well known figure by accomplishments without the N7 thing, Andromeda being mostly civilian with some ex-Alliance people mixed in. Also psychological angle. People were going to travel for 600 years in suspended animation to another galaxy. They had to pin their hopes on something and usually it is a person rather than the idea. An N7 soldier, supposedly best of the best and in position of authority? Sounds like someone people would follow. It's even in the title. Pathfinder. That was literally Alec Ryder's job description, to lead people.
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Post by cloud9 on May 29, 2020 6:05:14 GMT
Too bad that BioWare doesn't ptoperly design missions like clandestine and covert operations. Not only that, but to properly have rewards and consequences depending on the mission. BioWare really needs to work on choices and outcomes in their games, and do research on special operations.
I'd appreciate missions that felt more like covert operations, but Mass Effect's always been a pulp action story, not really trying to do some sort of Rainbow Six level stuff. Frankly though, I'd love to get away from any kind of military affiliation altogether. The Initiative is technically a civilian organization, but our protagonist is still ultimately saddled by some sort of formal hierarchy.
I understand that, but they still could design missions that is designed to be covert and clandestine, because Shepard is Special Forces. And they should overhaul the Spectres, because having them above the law is asking for trouble. Because there are governments, civilizations, and groups are either enemies of the Council or don't see eye-to-eye with them. If anything, the Spectres can bend the rules to execute clandestine operations. Not being above the law to get things done. If a Spectre ends up killing innocent people, and abusing laws of government, it would be an intergalactic incident and getting governments turning against the Council. And possibly declare war against the Council. Unless, where there's a galactic war that threatens the entire galaxy into extinction level event, only then the Council can grant them to be above the law. So they can do whatever by means necessary to end the war, stopping opposing factions from endangering the welfare of sentient life in the galaxy. Like the Grey Wardens can use their conscription laws to fight against the Darkspawn, regardless of laws of kings, queens, emperors, and the Divine of the Chantry.
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