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Post by Ben Shapiro on Jun 2, 2020 21:58:18 GMT
I see a lot of people complain about armour sets that leave portions of the character's skin exposed, and while it is a no brainer that more coverage equals more protection some people act like as soon as one portion of skin on the character is exposed the armor becomes useless. While it may not offer full protection surely some armor is still going to be better than no armor at all right? Sure it makes sense for a soldier to go into battle wearing full armor but the thing we need to remember is most of the characters that we play in fantasy RPGs are not rank and file soldiers, most of the time our characters are part of a small adventuring party undertaking special missions that require them to travel for long periods of time through dirty swamps and blistering hot deserts, climbing and sneaking through ruins and generally spending long periods of time in the same set of clothing, is it really that far fetched that some adventurers might sacrifice protection for comfort and mobility? Now I have seen the videos of people doing backflips in plate and while I know the joints are designed to still offer a degree of flexibility it still is not the most comfortable thing to wear for long periods of time especially in unforgiving environments, plus in situations where you are trying to avoid detection by the enemy such as sneaking plate armour is a very poor choice. I think when designing armor for adventurers more does need to be taken into consideration than just pure protection, you also have to think about endurance, comfort, the climate and personal style, take Varric for instance staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/images/728/2270384-1502889570.jpgI know a lot of people take issue his style of attire that has a plunging neckline prominently displaying his chest for everyone to see, but what type of character is Varric? He is not a frontline soldier, he is a writer and part time adventurer, whats more he is usually the type of character who would try to avoid combat and get by on his wit and charm, is it really that implausible that his choice of attire would emphasise comfort and style more so than pure protection and practicality? Even if we take something like spartan armor that leaves quite a bit of the skin exposed, while the character may not be as protected as they could be they still have enough armour to deflect blows to vital parts of their anatomy while leaving a little open for the skin to breath and flexibility and movement. qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6cc3d96afef420e58a1a49c4e9f8b281
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Post by colfoley on Jun 3, 2020 1:27:14 GMT
Typically 'armor'...when used to its widest and most general possible definition...has 3 primary objectives:
1. Protection...keeping people from physical harm and having more material then the enemies weapons can penetrate. Plate mail would be logical here...as long as you can still move in it. 2. Identity concealment: Having enough material to ensure others who do not know who you are. 3. Protection, but more of an eye to manueverability...damage avoidance.
Obviously this question then becomes which of the three you would prefer for your own fighter. If you care more for the first two thicker, more encompassing, armor is the rule of the day. But, if you are looking for the last one then sure...you can show a little skin.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 3, 2020 1:36:50 GMT
I dont know man, somehow I dont think Jack's top even qualifies as swimwear *snip* it is ok though, mass effect fields and whatnot, funnily enough though even with the minimal clothing Jack still manages to be one of the least sexy characters in the franchise. She'd still be dead a dozen times over throughout ME2 alone. Mass Effect fields only protect you from fast moving projectiles. Slower things or the elements are not stopped by them. Otherwise they would become inconvenient, like the example in the Codex where trying to sit down would launch the chair across the room. So she, and everyone, need fully sealed armors to survive in ME's universe according to the lore.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 3, 2020 1:42:47 GMT
Again, as soon as you can afford enchanted gear in Dragon Age, it redefines what's "practical".
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Post by colfoley on Jun 3, 2020 1:48:01 GMT
I dont know man, somehow I dont think Jack's top even qualifies as swimwear *snip* it is ok though, mass effect fields and whatnot, funnily enough though even with the minimal clothing Jack still manages to be one of the least sexy characters in the franchise. She'd still be dead a dozen times over throughout ME2 alone. Mass Effect fields only protect you from fast moving projectiles. Slower things or the elements are not stopped by them. Otherwise they would become inconvenient, like the example in the Codex where trying to sit down would launch the chair across the room. So she, and everyone, need fully sealed armors to survive in ME's universe according to the lore. Gotta love that gameplay story segregation.
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Post by phoray on Jun 3, 2020 1:52:05 GMT
nother "I want to see naked/sexualized women but pretend I'm talking about Armor" thread. By the same poster even. The last one only went 7 pages, wonder how long this one will last.
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Post by Ben Shapiro on Jun 3, 2020 3:09:17 GMT
nother "I want to see naked/sexualized women but pretend I'm talking about Armor" thread. I don't know where you would get that impression from? All this thread is would be a discussion about what sort of armor and clothing would be appropriate for a fantasy adventurer, I dont think my inital post says anything about naked or sexualized women at all? I mean if the goal was to see attractive women then I am not sure why anyone would think to look in a Bioware game www.hitc.com/static/uploads/hitcn/1423/dragon_age_inquisition_sera_1_1196908.jpg
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 3, 2020 3:56:58 GMT
Typically 'armor'...when used to its widest and most general possible definition...has 3 primary objectives: 1. Protection...keeping people from physical harm and having more material then the enemies weapons can penetrate. Plate mail would be logical here...as long as you can still move in it. 2. Identity concealment: Having enough material to ensure others who do not know who you are. 3. Protection, but more of an eye to manueverability...damage avoidance. Obviously this question then becomes which of the three you would prefer for your own fighter. If you care more for the first two thicker, more encompassing, armor is the rule of the day. But, if you are looking for the last one then sure...you can show a little skin.
Hm... We are playing in a fantasy game and not a period simulation. ... the world has magic and dragons and elves. There is no need for armour to behave or designed as if it existed in a Newtonian universe. Imposing Newtonian physics on mobility will ruin the game, imo.
Community modding, if permitted, will give us outfits that will show as much or little skin as the designer envisions. It's then up to the individual player to choose which sets is preferable. Certes, Bio will design armour sets based on its understanding of the period and tech know-how. ... that adds to the game immersion .
Often, with DA2, I chose different outfits, from Nexus Mods, for myself and my companions. it's fun and increases my enjoyment of the game.. Skyrim has the best selection of armour for any individual (from Nexus Mods). However, too much fantasy design and the illusion of immersion gets broken. So, for me, there is always a limit as to how outre I can be.
Bottom line, though, there is no modding. We will get a standard Bio designed sets for each class and level/progression and the rest will be monetized to death.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 3, 2020 6:56:02 GMT
Yes it should be ok for them to potentially show skin.
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Post by bear on Jun 3, 2020 8:01:07 GMT
This topic probably fits better in the general gaming subforum since you're asking a general gaming question.
As for an answer: What level of showing skin is ok differs from region to region, which gaming demographics you wish to attract, what sort of game it is. There is no universal answer to what is ok or suitable. You can't make a game without alienating someone, somewhere, sometime. So the answer is that there is no "ok" level and companies should decide which market they're selling to and get good at that. Not try and please everyone demanding everything, whether they skin or not.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 3, 2020 8:04:20 GMT
nother "I want to see naked/sexualized women but pretend I'm talking about Armor" thread. By the same poster even. The last one only went 7 pages, wonder how long this one will last. Just start posting evidence of African people living in Europe during the medieval period, that'll get it shut down.
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Post by Ben Shapiro on Jun 3, 2020 8:08:27 GMT
nother "I want to see naked/sexualized women but pretend I'm talking about Armor" thread. By the same poster even. The last one only went 7 pages, wonder how long this one will last. Just start posting evidence of African people living in Europe during the medieval period, that'll get it shut down. I don't know, isnt purposely posting off topic discussion in a thread in order to derail it against the TOS? I mean if you want to discuss distorted evidence of medieval history to make something out to be more common than what it was then wouldn't you be better off creating a thread more suited to the topic?
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Post by Iddy on Jun 3, 2020 13:29:37 GMT
Showing skin definitely defeats the point.
If you want a compromise between mobility and protection, the answer is light armor. Then again, heavy armor irl wasn't actually heavy.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 3, 2020 14:50:47 GMT
What level of showing skin is ok differs from region to region I don't think we should adhere to the UAE standard, where, until recently, women weren't even allowed to drive. I don't think we should adhere to "region" standards. Women should dress however they want or feel like it and in a setting like DA, which is a lot more sexually liberal, at least, it makes a lot less sense for women to be more prudish. As far as battle armour goes, depending on the setting's economy, aesthetic and technology, armour could provide full, partial or even, if it's too expensive, no coverage, due to omission. In addition to that, sometimes, Celtic soldiers would dive into battle naked. Or Greek who couldn't afford armour, which was often the case, fought with spears and shields, but no armour. So we do have precedent. But DA is entirely fictional, so if you want to show cleavage and use armour on females to be an homage to maidenhood and femininity, go ahead and do so.
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Post by bear on Jun 3, 2020 15:14:52 GMT
Precisely my point. Humanity is diverse, which happens to include that different peoples across the world see uncovered women or certain depictions of masculinity as offensive.
Doesn't mean you, as game developer has to abide by or represent their values in your game. It means that you're selling to a different market and they to a third.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 3, 2020 15:16:29 GMT
As long as an armour set's stats fit the amount of skin shown, go for it.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 3, 2020 16:34:02 GMT
I just want to look pretty and sexy.
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Post by Garo on Jun 3, 2020 16:43:38 GMT
BW should just design two sets of canon outfits. One for every-day activities and one for combat. This way we get proper armor AND half naked people.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 3, 2020 16:58:19 GMT
As long as an armour set's stats fit the amount of skin shown, go for it. By that logic the armor should have a weight value which should affect your speed of movement in and out of combat.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 3, 2020 17:05:25 GMT
As long as an armour set's stats fit the amount of skin shown, go for it. Codpiece of Length +5 A most coveted artifact.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2020 17:15:11 GMT
Granted it is a fantasy setting, so may be magically enhanced armour doesn't have to appear to provide full body protection. However, it was rather curious how the same set of Dalish armour in DAO would look different on male and female models. I couldn't see the justification for leaving a completely bare midriff, particularly since we were in Ferelden which is a cooler climate and in any case any issues with over heating would surely apply equally to the male as well as the female form. Then in Inquisition we had the opposite. I know Qunari are meant to have tougher skins and all but how did this make sense for Iron Bull? When this is how it looked on Cassandra? I'd always assumed the reason the Arishok's armour was a bit sparse is because he'd lost most of his gear when they were shipwrecked but it has now been made the norm for Qunari fighters which is a pity considering the codex in DAO suggested they had really advanced stainless steel armour when they were kitted out in full battle gear.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 3, 2020 17:17:42 GMT
As long as an armour set's stats fit the amount of skin shown, go for it. By that logic the armor should have a weight value which should affect your speed of movement in and out of combat. Certainly, and the character could have passive skills that measure how familiar they are with the weight of certain armour sets to compensate for that. But it's not very likely to happen, given how armours sets were more stat suits than anything else in DAI.
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