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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 3, 2020 17:21:17 GMT
gervaise21Perhaps all armour could be glamoured, allowing it to take whatever look its wearer wanted it to, after wearing it. Kind of like Carnage.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2020 17:22:12 GMT
Celtic soldiers would dive into battle naked. Or Greek who couldn't afford armour, which was often the case, fought with spears and shields, but no armour. So we do have precedent So the Romans historians would have us believe. I can't see it myself. As for the Greeks, as you say, they couldn't afford the armour but that would still place them at a disadvantage against fully armoured foes. Usually, unless there was some ritualistic element to not wearing armour, most fighters would equip themselves as much as they could afford.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 3, 2020 17:33:10 GMT
So the Romans historians would have us believe. I can't see it myself. I can certainly see some Celtic nutjob running in the battlefield, dick swinging as he runs against a fully armed roman contubernium. I mean ... have you seen any norf bois, lately? And the IQ can have only gone up since the 1st century. I mean, I assume. I have heard of accounts of Celtic soldiers doing so and while it wouldn't be everyone, there might have been a few cases. As for the Greeks, as you say, they couldn't afford the armour but that would still place them at a disadvantage against fully armoured foes. Usually, unless there was some ritualistic element to not wearing armour, most fighters would equip themselves as much as they could afford. And that would still depend on the economics of the setting. Obviously, armour is more common place in DA, but it's possible it won't be in every setting. In the Dark Sun setting next to no one wears armour, because of the incessant heat. Not to mention that steel is scarce as well, if I recall.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2020 17:34:08 GMT
Perhaps all armour could be glamoured, allowing it to take whatever look its wearer wanted it to, after wearing it. I like my armour to look practical. Now admittedly I rarely choose to play a warrior class so the problem doesn't arise so much for me. I must admit I'd have liked some of my mage robes to be more like Dorian's, where there is a suggestion of leather underneath protecting vital areas but flowing robes over the top, instead of the more obvious light armour that we were given for the Inquisitor. I was happy with my rogue armour though for the most part. Perhaps it should be a case of being able to choose a design you like from a variety of options and then customise it for colour, etc. May be even be able to say what you'd like for your PC at the beginning of the game, so the armour automatically adjusts for your personal taste, just as it does for your companions. Anyway, if some people want more bare skin at the expense of authenticity and practicality, then fine by me, just don't force it on everyone.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 3, 2020 17:37:37 GMT
By that logic the armor should have a weight value which should affect your speed of movement in and out of combat. Certainly, and the character could have passive skills that measure how familiar they are with the weight of certain armour sets to compensate for that. But it's not very likely to happen, given how armours sets were more stat suits than anything else in DAI. It's more likely because it wouldn't be much fun waiting for the character in full plate to catch up with the rest of the party or forcing the rest of the party to move at a snails pace. Just as forcing anyone who wants armor that shows a bit of skin to be punished with low stats wouldn't be much fun.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 3, 2020 17:39:50 GMT
Anyway, if some people want more bare skin at the expense of authenticity and practicality, then fine by me, just don't force it on everyone. Hmm, interesting proposition. The ability to swap skins on armour, to suit your taste. Looks like a MTX proposal to me. I wouldn't mind that. Well, the monetary fee would be a downer, if it isn't unlockable with ingame currency as well and the ability to unlock the skins through a store page that has them available, not locked behind rotation, like Anthem, or hidden in lootbo-I mean, "surprise mechanics". That'd be a nice compromise. Don't you think?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 3, 2020 18:44:34 GMT
Certainly, and the character could have passive skills that measure how familiar they are with the weight of certain armour sets to compensate for that. But it's not very likely to happen, given how armours sets were more stat suits than anything else in DAI. It's more likely because it wouldn't be much fun waiting for the character in full plate to catch up with the rest of the party or forcing the rest of the party to move at a snails pace. Just as forcing anyone who wants armor that shows a bit of skin to be punished with low stats wouldn't be much fun.
Armor wasn’t nearly as cumbersome as many people think. A full suit of steel armor weighed only between 33-55 pounds/15-25 kg. And that was spread all over the wearer’s body. They were able to be quite agile and not really slowed down. I mean modern soldiers wear significantly more weight than that, and that’s all on their back. So a suit of armor was less inconvenient than modern military gear when it came to movement.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 3, 2020 19:05:47 GMT
but how did this make sense for Iron Bull? I think Bull could go totally topless if he could get away with it. With Bull's harness, as with similar gear used by athletes, I imagine it provides a couple of functions: support for his shoulder in the same manner of wristbands and so forth, and -- despite the fact that DAI has no actual weapon sheaths for design reasons -- a setup to hold the sheath or frog for his weapon. When this is how it looked on Cassandra? Eh, that just comes down to the devs wanting to have iconic looks for the characters while still allowing players to customize their armor. I thought it was a great design decision. Plus, the game still does have certain one-piece armors that look the same on everyone.
[edit] Typo.
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Post by githcheater on Jun 3, 2020 22:25:52 GMT
... or as Freddie Mercury might say ...
"Oh shit - all that crap again."
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 4, 2020 1:45:07 GMT
Qunari also canonically have a war paint (which is toxic to all other races) called vitaar which, according to the codex, hardens their skin to be similar to iron, while retaining all flexibility. There are quite a few "vitaar" that can be found and equipped on Iron Bull in Inquisition, where they take the helmet slot.
So for people who are satisified by a having an in-game reason for Qunari to leave their chests exposed, there you go.
It also demonstrates pretty conclusively, I think, that BioWare are not interested in putting human women in boob plate or chainmail bikinis, because clearly they are *capable* of concocting in-game justifications for women to even be completely naked in battle, and they chose not to.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 4, 2020 7:39:01 GMT
Granted it is a fantasy setting, so may be magically enhanced armour doesn't have to appear to provide full body protection. However, it was rather curious how the same set of Dalish armour in DAO would look different on male and female models. I couldn't see the justification for leaving a completely bare midriff, particularly since we were in Ferelden which is a cooler climate and in any case any issues with over heating would surely apply equally to the male as well as the female form. Then in Inquisition we had the opposite. I know Qunari are meant to have tougher skins and all but how did this make sense for Iron Bull? When this is how it looked on Cassandra? I'd always assumed the reason the Arishok's armour was a bit sparse is because he'd lost most of his gear when they were shipwrecked but it has now been made the norm for Qunari fighters which is a pity considering the codex in DAO suggested they had really advanced stainless steel armour when they were kitted out in full battle gear. Bull implies in his banter with Dorian that the Qunari only wear full armor when they're really serious. He gives a sarcastic non-answer when Dorian points out that it's probably smarter to wear full armor every time they think they're going to get into a fight.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 4, 2020 7:48:30 GMT
He gives a sarcastic non-answer He does this with other aspects of the Qunari as well. He's a good spy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
Bull implies in his banter with Dorian that the Qunari only wear full armor when they're really serious. However, it is obvious from the comics that even when they are really serious they still don't equip with full armour. As Panda pointed out, the in-game reason for this is Vitaar, but it was a change from what was implied in DAO. I seem to recall that Sten was happy wearing full armour but may be that was purely so he could fit in or he had lost his supplies of vitaar.
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Post by bear on Jun 4, 2020 9:07:18 GMT
Didn't vitaar only become canon with DA2 onwards?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 5, 2020 22:45:16 GMT
Didn't vitaar only become canon with DA2 onwards? DAI, yeah, the magic-hating Qunari now use blood magic to protect their faces...
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Post by Beerfish on Jun 5, 2020 23:43:17 GMT
If I want to show my schmexyy bare midriff I should be allowed!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 6, 2020 1:20:06 GMT
If I want to show my schmexyy bare midriff I should be allowed! Please don't show us your bare ANYTHING!
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 6, 2020 2:03:06 GMT
Armour, mage robe, archer's leather outfit, in a fantasy setting should look believable and not necessarily practical. That is my number one design goal. Wearing armour in a hot desert setting is ludicrous, for example. But then, I'm not a nutjob during the Crusade time period.
Come to think about it, If the CC allows each player to design their own costume, this problem disappears.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 6, 2020 4:31:15 GMT
Armour, mage robe, archer's leather outfit, in a fantasy setting should look believable and not necessarily practical. That is my number one design goal. Wearing armour in a hot desert setting is ludicrous, for example. But then, I'm not a nutjob during the Crusade time period.
Come to think about it, If the CC allows each player to design their own costume, this problem disappears.
That's one thing I liked about DAI. The number of different patterns greatly increases the chance of finding something you'll like. Most especially seen with The Iron Bull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2020 5:36:51 GMT
Armour, mage robe, archer's leather outfit, in a fantasy setting should look believable and not necessarily practical. That is my number one design goal. Wearing armour in a hot desert setting is ludicrous, for example. But then, I'm not a nutjob during the Crusade time period.
Come to think about it, If the CC allows each player to design their own costume, this problem disappears.
THat's one thing I liked about DAI. THe number of different patterns greatly increases the chance of finding something you'll like. Most especially seen with The Iron Bul. I just wish all appearance options were available for the protagonist too. I kind of get the companions having different looks from each other, but not the protagonist. Especially since we ended up with the short end of the stick.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 6, 2020 5:53:12 GMT
We've never even had face export/save in a DA CC ffs. Can we get that first?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 6, 2020 6:15:18 GMT
Didn't vitaar only become canon with DA2 onwards? DAI, yeah, the magic-hating Qunari now use blood magic to protect their faces... Well Sten does praise the Warden for choosing to go through with Caladrius's bargain, even if he expresses distaste for the magic involved. Maybe that finally makes sense?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 6, 2020 7:53:14 GMT
Well Sten does praise the Warden for choosing to go through with Caladrius's bargain, even if he expresses distaste for the magic involved. Maybe that finally makes sense? No, that's due to the Qunari's relentless conservative practicality. The Qunari waste nothing. If they need to come up with some contorted reasoning to make a circumstance fit with their ideology in order to maintain that order, then by gum, they will!
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Post by Addictress on Jun 8, 2020 0:19:53 GMT
I dont know man, somehow I dont think Jack's top even qualifies as swimwear *snip* it is ok though, mass effect fields and whatnot, funnily enough though even with the minimal clothing Jack still manages to be one of the least sexy characters in the franchise. She'd still be dead a dozen times over throughout ME2 alone. Mass Effect fields only protect you from fast moving projectiles. Slower things or the elements are not stopped by them. Otherwise they would become inconvenient, like the example in the Codex where trying to sit down would launch the chair across the room. So she, and everyone, need fully sealed armors to survive in ME's universe according to the lore. Aw man. I never thought about that. Fail
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 8, 2020 0:35:40 GMT
She'd still be dead a dozen times over throughout ME2 alone. Mass Effect fields only protect you from fast moving projectiles. Slower things or the elements are not stopped by them. Otherwise they would become inconvenient, like the example in the Codex where trying to sit down would launch the chair across the room. So she, and everyone, need fully sealed armors to survive in ME's universe according to the lore. Aw man. I never thought about that. Fail Advanced "Octocamo" armour equivalent of the ME universe. She's actually fully armoured, just pretends she's not. Except the respirator. That doesn't get camouflage.
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