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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 29, 2020 23:42:04 GMT
The game is fairly sensitive to spoilers (particularly with leaks floating around to boot). So when you have finished the game, or have to talk about leaks and story beats, you can discuss all that openly in here, so: WARNING: Open UNTAGGED discussion of story spoilers including the ending in here.The original spoiler-free discussion (now closed) is here: bsn.boards.net/thread/18088
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 16, 2020 7:14:18 GMT
Found out why SkillUp said that the last 2 hours of the game undo the first 20 hours. This is still a rumour so take it for what it is.
This is a revenge story where you don't get revenge. You fight Abby, you win, but then the writers give you a flashback to try and justify why you now decide to spare her. Would've been a heck of a lot better to give you, the player, a choice. Also, Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers so she can no longer play the guitar. That last part sounds so ridiculous it's probably true.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 16, 2020 20:02:06 GMT
Found out why SkillUp said that the last 2 hours of the game undo the first 20 hours. This is still a rumour so take it for what it is.
This is a revenge story where you don't get revenge. You fight Abby, you win, but then the writers give you a flashback to try and justify why you now decide to spare her. Would've been a heck of a lot better to give you, the player, a choice. Also, Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers so she can no longer play the guitar. That last part sounds so ridiculous it's probably true. I mean given the news that's been filtering out about this game...
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 18, 2020 5:32:51 GMT
So...the ending. Just watched the ending, holy shit is it bad.
Ellie finds Abby and Lev tied up on trees near a beach, Ellie (for some strange reason) decides to cut Abby down as well as Lev and they make a break for two separate boats.
Ellie then has a vision of a dead Joel and walks up to Abby to challenge in a fight (instead of shooting her with the SMG or bow). Abby refuses to do so and Ellie holds her knife up against Lev's throat. They fight and Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers. Ellie gains the upper hand and begins drowning Abby.
Ellie then gets a vision of Joel playing the guitar and lets Abby go. Ellie is left crying on the beach while Abby and Lev leave.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 18, 2020 6:17:52 GMT
Nope...not gonna read it..nope.....
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 18, 2020 6:25:36 GMT
Nope...not gonna read it..nope..... A very good idea.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 18, 2020 8:21:46 GMT
So...the ending. Just watched the ending, holy shit is it bad.
Ellie finds Abby and Lev tied up on trees near a beach, Ellie (for some strange reason) decides to cut Abby down as well as Lev and they make a break for two separate boats.
Ellie then has a vision of a dead Joel and walks up to Abby to challenge in a fight (instead of shooting her with the SMG or bow). Abby refuses to do so and Ellie holds her knife up against Lev's throat. They fight and Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers. Ellie gains the upper hand and begins drowning Abby.
Ellie then gets a vision of Joel playing the guitar and lets Abby go. Ellie is left crying on the beach while Abby and Lev leave. That sounds awfully familiar as somebody who has watched The Walking Dead for way too long. I was pissed off about the entire arc and final scene of that particular season so much that I finally quit the show. So basically one of the worst seasons of television as a videogame. No thanks!
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jun 18, 2020 10:24:26 GMT
So...the ending. Just watched the ending, holy shit is it bad.
Ellie finds Abby and Lev tied up on trees near a beach, Ellie (for some strange reason) decides to cut Abby down as well as Lev and they make a break for two separate boats.
Ellie then has a vision of a dead Joel and walks up to Abby to challenge in a fight (instead of shooting her with the SMG or bow). Abby refuses to do so and Ellie holds her knife up against Lev's throat. They fight and Abby bites off two of Ellie's fingers. Ellie gains the upper hand and begins drowning Abby.
Ellie then gets a vision of Joel playing the guitar and lets Abby go. Ellie is left crying on the beach while Abby and Lev leave. Oh ho. Confirmation. Yup, going to watch someone now for his reaction when the game launches and he plays through it. I'm expecting, as I said, S**** and giggles from the viewers. I don't expect it to go every far though, the mods will stamp down and he's likely to put chat in sub mode. But his reaction, ha.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 18, 2020 11:08:19 GMT
"Type of game: misery simulator" - Kotaku review (unscored)
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 18, 2020 11:31:08 GMT
"Type of game: misery simulator" - Kotaku review (unscored) Did they drop score just in this case or do they not do any scoring in general?
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 18, 2020 12:01:01 GMT
"Type of game: misery simulator" - Kotaku review (unscored) Did they drop score just in this case or do they not do any scoring in general? Kotaku doesn't give scores anymore.
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Post by mugwump on Jun 18, 2020 13:06:58 GMT
Yep, sounds every bit as unsatisfying and hamfisted as those leaks suggested. Well worth the crunch, subsequent exodus of talent and controversy I'm sure. Nice moves Druckmann!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 18, 2020 14:01:11 GMT
It's hilarious that Druckmann decided to do the same shitty revenge story with a change of heart at the end that The Walking Dead did with Negan, the worst cartoon villain ever. Negan killed members of Rick's family but when he finally gets him, he has a vision of his dead son telling him to let go of his rage. Let the psychopath go who'd murder you in a split second without regret. Makes sense!
That was SO bad, such a hamfisted ridiculous "twist" that was probably trying to be deep but it's just not clever at all since MOST stories end with doing the right thing in the end. Or just plain not going through with revenge. After two godawful Negan seasons the fucker doesn't even die and returns for another season. That's when I finally checked out. The show overstayed its welcome way before that, revisiting the same tropes over and over but the characters kept me watching. But Negan was such bad writing, I couldn't take it anymore.
If you're going to copy something please don't copy the worst trite shit out there, lol! Don't copy the worst baseball bat swinging maniac ever created! WTF. At least BioWare has the decency to retell a story they copied in a charming skillful way...
There is zero creativity in that sort of ending. Been done so many times. Seriously, what was the point of a story so unoriginal? Unbelievable...
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 18, 2020 15:36:30 GMT
But wait folks, there’s more to the ending:
(Spoiler)
After the beach scene, Ellie wanders into an abandoned house and picks up a guitar and attempts to play it and we get a flashback of her and Joel hanging out a night before the prologue.
They chat a bit about the situation with Seth and Dina’s interest. Then Ellie decides to drop the bomb and calls Joel an asshole for saving her from the Fireflies. She said that her life would have meant more if she died. Joel is silent for a minute. Then he says that if God gave him another chance, he would rescue her all over again. Ellie is still pissed, but comes to an understanding with Joel.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 18, 2020 17:25:04 GMT
Welp, here's a compressed spoiler package - story and ending in 17 minutes.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 18, 2020 20:47:12 GMT
Watching a few streams and sites... the reactions are priceless. I didn’t think anything could out do Dexter or ME3s ending... whoa boy what a shit show.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 18, 2020 20:54:33 GMT
I haven't watched any footage yet but NOTHING will ever beat Dexter for crappiest ending for me. It was my favorite show ever. Scarred for life, lol. Just needed to say that. *g*
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 18, 2020 21:55:01 GMT
I haven't watched any footage yet but NOTHING will ever beat Dexter for crappiest ending for me. It was my favorite show ever. Scarred for life, lol. Just needed to say that. *g* True... but that last season sucked, espeially after season 7 ended with such force. But, if I had enjoyed TLOU previously and got this for a sequel? I mean, how do you sing “I’m a lumberjack” and at least get a chuckle? Big oof.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 18, 2020 22:53:46 GMT
I watched the above summary video and that's about as much time as I was willing to invest to satiate my curiosity.
Very pretentious storytelling. Very heavy handed and utterly unoriginal. I get so bored when the intent of the storyteller is so obvious and preachy like I'm stupid and need things spelled out. Also, nothing worse than playing/watching characters who just don't get it and you keep waiting for them to realize what a mess they've made. Like a dumb blonde in a slasher movie walking into a trap and then they get murdered and you roll your eyes or laugh. How am I supposed to feel bad for Ellie losing everything when she's LITERALLY TOLD by Dina?!
There is NOTHING tragic about that. Tragic is when people try to do the right thing but it's too late. And they didn't realize it. And they're happy only to fid a loved one dead after all or something. When people are told they're going to regret it and do it anyway that's their own fault.
Arthur Morgan's story in RDR2 was great storytelling. GUTTED me. That was some powerful stuff in the end. His fate was rather tragic. It's when you go "oh man, they didn't deserve THIS" that a story worked. My reaction to TLOU2 is "you got what you deserved for not listening". Which CAN work, see Breaking Bad. You can tell a story of a man who's on a road to damnation and not make him look like an idiot in the end. He accepted his fate and still did the right thing in the end. And it was a perfect ending.
Druckmann is a hack writer who probably thought the guitar thing was the most brilliant symbolic shit ever... Should have had Ellie go Heisenberg and do what she needed to do without crying about it. She should have taken that guitar and played that song as best as she could. Fade to black. Or better yety don't write a cliche revenge story in the first place... might work for a movie but not a videogame. Give players choices to play that story how they see appropriate and have THE PLAYER live with the consequences. That's infinitely more powerful than watching emo cutscenes about something you saw coming the entire time! A videogame would have been the perfect tool to let the player experience how violence gets out of hand before you know what's happening. The Walking Dead games did this. You have to make split second choices and often there is no good outcome. Because life is messy like that. And you can't think straight when your back is against the wall. You can simulate that in a videogame through quick time events. I know those are not popular but at least it would have been something other than mindlessly slaughtering people and then watching the protagonist cry about how that was maybe not a great idea while you throw your hands in frustration yelling at the screen "you think?!"
This game is just misery porn turned into a game, sprinkled with identity politics.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 19, 2020 1:24:03 GMT
Speaking of pretentious:
Druckmann has a self-insert named Manuel who looks exactly like him.
And this:
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 19, 2020 7:16:36 GMT
Is that the guy who spits on Joel's corpse?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 19, 2020 7:20:18 GMT
Is that the guy who spits on Joel's corpse? Yep.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 19, 2020 7:28:13 GMT
Twitter nuked the hashtags but these were trending:
Naughty Dog screwed up royally. People might actually forgive and forget the ME3 ending.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 19, 2020 7:35:52 GMT
Hopefully this will end the grimdark style of storytelling in entertainment. I'm seriously getting sick of all these dark storyline getting endless praise and coming across "adult" and "mature". You realize that it's just as childish to place so much darkness as it is shoving down happiness down people's throats. That being said I believe that TLOU2 is either going to be a love or hate it kind of game. From the spoilers I've read and how Neil placing himself everywhere in the game and probably thinking himself a genius, it's going to incite some massive flamewars.
And I'm pretty sure the user metacritc score is going to be fair and balanced and not contain stuff like "trans sex scene" relating to TLOU2 like I've read on multiple forums today.
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