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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 5, 2020 12:43:44 GMT
I would assume that the percentage of false allegations is higher against any kind of "celebrity" because then we're talking big money. If somebody accuses average Joe of rape then it's most likely true. If a politician or movie star is suddenly showered with accusations, some of them are bound to be false. Easy to jump on the bandwagon and cash in. Smear campaigns are a thing.
On the other hand, any person in power has a higher chance of getting away with sexual assault and is perhaps more likely to exploit the situation.
Plenty of men are sexually harassed as well by female superiors but very unlikely to report it. Abuse of power is a general problem, gaming and elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 22:10:34 GMT
By definition all allegations reported to police are allegations overall, you can't undercount them [img class="smile" alt=" " And you know what I meant, making this a non-response. Agreed- large errors, sure. Errors of the magnitude required to change the ultimate conclusion here (that false allegations of rape are rare) otoh? Quite unlikely. That is of course your prerogative, but hopefully you'll forgive those of us inclined to trust the evidence rather than their own assumptions or folk wisdom on this matter.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 6, 2020 2:48:11 GMT
Obviously the data is imperfect since there are rapes that are not reported and false rape allegations not proven to have been false, but again the consistency of the range here is compelling. Turvey 2013 discusses the issues with nailing down a precise figure... though for most people's purposes, a rough range is informative enough. The idea that women routinely make false rape allegations is not empirically supported, so far as the evidence goes rape allegations are almost never made spuriously and ought to be treated with as much credibility and seriousness as accusations of murder, assault, or anything else. I like this post. No matter what any of us might think on these situations, it's important to adhere to what the data says. Still, I'd argue it's important to be careful to check on behavior patterns and determine, without revictimization or any kind of mistreatment of an accuser, wether an allegation can or cannot be reasonable. If I think deeply about it, I don't think I could ever say that women "routinely make false allegations" because the data presented by... pryingopenmybrowneye... does validate that assumption. We should however, have safeguards and protocols to make sure the truth is prioritized, no matter where our biases might lie. I say this because my own professional experience (educational psychologist) is filled with instances of sexual allegations that sometimes are indicative of a different problem: a student who was insulted or hurt by a teacher might be likely to accuse said teacher of being a sexual predator if the student gets a chance to do so. This is anecdotal of course, but it happens sometimes and its difficult to determine where the truth lies.
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Post by skekSil on Jul 7, 2020 0:12:03 GMT
Lisak 2010, "False Allegations of Sexual Assault: An Analysis of Ten Years of Reported Cases" (est prevalence of false allegations: 5.9%) I've found this study on internet, its quite short and conveniently has overview of several other studies on the matter: cdn.atixa.org/website-media/atixa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/12193336/Lisak-False-Allegations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdfAnd you know what I meant, making this a non-response. Have you read any of the studies you listed? Did you understand how these studies are conducted? Because if you did you shouldn't have made that claim. That is of course your prerogative I'd like to clarify: here I disagree with a a suggestion that difference of methodologies would not affect results. If you read Lisak 2010 you will see that all studies that had similar results also had similar approaches to data sortition. on the other hand studies with 'very different'(bad) methodologies had very different results: Also included in Rumney’s listing is a study by Kanin (1994), one of the very few U.S.- based studies of false allegations that is both widely referenced and criticized (Lisak, 2007; Rumney, 2006). Kanin reported that 41% of 109 consecutive rape cases investigated by the police department of a small, Midwestern city over a 9-year period were determined to be false reports. Unfortunately, Kanin provides little information about the methods used to evaluate the police department’s system for classifying cases. The study did not appear to employ a definition of a false report. Rather, Kanin asserted that a rape allegation was classified as a false report if the complainant “admitted they are false” (p. 82). Kanin recorded a case as a false report when he was notified by the police department that a case had been so classified. Kanin reported that he was given access to police files and given the opportunity to ask follow-up questions, but he provided no details about what if any questions he asked nor how he scrutinized the police department’s decision-making process. He apparently used no systematized method for analyzing the police reports (e.g., a coding system) or any system of independent raters or coders to guard against bias. These are particularly important limitations, given that the police department he was studying used procedures that are now specifically discouraged by the U.S. Department of Justice and denounced by the IACP. According to Kanin, the police department always made a “serious offer” to polygraph the alleged victim, a procedure that is now widely viewed as an intimidation tactic that frequently persuades already hesitant rape victims to drop out of the criminal justice process. 2-10% vs 41%, quite staggering difference, don't you think? but hopefully you'll forgive those of us inclined to trust the evidence rather than their own assumptions or folk wisdom on this matter. Oh yeah? Then what's this? Errors of the magnitude required to change the ultimate conclusion here (that false allegations of rape are rare) otoh? Quite unlikely.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 11, 2020 23:19:28 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierWhoaaaa Ubisoft just announced that Serge Hascoet, the most powerful creative force at their company and the man at the center of multiple recent allegations involving abuse and abating abusers, is resigning. Top Ubisoft executives Yannis Mallat (head of Canadian studios) and Cecile Cornet (head of HR) are also gone. Ubisoft is cleaning house. This is a *huge* deal for Ubisoft. Serge Hascoet was the man in charge of ALL of their games. With one word he could greenlight or cancel a project. Many Ubisoft employees believed he was too powerful and close to the CEO to ever be ousted, no matter how many allegations emerged. Anyway, I've been spending the past few weeks talking to dozens of current and former Ubisoft employees about all this for a story that will be up in the near future. Most of them thought Hascoet was untouchable - this is a stunner. In an internal message to employees tonight, Yves Guillemot said he will "personally oversee a complete overhaul" of Ubisoft's creative Editorial team, and that his "goal is to create an inclusive and open culture that embraces more diverse and multidisciplinary expertise" Ubisoft has confirmed to Bloomberg News that Serge Hascoet is leaving the company, not just his role. Shannon Liao @shannon_LiaoThree Ubisoft execs are departing. “I am committed to implementing profound changes across the company to improve and strengthen our workplace culture,” said Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot. Full statement: ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/comsite_common/en-US/images/pressrelease_downloadablemm_20200711_103822_20200711_pressreleaseen_tcm99-362812_tcm99-196733-32.pdf
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 12, 2020 6:02:59 GMT
I have to give Ubisoft credit for they are handling this a lot better then other places like Riot.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 13, 2020 15:43:41 GMT
Whilst there may be differing views of the individual, what does mean for his games? If it means anything at all? Dunno... are you comfortable with the idea that consumption of his work still benefits him, directly or indirectly? Granted, big projects requiring team and which are not just a product of one creator are harder to categorize - why the awful stuff one a-hole did should taint the hard work of others?, etc... but it's still something to be taken into consideration in situations like this.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jul 13, 2020 16:56:07 GMT
Whilst there may be differing views of the individual, what does mean for his games? If it means anything at all? Dunno... are you comfortable with the idea that consumption of his work still benefits him, directly or indirectly? Granted, big projects requiring team and which are not just a product of one creator are harder to categorize - why the awful stuff one a-hole did should taint the hard work of others?, etc... but it's still something to be taken into consideration in situations like this. But with that logic, you couldn't buy any game, as statistically at least one of the hundreds of people working on it will be a despicable person.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 13, 2020 17:16:49 GMT
Dunno... are you comfortable with the idea that consumption of his work still benefits him, directly or indirectly? Granted, big projects requiring team and which are not just a product of one creator are harder to categorize - why the awful stuff one a-hole did should taint the hard work of others?, etc... but it's still something to be taken into consideration in situations like this. But with that logic, you couldn't buy any game, as statistically at least one of the hundreds of people working on it will be a despicable person. ...Didn't I point exactly that in my response? I said it should be taken into consideration, not that we shouldn't automatically not buy or support anything a persona-non-grata was ever involved in. I'm simply pointing out that separating creation from creator isn't an approach that is going to work at all times in cases like this.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jul 13, 2020 17:47:39 GMT
But with that logic, you couldn't buy any game, as statistically at least one of the hundreds of people working on it will be a despicable person. ...Didn't I point exactly that in my response? I said it should be taken into consideration, not that we shouldn't automatically not buy or support anything a persona-non-grata was ever involved in. I'm simply pointing out that separating creation from creator isn't an approach that is going to work at all times in cases like this. I don't know how we take it into consideration tho. We can buy, or not buy, but otherwise...? I guess talking about the issue and voicing our concerns to the publishers is the only other option, but it still boils down to a binary yes/no purchasing decision. Then you have to hope they respond to their fans
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 13, 2020 18:01:11 GMT
This is quite the rabbit hole.
I'm not going to reject every piece of art that had a despicable artist involved in its creation. Nor do i feel comfortable with a piece of art where an asshole is the principal creator.
As games are produced by hundreds of people, I'm less inclined to throw the creation under the bus.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 13, 2020 18:37:15 GMT
Chances are that buying a game supports way more decent people that actually need the money and likely crunched their hearts out as the deadline approached than there are despicable people profiting from it also.
Not buying a product because there might be one asshole benefitting from that purchase is just a nicer version of the old witch hunter's creed: better an entire innocent village is put to death than that a single follower of Chaos goes free.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 29, 2023 10:05:26 GMT
Chris Avellone filed a libel suit against his accusers. It was settled in March '23, with both accusers stating that Chris Avellone never sexually abused them and that to their knowledge he never sexually abused anyone else. They claimed that their previous public statements regarding Mr. Avellone had been "misinterpreted".
Make of that what you will.
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