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Post by xerrai on Sept 15, 2020 23:15:22 GMT
Because there may be no magical mcguffin to save us all this time. I believe he may end up destroying himself. He seeks to use the red lyrium idol, and the power of the Blight is not to be trifled with.
It would certainly match with his "The failure was mine. I should pay the price." tidbit. Although I am surprised he is using a blighted artifact.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 15, 2020 23:18:35 GMT
I see a lot of posts in here saying that their PCs goal isn't going to be about Solas but about saving the world. This is certainly a bit of a...no brainer for me. I do not intend to just *let him* destroy the world (unless of course part of the point of his plan is the world is dying anyways). But I don't see the two goals as mutually exclusive. Especially in regards to Solas. With as much power as he has gathered, as powerful as he is, I really do not think its just going to be as simple as killing him...or even stopping him. With his power levels this could set up some really juicy philosophical conversation where we are going to have to reason with him and get him to give up his plan. Because there may be no magical mcguffin to save us all this time. Also, if we really do figure out a way to kill Solas, it would be kind of a waste to use it on him and not on the other elven gods instead. I’m pretty sure that when Solas predicts the world would be destroyed, he means that the evanuris would finish the job he interrupted with the Veil. So why even bother killing him? If he could take the Veil down AND we have the power to kill a god, he should probably just take the Veil down while we deal with the other assholes. Then we could have the positives of no Veil, without all the world destruct-y bits. Win-win!
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 15, 2020 23:22:55 GMT
Maybe.
I know some characters want him dead, I know at least three of my Inquisitors want to redeem him.
The question now though is will the new protagonists want that?
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Post by Reznore on Sept 15, 2020 23:23:58 GMT
It would certainly match with his "The failure was mine. I should pay the price." tidbit. Although I am surprised he is using a blighted artifact.
"The failure was mine. I should pay the price. But the People they need ME" Then he kills Flemeth, and she's the one paying.
Hopefully she had a plan B, cos she's been murdered like what 3 times ?
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Post by Frost on Sept 15, 2020 23:27:09 GMT
The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? A new pc...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 23:27:18 GMT
He deserves to die for creating the veil, let alone what he does going forward. So ... he should have let the Evanuris destroy the world? Do we know if they actually were? The only sources for what happened we have are all very biased against them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 23:29:48 GMT
We'd need to know a bit more about the pre-Veil situation to make that call, wouldn't we? Although it's a pretty high bar, since dropping the Veil seems like the magical WMD equivalent of starting a global thermonuclear war If it does turn out to be Blight related, I’d say that qualifies. We still don’t know what happens when the last archdemon dies, but I have a sneaking suspicion it’s not “blights end forever” or “all the darkspawn chill out and roast marshmallows in the Deep Roads”. If the magisters hadn’t fucked things up by busting through the Veil, Thedas was having a pretty good, pretty blightless run. Well, one thing I imagine will happen is that all the Darkspawn will become Awakened.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 15, 2020 23:30:03 GMT
The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? A new pc...
Precisely.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 23:32:06 GMT
The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? Why would they? To them Solas is just some crazy old mage using red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the modern world in order to restore his own. You know, this guy:
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 15, 2020 23:33:53 GMT
So ... he should have let the Evanuris destroy the world? Do we know if they actually were? The only sources for what happened we have are all very biased against them. Ghilin'nain? She gleefully documented her horrors in detail.
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 15, 2020 23:33:54 GMT
So ... he should have let the Evanuris destroy the world? Do we know if they actually were? The only sources for what happened we have are all very biased against them. I have no reason to doubt him, given what we know about the Evanuris.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 23:35:42 GMT
Do we know if they actually were? The only sources for what happened we have are all very biased against them. Ghilin'nain? She gleefully documented her horrors in detail. And the others? Also doesn't show she was planning on destroying the world. Do we know if they actually were? The only sources for what happened we have are all very biased against them. I have no reason to doubt him, given what we know about the Evanuris. I do. He is literally the Trickster God, and someone who did nothing but lie to us for a year.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 15, 2020 23:58:17 GMT
Maybe. I know some characters want him dead, I know at least three of my Inquisitors want to redeem him. The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? that will depend on what the new protagonist values and what thematic elements bioware puts in their nature and their narrative.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 16, 2020 0:12:11 GMT
I'm a pretty easygoing and forgivable person, but planning, or even considering a genocide which happens to include me as well is kind of not ok.
Screw that egg.
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Post by Jarovbees on Sept 16, 2020 0:30:44 GMT
Yep, Solas is going down.
Besides, he's so bad at anticipating the consequences of his actions that it's better to take him out before his latest attempt takes everyone with him.
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Post by phoray on Sept 16, 2020 0:32:14 GMT
I voted Solas is not beyond redemption, and I am hoping that they give him a redemption arc in DA4 (depending on the pc's choices). Redemption could simply mean..."Yeah, I get it. And here's an arrow in your face." Do you mean that if Solas chose the light-side path (redemption), your pc would shoot him in the face after choosing it? Sounds effin hilarious. Now on my wish list.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 16, 2020 0:36:46 GMT
I voted Solas is not beyond redemption, and I am hoping that they give him a redemption arc in DA4 (depending on the pc's choices). Redemption could simply mean..."Yeah, I get it. And here's an arrow in your face." Do you mean that if Solas chose the light-side path (redemption), your pc would shoot him in the face after choosing it? Why not? He changed his mind once. He could change it back. Better safe than sorry.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 0:45:11 GMT
The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? Why would they? To them Solas is just some crazy old mage using red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the modern world in order to restore his own. You know, this guy: Who knows. I still suspect two potential plot points is either we get a Kefka situation and the world has already ended, or we're working for Solas. Either or would be interesting...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 0:57:15 GMT
Why would they? To them Solas is just some crazy old mage using red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the modern world in order to restore his own. You know, this guy: Who knows. I still suspect two potential plot points is either we get a Kefka situation and the world has already ended, or we're working for Solas. Either or would be interesting... Interesting is certainly one word for it, though not in the context your post implies. The first is just Trespasser being even more of a middle finger since the choices at the end meant nothing. The second would suck for a number of reasons.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 1:02:29 GMT
Who knows. I still suspect two potential plot points is either we get a Kefka situation and the world has already ended, or we're working for Solas. Either or would be interesting... Interesting is certainly one word for it, though not in the context your post implies. The first is just Trespasser being even more of a middle finger since the choices at the end meant nothing. The second would suck for a number of reasons. Maybe not for your character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 1:06:23 GMT
Interesting is certainly one word for it, though not in the context your post implies. The first is just Trespasser being even more of a middle finger since the choices at the end meant nothing. The second would suck for a number of reasons. Maybe not for your character. No, for the story in general. Like the disconnect between a player who knows everything and a character they play who knows nothing. Or being like another Cerberus situation. And so on and so forth. And if you meant the first part, how would the choices about how to stop Solas and what kind of power you have not be made worthless if like Corypheus the game starts with Solas already achieving at least part of his goal?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 1:11:52 GMT
Maybe not for your character. No, for the story in general. Like the disconnect between a player who knows everything and a character they play who knows nothing. Or being like another Cerberus situation. And so on and so forth. And if you meant the first part, how would the choices about how to stop Solas and what kind of power you have not be made worthless if like Corypheus the game starts with Solas already achieving at least part of his goal? There is a lot of times where 'knowing more' then your character, or the characters on screen, can be used for drama or tension within a story. In this case though just because we are working for Solas does not mean we have to know we are. I can easily imagine a scenario where the game starts off and we are getting a bunch of quests and assignments from a 'mysterious benefactor'...which could even be implied to be the Inquisition, but then, gasp!, like at the end of Act 1 we find out that it was Solas all along. I mean, at this point the sky is literally the limit.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 1:12:38 GMT
Maybe not for your character. No, for the story in general. Like the disconnect between a player who knows everything and a character they play who knows nothing. Or being like another Cerberus situation. And so on and so forth. And if you meant the first part, how would the choices about how to stop Solas and what kind of power you have not be made worthless if like Corypheus the game starts with Solas already achieving at least part of his goal? I guess I'm weird as my player knowledge never interferes with character knowledge. So if it is a cerberus situation, so long as its told well and a solid narrative I dont mind the perspective. And where it may take us. Another thought, two narratives, one working forSolas, one working for the inquisition.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 1:18:58 GMT
No, for the story in general. Like the disconnect between a player who knows everything and a character they play who knows nothing. Or being like another Cerberus situation. And so on and so forth. And if you meant the first part, how would the choices about how to stop Solas and what kind of power you have not be made worthless if like Corypheus the game starts with Solas already achieving at least part of his goal? I guess I'm weird as my player knowledge never interferes with character knowledge. So if it is a cerberus situation, so long as its told well and a solid narrative I dont mind the perspective. And where it may take us. Another thought, two narratives, one working forSolas, one working for the inquisition. I dont get the Last part of your post.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 1:20:50 GMT
No, for the story in general. Like the disconnect between a player who knows everything and a character they play who knows nothing. Or being like another Cerberus situation. And so on and so forth. And if you meant the first part, how would the choices about how to stop Solas and what kind of power you have not be made worthless if like Corypheus the game starts with Solas already achieving at least part of his goal? There is a lot of times where 'knowing more' then your character, or the characters on screen, can be used for drama or tension within a story. In this case though just because we are working for Solas does not mean we have to know we are. I can easily imagine a scenario where the game starts off and we are getting a bunch of quests and assignments from a 'mysterious benefactor'...which could even be implied to be the Inquisition, but then, gasp!, like at the end of Act 1 we find out that it was Solas all along. I mean, at this point the sky is literally the limit. I can’t think of a single time that has worked well with a video game. Things like movies are different since you’re merely a passive viewer instead of an active participant. So we’re forced to play an idiot mercenary. Oh joy.
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