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Post by ellehaym on Sept 16, 2020 1:22:29 GMT
I think Solas is going to die. If redeemed he'll die a noble sacrifice
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 1:25:05 GMT
There is a lot of times where 'knowing more' then your character, or the characters on screen, can be used for drama or tension within a story. In this case though just because we are working for Solas does not mean we have to know we are. I can easily imagine a scenario where the game starts off and we are getting a bunch of quests and assignments from a 'mysterious benefactor'...which could even be implied to be the Inquisition, but then, gasp!, like at the end of Act 1 we find out that it was Solas all along. I mean, at this point the sky is literally the limit. I can’t think of a single time that has worked well with a video game. Things like movies are different since you’re merely a passive viewer instead of an active participant. So we’re forced to play an idiot mercenary. Oh joy. Well last time we were forced to play an idiot noblewoman. I mean while I love the Inquisitor and her plotline and don't think her dumb by any chance man did BioWare make her really obtuse on a few things. (Like Solas's identity)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 1:30:37 GMT
I can’t think of a single time that has worked well with a video game. Things like movies are different since you’re merely a passive viewer instead of an active participant. So we’re forced to play an idiot mercenary. Oh joy. Well last time we were forced to play an idiot noblewoman. I mean while I love the Inquisitor and her plotline and don't think her dumb by any chance man did BioWare make her really obtuse on a few things. (Like Solas's identity) Big difference between that and someone who takes any job without finding out who they’re working for.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 1:34:00 GMT
Well last time we were forced to play an idiot noblewoman. I mean while I love the Inquisitor and her plotline and don't think her dumb by any chance man did BioWare make her really obtuse on a few things. (Like Solas's identity) Big difference between that and someone who takes any job without finding out who they’re working for. Ah I think you misunderstood what I was implying: I mean Solas is the 'trickster' God of Dalish ledgend for a reason he can lie, obsfcate, manipulate, and throw in a lot of half truths. Its the same way that I think at least some of our companions may be vulnerable to his influence to. He is not going to go and present himself openly, he will pretend to be something or someone else.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 1:39:10 GMT
Big difference between that and someone who takes any job without finding out who they’re working for. Ah I think you misunderstood what I was implying: I mean Solas is the 'trickster' God of Dalish ledgend for a reason he can lie, obsfcate, manipulate, and throw in a lot of half truths. Its the same way that I think at least some of our companions may be vulnerable to his influence to. He is not going to go and present himself openly, he will pretend to be something or someone else. Still makes them complete morons for not looking into their job. At least Hawke could refuse to get Anders his “medicinal ingredients” if you suspect something’s up to give another example of your patron manipulating and lying.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 1:57:07 GMT
I guess I'm weird as my player knowledge never interferes with character knowledge. So if it is a cerberus situation, so long as its told well and a solid narrative I dont mind the perspective. And where it may take us. Another thought, two narratives, one working forSolas, one working for the inquisition. I dont get the Last part of your post. Last part is me musing on potential story ideas. Two stories with two character arcs, one for silas and their side, one for the inquisition and their side.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 2:08:54 GMT
I dont get the Last part of your post. Last part is me musing on potential story ideas. Two stories with two character arcs, one for silas and their side, one for the inquisition and their side. You mean the dual protagonist idea?
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 2:18:31 GMT
Last part is me musing on potential story ideas. Two stories with two character arcs, one for silas and their side, one for the inquisition and their side. You mean the dual protagonist idea? Kinda, yeah.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2020 2:23:32 GMT
You mean the dual protagonist idea? Kinda, yeah. If it’s only kind of, you have my curiosity of how it is different. Can you explain your idea more please?
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Post by biggydx on Sept 16, 2020 4:13:58 GMT
There's a quote from Larry King that I find very pertinent to the type of person Solas is.
Solas likely wouldn't feel a need for redemption because he doesn't even believe what he is doing is necessarily wrong. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand there will be significant fallout from his actions, but - for him - how does that compare to what he things is the "greater good"? Also, for one to be redeemed, they would have had to of done something fairly reprehensible, or something worthy of admonishment. For this term to be applicable, he would indeed have to of torn down the Veil. While this may be a boon to some, it will undoubtedly lead to hardship for many. In this instance, what can he even do that would redeem himself?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 16, 2020 9:16:55 GMT
I am not interested in Solas' mentally impaired adventures. Maybe in his quest for sanitation, he gets sepsis and dies. I'd be OK with it. Solas doesn't have to realize his grand plan. He can just die from unrelated causes. It's a subversion of expectations and that's a merit unto itself, right? So let's do that.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 16, 2020 9:48:42 GMT
He destroyed the world once. I will not allow him the chance to do so again. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 16, 2020 9:54:15 GMT
I voted "Other" because it does not matter to me. If he is a threat, he needs to be neutralized, ideally as permanently as possible. I don't want to hear about his tough childhood or how mean the other elven gods were to him, I just want him to not set another of his brilliant plans in motion and wonder in what way it backfires this time.
Can he be redeemed? In whose eyes, his own or the people who died as a consequence of his genius ideas? Either way I don't want to be his therapist, I'll probably have my hands full already with my companions.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 16, 2020 12:25:50 GMT
The only way Solas gets redeemed is if he wants to be redeemed, but considering he doesn't appear to think he needs to be or that anything he's doing requires it.
I don't see it happening.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 16, 2020 12:58:04 GMT
There's a quote from Larry King that I find very pertinent to the type of person Solas is. Solas likely wouldn't feel a need for redemption because he doesn't even believe what he is doing is necessarily wrong. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand there will be significant fallout from his actions, but - for him - how does that compare to what he things is the "greater good"? Also, for one to be redeemed, they would have had to of done something fairly reprehensible, or something worthy of admonishment. For this term to be applicable, he would indeed have to of torn down the Veil. While this may be a boon to some, it will undoubtedly lead to hardship for many. In this instance, what can he even do that would redeem himself? IMO Larry King is so wrong. There are people that are perfectly aware (and sometimes even proud) to have zero (or very very little) empaty and humanity, that enjoy hurting others and watch others suffer. Not the case of Solas, of course.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 16, 2020 13:00:13 GMT
I don't really want Solas to get "redeemed". I still hold hope that the Veil will come down early in the game and that trying to stop/redeem Solas will not be a core focus of the plot.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 16, 2020 13:32:48 GMT
There's a quote from Larry King that I find very pertinent to the type of person Solas is. Solas likely wouldn't feel a need for redemption because he doesn't even believe what he is doing is necessarily wrong. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand there will be significant fallout from his actions, but - for him - how does that compare to what he things is the "greater good"? Also, for one to be redeemed, they would have had to of done something fairly reprehensible, or something worthy of admonishment. For this term to be applicable, he would indeed have to of torn down the Veil. While this may be a boon to some, it will undoubtedly lead to hardship for many. In this instance, what can he even do that would redeem himself? IMO Larry King is so wrong. There are people that are perfectly aware (and sometimes even proud) to have zero (or very very little) empaty and humanity, that enjoy hurting others and watch others suffer. Not the case of Solas, of course. What you're describing is psychopathy. A person who lacks the ability to empathize with others, or those who genuinely have no qualms with inflicting harm upon others; because they cant empathize.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 16, 2020 13:34:22 GMT
Other. I won't make a decision one way or the other until I have more facts. He has already changed his tune since Trespasser, now saying it is done to save this world rather than bring back the old one. If he is doing it to end the threat of the Blight once and for all, then the world is probably doomed anyway without his action, so he is saving what he can. I need to know that though. Otherwise, if he has just been equivocating like the old trickster he is, then stuff redeeming him, I want to save the world. Yeah I think we would need moer facts befoer we can determine his punishmen tan dwhether he should be punished or not. After al we don't even rtuly know his prope rmotibvations fo rhim creating the veil H clearly stated that there was a civil war among the elves or at least the elven gods. H ema yhav ebeen driven to create the veil to protect innocents and to try to help save lives. That may have been his true agenda so it may be possible to redeem him. As based on what he says at the end of Trespasser it sounds like to me he did what he did because he felt he had to not because he really wanted to much like Anders when he blew up the Chantry in DA2 when he felt that the deadlock between the mages and templars needed breaking.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 16, 2020 13:39:47 GMT
Maybe. I know some characters want him dead, I know at least three of my Inquisitors want to redeem him. The question now though is will the new protagonists want that? Yeah i tma ydepend on our Inquisitors and who they choose to replace them on the front line in this fight because that is who I assume will be our next protagonist.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 16, 2020 13:42:26 GMT
The game tries very hard to convey the idea that he ISN'T beyond redemption, so no. Not that the players necessarily have to agree with that.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 16, 2020 13:48:46 GMT
What you're describing is psychopathy. A person who lacks the ability to empathize with others, or those who genuinely have no qualms with inflicting harm upon others; because they cant empathize. yes and the world and history are full of psychopaths. They are not necessarily people droolling at the mouth, who go around laughing wickedly and planning the destruction of the world. They can also be people who, by abstract reasoning, or education, are able to recognize the ethical disvalue of their actions. They know they are performing wrong or cruel and inhuman acts. They know they are "evil", when they looks in the mirror. Some accept it, without being proud of it, or trying to find a justification ( that's the way it is) others enjoy it. But when it comes to characterizing the psychology of a villain, he does not necessarily have to consider himself "the hero of his own story".
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 16, 2020 14:30:38 GMT
I don't really want Solas to get "redeemed". I still hold hope that the Veil will come down early in the game and that trying to stop/redeem Solas will not be a core focus of the plot. Before reading Tevinter Nights, I was also kind of hoping for this outcome. But now, I kind of want to see Solas showing up in increasingly silly costumes throughout the game. I don’t know if it’s doable with voice acting, but honestly, I don’t even care if the disguises are obvious. He so clearly relishes doing it.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 16, 2020 14:32:35 GMT
If it’s only kind of, you have my curiosity of how it is different. Can you explain your idea more please? Well, most of my ideas are super fantasy: We have two protagonists we create, one an agent of Solas (knowingly or unknowingly) and one who is hired by the Inquisitions (lets say Lord of Fortune). Both stories play out to a single linear point, then diverge with the story choices in-between of course being modular and changeable. So let's say that point would be the Red Lyrium Idol being found and both parties converge at the meeting point to negotiate what happens to it. Consider this moment like a meeting council where the two protagonists we have are recounting their journey to this point, which would be the bulk of the game. Both of these characters we jump back and forth and see the perspectives of their side, companions, and events from two different angles. Allows for heists, combat situations, character development, banter, side quests (maybe even side quests that are interlinked without the two sides knowing it) and romance stuff. Maybe Solas participates as a temporary companion for his own agent, if they knowingly work for him. It is during that meeting we would choose the path for the third and final act in how we deal with Solas. We can join him, go against him, fight him, redeem him, we give the idol to him, destroy it, etc. Whatever choices we have for a final act. We also need to make a choice with which protagonist we created we would play as going forward in that 3rd act as well, which can determine several paths. That is how it would play out for me.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 16, 2020 19:19:25 GMT
I don't really want Solas to get "redeemed". I still hold hope that the Veil will come down early in the game and that trying to stop/redeem Solas will not be a core focus of the plot. Before reading Tevinter Nights, I was also kind of hoping for this outcome. But now, I kind of want to see Solas showing up in increasingly silly costumes throughout the game. I don’t know if it’s doable with voice acting, but honestly, I don’t even care if the disguises are obvious. He so clearly relishes doing it. bonus points if he shows up in a Tux.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 16, 2020 19:24:42 GMT
An unrepentant racist who wants to go back to the good ol' days with some good ol' boys. Not even getting into his incompetence in nearly destroying the world. He is shaping up to be an amazing villain, but he needs to be stopped permanently. No matter how bad he claims to feel about it.
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