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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 16, 2021 23:02:36 GMT
Allow me to interrupt your argument to say I am ridiculously excited about photo mode. I have a 1440p monitor now and I need full resolution wallpapers, dammit! Anyone know whether there is a steelbook for the PC version? I looked and couldn't find one. The PC version i slikely to b edigital only I think. Th esteel books are likel yonly availabl efo rthe consoles
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 16, 2021 23:31:44 GMT
As someone who grew up with Star Trek, the familiar concept of exploring strange, new worlds (seeking out new life & new civilizations, etc.) was what I looked forward to when ME:A was released. It could have been that "Wagon Train To The Stars," but it sadly & frustratingly didn't stick the landing, for me. The characters were just uninspired clones (some of which tried too hard to be memorable), of the characters from the OT, the character animations left a lot to be desired, the villains were bland, and the list goes on. I don't even remember the story or most of the characters' names. who were the analogues for Cora, Vetra, Jaal, Drack, Liam, and Peebee in the OT? I got bupkus, though i am also sticking to same species given the clone angle. Drack and Peebee were definitely analogues of Wrex and Liara. I wouldn't go as far as aying they were 'clones', but the similarities were clear to me.I'd have definitely not used the same 'idea' of a old Krogan mercenary and an Asari researcher (fixated on a long-gone race/technology/artifacts) for a Krogan and Asari squadmate. Not sure on the rest, because Cora and Liam weren't really analogues with Ashley and Kaidan, no matter how'd pair them, in my opinion. They don't fit in terms of personalities, and even 'jobs'. Cora expecially. The only thing you could use as an argument to being clones (and it's just my opinion, but I liked Cora better then Ashley), is the fact that they're human and they're the first squadmates you get, but it's kind of a stretch. And Jaal and Vetra don't have even that.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 16, 2021 23:55:48 GMT
who were the analogues for Cora, Vetra, Jaal, Drack, Liam, and Peebee in the OT? I got bupkus, though i am also sticking to same species given the clone angle. Drack and Peebee were definitely analogues of Wrex and Liara. I wouldn't go as far as aying they were 'clones', but the similarities were clear to me.I'd have definitely not used the same 'idea' of a old Krogan mercenary and an Asari researcher (fixated on a long-gone race/technology/artifacts) for a Krogan and Asari squadmate. Not sure on the rest, because Cora and Liam weren't really analogues with Ashley and Kaidan, no matter how'd pair them, in my opinion. They don't fit in terms of personalities, and even 'jobs'. Cora expecially. The only thing you could use as an argument to being clones (and it's just my opinion, but I liked Cora better then Ashley), is the fact that they're human and they're the first squadmates you get, but it's kind of a stretch. And Jaal and Vetra don't have even that. I wopuldn' tsay tha tas Peebee is a lot moer hot headed than say Liara is and very gung ho Liara was definitely more relaxed about how she handled things. I do agree about Drack though but I do think that for me the fact that Drack had a bit of a sense of humour for me made him a bit more endearing to me than with Wrex. I mean I did Drack's loyalty mission again earlier today in my latest playthrough and reminded myself of his fine moments again in that. In many ways he kind of reminds me of my own grandfather with his stories and everything so he definitely had that grandfather vibe about him which really gelled wit hme and showed the type of character he was.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 17, 2021 0:08:35 GMT
Drack and Peebee were definitely analogues of Wrex and Liara. I wouldn't go as far as aying they were 'clones', but the similarities were clear to me.I'd have definitely not used the same 'idea' of a old Krogan mercenary and an Asari researcher (fixated on a long-gone race/technology/artifacts) for a Krogan and Asari squadmate. Not sure on the rest, because Cora and Liam weren't really analogues with Ashley and Kaidan, no matter how'd pair them, in my opinion. They don't fit in terms of personalities, and even 'jobs'. Cora expecially. The only thing you could use as an argument to being clones (and it's just my opinion, but I liked Cora better then Ashley), is the fact that they're human and they're the first squadmates you get, but it's kind of a stretch. And Jaal and Vetra don't have even that. I wopuldn' tsay tha tas Peebee is a lot moer hot headed than say Liara is and very gung ho Liara was definitely more relaxed about how she handled things. I do agree about Drack though but I do think that for me the fact that Drack had a bit of a sense of humour for me made him a bit more endearing to me than with Wrex. I mean I did Drack's loyalty mission again earlier today in my latest playthrough and reminded myself of his fine moments again in that. In many ways he kind of reminds me of my own grandfather with his stories and everything so he definitely had that grandfather vibe about him which really gelled wit hme and showed the type of character he was. I agree, that's why I say I wouldn't call them clones. But the general idea of the two pair of characters, Wrex/Drack and Liara/Peebee, is the same. I would've started from a different one altogether. And while Peebee is certainly VERY different from Liara in regards of personality, the fact that they tied the characters with the ancient technology/artifact that are a pivotal part of the respective games, doesn't help at all in giving Peebee a strong Liara vibe, no matter the differences in personality. Anyway, I think we should move on a different topic, as this isn't really LE-related.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 0:17:49 GMT
Until ME3, I didn't think Wrex was fully developed as a character … barely there in ME2 and fairly one dimensional in ME1. I'd say Drack is as fully developed after one game as Wrex was after three. Drack an analog of Wrex? Maybe, but far better developed at this point in the story.
As far a PeeBee is concerned, I looked at her as the anti-Liara … where T'Soni was the naïve, serious, studious, credulous archeologist at the start of ME1 … becoming something different in ME2 and ME3 … PeeBee was a brash, self-centered, cynical, careless, scavenger(?) scientist. They both had interests … Liara with her Prothean archeology and PeeBee with Remnant technology … Liara's interest was more academic … knowledge for knowledge's sake, where I thought PeeBee was more interested in what she could do with the remtech … more utilitarian, looking to cash in perhaps. Liara grew up under the watchful eye of an Asari Matriarch (wealthy and politically powerful), PeeBee grew up on some outworld with her Asari mother and Elcor father … neither having much in the way of significant accomplishments (to hear PeeBee tell it).
Since we only have one story so far with MEA, I think we have to compare the characters as they existed in ME1 … not compare characters as they evolved in ME2 and ME3. Once (if) we have an MEA3 … it would be appropriate to compare the characters by the end of both stories.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2021 0:25:23 GMT
who were the analogues for Cora, Vetra, Jaal, Drack, Liam, and Peebee in the OT? I got bupkus, though i am also sticking to same species given the clone angle. Drack and Peebee were definitely analogues of Wrex and Liara. I wouldn't go as far as aying they were 'clones', but the similarities were clear to me.I'd have definitely not used the same 'idea' of a old Krogan mercenary and an Asari researcher (fixated on a long-gone race/technology/artifacts) for a Krogan and Asari squadmate. Not sure on the rest, because Cora and Liam weren't really analogues with Ashley and Kaidan, no matter how'd pair them, in my opinion. They don't fit in terms of personalities, and even 'jobs'. Cora expecially. The only thing you could use as an argument to being clones (and it's just my opinion, but I liked Cora better then Ashley), is the fact that they're human and they're the first squadmates you get, but it's kind of a stretch. And Jaal and Vetra don't have even that. Drack is probably the cloest because Wrex comes off as a bit of a grump sometimes but even then that is probably a little of a stretch. As far as Peebee female, Asari, young, arechologist, but that is pretty much it. She has a completley different mindset and attitude on life as Liara and I do not think she has an obsession over Ryder the size of an Imp SSD.
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Post by Ascend on Apr 17, 2021 1:10:48 GMT
Here's some shots from photo mode Ilos looks amazing...
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Post by bshep on Apr 17, 2021 3:45:35 GMT
Don't show Ilos Bioware, let us find it ingame.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Apr 17, 2021 7:56:57 GMT
Since we only have one story so far with MEA, I think we have to compare the characters as they existed in ME1 … not compare characters as they evolved in ME2 and ME3. Once (if) we have an MEA3 … it would be appropriate to compare the characters by the end of both stories. This! People compare the whole ot characters with 3 games of development with only 1 for andromeda and that's wrong. And tbh the tempest crew is far more developed than the normandy crew in me1, in only one game.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 17, 2021 8:02:09 GMT
Since we only have one story so far with MEA, I think we have to compare the characters as they existed in ME1 … not compare characters as they evolved in ME2 and ME3. Once (if) we have an MEA3 … it would be appropriate to compare the characters by the end of both stories. This! People compare the whole ot characters with 3 games of development with only 1 for andromeda and that's wrong. And tbh the tempest crew is far more developed than the normandy crew in me1, in only one game. I'd go so far that A crew > 1&2 crew completely, for me the human side only came out in 3rd for the OT, in Andromeda it'll come out more naturally during the antics the crew does.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2021 8:03:38 GMT
This! People compare the whole ot characters with 3 games of development with only 1 for andromeda and that's wrong. And tbh the tempest crew is far more developed than the normandy crew in me1, in only one game. I'd go so far that A crew > 1&2 crew completely, for me the human side only came out in 3rd for the OT, in Andromeda it'll come out more naturally during the antics the crew does. Two and Andromeda has the best cast IMO. Felt they were too wooden in ME 1 and didn't really care for the inclusion of Liara, EDI, and Javik in 3...plus then Ashley was a shell of herself.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 17, 2021 8:08:31 GMT
I'd go so far that A crew > 1&2 crew completely, for me the human side only came out in 3rd for the OT, in Andromeda it'll come out more naturally during the antics the crew does. Two and Andromeda has the best cast IMO. Felt they were too wooden in ME 1 and didn't really care for the inclusion of Liara, EDI, and Javik in 3...plus then Ashley was a shell of herself. Yep was really disappointed about how Ash and Kaidan are 'empty' quickly.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 17, 2021 8:18:06 GMT
who were the analogues for Cora, Vetra, Jaal, Drack, Liam, and Peebee in the OT? I got bupkus, though i am also sticking to same species given the clone angle. Drack and Peebee were definitely analogues of Wrex and Liara. I wouldn't go as far as aying they were 'clones', but the similarities were clear to me.I'd have definitely not used the same 'idea' of a old Krogan mercenary and an Asari researcher (fixated on a long-gone race/technology/artifacts) for a Krogan and Asari squadmate. Not sure on the rest, because Cora and Liam weren't really analogues with Ashley and Kaidan, no matter how'd pair them, in my opinion. They don't fit in terms of personalities, and even 'jobs'. Cora expecially. The only thing you could use as an argument to being clones (and it's just my opinion, but I liked Cora better then Ashley), is the fact that they're human and they're the first squadmates you get, but it's kind of a stretch. And Jaal and Vetra don't have even that. Cora and Liam were a bit tricky as Cora is an analogue of Kaidan (the calm human with biotic abilities) and Liam of Ashley (the big mouthed human soldier). Vetra is your best Turian friend, maybe? They definitely aren't clones, but I always got the feeling like I've seen those characters before.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2021 12:29:23 GMT
Since we only have one story so far with MEA, I think we have to compare the characters as they existed in ME1 … not compare characters as they evolved in ME2 and ME3. Once (if) we have an MEA3 … it would be appropriate to compare the characters by the end of both stories. This! People compare the whole ot characters with 3 games of development with only 1 for andromeda and that's wrong. And tbh the tempest crew is far more developed than the normandy crew in me1, in only one game. I would say it would be fair to compare with the characters in ME2 since a lot of them were not in ME1. The tempest crew was ok, but the squad.....could have been better.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 17, 2021 14:28:01 GMT
Since we only have one story so far with MEA, I think we have to compare the characters as they existed in ME1 … not compare characters as they evolved in ME2 and ME3. Once (if) we have an MEA3 … it would be appropriate to compare the characters by the end of both stories. This! People compare the whole ot characters with 3 games of development with only 1 for andromeda and that's wrong. And tbh the tempest crew is far more developed than the normandy crew in me1, in only one game. That might be why people like the ME1 crew more. Less development with good writing is far better than lots of development with terrible writing. Even taking ME1 on its own, the crew is far far better than the MEA crew. ME1 characters didn't get enough development to fail as massively as the MEA crew. I didn't want to murder every last one of the the ME1 crew, I'd happily watch on repeat the death of all the MEA crew. There are some good things in MEA, the characters is not one of them.
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Post by Warrick on Apr 17, 2021 15:21:34 GMT
It's weird how the lighting has changed ever since they showed the Feros screenshot. You can see the Mako looks very flat in the original. In the updated version the star is lighting one side. The other side is dark and also the car casts a shadow on the road. So the updated version feels much more atmospheric. Then we have the comparison trailer and it shows the complete opposite: The Mako is receiving light in the original, whereas it looks totally flat in the updated version. Same thing on Noveria: The Mako is receiving light from the light it's got to the right in the original, so its right side is brighter. Flat lighting in the updated version. This is giving me Peebee flashbacks from when they first showed her compared to how that game actually looked.
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Post by mrfixit on Apr 17, 2021 15:42:18 GMT
Looking forward to the Legendary Edition. The ME Trilogy is my favorite game series of all times, and I appreciate BioWare's effort to rejuvenate the game. Character models and textures are looking great, from what I've seen so far, though I'm not so sure about the general atmosphere. Feros I like, the new lighting and color scheme is appropriate and atmospheric. Virmire is... all right, I guess. It looks like a tropical lush paradise, which syncs with the devs' vision, as I understand it, but I loved the original game's deep blue, almost stormy skies. Noveria feels like a downgrade, artistically speaking. Where are those cold icy saturated blues that dominated the landscape? That sci-fi dread, punctuated with red flares from road signal lights? Not sure why they needed to whiten and desaturate the environments to that extent.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2021 18:39:07 GMT
It's weird how the lighting has changed ever since they showed the Feros screenshot. You can see the Mako looks very flat in the original. In the updated version the star is lighting one side. The other side is dark and also the car casts a shadow on the road. So the updated version feels much more atmospheric. Then we have the comparison trailer and it shows the complete opposite: The Mako is receiving light in the original, whereas it looks totally flat in the updated version. Same thing on Noveria: The Mako is receiving light from the light it's got to the right in the original, so its right side is brighter. Flat lighting in the updated version. This is giving me Peebee flashbacks from when they first showed her compared to how that game actually looked. lighting was also the main thing everyone was complaining about from the initial reveals 'omg too bright, omg lens flares' that sort of thing.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 17, 2021 18:44:15 GMT
It's weird how the lighting has changed ever since they showed the Feros screenshot. You can see the Mako looks very flat in the original. In the updated version the star is lighting one side. The other side is dark and also the car casts a shadow on the road. So the updated version feels much more atmospheric. Then we have the comparison trailer and it shows the complete opposite: The Mako is receiving light in the original, whereas it looks totally flat in the updated version. Same thing on Noveria: The Mako is receiving light from the light it's got to the right in the original, so its right side is brighter. Flat lighting in the updated version. This is giving me Peebee flashbacks from when they first showed her compared to how that game actually looked. lighting was also the main thing everyone was complaining about from the initial reveals 'omg too bright, omg lens flares' that sort of thing. Indeed it seems noone is erally happ ywith it If they aer unhapp ythen the ycan always stick to the origina lnoone is forcin gthe to get the LE
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Post by Warrick on Apr 17, 2021 18:56:42 GMT
I just thought the reversal was interesting enough to comment on. Feel free to go back to complaining about people complaining about people complaining and so on.
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Post by bshep on Apr 17, 2021 19:35:27 GMT
Remaster has much better graphic quality, that is not even a opinion but a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 20:31:02 GMT
I don't really have the right skill set, but I would love to see a side-by-side comparison of ME1 ALOT / Remaster.
As a PC player, that is the comparison that matters.
ALOT is limited compared to the remaster, so technically speaking the remaster should be significantly better, but I wonder about that in reality.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 17, 2021 20:34:51 GMT
I don't really have the right skill set, but I would love to see a side-by-side comparison of ME1 ALOT / Remaster. As a PC player, that is the comparison that matters. ALOT is limited compared to the remaster, so technically speaking the remaster should be significantly better, but I wonder about that in reality. You should compare with -Project Merlin -MEUITM -ReShade RT At which point, the comparison would get laughable.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2021 21:24:32 GMT
I don't really have the right skill set, but I would love to see a side-by-side comparison of ME1 ALOT / Remaster. As a PC player, that is the comparison that matters. ALOT is limited compared to the remaster, so technically speaking the remaster should be significantly better, but I wonder about that in reality. You should compare with -Project Merlin -MEUITM -ReShade RT At which point, the comparison would get laughable.
If you stick strictly to PC I guess.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 17, 2021 21:36:41 GMT
You should compare with -Project Merlin -MEUITM -ReShade RT At which point, the comparison would get laughable.
If you stick strictly to PC I guess. I mean, that's what we were talking about.
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