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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 10, 2020 9:51:33 GMT
First, I didn't realise we were only allowed to discuss topics that you found valid. Perhaps you could post a list that we could adhere to and then you wouldn't face the upset of having to read posts on the single most divisive issue in Mass Effect. Would you prefer it we just had endless discussions on Miranda's arse or Ashley's 'racism'? Second, I only get involved with discussions such as this when I see the same false or frankly idiotic arguments trotted out. I'm correcting lies and I'm well aware the chances of a satisfactory ending actually being tacked on now are slim. Anyway, thanks for the gatekeeping. I'll be sure your feelings on anything I write are taken into account before I hit 'create post'. I am no moderator. It is just I have seen this sort of "discussion" end up taking that route where the moderators do get involved. And though I have opinions into those things of which you mention this is neither the time nor the thread for such diatribe. All I am trying to avoid is seeing another thread closed for derailment from the subject of the thread:
Thus Casey Hudson's abandoning Bioware just when its starting a new game in his "baby" franchise.
Also getting someone to change their view or see them in a different light for this franchise whether their arguments hold water at this point is almost mute. If not already aware most of the ME fanbase is now polarized one way or another on the endings.
And getting the logical and valid result will only continually result in failure and is like teaching a shark to build a fire.
Ah. I see someone who gets sarcasm... a little bit at least. Don't worry about my feelings they are as dead to people as I may seem to them.
Its just seeing it go on page after page after page gets the feeling tedious and that you may being played in the first place.
Discuss whatever you want to -hopefully in line with the current thread -just watch out you not the fish on the hook.
Maybe I should have used this instead: Make more sense now I think.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 10, 2020 19:43:13 GMT
Yep, they're fucked.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 10, 2020 20:15:04 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it.
The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again?
It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well.
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Post by raketagirl on Dec 11, 2020 0:59:55 GMT
Sigh. I just want my friends back. I would even take friends of friends. Give me a Mass Effect detective story, maybe a wormhole story. This just seems like it will doom the ME franchise for a long time. I'll be a granny before I play the next game!
Playing Cyberpunk and spending wayyyyy too much time in the really lovely character creator makes me wish we had that for Andromeda. Night City gives me Omega vibes, and the story is ok but just ok. I want my Aria T'Loak!
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Post by ahglock on Dec 11, 2020 5:03:53 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it. The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again? It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well.
Is that confirmed. I mean the new trailer looks like they will canonize a ending, a easy way to do that is basically remove the other options from the ending in the legendary edition. Though i guess that might tip their hand too much.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 11, 2020 5:12:16 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it. The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again? It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well.
Is that confirmed. I mean the new trailer looks like they will canonize a ending, a easy way to do that is basically remove the other options from the ending in the legendary edition. Though i guess that might tip their hand too much.
Guess you could say: sucks to be him, Huh? 😆
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Post by themikefest on Dec 11, 2020 9:31:42 GMT
Is that confirmed. I mean the new trailer looks like they will canonize a ending, a easy way to do that is basically remove the other options from the ending in the legendary edition. Though i guess that might tip their hand too much. What has happened is EA read my post that ME3 should have ended using Hackett's ending. They agreed. They had Bioware quickly put together the teaser to indicate there will be a game taking place after ME3 in the Milky Way.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 11, 2020 11:15:51 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it. The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again? It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well. Yep.
Maybe for Hudson being a General Manager was boring and he left before...
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 11, 2020 15:13:30 GMT
Or you know, people can stop strawmaning Destroy as a "Disney" ending. Because there is nothing Disney about galactic devastation. The Green is more of a Disney ending then Destroy is. Galactic devastation, massive world burned nearly to ash, the loss of the Relay Network. The fact Destroy doesn't turn the galaxy into a 40k under hive shows how Disney it is. At least Control and Synthesis give a reason why recovery would be fast enough to prevent that.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 11, 2020 15:18:20 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it. The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again? It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well.
Is that confirmed. I mean the new trailer looks like they will canonize a ending, a easy way to do that is basically remove the other options from the ending in the legendary edition. Though i guess that might tip their hand too much.
Why would they remove the other endings? Why do so many people on this forum seem incapable of considering allowing the multiple choice ending to remain and simply hand selecting the best choices from the trilogy to build a story off of for ME:A?
There is bitter and cynical and then there is reaching into a hot deep fryer with your bare hands simply because you hit your head on some metal once as a kid and now refuse to use the metal basket.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2020 17:00:07 GMT
Yes and thank god because I don't want his artistic integrity hands anywhere near the franchise ever again
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 11, 2020 17:31:53 GMT
Yes and thank god because I don't want his artistic integrity hands anywhere near the franchise ever again So literally every person who has ever created any sort of art, music, movie, game, ect is bad now?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 17:56:00 GMT
So literally every person who has ever created any sort of art, music, movie, game, ect is bad now? You can dislike a specific person's brand of artistic integrity.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2020 18:44:30 GMT
Yes and thank god because I don't want his artistic integrity hands anywhere near the franchise ever again So literally every person who has ever created any sort of art, music, movie, game, ect is bad now? Obviously a reference to his direct response about the ending of ME....
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 11, 2020 20:17:39 GMT
The Green is more of a Disney ending then Destroy is. Galactic devastation, massive world burned nearly to ash, the loss of the Relay Network. The fact Destroy doesn't turn the galaxy into a 40k under hive shows how Disney it is. At least Control and Synthesis give a reason why recovery would be fast enough to prevent that. That happens if you have a low EMS score and you pick Destroy. So... And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 11, 2020 20:33:24 GMT
And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Harsh. Funny, but harsh. It's definitely post-destroy and, judging by Liara's smirk, post-high EMS destroy. Let the good times roll.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 11, 2020 21:08:31 GMT
And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Harsh. Funny, but harsh. It's definitely post-destroy and, judging by Liara's smirk, post-high EMS destroy. Let the good times roll. *Sips tea while grinning evily*
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 11, 2020 21:15:25 GMT
Galactic devastation, massive world burned nearly to ash, the loss of the Relay Network. The fact Destroy doesn't turn the galaxy into a 40k under hive shows how Disney it is. At least Control and Synthesis give a reason why recovery would be fast enough to prevent that. That happens if you have a low EMS score and you pick Destroy. So... And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Low EMS has more out right damage but still retains the "And we recovered in a single life time" set up. I swear I have seen all the EMS endings but if I'm clearly missing one please give me a link to watch it. So literally every person who has ever created any sort of art, music, movie, game, ect is bad now? Obviously a reference to his direct response about the ending of ME.... Yes and you are trying to use the term artistic integrity as a low key insult as if creating something you envisioned and standing by it is a bad thing. Now everyone has opinions and with few exceptions they are all perfectly valid. But going after artistic integrity is beyond simply having an opinion. That starts to stray into the narcissistic territory. By all means think it is terrible writing and a terrible ending. But do not act like your opinion is biblical gospel and someone is wrong for standing by what they created.
And just in case you try to pull the whole "a lot of people think this" as so many people before you have done. The popularity of an idea doesn't make it right nor correct only popular.
So literally every person who has ever created any sort of art, music, movie, game, ect is bad now? You can dislike a specific person's brand of artistic integrity. There is no specific brand of artistic integrity. Making something close to your original vision with criticism and feed back altering but not completely changing has no brand. What you seem to be confusing is your personal opinion of something. You do not have to like Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie Trilogy. But you can not call his artistic integrity into question nor use it as an insult.
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them. Because they think their opinions, reason and logic are the gospel of god. And this is were I personally draw issue. By all means you are absolutely free to think it is the most shitty writing by the most amateur writer and programed by people who wouldn't know a mouse pad from a panda's furry ass hole. I might disagree with you but that is simply an opinion and just as valid as my own. However as soon as you start attacking artistic integrity you go from having your own personal opinion that is completely valid into whinny narcissistic man/woman baby territory.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 21:20:44 GMT
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them A lot of creators do come out and admit their mistakes. To shut down criticism under artistic integrity, isn't a pass. Art can be flawed and artists can improve. To consider oneself above reprieve is megalomania. In Bioware's case their "artistic integrity" created probably the biggest divide in an interactive medium, only to be surpassed by TLoU2. Bioware is free to stand by its artistic integrity and they are welcome to it. But it can also mean the tarnishing of their reputation and the drop of their market performance. You can say it isn't so, but facts and current events prove otherwise. Even if you don't believe it to be so.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 11, 2020 21:26:37 GMT
Harsh. Funny, but harsh. It's definitely post-destroy and, judging by Liara's smirk, post-high EMS destroy. Let the good times roll. *Sips tea while grinning evily* Well I do say it is Refuse ending and The Dead Reaper that die during Me3 Reaper War.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 11, 2020 21:50:41 GMT
That happens if you have a low EMS score and you pick Destroy. So... And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Low EMS has more out right damage but still retains the "And we recovered in a single life time" set up. I swear I have seen all the EMS endings but if I'm clearly missing one please give me a link to watch it. Obviously a reference to his direct response about the ending of ME.... Yes and you are trying to use the term artistic integrity as a low key insult as if creating something you envisioned and standing by it is a bad thing. Now everyone has opinions and with few exceptions they are all perfectly valid. But going after artistic integrity is beyond simply having an opinion. That starts to stray into the narcissistic territory. By all means think it is terrible writing and a terrible ending. But do not act like your opinion is biblical gospel and someone is wrong for standing by what they created.
And just in case you try to pull the whole "a lot of people think this" as so many people before you have done. The popularity of an idea doesn't make it right nor correct only popular.
You can dislike a specific person's brand of artistic integrity. There is no specific brand of artistic integrity. Making something close to your original vision with criticism and feed back altering but not completely changing has no brand. What you seem to be confusing is your personal opinion of something. You do not have to like Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie Trilogy. But you can not call his artistic integrity into question nor use it as an insult.
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them. Because they think their opinions, reason and logic are the gospel of god. And this is were I personally draw issue. By all means you are absolutely free to think it is the most shitty writing by the most amateur writer and programed by people who wouldn't know a mouse pad from a panda's furry ass hole. I might disagree with you but that is simply an opinion and just as valid as my own. However as soon as you start attacking artistic integrity you go from having your own personal opinion that is completely valid into whinny narcissistic man/woman baby territory.
It's the one where if you have an ems score below the 1700 mark and you pick Destroy.
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Post by Ascend on Dec 11, 2020 23:31:38 GMT
And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Harsh. Funny, but harsh. It's definitely post-destroy and, judging by Liara's smirk, post-high EMS destroy. Let the good times roll. If it is a post-destroy game, they better change the ME3 ending in the remaster.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 11, 2020 23:34:04 GMT
After seeing the new teaser trailer I wonder if that had an effect on his departure? It looks like a post-high EMS destroy ending (dead Reapers, Liara's smirk after finding the N7 armour fragment) so maybe Casey had a huff because they weren't respecting his 'artistic vision '?
Not that I'm bothered.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 11, 2020 23:37:48 GMT
Harsh. Funny, but harsh. It's definitely post-destroy and, judging by Liara's smirk, post-high EMS destroy. Let the good times roll. If it is a post-destroy game, they better change the ME3 ending in the remaster. I originally thought that was the reason behind the remaster but then Casey made it clear it was a graphics upgrade only so I lost interest. Now he's leaving I wonder if that means they actually are changing the ending. All they'd have to do is stop the game before the Starbrat turns up. Shepard and Anderson convo, Anderson dies, Crucible fires, show high EMS destroy slideshow. Done.
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Post by Ascend on Dec 11, 2020 23:45:17 GMT
If it is a post-destroy game, they better change the ME3 ending in the remaster. I originally thought that was the reason behind the remaster but then Casey made it clear it was a graphics upgrade only so I lost interest. Now he's leaving I wonder if that means they actually are changing the ending. All they'd have to do is stop the game before the Starbrat turns up. Shepard and Anderson convo, Anderson dies, Crucible fires, show high EMS destroy slideshow. Done. That would actually work extremely well.
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