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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 12, 2020 1:20:39 GMT
If it is a post-destroy game, they better change the ME3 ending in the remaster. I originally thought that was the reason behind the remaster but then Casey made it clear it was a graphics upgrade only so I lost interest. Now he's leaving I wonder if that means they actually are changing the ending. All they'd have to do is stop the game before the Starbrat turns up. Shepard and Anderson convo, Anderson dies, Crucible fires, show high EMS destroy slideshow. Done. I actually like Starbrat's explanations for why the crucible and Reapers exist. That's good stuff. However, he should stop short of giving Shepard the option to choose a blue/red/green ending. He should just step aside and Shepard activates the crucible's high EMS destroy slideshow.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 12, 2020 1:49:34 GMT
Is that confirmed. I mean the new trailer looks like they will canonize a ending, a easy way to do that is basically remove the other options from the ending in the legendary edition. Though i guess that might tip their hand too much.
Why would they remove the other endings? Why do so many people on this forum seem incapable of considering allowing the multiple choice ending to remain and simply hand selecting the best choices from the trilogy to build a story off of for ME:A?
There is bitter and cynical and then there is reaching into a hot deep fryer with your bare hands simply because you hit your head on some metal once as a kid and now refuse to use the metal basket.
If they are setting up a next game under one canon, why not? Yeah they can say alternate universes, it was your story or any number of things. But one ending that lines up with your new setting is easy.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 12, 2020 14:16:58 GMT
Why would they remove the other endings? Why do so many people on this forum seem incapable of considering allowing the multiple choice ending to remain and simply hand selecting the best choices from the trilogy to build a story off of for ME:A?
There is bitter and cynical and then there is reaching into a hot deep fryer with your bare hands simply because you hit your head on some metal once as a kid and now refuse to use the metal basket.
If they are setting up a next game under one canon, why not? Yeah they can say alternate universes, it was your story or any number of things. But one ending that lines up with your new setting is easy. But it isn't needed. Eldar Scrolls does this all the damn time with every single game.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2020 15:07:25 GMT
Typical Bioware coward like the rest of them.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 12, 2020 15:28:11 GMT
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them A lot of creators do come out and admit their mistakes. To shut down criticism under artistic integrity, isn't a pass. Art can be flawed and artists can improve. To consider oneself above reprieve is megalomania. In Bioware's case their "artistic integrity" created probably the biggest divide in an interactive medium, only to be surpassed by TLoU2. Bioware is free to stand by its artistic integrity and they are welcome to it. But it can also mean the tarnishing of their reputation and the drop of their market performance. You can say it isn't so, but facts and current events prove otherwise. Even if you don't believe it to be so.
Only when they think it is a mistake. However often enough people will try to use mass pressure to force an apology simply to satisfy their egos because they can not stand the idea that their opinion might not be correct. Art is flawed and to consider your opinion about said art as beyond question and absolutely correct and above question or challenge is narcissism. You are literally saying "Your art is terrible so I think you are wrong and you should apologize to me because I think it is bad." And when they refuse because they stand by what they created parts of the player base literally threw themselves on the floor and threw a temper-tantrum because their egos simply couldn't accept not being treated as ultra special, always right and unquestionable deities who's opinion is law simply because other people agree with them.
In fact this is a problem with the wider video game audience. Game forum after game forum, social media after social media there is a trend were people have the idea or stance that anyone that agrees with them is smart, intelligent and knows everything while anyone that disagrees with them is a stupid fucking moron who has no idea about anything or a shill who is simply sucking the dick of (insert company). And even worse they use how popular an idea is to gauge if it is correct or not even though popularity of an idea doesn't mean it is good. I mean if I had a dollar for each time I have been called a shill and mass down voted on reddit for simply liking Fallout 76, or not engaging in the circle jerk worship of Fallout New Vega as god's gift to gamers I could retire on a private island already.
And while it is cherry picking a little recent experience perfectly highlights this. While talking about Cyberpunk someone was talking about how CDPR build their own engine in house. I countered that they are simply upgrading the engine they build for Witcher 2 so it is like Bethesda and the Creation Engine. They didn't entirely build a brand new engine for Cyberpunk they simply upgraded the engine used for Witcher 3 which was simply upgraded from the engine created for Witcher 2. Because I have literally had people tell me with 100% honesty they think CDPR builds entirely new game engines from scratch for each game they make. Their response was:
After my link to a wiki article about REDengine and the various versions of it they replied with
It literally is just an upgraded version of the engine they build for Witcher 2 because game engines are modern day Ship of Theseus. Also CDPR isn't the first mid size developer to create their own engine. Developers of all shapes and sizes were doing that early in gaming history before wide spread use of popular engines like Unreal and Unity. And on top of that CDPR as of 2019 has around 1,000 employees so while they might not equal companies like EA they certainly are not some small studio anymore. That is on par with the likes of Bethesda.
So because I didn't praise CDPR I must be an idiot spouting bullshit. And after I prove my statement is valid they still can't accept that I was correct in my statement going after word usage and still trying to give CDPR the praise they really don't deserve for actions that are not unique or special.
Their behavior is echoed in the people who legitimately are upset that BioWare didn't fall on their knees and beg for forgives because their ideas didn't line up with the player's ideas.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 12, 2020 16:02:23 GMT
Yes and thank god because I don't want his artistic integrity hands anywhere near the franchise ever again If you put it that way.....
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 12, 2020 16:04:16 GMT
Since apparently BioWare is NOT going to change the endings to ME3 and this whole remastered MET: Legendary Edition is basically a glorified graphics update allow PS4/5 owners to play the games on their systems and Hudson knowing that some fans are still butthurt about the endings and disappointed that it's just graphically update and he got death threats and by some accounts the controversy was so bad for Hudson that he got PTSD from it and had to get counseling to deal with it. The real question is: When they officially announced the remasters is why wouldn't he leave BioWare and run for the hills to save his family and his sanity and why would he want to have to deal with this same bullshit again? It's also possible that he didn't couldn't cut it as General Manger of BioWare. Not every creative person is cut out to be executive maybe he wanted to lead the development of the next Mass Effect game but couldn't because he's basically running the company and can't do what he wanted to do because he had to make sure DA4 and whatever other games and any other media deals BioWare is doing all get done as well. It's going to fuck everything up all over again, unless they could at least fix the ending. So it could carry over the sequel.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 12, 2020 16:04:50 GMT
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them A lot of creators do come out and admit their mistakes. To shut down criticism under artistic integrity, isn't a pass. Art can be flawed and artists can improve. To consider oneself above reprieve is megalomania. In Bioware's case their "artistic integrity" created probably the biggest divide in an interactive medium, only to be surpassed by TLoU2. Bioware is free to stand by its artistic integrity and they are welcome to it. But it can also mean the tarnishing of their reputation and the drop of their market performance. You can say it isn't so, but facts and current events prove otherwise. Even if you don't believe it to be so. Exactly.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 16:15:37 GMT
Only when they think it is a mistake I think they do think it is a mistake. They just can't come out and admit it, 9 years later, without coming off as idiots. However often enough people will try to use mass pressure to force an apology simply to satisfy their egos because they can not stand the idea that their opinion might not be correct Either side could be wrong, but only one side had a studio closed for a sequel that underperformed. Art is flawed and to consider your opinion about said art as beyond question and absolutely correct and above question or challenge is narcissism. If you need to move to a new galaxy for a sequel, which tanks, then yes, I think the other side was correct. Future events prove this. You are literally saying "Your art is terrible so I think you are wrong and you should apologize to me because I think it is bad." And when they refuse because they stand by what they created parts of the player base literally threw themselves on the floor and threw a temper-tantrum because their egos simply couldn't accept not being treated as ultra special, always right and unquestionable deities who's opinion is law simply because other people agree with them A question; have you seen what happened to Dr. Who? You know the sci-fi show? Fans were not OK with the last seasons finale, as it basically breaks a lot of things. Now, the showrunner is sticking by his artistic integrity, with the new season, but the damage is pretty obvious to everyone. I don't fault Chinballs for sticking to his guns, after the fact, it is only natural that he does, because he's an idiot, but he still damaged the show. And if that show is to have a future, it needs to be fixed. We are likely to watch the final season of Dr. Who this year, for good. Now, Chinballs has the added bonus of wrecking a sixty ... three year old franchise(?) that wasn't even his own created IP. Mass Effect, at least, is Bioware and they can destroy it, if they want to, but when their sequel tanks, they need to realize they brought that on themselves. If they didn't want their sequel tanking, they should not have killed their franchise. And maybe they didn't see it that way, but the audience did. And if the audience only sees a dead franchise going forward and don't buy the sequel, Bioware has to deal with their studio shutting down and people losing jobs. So somebody definitely fucked up somewhere. Some people made a big deal out of what that might be. Some things just don't bear good results. Don't blame the results. In fact this is a problem with the wider video game audience. Game forum after game forum, social media after social media there is a trend were people have the idea or stance that anyone that agrees with them is smart, intelligent and knows everything while anyone that disagrees with them is a stupid fucking moron who has no idea about anything or a shill who is simply sucking the dick of (insert company). And even worse they use how popular an idea is to gauge if it is correct or not even though popularity of an idea doesn't mean it is good. I mean if I had a dollar for each time I have been called a shill and mass down voted on reddit for simply liking Fallout 76, or not engaging in the circle jerk worship of Fallout New Vega as god's gift to gamers I could retire on a private island already. You are free to like what you want and I don't fault you, regardless of whether what you like is good or bad. I don't like Fallout 76 and I do prefer New Vegas. You can think the opposite and that's cool. I don't understand why people like call of duty, but then again, people don't get nausea and headaches from it, like I do. Nor can I ask that Call of Duty no longer gets made, because it makes me ill. A company's bottom line is, at the AAA segment at least, profitability and ME right now is not enjoying any profitability. It depends on being liked and if it isn't being liked, then it jeopardizes people's jobs. Bioware sticking to their "artistic integrity", especially when they knew it would hurt their bottom line, sends a message that they don't care about the fans, they don't care about their IP and they ultimately don't care about the repercussions either of these will have on their employees. At least, that is the message I get and, therefore, it is not a company I wish to support. Unfortunately, I don't get paid to keep people at Bioware employed and I can't afford it, especially when the company makes it abundantly clear they don't want me buying their games anymore. So I don't particularly understand what you want me to do. And while it is cherry picking a little recent experience perfectly highlights this. While talking about Cyberpunk someone was talking about how CDPR build their own engine in house. I countered that they are simply upgrading the engine they build for Witcher 2 so it is like Bethesda and the Creation Engine. They didn't entirely build a brand new engine for Cyberpunk they simply upgraded the engine used for Witcher 3 which was simply upgraded from the engine created for Witcher 2. Because I have literally had people tell me with 100% honesty they think CDPR builds entirely new game engines from scratch for each game they make. Their response was: I am no expert in CDPR. I hardly play their games. Effectively, I don't play their games. It literally is just an upgraded version of the engine they build for Witcher 2 While that is an oversimplification of things, that is correct, technically. Is this about the complaints Bethesda got for Creation Engine? Creation Engine gets complaints, because it still has the same problems since it was called Gamebryo. And it isn't so much an issue for Bethesda's SP games, because the fan patches fix those, but on an online only massively multiplayer game, you can't fan patch it. Because the client is server side. Not to mention, hackers can update their creation engine tools to, basically, work on any version of the engine. Which is why Fallout 76 has such huge problems with hackers. I've not seen any other online game be this vulnerable to exploits. At least of the AAA segment. Smaller games, I guess there's worse? I could be wrong. So because I didn't praise CDPR I must be an idiot spouting bullshit. And after I prove my statement is valid they still can't accept that I was correct in my statement going after word usage and still trying to give CDPR the praise they really don't deserve for actions that are not unique or special. I'm never going to ask you to praise anyone you don't feel like praising. Their behavior is echoed in the people who legitimately are upset that BioWare didn't fall on their knees and beg for forgives because their ideas didn't line up with the player's ideas. It wasn't about forgiveness.
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Post by Guardian on Dec 12, 2020 17:45:51 GMT
I originally thought that was the reason behind the remaster but then Casey made it clear it was a graphics upgrade only so I lost interest. Now he's leaving I wonder if that means they actually are changing the ending.
All they'd have to do is stop the game before the Starbrat turns up. Shepard and Anderson convo, Anderson dies, Crucible fires, show high EMS destroy slideshow. Done. The bolded part is actually my theory as well. I just brushed it off, thinking nothing of it since Casey left before. But with that actually *being* Liara...I do wonder if there's more going on with him leaving...
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 12, 2020 17:46:35 GMT
I think they do think it is a mistake. They just can't come out and admit it, 9 years later, without coming off as idiots. You have assumptions pulled out of your rear end. So I take your statement with the same grain of salt as people who claim the earth is flat simply because they look at the horizon and can't see a curve.
And EA has a history of closing studios for less. By all means it sold well and EA who controls BioWare has green lit them for another Mass Effect game. If it was such a failure with no one wanting it you can be sure EA would use it's power to veto any further mass effect game and to focus on something with more potential profit. That said the nature of Andromeda and going to another galaxy this is more a fan issue with BioWare. As the lead up to Andromeda's announcement I have had countless conversations were I bring up the idea of BioWare selecting specific choices from the OT to build Androemda's story off of. And 99.999% of the hundreds if not thousands of replies across various forums and social media were strongly if not ear piercingly against the idea of specific choices being selected to build the basis of Andromeda's story even if they were only used to frame certain things.
For example Wrex being leader and the Gehophage being cured altering the dynamic of how the races of the galaxy view the Krogan in a more positive light. Which would open up the Krogan to more development as the Krogan can be some what divided between the older ones that want to hold onto the old ways and the younger ones who see the benefit of Wrex's ideology. Showing the generational differences as they still struggle with adapting to new ideas and long held beliefs clashing and conflicting.
This was unacceptable because their choices in the OT are treated like holy gospel of god and a fundamental aspect of reality. Which is a mentality that never and will never make sense to me. As I fully support the choices I made in the OT but I would not throw a shit fit if they picked other choices to build the new world and narrative of a new series. I'm not that fucking narcissistic that I fly into a rage at the idea of my choices not being picked in a video game.
Once again you do not seem to understand the concept of artistic integrity and you seem to think that mob rule is always correct and the artist has to bow down to mod rule and can never stand by what they did.
How did you manage to jump that shark during a pandemic? I would have figured that places like that would be closed. You have this habit of making a lot of really broad assumptions with no proof and thinking your opinion is 100% factual. You go far beyond the normal opinion based statements. The fact you even once said that there is no such thing as head canon makes me wonder if you are just being a troll for trolls sake and that I should treat you like one.
Neither do I. However some basic gaming history would point out that developers of all sizes were once creating their own engines. id Sofware created the id tech and Quake engines for their games like Doom and Wolfenstine and help build the foundation for first person shooters.
No this is about someone trying to excuse the poor performance and issues on PS4 and One consoles because they were busy making a new engine for the game. Which they didn't make a new engine as upgrades while still heavy work is not as close to building a whole new engine. In the same way replacing your car's transmission is a lot of effort but not nearly as much as trying to construct and entirely new transmission from scratch.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 18:46:44 GMT
You have assumptions pulled out of your rear end. So I take your statement with the same grain of salt as people who claim the earth is flat simply because they look at the horizon and can't see a curve. By the great Mac Walters
"As much as some people say they loved the ending, we also know that it wasn't what some people were looking for. We misstepped there" Admission of fault. Subtly, quietly, but admission of fault nonetheless. And EA has a history of closing studios for less. By all means it sold well and EA who controls BioWare has green lit them for another Mass Effect game. If it was such a failure with no one wanting it you can be sure EA would use it's power to veto any further mass effect game and to focus on something with more potential profit. It was. And then Bioware revived it. At great expense to the studio's creative freedom. Which eventually led to some departures. You might have seen them the other day. I only knew about one of them, to be honest, though. That said the nature of Andromeda and going to another galaxy this is more a fan issue with BioWare. People didn't show up. That's the issue. If people don't show up for your game, it's not people's fault. There's nothing forcing people to buy a game and calling it a fan issue, doesn't fix it for Bioware. If Bioware has a fan issue, then it's up to Bioware to fix that issue. Otherwise fans will continue not buying Bioware's games. It's not illegal. I don't understand, are you trying to guilt me into buying a Bioware game that Bioware doesn't want me buying? As the lead up to Andromeda's announcement I have had countless conversations were I bring up the idea of BioWare selecting specific choices from the OT to build Androemda's story off of. And 99.999% of the hundreds if not thousands of replies across various forums and social media were strongly if not ear piercingly against the idea of specific choices being selected to build the basis of Andromeda's story even if they were only used to frame certain things.
For example Wrex being leader and the Gehophage being cured altering the dynamic of how the races of the galaxy view the Krogan in a more positive light. Which would open up the Krogan to more development as the Krogan can be some what divided between the older ones that want to hold onto the old ways and the younger ones who see the benefit of Wrex's ideology. Showing the generational differences as they still struggle with adapting to new ideas and long held beliefs clashing and conflicting.
This was unacceptable because their choices in the OT are treated like holy gospel of god and a fundamental aspect of reality. Which is a mentality that never and will never make sense to me. As I fully support the choices I made in the OT but I would not throw a shit fit if they picked other choices to build the new world and narrative of a new series. I'm not that fucking narcissistic that I fly into a rage at the idea of my choices not being picked in a video game. I don't care about the choices. They're effectively consequences of non-choices. If it means making a game that allows me to have fun, good, fuck the choices. I find it silly to come to that decision almost 9 years after the original problem and more so from the "mentally challenged" Bioware screeching about Artistic Integrity, when in fact that isn't an issue and never was an issue to begin with, but hey, better late than never. Once again you do not seem to understand the concept of artistic integrity and you seem to think that mob rule is always correct and the artist has to bow down to mod rule and can never stand by what they did. I am not calling the mob infallible, I am calling the artist not infallible. There's a difference. If I make a choice that lands me on the street, or dead, I made the call and it was a bad call. I am not going to call "artistic integrity" on the world, because I killed myself. That's delusional. How did you manage to jump that shark during a pandemic? I would have figured that places like that would be closed. You have this habit of making a lot of really broad assumptions with no proof and thinking your opinion is 100% factual. You go far beyond the normal opinion based statements. The fact you even once said that there is no such thing as head canon makes me wonder if you are just being a troll for trolls sake and that I should treat you like one What part of that do you have a problem with? Because "Artistic Integrity" dictates an uncompromised stance toward your vision, regardless of repercussions and when we are talking about a company that employees hundreds of people, it basically says that because of this decision we made and the repercussions of it, some of you may lose your job. Is this not a reality? Reminds me of that Zap Brannigan quote, from Futurama. "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make". And yeah, I don't believe in headcanon. Personal stance, I find it to be a crutch, a coping mechanism. Personal stance, because I was asked on a personal level. If you have a different opinion, power to you. No this is about someone trying to excuse the poor performance and issues on PS4 and One consoles because they were busy making a new engine for the game. Which they didn't make a new engine as upgrades while still heavy work is not as close to building a whole new engine. In the same way replacing your car's transmission is a lot of effort but not nearly as much as trying to construct and entirely new transmission from scratch. You're right. I imagine it to be pretty terrible on the PS4/XBONE.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 12, 2020 20:55:33 GMT
If they are setting up a next game under one canon, why not? Yeah they can say alternate universes, it was your story or any number of things. But one ending that lines up with your new setting is easy. But it isn't needed. Eldar Scrolls does this all the damn time with every single game. Making another drink wasn't needed, but I did it anyways because it tasted good.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:08:18 GMT
If I make a choice that lands me on the street, or dead, I made the call and it was a bad call. I am not going to call "artistic integrity" on the world, because I killed myself. That's delusional. dead
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 13, 2020 13:58:56 GMT
But it isn't needed. Eldar Scrolls does this all the damn time with every single game. Making another drink wasn't needed, but I did it anyways because it tasted good. That isn't remotely close to this situation. A better analogy would be you choosing to cancel everyone else's drink at the restaurant you are at with people while ordering one of your own.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 13, 2020 16:03:13 GMT
Making another drink wasn't needed, but I did it anyways because it tasted good. That isn't remotely close to this situation. A better analogy would be you choosing to cancel everyone else's drink at the restaurant you are at with people while ordering one of your own. Nope. They can make any changes they want and its not taking anything from you. You still have your games. If they decide one cohesive ending is better for the franchise they can and should do it.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 13, 2020 17:10:51 GMT
That happens if you have a low EMS score and you pick Destroy. So... And seeing as how the Reapers are dead in the next ME game.... Sucks to be you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Low EMS has more out right damage but still retains the "And we recovered in a single life time" set up. I swear I have seen all the EMS endings but if I'm clearly missing one please give me a link to watch it. Obviously a reference to his direct response about the ending of ME.... Yes and you are trying to use the term artistic integrity as a low key insult as if creating something you envisioned and standing by it is a bad thing. Now everyone has opinions and with few exceptions they are all perfectly valid. But going after artistic integrity is beyond simply having an opinion. That starts to stray into the narcissistic territory. By all means think it is terrible writing and a terrible ending. But do not act like your opinion is biblical gospel and someone is wrong for standing by what they created.
And just in case you try to pull the whole "a lot of people think this" as so many people before you have done. The popularity of an idea doesn't make it right nor correct only popular.
You can dislike a specific person's brand of artistic integrity. There is no specific brand of artistic integrity. Making something close to your original vision with criticism and feed back altering but not completely changing has no brand. What you seem to be confusing is your personal opinion of something. You do not have to like Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie Trilogy. But you can not call his artistic integrity into question nor use it as an insult.
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them. Because they think their opinions, reason and logic are the gospel of god. And this is were I personally draw issue. By all means you are absolutely free to think it is the most shitty writing by the most amateur writer and programed by people who wouldn't know a mouse pad from a panda's furry ass hole. I might disagree with you but that is simply an opinion and just as valid as my own. However as soon as you start attacking artistic integrity you go from having your own personal opinion that is completely valid into whinny narcissistic man/woman baby territory.
oh you mean the ending HE created? With super Mac? That was so poorly received EA basically twisted their arm into amending after, as a final Fuck you to the fans he said "you don't like it because you don't understand it?" Yeah sure, art for art's sake I would agree with you but this is a product we pay for and he is basically a trained monkey dancing for our entertainment suffering of delusions of grandeur
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 17:18:56 GMT
Yeah sure, art for art's sake I would agree with you but this is a product we pay for and he is basically a trained monkey dancing for our entertainment suffering of delusions of grandeur Harsh. True, but harsh.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 13, 2020 17:29:57 GMT
Low EMS has more out right damage but still retains the "And we recovered in a single life time" set up. I swear I have seen all the EMS endings but if I'm clearly missing one please give me a link to watch it. Yes and you are trying to use the term artistic integrity as a low key insult as if creating something you envisioned and standing by it is a bad thing. Now everyone has opinions and with few exceptions they are all perfectly valid. But going after artistic integrity is beyond simply having an opinion. That starts to stray into the narcissistic territory. By all means think it is terrible writing and a terrible ending. But do not act like your opinion is biblical gospel and someone is wrong for standing by what they created.
And just in case you try to pull the whole "a lot of people think this" as so many people before you have done. The popularity of an idea doesn't make it right nor correct only popular.
There is no specific brand of artistic integrity. Making something close to your original vision with criticism and feed back altering but not completely changing has no brand. What you seem to be confusing is your personal opinion of something. You do not have to like Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie Trilogy. But you can not call his artistic integrity into question nor use it as an insult.
As stated above the only people who get upset by a creator standing by what they created are narcissistic man/woman babies who can't stand the idea that the creator doesn't 100% agree with them. Because they think their opinions, reason and logic are the gospel of god. And this is were I personally draw issue. By all means you are absolutely free to think it is the most shitty writing by the most amateur writer and programed by people who wouldn't know a mouse pad from a panda's furry ass hole. I might disagree with you but that is simply an opinion and just as valid as my own. However as soon as you start attacking artistic integrity you go from having your own personal opinion that is completely valid into whinny narcissistic man/woman baby territory.
oh you mean the ending HE created? With super Mac? That was so poorly received EA basically twisted their arm into amending after, as a final Fuck you to the fans he said "you don't like it because you don't understand it?" Yeah sure, art for art's sake I would agree with you but this is a product we pay for and he is basically a trained monkey dancing for our entertainment suffering of delusions of grandeur
Do you have proof that EA twisted their arm to create the Extended Cut?
As for the "you don't understand it" the more and more I talk to people the more and more I feel that sentiment has a lot of truth to it. The catalyst says that peace doesn't last and synthetics will win in a war. And players point to 5 minutes of truce during the Reaper war as proof the Catalyst is wrong. Which isn't even the argument the Catalyst is making.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 17:34:14 GMT
As for the "you don't understand it" the more and more I talk to people the more and more I feel that sentiment has a lot of truth to it. The catalyst says that peace doesn't last and synthetics will win in a war. And players point to 5 minutes of truce during the Reaper war as proof the Catalyst is wrong. Which isn't even the argument the Catalyst is making. Let's assume, for a moment, that the Catalyst is correct. And it is correct in creating the Reapers to kill organics, before they invent synthetics that wipe all organic life out. Have you seen the universe?
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Post by ahglock on Dec 13, 2020 21:05:45 GMT
oh you mean the ending HE created? With super Mac? That was so poorly received EA basically twisted their arm into amending after, as a final Fuck you to the fans he said "you don't like it because you don't understand it?" Yeah sure, art for art's sake I would agree with you but this is a product we pay for and he is basically a trained monkey dancing for our entertainment suffering of delusions of grandeur
Do you have proof that EA twisted their arm to create the Extended Cut?
As for the "you don't understand it" the more and more I talk to people the more and more I feel that sentiment has a lot of truth to it. The catalyst says that peace doesn't last and synthetics will win in a war. And players point to 5 minutes of truce during the Reaper war as proof the Catalyst is wrong. Which isn't even the argument the Catalyst is making.
I would say that is not a position of them not understanding the ending, just disagreeing with the catalysts statements. Saying you don't get it implies there is some super subtle secret that people didn't pick up on. Not that they heard it, understood it and thought it was full of crap. In this case I sort of agree in that just because we got along with the Geth for a bit doesn't mean we always will, and when they do come at the organics they will hard, they pretty much wiped out the quarians going well past just winning the day and driving them off. And if its not the geth it wold be some other robot.
And anyways but then destroy extra works, just refine it so it works a bit better with the relays and purge the galaxy every year of all AI. It can be a galaxy wide holiday.
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Post by Spectr61 on Dec 14, 2020 21:41:10 GMT
Is it possible that Mssr. Hudson has pulled off the unlikely feat of falling on his own sword - twice? The first time when he originally left after the endings debacle. And now the second time; presumptively after EA, recognizing the value in the ME brand, directs further ME content with a change to "Hudson's endings"? In response, Hudson falls on his sword - again? Nah, much more likely, he was put to the sword. Bon Voyage, and don't call again.
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Post by degrees on Dec 16, 2020 7:12:57 GMT
Personally think his best years are well behind him, but much respect in his work on probably my favourite franchise.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 16, 2020 14:51:59 GMT
The thing I find most appalling about the ME3 ending that I see very few people talking about, especially when they hide behind their artistic integrity, is the outright plagiarism involved in the endings. And furthermore, the baiting and trolling that Casey Hudson did about it before the ME3 release. This is the ending to the original Dues Ex. deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_endingsAnd this is proof that not only did he play it himself, but that he was listening to the soundtrack while working on Mass Effect 3. Artistic Integrity my ass.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 16, 2020 15:39:47 GMT
Art is frequently inspired by art.
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