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Post by legbamel on Dec 12, 2020 16:34:15 GMT
When is Felicia Day ever not cast as essentially Felicia Day?
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Post by adonniel on Dec 26, 2020 17:26:46 GMT
Aside from the minor appearances and perhaps mentions in letters, I don't want to see any of the previous trilogy characters. I want a brand new team to play with. Yes, even Cullen, although, I am his fan and he is my no.1 romance in all three games. Most of the time, these characters re-appearing tends to leave me disappointed anyway because they behave weird. I'm still puzzling which zombie had eaten Earl Teagan's brain.
That being said, I sincerely hope they won't kill Cullen in some hole off screen. Just give him a decent retirement. I tend to like him visually anyway so if there is a dire need for a few lines, I really don't mind another voice actor saying them. But, that comes from someone with a poor ear for music. Unless the voice is completely different, I'd probably be duped anyway and not notice a new person saying the lines behind the screen as long as the character looks the same and the his behaviour isn't different from what he normally does.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 26, 2020 18:19:28 GMT
I don't want to see any of the previous trilogy characters. But what if those characters makes sense? I mean if Dorian and Sten as new Arishok for example won´t have major role this would be strange. A new writer who hadn´t any idea who Teagan was. Teagan in Trespasser was bad. Really bad. I get the idea what the Trespasser story requires someone who supports the dissolutions of the Inquisiton but why Teagan?
He has too antagonistic and doesn´t make sense especially with the Grey Wardens but Bioware wanted someone to criticise the Inquisitor for supporting the Wardens. Also Bioware wanted to have another chancellor Roderick but failed to show Rodericks good moments. So yeah i like Roderick at the end because he had evolved unlike Teagan who is just an arsehole who never should be a politician. That is my biggest fear that they just kill him off. Any Games, TV Series or Movies had done it.
I really don´t think that DA 4 has a dire need for Cullen. Just replace him with another character like Captain Rylen.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 26, 2020 19:02:47 GMT
I think I may be the only DA fan who doesn’t really have an issue with Teagan’s role in Trespasser.
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Post by adonniel on Dec 26, 2020 22:46:07 GMT
But what if those characters makes sense? I mean if Dorian and Sten as new Arishok for example won´t have major role this would be strange. This sentence got chopped in half and started with 'aside.' For example, I found Alistair's letters to Inky at the war table pretty funny, but he was far enough detached from the scenario. But I can't say I would have been excited to have him as a party member again. Plus, this opens another can of warms with the romancing factors. Like Leli was in Inky's circle, but off the romance table because Warden was there in the past. I can imagine meeting Dorian or Stenishok given the scenario, but I do not want them to be a part of my hero's inner group or to play a major role. However, I wouldn't put it past the writers to corner us into another Hawke or Alistair scenario on a broad political scale, such as you've got a choice to screw Tevinter or the Qunari, and Dorian or Sten with it. They can bring Rylen in all they want. I like that sexy sarcasm! Bah, come on that's a cheap shot killing an awesome character off just because of a petty disagreement with the voicing actor. Teagan could have made his points and opposed Inquisition without being an ass. Like he could have given them credit for clearing his lands of bandits and said 'thanks, but you've overstayed your welcome.' His points were so badly presented and I don't believe his complaints were baseless just said very wrong. Sounded like a drunk in a tavern not a noble.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 27, 2020 4:28:53 GMT
When is Felicia Day ever not cast as essentially Felicia Day? Veronica....Tallis...Zojja... I mean, her voice is recognizable but for the most part she does well with her roles. Her use as stunt casting though is pretty much a blessing and curse for people though.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 27, 2020 15:04:39 GMT
I'm not even sure what Darrah is going to do. Or why this is a problem? Are they doing cancel culture because Ellis is right-wing? That sounds stupid.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 27, 2020 15:16:40 GMT
But what if those characters makes sense? I mean if Dorian and Sten as new Arishok for example won´t have major role this would be strange. This sentence got chopped in half and started with 'aside.' For example, I found Alistair's letters to Inky at the war table pretty funny, but he was far enough detached from the scenario. But I can't say I would have been excited to have him as a party member again. Plus, this opens another can of warms with the romancing factors. Like Leli was in Inky's circle, but off the romance table because Warden was there in the past. I can imagine meeting Dorian or Stenishok given the scenario, but I do not want them to be a part of my hero's inner group or to play a major role. However, I wouldn't put it past the writers to corner us into another Hawke or Alistair scenario on a broad political scale, such as you've got a choice to screw Tevinter or the Qunari, and Dorian or Sten with it. They can bring Rylen in all they want. I like that sexy sarcasm! Bah, come on that's a cheap shot killing an awesome character off just because of a petty disagreement with the voicing actor. Teagan could have made his points and opposed Inquisition without being an ass. Like he could have given them credit for clearing his lands of bandits and said 'thanks, but you've overstayed your welcome.' His points were so badly presented and I don't believe his complaints were baseless just said very wrong. Sounded like a drunk in a tavern not a noble.
He's much less of an ass if you talk to him beforehand and agree that the Inquisition has served it's role. Plus, I'm a little confused about Crestwood. It's not like the Mayor or any noble has petitioned to reclaim the castle.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 27, 2020 15:38:57 GMT
I can imagine meeting Dorian or Stenishok given the scenario, but I do not want them to be a part of my hero's inner group or to play a major role. However, I wouldn't put it past the writers to corner us into another Hawke or Alistair scenario on a broad political scale, such as you've got a choice to screw Tevinter or the Qunari, and Dorian or Sten with it. It depends on the DA 4 story. Also after the DAI which was pretty save (i had most time Stroud which i liked but he has no Hawke so who cares) so yeah i not against more death in DA 4 but have to be meaningful.
Like i said this won´t be the first time. Remember Two and a Half Men or Rosesanne?
I'm not even sure what Darrah is going to do. Or why this is a problem? Are they doing cancel culture because Ellis is right-wing? That sounds stupid. Have you read the Kotaku article which is linked on first post? I assume you don´t.
Greg Ellis has (very likely) been canceled because of his previous behavior, his feud with Darrah and most important because he had use
the Cullen persona for his own agenda. It doesn´t matter if he is right-wing or left-wing. For this stuff he had he won´t getting another job at Bioware / EA and likely in the videogame industry.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 28, 2020 23:09:45 GMT
I can imagine meeting Dorian or Stenishok given the scenario, but I do not want them to be a part of my hero's inner group or to play a major role. However, I wouldn't put it past the writers to corner us into another Hawke or Alistair scenario on a broad political scale, such as you've got a choice to screw Tevinter or the Qunari, and Dorian or Sten with it. It depends on the DA 4 story. Also after the DAI which was pretty save (i had most time Stroud which i liked but he has no Hawke so who cares) so yeah i not against more death in DA 4 but have to be meaningful.
Like i said this won´t be the first time. Remember Two and a Half Men or Rosesanne?
I'm not even sure what Darrah is going to do. Or why this is a problem? Are they doing cancel culture because Ellis is right-wing? That sounds stupid. Have you read the Kotaku article which is linked on first post? I assume you don´t.
Greg Ellis has (very likely) been canceled because of his previous behavior, his feud with Darrah and most important because he had use
the Cullen persona for his own agenda. It doesn´t matter if he is right-wing or left-wing. For this stuff he had he won´t getting another job at Bioware / EA and likely in the videogame industry.
Kotaku is well known for clickbait, and for being poorly sourced. I don't take what they say at face value.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 29, 2020 1:49:32 GMT
Lol, that's what "gamers" say about every website that dares to even acknowledge bigotry in the culture or the industry.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 29, 2020 19:08:43 GMT
Kotaku is well known for clickbait, and for being poorly sourced. I don't take what they say at face value. First do you really have to quote my whole post for this? Just cut it. Second it doesn´t matter what our opinion on Kotaku is. Just read the article or somewhere else. But my guess is that you won´t do that.
So i wasted my time because you don´t care. By the way in the Kotaku article they listed besides some context just the Ellis tweets. But let me also guess? Fake News.
So No it doesn´t have anything to do from which political spectrum Ellis is. He is just an unprofessional idiot who jeopardizes his career and will not be hired by Bioware or EA again. And you know what Greg Ellis deserves this because it was his own fault.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 30, 2020 9:13:34 GMT
So No it doesn´t have anything to do from which political spectrum Ellis is. He is just an unprofessional idiot who jeopardizes his career and will not be hired by Bioware or EA again. And you know what Greg Ellis deserves this because it was his own fault. Sooo...cancel culture is the best solution? Semi-on-topic I want them to bring Cullen back as a balding vet just to troll fangirls (and boys). As for VA I'm sure Bio/EA can find a suitable replacement if the need arises.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 30, 2020 9:29:40 GMT
Sooo...cancel culture is the best solution? Have you read Greg Ellis Tweets or seen his deleted video? My guess is no because the obvious answer is in this case of course Yes.
By the way this wasn´t the first time there Ellis misbehave.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 30, 2020 13:07:50 GMT
By the way this wasn´t the first time there Ellis misbehave. As someone else alluded to maybe the dude has some mental health issues...dunno. I'll go out on a limb and guess there's a lot more to this than we know...so I'm not a big fan of torching people (either one of them in this case) without all the info. I miss the good ol' days when people could just ignore one another...now we have to try and destroy peoples' lives whose statements/opinions' we find distasteful. Just can't get behind that mentality. I'm content to call a person a moron and move on.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 30, 2020 15:18:55 GMT
Please.
If it was a well-known proponent of progressive/leftist policies and beliefs, everyone in here who's defending Ellis now would be calling for that person's head on a spike, not crying about "cancel culture" or throwing the genuinely mentally ill under the bus by associating their condition with open bigotry. Where was your outrage on behalf of literally every female game developer who spoke up about about sexism in the industry? That's what I'd like to know.
Assuming Ellis even has/had a role in the upcoming Dragon Age in the first place (and there's no proof of that besides his own word, which is historically unreliable), what the hell do you consider to be ample grounds for dismissal if publicly slandering a former colleague doesn't cut it?
The idea that BioWare secretly just wants to oust him for his insane backward views about literally everything is just pure, uncut lunacy. They've already been extremely lenient with him in the past for his repeated violation of NDAs! They don't need to make up excuses.
Ellis' life is far from "ruined", it's not likely that he'll face any serious consequences for his behaviour at all. But if it is ruined, he did it to himself. Nobody is entitled to a career, least of all in acting. If people choose not to work with you because you have a history of being a dipshit, that's not "cancel culture", that's the natural consequences of being a dipshit.
Millions of people around the world are jobless right now, and suffering much worse than Ellis without having done half as much to deserve it. Don't see anyone shedding any tears about that.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 30, 2020 15:52:13 GMT
Pretty much, yeah. At some point the answer to "do I want to work with this guy any more?" becomes no.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 30, 2020 15:58:47 GMT
Ellis' life is far from "ruined", it's not likely that he'll face any serious consequences for his behaviour at all. I don´t know. Maybe his Cullen video had serious and legal consequences for him. Edit: Found it.
Exactly. This has nothing to do with cancel culture. Also he isn´t really fired. Bioware and likely EA won´t cast him again in any game in future.
To be fair this isn´t a big loss for the games industry or Ellis himself. Like you said he will be fine unlike millions of other americans.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Dec 31, 2020 14:35:07 GMT
When is Felicia Day ever not cast as essentially Felicia Day? It's certainly been a while though !
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 11, 2021 6:12:06 GMT
Quick off topic question I know I'm out of the loop on this stuff but is there an issue with Adam Baldwin?
Back on topic though Ellis didnt do himself any favors with his attack on Mark Im honestly surprised He didnt get the boot sooner to be honest hes not that good a VA in my opinion Adam Howland is better.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 11, 2021 16:25:45 GMT
Quick off topic question I know I'm out of the loop on this stuff but is there an issue with Adam Baldwin? Back on topic though Ellis didnt do himself any favors with his attack on Mark Im honestly surprised He didnt get the boot sooner to be honest hes not that good a VA in my opinion Adam Howland is better. Without going too deep into Adam Baldwin, lets just say Twitter comments showed his true colors for a lot of people.
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Quick off topic question I know I'm out of the loop on this stuff but is there an issue with Adam Baldwin? Back on topic though Ellis didnt do himself any favors with his attack on Mark Im honestly surprised He didnt get the boot sooner to be honest hes not that good a VA in my opinion Adam Howland is better. Without going too deep into Adam Baldwin, lets just say Twitter comments showed his true colors for a lot of people. Oh ok Twitter strikes again lol.
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Post by mugwump on Jan 14, 2021 0:49:14 GMT
Please. If it was a well-known proponent of progressive/leftist policies and beliefs, everyone in here who's defending Ellis now would be calling for that person's head on a spike, not crying about "cancel culture" or throwing the genuinely mentally ill under the bus by associating their condition with open bigotry. Where was your outrage on behalf of literally every female game developer who spoke up about about sexism in the industry? That's what I'd like to know. Horsehit Panda. Absolute horseshit.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 14, 2021 2:56:13 GMT
Please. If it was a well-known proponent of progressive/leftist policies and beliefs, everyone in here who's defending Ellis now would be calling for that person's head on a spike, not crying about "cancel culture" or throwing the genuinely mentally ill under the bus by associating their condition with open bigotry. Where was your outrage on behalf of literally every female game developer who spoke up about about sexism in the industry? That's what I'd like to know. Horsehit Panda. Absolute horseshit. So show me the posts where you spoke up in support of women in gaming industry and culture who claim to have experienced sexism and harrassment. Except you can't, because you don't do that, because *at best* you don't care. Hell, you literally tried the "mental illness" defense earlier in this very thread. On what legitimate basis do you deem Ellis to be unwell, given your earlier open admittance that you hadn't bothered to look into it for yourself, or even read all of what other people were saying?
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