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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2020 23:42:54 GMT
Trailer views aside, remember that Inquisition was both their best-selling and best-recieved game BioWare has put out.
What are your thoughts on the sorts of statements I've been reading here today about how that was merely the case due to steep discounts? I don't know that I buy that narrative given it was also their best launch, wasn't it?
Sales data is the sort of thing I don't typically hear through the grapevine. But I've never heard anything to refute that it genuinely did do well.
Yes, it was their most successful launch as well.
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 12, 2020 23:47:57 GMT
What are your thoughts on the sorts of statements I've been reading here today about how that was merely the case due to steep discounts? I don't know that I buy that narrative given it was also their best launch, wasn't it?
Sales data is the sort of thing I don't typically hear through the grapevine. But I've never heard anything to refute that it genuinely did do well.
Yes, it was their most successful launch as well.
Roger that, thanks.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 0:06:20 GMT
I'm going to sound like a broken record at this point so I'll just drop it. Things aren't as rosy and clear as some people think. Feel free to think otherwise, if it helps you in some capacity.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2020 0:21:44 GMT
Geoff Keighley @geoffkeighley Ten years ago @caseydhudson and I worked together to reveal Mass Effect 3 at the Spike VGAs.
This year, it was fun to work with him @gamblemike and the @bioware team on this new Mass Effect reveal moment.
Good luck with what's next Casey!
This trailer is a great example of a great collaboration between the show and the studio -- it went through a number of revision and tweaks based on what would play best at TGA.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2020 0:23:33 GMT
ZeroTheDreaded @zerothedreaded @drewkarpyshyn are you apart of this new mass effect or nah? I really need you to be.
Drew Karpyshyn @drewkarpyshyn Sorry, but I haven’t been involved with #MassEffect since the second game in the series.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 13, 2020 0:40:06 GMT
Trailer views aside, remember that Inquisition was both their best-selling and best-recieved game BioWare has put out.
What are your thoughts on the sorts of statements I've been reading here today about how that was merely the case due to steep discounts? I don't know that I buy that narrative given it was also their best launch, wasn't it?
Sales data is the sort of thing I don't typically hear through the grapevine. But I've never heard anything to refute that it genuinely did do well.
When is the last time we got actual, real sales numbers, in units sold, for any of it? Best launch is a possibly heavily slanted PR term to mean something other than "massively huge box office hit"
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 1:00:52 GMT
When is the last time we got actual, real sales numbers, in units sold, for any of it? Best launch is a possibly heavily slanted PR term to mean something other than "massively huge box office hit" It was Mark Darrah, I think, when asked that said it was in terms of sales. Let's not push it further. Please.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 13, 2020 1:45:25 GMT
ZeroTheDreaded @zerothedreaded@drewkarpyshyn are you apart of this new mass effect or nah? I really need you to be. Drew Karpyshyn @drewkarpyshynSorry, but I haven’t been involved with #MassEffect since the second game in the series. Any idea what writers are or could be involved?
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2020 1:51:55 GMT
ZeroTheDreaded @zerothedreaded@drewkarpyshyn are you apart of this new mass effect or nah? I really need you to be. Drew Karpyshyn @drewkarpyshynSorry, but I haven’t been involved with #MassEffect since the second game in the series. Any idea what writers are or could be involved? I'll have to check. I know Dusty Everman is the Narrative Designer. Edit: It doesn't look like John Dombrow, Cathleen Rootsaert, or Chris Schlerf are on it. John is on Dragon Age 4 right now, so he might move over afterward?
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Post by bshep on Dec 13, 2020 2:35:45 GMT
Just lurk around Gamble's twitter. He was naming people involved with the new Mass Effect.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 13, 2020 5:01:35 GMT
It’s also fair to notice that the 2018 teaser was just a concept. Putting aside ME being more popular, I think having Liara in it was clearly going to make people at least curious about it...if anything else, for the implications of her presence. It's looking increasingly like nothing DA does would make it more popular than ME. /
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 13, 2020 5:55:29 GMT
Just lurk around Gamble's twitter. He was naming people involved with the new Mass Effect. Great.
So he is the new DON? Naming names doesn't always turn out good.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 13, 2020 6:57:48 GMT
It looks to me IF those angles are correct that no time has passed. Which can't be possible. Even though Andromeda spins slower than the Milky Way... Which makes sense -since the MW Black Hole is smaller than the one in Andromeda.
Which implies that depending on the amount of matter -both light and dark and dark energy in both galaxies... And how they react to the Super Massive Black Hole size of both galaxies... And since time is known to slow as speed gets faster toward the speed of light.
Not to mention time dilatation can be a tricky thing. So maybe a different rate of time could pass for each galaxy. So... maybe its 1350 years for Andromeda and only 700 years for Milky Way... Most have not caught on to the Super Massive Black Hole gravitational effect upon a whole galaxy. OR how this can effect EVERYTHING in a galaxy when in conjunction with dark Matter & Energy. Just look at the difference with to without: No doubting that a Super Massive Black Hole has a profound gravitation effect on ALL of us. Especially though symbiosis with Dark Matter and Energy. Just imagine the speed of Earths' star being one of those points of light... Now as to whether that actually means a different rate of time goes by... That is impossible to test since we are tethered to Earth's gravity well. We would need a station here and one in Andromeda and they would have to have instantaneous communication.
To even claim we know time doesn't differ that much between the two galaxies.
To believe otherwise is just an arrogant human trait.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 13, 2020 7:50:46 GMT
Maybe a pair of mass relays are set up that link the Milky Way with Andromeda, but it accidentally introduces the Scourge to the MW. We then have to split our time between damage control in the MW and investigating the source of the Scourge in Andromeda. It would establish a threat to the galaxy fit to follow the Reapers, and explain why Liara is involved, as we know she has an interest in studying precursor civilisations. It would also make an effort to tie up some of the loose ends set up in MEA. The Scourge doesn't really have a reason to exist in the Milky Way. We've seen it targets Remnant technology exclusively. It could be introduced to the Milky Way if maybe the AI used Remnant tech to build the Mass Relay to the MW but, once it got there, the Scourge wouldn't have a reason to expand. It has been some time but doesn't MEA state that the scourge was the result of something that happened locally in the Heleus cluster? Not entirely sure right now, but how would they know? We didn't 'look' outside that cluster and only know for sure that it happened around the time the crucible was used. Just a wild theory though, when I thought about how could you combine both plots. More likely it has nothing to do with it though, because in Andromeda it was thought of being a reason for the Jaardan's departure in its own battle with an unknown enemy. There are messages you can find on Khi Tasira that SAM translates (I think it's based on how much Remnant vocabulary you manage to gather along the way) which explain that the Scourge was a weapon detonated there by someone who wasn't agreeing with what the Jardaan were doing. Sure, it could exist outside the cluster, seeing as how the Jardaan fled maybe the Scourge followed them for a while, but there's no reason for it to exist outside Andromeda (unless the Jardaan fled the galaxy altogether). The game also makes it clear the Scourge attacks Remnant tech exclusively. Also I don't think it happened around the time the Crucible was used. The Remnant buildings on Habitat 7 are around 200-300 years old. The Crucible fired over 600 years prior. Whenever the Scourge appeared, it was a few centuries after the Crucible. You could say that's how long it too for it to reach Andromeda because it was shot through the Mass Relays but then it would have had to appear after the AI reached Andromeda, because they left the MW through a Mass Relay before ME started. The Kett had been around Heleus for 60 or 80 years already, and they showed up long after the Scourge hit, if the Angara don't remember the Jardaan.
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Post by bshep on Dec 13, 2020 8:30:03 GMT
The Scourge doesn't really have a reason to exist in the Milky Way. We've seen it targets Remnant technology exclusively. It could be introduced to the Milky Way if maybe the AI used Remnant tech to build the Mass Relay to the MW but, once it got there, the Scourge wouldn't have a reason to expand. There are messages you can find on Khi Tasira that SAM translates (I think it's based on how much Remnant vocabulary you manage to gather along the way) which explain that the Scourge was a weapon detonated there by someone who wasn't agreeing with what the Jardaan were doing. Sure, it could exist outside the cluster, seeing as how the Jardaan fled maybe the Scourge followed them for a while, but there's no reason for it to exist outside Andromeda (unless the Jardaan fled the galaxy altogether). The game also makes it clear the Scourge attacks Remnant tech exclusively. Also I don't think it happened around the time the Crucible was used. The Remnant buildings on Habitat 7 are around 200-300 years old. The Crucible fired over 600 years prior. Whenever the Scourge appeared, it was a few centuries after the Crucible. You could say that's how long it too for it to reach Andromeda because it was shot through the Mass Relays but then it would have had to appear after the AI reached Andromeda, because they left the MW through a Mass Relay before ME started. The Kett had been around Heleus for 60 or 80 years already, and they showed up long after the Scourge hit, if the Angara don't remember the Jardaan. I remember now about the carbon datations that Ryder and company do on Habitat 7 (thanks MEwikia). Definitely what happened was on Heleus while the Arks were in transit to Andromeda. There was even the planet with dexto aminoacid life they detected that somehow was destroyed between its detection from the Milky Way and the time of arrival in Andromeda.
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Post by traks on Dec 13, 2020 8:40:40 GMT
Maybe a pair of mass relays are set up that link the Milky Way with Andromeda, but it accidentally introduces the Scourge to the MW. We then have to split our time between damage control in the MW and investigating the source of the Scourge in Andromeda. It would establish a threat to the galaxy fit to follow the Reapers, and explain why Liara is involved, as we know she has an interest in studying precursor civilisations. It would also make an effort to tie up some of the loose ends set up in MEA. The Scourge doesn't really have a reason to exist in the Milky Way. We've seen it targets Remnant technology exclusively. It could be introduced to the Milky Way if maybe the AI used Remnant tech to build the Mass Relay to the MW but, once it got there, the Scourge wouldn't have a reason to expand. Not entirely sure right now, but how would they know? We didn't 'look' outside that cluster and only know for sure that it happened around the time the crucible was used. Just a wild theory though, when I thought about how could you combine both plots. More likely it has nothing to do with it though, because in Andromeda it was thought of being a reason for the Jaardan's departure in its own battle with an unknown enemy. There are messages you can find on Khi Tasira that SAM translates (I think it's based on how much Remnant vocabulary you manage to gather along the way) which explain that the Scourge was a weapon detonated there by someone who wasn't agreeing with what the Jardaan were doing. Sure, it could exist outside the cluster, seeing as how the Jardaan fled maybe the Scourge followed them for a while, but there's no reason for it to exist outside Andromeda (unless the Jardaan fled the galaxy altogether). The game also makes it clear the Scourge attacks Remnant tech exclusively. Also I don't think it happened around the time the Crucible was used. The Remnant buildings on Habitat 7 are around 200-300 years old. The Crucible fired over 600 years prior. Whenever the Scourge appeared, it was a few centuries after the Crucible. You could say that's how long it too for it to reach Andromeda because it was shot through the Mass Relays but then it would have had to appear after the AI reached Andromeda, because they left the MW through a Mass Relay before ME started. The Kett had been around Heleus for 60 or 80 years already, and they showed up long after the Scourge hit, if the Angara don't remember the Jardaan. I don't think it's ever stated that the scourge hit centuries after the crucible, but will look out for it on my current playthrough. Mass Effect history is only a 'what people think at that time'-history though and not set in stone. But I'm sure the writers have other ideas with the scourge if that mystery is ever solved in a later installment. As I wrote: it's just a wild thought, not a theory I truly believe nor want anyone else to convince of. I'm just having a little fun with new speculation.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 9:00:20 GMT
I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds. I'm genuinely shocked people STILL expect to play as Shepard. His/hers story is over.
Ryder's story, however isn't. Andromeda simply ended with immediate threat defeated, with a lot of open questions left. So yeah, ditching Ryder now would make disappointment justified.
Hmmm someone is grasping at air here. Destroy ending is canonized (stating the obvious: dead reapers everywhere) and in case anyone's minds have grown foggy or just being obtuse (which it seems) the destroy ending cutscene included very clearly Shepard breathing life back into him. You nor anyone here can claim that Shepard's story is over. Liara's wrinkles don't cut it. As I said earlier, no one can prove asari don't get wrinkles for being alive past 100 years. Makes sense to me wrinkles would appear regardless of a species lifespan after 100 years. Also, this is the most artistically detailed teaser in ME history. Wrinkles can just be artistic detail and nothing more. Also, this forum is tiny, and overall pro-Andromeda. It's cute. It really is. But outside of this forum, general fans are largely anticipating the return of Shepard. Check the comments of the ME5 trailer for starters. And they have many reasons not only to want Shepard back, but expect it. Nobody wants a new protagonist like how it is annoyingly in DA. And outside of this forum, most people despised Andromeda so Ryder would be baaaad marketing.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 9:30:47 GMT
Hopefully Mudskipper is as nimble as Nomad and has shields and armor of Mako... one can hope eh!? also Shepards story is over
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:06:52 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3.
Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 10:08:37 GMT
Hmmm someone is grasping at air here. Destroy ending is canonized (stating the obvious: dead reapers everywhere) and in case anyone's minds have grown foggy or just being obtuse (which it seems) the destroy ending cutscene included very clearly Shepard breathing life back into him. You nor anyone here can claim that Shepard's story is over. Liara's wrinkles don't cut it. As I said earlier, no one can prove asari don't get wrinkles for being alive past 100 years. Makes sense to me wrinkles would appear regardless of a species lifespan after 100 years. Also, this is the most artistically detailed teaser in ME history. Wrinkles can just be artistic detail and nothing more. Also, this forum is tiny, and overall pro-Andromeda. It's cute. It really is. But outside of this forum, general fans are largely anticipating the return of Shepard. Check the comments of the ME5 trailer for starters. And they have many reasons not only to want Shepard back, but expect it. Nobody wants a new protagonist like how it is annoyingly in DA. And outside of this forum, most people despised Andromeda so Ryder would be baaaad marketing. While I agree on MEA's reception, don't forget that Bioware always tries to please everyone. They can't just leave Andromeda's story hanging. It makes them look bad and they can't have that. I would bet money on them trying to combine both narrative strands. Get people excited again about a trilogy sequel and old faces while still trying to salvage the Ryder storyline. You CAN continue Andromeda without Ryder or even any of their crew. Or age them and make them look less naive and stupid. You can send the Milky Way to save Andromeda or something. Technically, the other way round makes more sense, provided colonisation is well on its way in the meantime... Andromeda could be a safe haven for the Milky Way refugees plagued by famine and whatnot as a result of the reaper carnage (if we forget that large parts of the Milky Way is unexplored too, that is). The biggest issue with MEA to people, I think, was the characters and the tone. The cringy jokes and whining at the first sign of trouble that made them look super unprofessional. In theory, Bioware can very well make a game that starts in the good old Milky Way and moves to Androemda at the end to deal with the kett in a more gritty way that fits the tone of the trilogy better. I wouldn't be surprised if players suddenly went from "Andromeda was a joke" to "Andromeda is awesome now that it's not run by clueless kids". The setting is just a framework. It's about what you fill it with. Mind you, I personally don't want any such crossover but I can very well see it as Bioware's solution to this huge gulf in popularity between these two galaxies. "Make Andromeda great again!" ...or great for the first time. In theory it sounds good enough. I doubt they can pull it off. But on paper I admit it sounds like a clever step forward.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:19:00 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. You really think the control and synthesis endings would leave giant reaper corpses lying around everywhere? If so, weird.. but then where's all the husks and giant reapers who are now citizens of the galaxy? OH!! Maybe we'll have a reaper as a squadmate in ME5... maybe we can even bang it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 10:23:29 GMT
OH!! Maybe we'll have a reaper as a squadmate in ME5... maybe we can even bang it. I'm listening.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:23:37 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. You really think the control and synthesis endings would leave giant reaper corpses lying around everywhere? If so, weird.. but then where's all the husks and giant reapers who are now citizens of the galaxy? OH!! Maybe we'll have a reaper as a squadmate in ME5... maybe we can even bang it. The trailer is one a deserted ice planet, so absolutely. We have ships and bodies trapped in ice from centuries ago that we haven’t retrieved on Earth.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:25:51 GMT
They can't just leave Andromeda's story hanging. It makes them look bad and they can't have that. I would bet money on them trying to combine both narrative strands. Get people excited again about a trilogy sequel and old faces while still trying to salvage the Ryder storyline. You CAN continue Andromeda without Ryder or even any of their crew. Or age them and make them look less naive and stupid. You can send the Milky Way to save Andromeda or something. Technically, the other way round makes more sense, provided colonisation is well on its way in the meantime... Andromeda could be a safe haven for the Milky Way refugees plagued by famine and whatnot as a result of the reaper carnage (if we forget that large parts of the Milky Way is unexplored too, that is). The biggest issue with MEA to people, I think, was the characters and the tone. The cringy jokes and whining at the first sign of trouble that made them look super unprofessional. In theory, Bioware can very well make a game that starts in the good old Milky Way and moves to Androemda at the end to deal with the kett in a more gritty way that fits the tone of the trilogy better. I wouldn't be surprised if players suddenly went from "Andromeda was a joke" to "Andromeda is awesome now that it's not run by clueless kids". The setting is just a framework. It's about what you fill it with. Mind you, I personally don't want any such crossover but I can very well see it as Bioware's solution to this huge gulf in popularity between these two galaxies. "Make Andromeda great again!" ...or great for the first time. In theory it sounds good enough. I doubt they can pull it off. But on paper I admit it sounds like a clever step forward. But Bioware already has left Andromeda hanging. There's no reason to be in Andromeda at all now that the war in the Milky Way was won. The whole point of the AI was to save the species of the Milky Way in case the Reapers won. I can see the MW species pulling out of Andromeda, because why bother fight the kett for planets when the Milky Way is still vastly unexplored and what is explored needs repairing after the war? But yes, you are so right.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:29:42 GMT
You really think the control and synthesis endings would leave giant reaper corpses lying around everywhere? If so, weird.. but then where's all the husks and giant reapers who are now citizens of the galaxy? OH!! Maybe we'll have a reaper as a squadmate in ME5... maybe we can even bang it. The trailer is one a deserted ice planet, so absolutely. We have ships and bodies trapped in ice from centuries ago that we haven’t retrieved on Earth. I'm sorry but no. Any other ending but destroy leaves us with giant reapers floating around. Then they could easily be used to wipe out the kett or any other problem making any further games completely boring. Destroy is canon, and with that Shepard's survival.
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