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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:34:13 GMT
The trailer is one a deserted ice planet, so absolutely. We have ships and bodies trapped in ice from centuries ago that we haven’t retrieved on Earth. I'm sorry but no. Any other ending but destroy leaves us with giant reapers floating around. Then they could easily be used to wipe out the kett or any other problem making any further games completely boring. Destroy is canon, and with that Shepard's survival. Easily? They’re entering a galaxy that never experienced their solution and developed completely differently. Even with the trap delayed and using their tech, our cycle put up a notable fight of about 1 Dreadnought killed for the cost of four of ours. And the Kett are a galactic empire considering the lore we learned. The ones we fought in MEA were a small deployment. The only ending not valid according to the trailer is Refuse, and even that could be under certain circumstances like it’s the MW people leaving.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 10:39:18 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. True, and most of the time this is what happens. They might keep some elements from it but maybe not all....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:41:08 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. True, and most of the time this is what happens. They might keep some elements from it but maybe not all.... Yeah. I’ve learned not to trust their trailers (or them at all really). Putting hope in those will just lead to disappointment.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 10:44:00 GMT
Something that i really like from the trailer is how it gives us something epic and hopeful. It's like both tones from the ot and andromeda merge together.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 10:49:08 GMT
But Bioware already has left Andromeda hanging. There's no reason to be in Andromeda at all now that the war in the Milky Way was won. The whole point of the AI was to save the species of the Milky Way in case the Reapers won. I can see the MW species pulling out of Andromeda, because why bother fight the kett for planets when the Milky Way is still vastly unexplored and what is explored needs repairing after the war? But yes, you are so right. Not really. No DLC does not mean Andromeda was abandoned altogether as a setting. We can still discover what happened to the quarians ark in the next ME game and such. So then maybe the Andromeda Initiative will be brought back home now that the reapers are gone, right. Makes sense. Not that this is in any way interesting or worthy of a game. So perhaps Bioware still wants to explore what the Jardaan are all about. And depending on what's really going on, Andromeda is a better or worse place for humanity. If Bioware does indeed decide to merge the two storylines, then it's going to be tricky to come up with a plot that doesn't seem like filler. Like they're just tying up loose ends in either of the galaxies.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:49:26 GMT
Something that i really like from the trailer is how it gives us something epic and hopeful. It's like both tones from the ot and andromeda merge together. I’ll take your word for it. I didn’t feel either of those things in the trailer.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 10:57:35 GMT
Control ending also doesn't mean the care bear reapers will be around forever. We saw them help repair stuff in the ending slides. Who says they didn't get deactivated afterwards?
Control is as viable aa destroy short term. For an easy reset it's even better than destroy because you can just say the reapers helped repair the relays in no time. So a hundred years in the future it's like nothing ever happened. I'd hate that but it's a possibility to continue in the Milky Way.
Only synthesis is a mine field. But I guess one could come up with some bullshit explanation why this isn't an utter nightmare, lol.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 10:58:15 GMT
Easily? They’re entering a galaxy that never experienced their solution and developed completely differently. Even with the trap delayed and using their tech, our cycle put up a notable fight of about 1 Dreadnought killed for the cost of four of ours. And the Kett are a galactic empire considering the lore we learned. The ones we fought in MEA were a small deployment. The only ending not valid according to the trailer is Refuse, and even that could be under certain circumstances like it’s the MW people leaving. A few things to consider - Space debris is dangerous for space travel and the MW seems to be littered with it. - If the Reapers where there, they would have cleaned the MW up from that debris, just to make safe travel for organics, or in the case of refuse, to cover their tracks from a successful harvesting. - While it is possible to have the Reapers up and leave back to dark space, why leave the carcasses of their fallen brothers? Why not take them back along and repair them? - Mudskipper is more function over form, giving way to the sleek designs of the pre-war era, for more grease and muscle designs, possibly to make it stand hits, meaning a lot of lawlessness in the MW, in addition to offering protection to the aforementioned space debris - It also looks like Reaper tech has not been "restarted" in any way. - Liara is not wearing any armor, just a cloak to shield herself from the elements, meaning her warrior days are over. She also looks significantly more aged. - This must be taking place at least a thousand years after ME3, unless Liara's apparent age is greatly exaggerated, for an asari. Meaning even Ryder and Co. in Andromeda would be long dead, except Peebee. - We do know that we will see Ryder, but it's probably going to be in Andromeda message broadcasts, that take that extra time to reach back to the Milky Way. - This way of handling Andromeda is going to be entirely unsatisfying to Andromeda fans, about as satisfying for fans of returning ME2 cast in ME3. If this is how Bioware intends to give you closure, don't expect to actually find it. Unless Liara finds time travel.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:58:53 GMT
True, and most of the time this is what happens. They might keep some elements from it but maybe not all.... Yeah. I’ve learned not to trust their trailers (or them at all really). Putting hope in those will just lead to disappointment. Honestly, I doubt BioWare put a dead reaper in the background for looks. I think a lot of you destroy deniers are already setting yourselves up for disappointment.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:01:07 GMT
Yeah. I’ve learned not to trust their trailers (or them at all really). Putting hope in those will just lead to disappointment. Honestly, I doubt BioWare put a dead reaper in the background for looks. I think a lot of you destroy deniers are already setting yourselves up for disappointment. Never said it was just for looks. I said it was to show it was after the Reaper War, and how regardless of ending chosen lots of Reapers were killed. So get your head out of your ass.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 11:02:35 GMT
Honestly, I doubt BioWare put a dead reaper in the background for looks. I think a lot of you destroy deniers are already setting yourselves up for disappointment. Never said it was just for looks. I said it was to show it was after the Reaper War, and how regardless of ending chosen lots of Reapers were killed. So get your head out of your ass. No need to be rude.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:06:17 GMT
Never said it was just for looks. I said it was to show it was after the Reaper War, and how regardless of ending chosen lots of Reapers were killed. So get your head out of your ass. No need to be rude. You're being rude my purposefully misconstruing other people's post so you can put them down, so follow your own advice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
Easily? They’re entering a galaxy that never experienced their solution and developed completely differently. Even with the trap delayed and using their tech, our cycle put up a notable fight of about 1 Dreadnought killed for the cost of four of ours. And the Kett are a galactic empire considering the lore we learned. The ones we fought in MEA were a small deployment. The only ending not valid according to the trailer is Refuse, and even that could be under certain circumstances like it’s the MW people leaving. A few things to consider - While it is possible to have the Reapers up and leave back to dark space, why leave the carcasses of their fallen brothers? Why not take them back along and repair them? - Liara is not wearing any armor, just a cloak to shield herself from the elements, meaning her warrior days are over. She also looks significantly more aged. - This must be taking place at least a thousand years after ME3, unless Liara's apparent age is greatly exaggerated, for an asari. Meaning even Ryder and Co. in Andromeda would be long dead, except Peebee. - We do know that we will see Ryder, but it's probably going to be in Andromeda message broadcasts, that take that extra time to reach back to the Milky Way. - This way of handling Andromeda is going to be entirely unsatisfying to Andromeda fans, about as satisfying for fans of returning ME2 cast in ME3. If this is how Bioware intends to give you closure, don't expect to actually find it. To address some of these: 1. Reapers have left their fallen comrades before. The Reaper corpse in ME2 was there for 37 million years, and the "Leviathan of Dis" was there for a billion years. 2. I think it's just better graphics. Asari only have a lifespan of 1,000 years so she can't be older than that. Also side note hope her not in protective gear is just for the trailer otherwise eww they're still ignoring the lore. 3. The Andromeda Initiative has QED communications with the Milky Way, so messages would be instantaneous. The only problem so far is that nobody on the Milky Way side has answered yet. 4. Most likely it will be disappointing. Every recent decision Bioware has made with the upcoming games so far has been.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 11:15:51 GMT
You're being rude my purposefully misconstruing other people's post so you can put them down, so follow your own advice. No, I'm trying to understand the leaps in logic you're using to defend your point of views with my own valid comments/observations that you seem adamant to disregard.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 11:19:03 GMT
Easily? They’re entering a galaxy that never experienced their solution and developed completely differently. Even with the trap delayed and using their tech, our cycle put up a notable fight of about 1 Dreadnought killed for the cost of four of ours. And the Kett are a galactic empire considering the lore we learned. The ones we fought in MEA were a small deployment. The only ending not valid according to the trailer is Refuse, and even that could be under certain circumstances like it’s the MW people leaving. - This must be taking place at least a thousand years after ME3, unless Liara's apparent age is greatly exaggerated, for an asari. Meaning even Ryder and Co. in Andromeda would be long dead, except Peebee. Unless Liara finds time travel. How ryder and co are gonna be dead? It seems we are 600 years after the reaper war, while the andromeda events happening or ended so that makes the crew alive, that's why liara looks more aged. Time travel is a possibility but dunno.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:22:51 GMT
You're being rude my purposefully misconstruing other people's post so you can put them down, so follow your own advice. No, I'm trying to understand the leaps in logic you're using to defend your point of views with my own valid comments/observations that you seem adamant to disregard. Yes, you did. You completely ignored what was easy to understand "Dead Reapers = Post-war regardless of endings" and responded with "lol you think it's something other than Destroy. You're stupid."
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Post by twalicious on Dec 13, 2020 11:26:42 GMT
Wait... what? People are openly denying the destroy ending from the teaser? It seems all but obvious to everyone else, especially on YouTube.
Of course, leave it to these forums to get in a tangle over anything. Lolol. Not much has changed since I was on forever ago.
That said I think the remaster will canonize the destroy ending and is why Casey left because the blue/red/green mess was his idea. Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. I have no idea how they're going to fix Andromeda and implement it without it ruining the game tbh
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:29:56 GMT
Wait... what? People are openly denying the destroy ending from the teaser? It seems all but obvious to everyone else, especially on YouTube. Of course, leave it to these forums to get in a tangle over anything. Lolol. Not much has changed since I was on forever ago. That said I think the remaster will canonize the destroy ending and is why Casey left because the blue/red/green mess was his idea. Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. I have no idea how they're going to fix Andromeda and implement it without it ruining the game tbh Well if people on YouTube say it, it must obviously be true. Only the wisest sages comment on YouTube.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 11:30:51 GMT
Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 11:33:59 GMT
1. Reapers have left their fallen comrades before. The Reaper corpse in ME2 was there for 37 million years, and the "Leviathan of Dis" was there for a billion years. One of those two was reduced to scrap metal and only TIM knew what it was, because he was actively looking for Reapers. As far as everything else goes, there was no trace of the reapers, other than those two in all the cycles. And now you have two, right next to each other, on a single planet and they're not even in that bad a shape. 2. I think it's just better graphics. Asari only have a lifespan of 1,000 years so she can't be older than that. Also side note hope her not in protective gear is just for the trailer otherwise eww they're still ignoring the lore. None of the near one thousand year old asari that we see (Aethyta, Benezia, Samara) come close to looking as old as Liara does in the teaser. Even considering better graphics, Chakwas looked wrinkled in the trilogy. Why couldn't Samara? Liara looks far older than any thousand year old asari we've seen. And it looks intentional. Or exaggerated. 3. The Andromeda Initiative has QED communications with the Milky Way, so messages would be instantaneous. The only problem so far is that nobody on the Milky Way side has answered yet. That's what I thought at first, too. But Liara's apparent age puts her way above any timeframe where Ryder would still be alive. At best, it's near 900 years after ME3. Ryder would be at least 50 years dead or so damn old, he'd be senile. Unless Liara's aging is exaggerated, she doesn't fit in a timeline where Ryder is young and hearty. 4. Most likely it will be disappointing. Every recent decision Bioware has made with the upcoming games so far has been. Exactly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:35:27 GMT
Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come? Because It seems Bioware becoming sellouts throwing away everything that made them good just to maximize profits was true.
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Post by twalicious on Dec 13, 2020 11:37:10 GMT
Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come? Where the hell is 600 years coming from? Looks like right after the war to me. Besides, BioWare's destroy ending not only shows Shep's chest rising as someone else mentioned but the scene with the grandpa and the kid asking about Shep. There's one more story. You think that was just fluff? You can't deny those and then hyperfocus on Liara's wrinkles. Lololol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:38:47 GMT
1. Reapers have left their fallen comrades before. The Reaper corpse in ME2 was there for 37 million years, and the "Leviathan of Dis" was there for a billion years. One of those two was reduced to scrap metal and only TIM knew what it was, because he was actively looking for Reapers. As far as everything else goes, there was no trace of the reapers, other than those two in all the cycles. And now you have two, right next to each other, on a single planet and they're not even in that bad a shape. 2. I think it's just better graphics. Asari only have a lifespan of 1,000 years so she can't be older than that. Also side note hope her not in protective gear is just for the trailer otherwise eww they're still ignoring the lore. None of the near one thousand year old asari that we see (Aethyta, Benezia, Samara) come close to looking as old as Liara does in the teaser. Even considering better graphics, Chakwas looked wrinkled in the trilogy. Why couldn't Samara? Liara looks far older than any thousand year old asari we've seen. And it looks intentional. Or exaggerated. 3. The Andromeda Initiative has QED communications with the Milky Way, so messages would be instantaneous. The only problem so far is that nobody on the Milky Way side has answered yet. That's what I thought at first, too. But Liara's apparent age puts her way above any timeframe where Ryder would still be alive. At best, it's near 900 years after ME3. Ryder would be at least 50 years dead or so damn old, he'd be senile. Unless Liara's aging is exaggerated, she doesn't fit in a timeline where Ryder is young and hearty. 4. Most likely it will be disappointing. Every recent decision Bioware has made with the upcoming games so far has been. Exactly. Because it's after a war that killed more of them than usual. ioware didn't handle ages well in the Shepard Trilogy. Some characters looked far younger than they were, and others far older like Hackett. With a decade of better graphics and a new engine, don't expect rules of appearance to apply. Though I will say she didn't look that old to me in the trailer. Older yes, but not old.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:41:03 GMT
So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come? Where the hell is 600 years coming from? Looks like right after the war to me. Besides, BioWare's destroy ending not only shows Shep's chest rising as someone else mentioned but the scene with the grandpa and the kid asking about Shep. There's one more story. You think that was just fluff? You can't deny those and then hyperfocus on Liara's wrinkles. Lololol 600 years is coming from some Bioware devs saying there will be connections to Andromeda, but people didn't arrive in andromeda until 600 years after ME3. The kid asks about another story about Shepard regardless of which ending you chose.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 11:43:41 GMT
So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come? Lololol Looks like really old to me and Liara is older, much older. ps.
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