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Post by Croatsky on Dec 13, 2020 11:43:43 GMT
ZeroTheDreaded @zerothedreaded@drewkarpyshyn are you apart of this new mass effect or nah? I really need you to be. Drew Karpyshyn @drewkarpyshynSorry, but I haven’t been involved with #MassEffect since the second game in the series. People really need to stop dragging Drew back to Mass Effect. It is clear he has no desire to do so. Also he is overrated.
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Post by twalicious on Dec 13, 2020 11:44:47 GMT
Wait... what? People are openly denying the destroy ending from the teaser? It seems all but obvious to everyone else, especially on YouTube. Of course, leave it to these forums to get in a tangle over anything. Lolol. Not much has changed since I was on forever ago. That said I think the remaster will canonize the destroy ending and is why Casey left because the blue/red/green mess was his idea. Now with that ending, Shep will be back, maybe really powerful or severely injured. I have no idea how they're going to fix Andromeda and implement it without it ruining the game tbh Well if people on YouTube say it, it must obviously be true. Only the wisest sages comment on YouTube. For getting so angry at people for misconstruing, you seem to be doing a lot of misconstruing yourself. Never said YouTube makes it true. YouTube, I think, is a very good sample size of a general audience. So if that audience is expecting something from obvious scenes from the teaser, and if BioWare knows what's good for them, they're gonna pay attention to these expectations.
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Post by twalicious on Dec 13, 2020 11:49:57 GMT
Where the hell is 600 years coming from? Looks like right after the war to me. Besides, BioWare's destroy ending not only shows Shep's chest rising as someone else mentioned but the scene with the grandpa and the kid asking about Shep. There's one more story. You think that was just fluff? You can't deny those and then hyperfocus on Liara's wrinkles. Lololol 600 years is coming from some Bioware devs saying there will be connections to Andromeda, but people didn't arrive in andromeda until 600 years after ME3. The kid asks about another story about Shepard regardless of which ending you chose. Are we actually sure Andromeda is even going to have that big of a role in ME5? Why should it? Andromeda already messed enough up without forcing ME5 to jump 600 years. What a headache. Exactly. Cementing a return of Shepard. That's how I'm seeing it. EDIT: I forgot how to double quote. Sorry
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 11:52:48 GMT
600 years is coming from some Bioware devs saying there will be connections to Andromeda, but people didn't arrive in andromeda until 600 years after ME3. The kid asks about another story about Shepard regardless of which ending you chose. Are we actually sure Andromeda is even going to have that big of a role in ME5? Why should it? Andromeda already messed enough up without forcing ME5 to jump 600 years. What a headache. Exactly. Cementing a return of Shepard. That's how I'm seeing it. EDIT: I forgot how to double quote. Sorry Again, devs have hinted they are connected. Though knowing Bioware, it's just to string players along just like they did with DAI stuff. Except if it cements another story of Shepard (doesn't mean it takes place after the story told already btw) it doesn't cement Destroy but all endings bar Refuse.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 12:02:47 GMT
Because it's after a war that killed more of them than usual. If Javik is to be believed, the Protheans had put up a better fight, than the current cycle. Which one would assume more loses for the Reapers. And they did a pretty good job of cleaning up behind them, if all we found was a Prothean beacon. Even so, it looks like the Reapers didn't even bother with this cycle. Which is possible, but unlikely and mostly unfounded. ioware didn't handle ages well in the Shepard Trilogy. Some characters looked far younger than they were, and others far older like Hackett. With a decade of better graphics and a new engine, don't expect rules of appearance to apply. Though I will say she didn't look that old to me in the trailer. Older yes, but not old. She had crows feet on her eyes and wrinkles on her cheeks, which we've never seen no Asari have, ever before. And we did have people with wrinkled cheeks before. Udina, Anderson, Chakwas. All humans, only humans. Not to mention, if what people think is true about Aria, that she is Wrex's "friend" who he fought against in the Krogan Rebellions, unknowingly, Aria is way over a thousand and doesn't even look as old as Liara in the teaser. Although, my impressions is that Wrex' "friend" is Aethyta's mom.
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Post by traks on Dec 13, 2020 12:06:20 GMT
Speculating about Liara's age in the teaser is pointless, because there is simply no way to know (other than being involved with the project).
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 13, 2020 12:11:19 GMT
Where the hell is 600 years coming from? Looks like right after the war to me. Besides, BioWare's destroy ending not only shows Shep's chest rising as someone else mentioned but the scene with the grandpa and the kid asking about Shep. There's one more story. You think that was just fluff? You can't deny those and then hyperfocus on Liara's wrinkles. Lololol 1. Mike Gamble kept making vague statements that hints towards the next ME game combining both Milky Way and Andromeda, including about ME:A crew maybe being present. So this is where 600 years thing is coming from.
2. Liara looks significantly older and Asari have a very long life span. So also another hint it is far in future.
3. That's Anderson dying words to Shepard with positive outlook, wanting for Shepard to have a good post-war future. Following Catalyst scene completely shoots that down though.
4. Shepard's story is concluded, whatever he/she lives or dies. Shepard's story was about defeating Reapers and that was accomplished.
Also one final point. While yes, teaser heavily implies it's set in destroy ending setting, however it can still work with control ending. Only synthesis ending looks very much overruled. And unlike with destroy ending, Shepard lives in a new form in control ending. So if we are getting Shepard back, he/she will be in Reaper form. Additionally, don't expect for Shepard to be a returning protagonist. Their story is concluded.
Ryder's story however is far from it, ME:A only ended with immediate threat resolved. Kett are still a major threat, Jardaan are still a big mystery, civilization that launched the Scourge is even a bigger mystery and likely hostile, Ryder's mother and her illness are still unresolved, Andromeda Initiative only started phase 2 of colonization by end of Andromeda, new Heleus System united government has just been formed, Ark Keelah Si'yah is still missing, who the hell is the Benefactor, who and why murdered Jien Garson, what's Reyes Vidal's agenda and does it have anything to do with the Benefactor and Jien's death?
There's so much loose ends left with Ryder, it would be absurd to start with new protagonist or even more so to come back to Shepard who's story is concluded!
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 12:11:57 GMT
SirSourpuss I think it's just her freckles but just more visible than they were in ot. It's next gen so obviously it's gonna look more detailed.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 13, 2020 12:25:19 GMT
Not really. No DLC does not mean Andromeda was abandoned altogether as a setting. We can still discover what happened to the quarians ark in the next ME game and such. So then maybe the Andromeda Initiative will be brought back home now that the reapers are gone, right. Makes sense. Not that this is in any way interesting or worthy of a game. So perhaps Bioware still wants to explore what the Jardaan are all about. And depending on what's really going on, Andromeda is a better or worse place for humanity. If Bioware does indeed decide to merge the two storylines, then it's going to be tricky to come up with a plot that doesn't seem like filler. Like they're just tying up loose ends in either of the galaxies. Also the main reason why ME:A did not got DLC, is because BioWare Montreal began being the process of being merged by EA Motive before the game was even released, while BioWare Edmonton even suspended working on DA4 to focus on Anthem, after their intervention to save ME:A from development hell( which Edmonton team shares fault for causing).
On Jardaan, they clearly have highly advanced technology for accelerated teraforming. That alone makes them only 2nd to Reapers and it's tech Milky Way would really desire a lot post-Reaper war. That war had devastated Milky Way civilizations and their planets, as Reapers had in every cycle made some planets inhabitable.
Additionally Andromeda civilizations do not have any equivalent to Mass Relays, meaning even less of their galaxy got explored, colonized nor exploited for resources. So by building Mass Relays in Andromeda, Milky Way civs would have massive advantage in Andromeda for a long time. Something what they really really need as it will take centuries, if not millennials to recover from the Reaper war.
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 13, 2020 12:33:45 GMT
Plot twist: Alec Ryder cloned himself in preparation for the coming reaper invasion of the milky way and that armour is his armour.
The human in the trailer is a clone of Scott Ryder.
Everyone is a clone.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 13, 2020 12:39:15 GMT
Can we put the Liara age thing to bed, please? Yes, she looks oldER but not ancient.
The Asari from the onset were a sexual fantasy. A race of only female presenting supermodel aliens? Who can get it on with females of other species and reproduce, thus making them not bat an eye at the possibility of hypersexualized lesbians? Yeah, there's nothing subtle about it. You wanna argue that Benezia and Samara's giant cleavages were anything other than cheap pandering to prepubescent kids? At least Samara's boobs were a little saggy but each time I see Benezia I'm amazed how she doesn't suffer nip slips every 5 seconds. Wrinkles are gross, old ladies aren't sexy, milfs are no linger milfs if they're in their 50s and don't cake on the make up or let themselves be touched by an angel plastic surgeon. Only recently have Bioware begun to seemingly understand that idea is maybe damaging, seeing as they have at least tried to include female characters that don't always look conventionally attractive. Finally adding skin details to Liara besides the weird eyebrows and freckles might be a continuation of that but stop hyperfixating on it. It's weird!
And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, that's why they could afford showing a few extra miles on their faces.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 12:45:41 GMT
Can we put the Liara age thing to bed, please? Yes, she looks oldER but not ancient. The Asari from the onset were a sexual fantasy. A race of only female presenting supermodel aliens? Who can get it on with females of other species and reproduce, thus making them not bat an eye at the possibility of hypersexualized lesbians? Yeah, there's nothing subtle about it. You wanna argue that Benezia and Samara's giant cleavages were anything other than cheap pandering to prepubescent kids? At least Samara's boobs were a little saggy but each time I see Benezia I'm amazed how she doesn't suffer nip slips every 5 seconds. Wrinkles are gross, old ladies aren't sexy, milfs are no linger milfs if they're in their 50s and don't cake on the make up or let themselves be touched by an angel plastic surgeon. Only recently have Bioware begun to seemingly understand that idea is maybe damaging, seeing as they have at least tried to include female characters that don't always look conventionally attractive. Finally adding skin details to Liara besides the weird eyebrows and freckles might be a continuation of that but stop hyperfixating on it. It's weird! And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, that's why they could afford showing a few extra miles on their faces. I could say the same about Ashley too before her hyper-sexualization in ME3.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 12:46:34 GMT
Are we actually sure Andromeda is even going to have that big of a role in ME5? Why should it? Andromeda already messed enough up without forcing ME5 to jump 600 years. What a headache. Exactly. Cementing a return of Shepard. That's how I'm seeing it. EDIT: I forgot how to double quote. Sorry Again, devs have hinted they are connected. Though knowing Bioware, it's just to string players along just like they did with DAI stuff. Except if it cements another story of Shepard (doesn't mean it takes place after the story told already btw) it doesn't cement Destroy but all endings bar Refuse. How does it cement control and synthesis if the trailer is literally Liara walking up the side of a dead Reaper?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 13:06:03 GMT
I think it's just her freckles You can see the wrinkling, before she even smiles and it's rather back in the cheek. Not just the smile dimples she makes. These just become more pronounced as she smiles. Definitely shows some age, when taken into consideration, alongside everything else in her appearance. each time I see Benezia I'm amazed how she doesn't suffer nip slips every 5 seconds Truly a tragedy, that. Only recently have Bioware begun to seemingly understand that idea is maybe damaging, seeing as they have at least tried to include female characters that don't always look conventionally attractive There's conventionally attractive (Liara, Miranda Samara), unconventionally attractive (Jack) and conventionally unattractive (Sera, Peebee, Josephine). And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, I can't believe that there's someone on this board that hasn't at least once thought of humping daddy Hackett
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 13, 2020 13:06:13 GMT
I think connecting the two galaxies via some kind of nearly-instant travel is not a good idea. Space already feels small enough as it is in the Mass Effect universe, it doesn't need to trivialize a distance of two and a half million light years on top of that.
While I get that some people liked Ryder and crew, Andromeda itself didn't bring much new stuff to the table. We met two new races and one brand of toasters, meaning the majority of species in the game actually came from the Milky Way, making Andromeda feel familiar instead of new and exciting. The trip to Andromeda only happened to dodge the dilemma created by ME3s ending anyway, and with the newly announced game not being afraid to return to the Milky Way, Andromeda's usefulness as a setting is greatly diminished, its only appeal being the reconnection with MEA characters that people liked.
Personally I don't like Andromeda enough to have ~650 years pass and millions of light years become nearly meaningless just so Ryder can make a quip again, but that's just personal preference. I'm happy with some mysteries there remaining mysteries and don't have to find out who killed Jien Garson or where the Jardaan went. But to some people this is important and I wouldn't want their wishes denied either.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:12:04 GMT
I can't believe that there's someone on this board that hasn't at least once thought of humping daddy Hackett Thanks for getting me into trouble for laughing so loud at 1am.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 13:13:23 GMT
I think it's just her freckles You can see the wrinkling, before she even smiles and it's rather back in the cheek. Not just the smile dimples she makes. These just become more pronounced as she smiles. Definitely shows some age, when taken into consideration, alongside everything else in her appearance. I agree.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 13:14:05 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. We did? I thought that the only reapers we actually killed are the ones we see die on screen? Or... maybe that was just applied to "capitol" class reapers? Those were the only sentient reapers, right? Or they were the only ones who carried a deposit from a past cycle and all reaper ships were sentient??? Gonna be honest, I was never entirely clear on the distinctions beyond "capitol ships = biggest".
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 13, 2020 13:14:34 GMT
I think connecting the two galaxies via some kind of nearly-instant travel is not a good idea. Space already feels small enough as it is in the Mass Effect universe, it doesn't need to trivialize a distance of two and a half million light years on top of that. While I get that some people liked Ryder and crew, Andromeda itself didn't bring much new stuff to the table. We met two new races and one brand of toasters, meaning the majority of species in the game actually came from the Milky Way, making Andromeda feel familiar instead of new and exciting. The trip to Andromeda only happened to dodge the dilemma created by ME3s ending anyway, and with the newly announced game not being afraid to return to the Milky Way, Andromeda's usefulness as a setting is greatly diminished, its only appeal being the reconnection with MEA characters that people liked. Personally I don't like Andromeda enough to have ~650 years pass and millions of light years become nearly meaningless just so Ryder can make a quip again, but that's just personal preference. I'm happy with some mysteries there remaining mysteries and don't have to find out who killed Jien Garson or where the Jardaan went. But to some people this is important and I wouldn't want their wishes denied either. It would be good if such questions could be resolved in books and expanded media so everyone's happy.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 13, 2020 13:19:20 GMT
And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, that's why they could afford showing a few extra miles on their faces. Yeah, I'll say what I will, I'd totally go for Chakwas as she is!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
So Shepard is a living corpse again? Zombie? 600 years later? How come? Where the hell is 600 years coming from? Looks like right after the war to me. Besides, BioWare's destroy ending not only shows Shep's chest rising as someone else mentioned but the scene with the grandpa and the kid asking about Shep. There's one more story. You think that was just fluff? You can't deny those and then hyperfocus on Liara's wrinkles. Lololol Yeah, the 600 year jump is pure fan speculation right now cus doing so would allow the Andromeda storyline to tie into the Milky Way storyline using the current Andromeda cast. The trailer doesn't actually hint it. Just fan speculation budding from dev comments that both galaxies are depicted in the beginning of the trailer for a reason.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 13, 2020 13:23:15 GMT
And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, I can't believe that there's someone on this board that hasn't at least once thought of humping daddy Hackett You made me snort laugh with that, I'll give you a like. And yes, I am possibly that 1 person who never thought of it. And say what you will, Chakwas or Hackett were never meant to be attractive to the player, that's why they could afford showing a few extra miles on their faces. Yeah, I'll say what I will, I'd totally go for Chakwas as she is! Hey man, power to you for liking a woman with experience, as Zevran would say.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
Plot twist: Alec Ryder cloned himself in preparation for the coming reaper invasion of the milky way and that armour is his armour. The human in the trailer is a clone of Scott Ryder. Everyone is a clone. All according to cake.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:24:44 GMT
I don’t get this “We see dead Reapers so that means Destroy is canon” mindset. We killed a bunch of Reapers during the war regardless of the ending chosen. The corpses in the trailer could be from that, and simply saying this is after ME3. Plus remember how misleading trailers can be, like the first ME2 teaser that had everyone thinking Shepard was killed by Legion. We did? I thought that the only reapers we actually killed are the ones we see die on screen? Or... maybe that was just applied to "capitol" class reapers? Those were the only sentient reapers, right? Or they were the only ones who carried a deposit from a past cycle and all reaper ships were sentient??? Gonna be honest, I was never entirely clear on the distinctions beyond "capitol ships = biggest".
All Reaper ships are made up from organic life from past cycles and all are sentient. The Reaper capital ships are made up from the apex race of each cycle while the Reaper destroyers are made up of the lesser species from each cycle. Basically capitals are biggest, most powerful and usually leaders of particular fleets.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 13, 2020 13:26:21 GMT
Anyway, point is wrinkles don't always mean as much as we sometimes think they do. I'm 31 and I've seen 20-year-olds with more wrinkles than I have. Maybe Liara has really dry skin or a bad skin care routine.
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