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Post by The Elder King on Dec 13, 2020 13:31:16 GMT
While I’d agree that Liara is old, I don’t think that her looking older the the Matriarchs in the trilogy (necessarily) means she’s over 1000 years old. They could very well have decided that Matriarchs looks older then in the trilogy. It wouldn’t be the worst ‘retcon’. Although I’d agree that they intentionally made her look older as a sign/hint of centuries going by.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 13:34:05 GMT
I think connecting the two galaxies via some kind of nearly-instant travel is not a good idea. Space already feels small enough as it is in the Mass Effect universe, it doesn't need to trivialize a distance of two and a half million light years on top of that. While I get that some people liked Ryder and crew, Andromeda itself didn't bring much new stuff to the table. We met two new races and one brand of toasters, meaning the majority of species in the game actually came from the Milky Way, making Andromeda feel familiar instead of new and exciting. The trip to Andromeda only happened to dodge the dilemma created by ME3s ending anyway, and with the newly announced game not being afraid to return to the Milky Way, Andromeda's usefulness as a setting is greatly diminished, its only appeal being the reconnection with MEA characters that people liked. Personally I don't like Andromeda enough to have ~650 years pass and millions of light years become nearly meaningless just so Ryder can make a quip again, but that's just personal preference. I'm happy with some mysteries there remaining mysteries and don't have to find out who killed Jien Garson or where the Jardaan went. But to some people this is important and I wouldn't want their wishes denied either. I am not in favour of Andromeda, but I am in favour of not dumping fans. And regardless of how I feel about Andromeda, it has fans. Even as the resolution could be given in related media, you know it won't satisfy anyone of Andromeda's fans. They should get their own game. And this ... whatever this will be, will try to satisfy both sides and satisfy neither. Commit to fixing one first and then the other. It will be a live service, so make the release cover one side and then keep on going with the other. It's likely going to be a early next gen title, either way, come 2026-2027 when this will likely release, so it will have an entire gen ahead of it to do anything fans want it to, in Andromeda, the Milky Way or wherever, whenever.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 13:38:05 GMT
Yeah, the 600 year jump is pure fan speculation Depending on Liara's actual age, it could be more. Because she looks far more aged than any thousand year old asari we've ever seen. Anyway, point is wrinkles don't always mean as much as we sometimes think they do. I'm 31 and I've seen 20-year-olds with more wrinkles than I have. Maybe Liara has really dry skin or a bad skin care routine. Or, the Prothean genetic modification gift they got, crumbled after the Relays exploded, along with every other piece of Reaper tech. Perhaps that was also Reaper tech and now Liara is experiencing accelerated aging. She is over 100 years old, after all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 13:43:39 GMT
Again, devs have hinted they are connected. Though knowing Bioware, it's just to string players along just like they did with DAI stuff. Except if it cements another story of Shepard (doesn't mean it takes place after the story told already btw) it doesn't cement Destroy but all endings bar Refuse. How does it cement control and synthesis if the trailer is literally Liara walking up the side of a dead Reaper? Because before Control or Synthesis were chosen, Reapers were still killed. We are directly responsible for about half a dozen in ME3 ourselves.
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Post by Entropy on Dec 13, 2020 13:46:03 GMT
I'm late to the party but... I will be happy to go back to the Milky Way but my Shepard's story is already over, so I hope we only heard about them I hope they don't completely ditch Andromeda Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 13:48:53 GMT
On Jardaan, they clearly have highly advanced technology for accelerated teraforming. That alone makes them only 2nd to Reapers and it's tech Milky Way would really desire a lot post-Reaper war. That war had devastated Milky Way civilizations and their planets, as Reapers had in every cycle made some planets inhabitable. That's actually a very interesting angle I hadn't thought of! Using their technology to fix the Milky Way and then shifting back to the Milky Way long term perhaps. Huh, I can see that as a viable plot!
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 14:33:22 GMT
I hope they don't completely ditch Andromeda Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me? Yep its a big destroyed reaper far into future I'd still say
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Post by traks on Dec 13, 2020 14:35:13 GMT
I hope they don't completely ditch Andromeda Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me? Yep its a big destroyed reaper far into future I'd still say You mean "refuse" is confirmed?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 14:37:56 GMT
Yep its a big destroyed reaper far into future I'd still say You mean "refuse" is confirmed? Well to be honest, I dont much care for the endings, very ambivalent about them. What I care is how we go forward from where we are now, we are in Andromeda 600+ years into future and maybe by that teaser we are also around the same time in Milky Way. *crosses fingers* (doesnt say "I was right" though )
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Post by vonuber on Dec 13, 2020 15:22:08 GMT
The problem with 600yrs tie passing is that you'd expect the technology difference between the MW and Andromeda to be huge.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
The problem with 600yrs tie passing is that you'd expect the technology difference between the MW and Andromeda to be huge. It takes 600 years for the Initiative to reach Andromeda, while the Milky Way squabbles after the collapse of galactic civilization.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 13, 2020 15:37:08 GMT
The problem with 600yrs tie passing is that you'd expect the technology difference between the MW and Andromeda to be huge. Not really, technological stagnation is a thing in Mass Effect.
Humans managed to catch up quickly( in about 40 years) with other Citadel civilizations and then hit the wall like the rest.
Only real technological advancement was done by re-purposing Leviathan/Reaper tech in Milky Way and Jardaan tech in Andromeda( even to Kett, Jardaan look more advanced technologically). So there seem to be a wall of technological stagnation every galactic civilization hits in ME universe, while any further advancement will take a lot longer time in thousands of years if not millions of years.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 13, 2020 15:50:37 GMT
I'm late to the party but... I will be happy to go back to the Milky Way but my Shepard's story is already over, so I hope we only heard about them I hope they don't completely ditch Andromeda Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me? to be fair...I was mostly curious about the climbing person and missed the reaper (both of them) completely ...and here I thought I was detail oriented
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 16:08:12 GMT
Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me? I considered it, but honestly, the foreground just looks like a rockface with some wreckage on the front right side to me. I could totally be wrong, of course.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 16:15:30 GMT
On Jardaan, they clearly have highly advanced technology for accelerated teraforming. That alone makes them only 2nd to Reapers and it's tech Milky Way would really desire a lot post-Reaper war. That war had devastated Milky Way civilizations and their planets, as Reapers had in every cycle made some planets inhabitable. That's actually a very interesting angle I hadn't thought of! Using their technology to fix the Milky Way and then shifting back to the Milky Way long term perhaps. Huh, I can see that as a viable plot! The scarcity of garden worlds and how long it took/hard it was to make new ones was actually the plot point that led the Krogan Rebellions, wasn't it? Could definitely see the Milky Way being interested in that tech. Though how they'd know about it, I have no clue.
Was there a QEC set up to communicate btwn the Nexus and the Citadel? I seem to remember that someone on the Nexus said they tried to make contact, but got no answer, but I'm wondering if I imagined that. If there is one, theoretically they could have real time comms btwn the galaxies. If the quantum pair Citadel-side wasn't completely blown up, of course.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 16:22:19 GMT
I considered it, but honestly, the foreground just looks like a rockface with some wreckage on the front right side to me. I could totally be wrong, of course. It is a Reaper and Mike confirmed it on Twitter.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 13, 2020 16:22:35 GMT
It might be the same way Liara was in Andromeda -- just a long distance voicemail from Ryder and nothing more. That technically counts as being back, but not as the protagonist. Yeah, I figured that now. Although it’d make the connection with Andromeda far more subtle that I thought. And a ME with a new protagonist, set in the MW centuries later so that most characters from the trilogy are dead, and a little connection with MEA, could be the best way to disappoint most people of the two different sides.
Exactly.
BioWare needs to stop trying to please everybody because you can't please everybody and if they try all they will end up doing is pleasing nobody.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2020 16:25:15 GMT
I considered it, but honestly, the foreground just looks like a rockface with some wreckage on the front right side to me. I could totally be wrong, of course. It is a Reaper and Mike confirmed it on Twitter. Ok, then. lol So there are two reapers in that shot instead of one.
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 13, 2020 16:27:38 GMT
I'm late to the party but... I will be happy to go back to the Milky Way but my Shepard's story is already over, so I hope we only heard about them I hope they don't completely ditch Andromeda Also everybody is talking about the reaper in the background but anyone else noticed that Liara is climbing one? is it just me? I wonder if that's earth, and the place where Shepard took his last breath/breath of life. Earth's not looking too healthy if so.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 13, 2020 16:34:50 GMT
Anyway, point is wrinkles don't always mean as much as we sometimes think they do. I'm 31 and I've seen 20-year-olds with more wrinkles than I have. Maybe Liara has really dry skin or a bad skin care routine. Yup. you can google 20 year olds smiling and get just as many if not more lines a plenty. And I don't agree with sirpetrakus(sp?) that the cheek lines are there before the smile, I think by the time you see her face she has already started the smile. She recovered the n7 thing and the smile is starting as her face is revealed. I do think she looked a bit older but post apocalypse life can be rough. That ages you. But she didn't look ancient or even old, she didn't even look middle aged. She looked maybe 30 to me, which would put a century on her potentially.
As an aside for those insisting its 600+ years destroy then is the only ending. They are still recovering in this. In both blue and green ending there is far less destruction and the reapers and their tech help fix it. Destroy I'd still expect massive tech leaps in 600 years as they now have full access to reaper corpses, but you can make up some story line where they went into a dark ages or whatever. The only way blue or green is remotely possible is if its right after the war. I think its destroy either way, but no way is it both 600 years in the future and blue or green.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 16:36:15 GMT
Earth's not looking too healthy if so. After that last beating it took, it'd probably be uninhabitable for a few hundred years, at least. Possibly up to two thousand. How long did it take for Earth to cool off, after the volcanic period? twelve hundred years or so? And wasn't that followed by an ice age? And didn't I guesstimate, by Liara's apparent age, the teaser trailer to be around twelve hundred years later? I hope that's incorrect. Because that would suck.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 16:44:27 GMT
What's up with this obsession with Liara's wrinkles?? I'm in my thirties and I've had wrinkles for years because I smile a lot. Just because Asari didn't have any wrinkles before doesn't mean they can't change it for artistic freedom or realism.
She still has a baby face. She looks no older than I do. So that entire discussion is ridiculous to me. All it says is that MAYBE *some* time has passed. But that split second shot of half a face in profile is really no proof of anything. After all, this is 2020. We can't have ageless sex goddesses anymore!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 17:05:42 GMT
We can't have ageless sex goddesses anymore! That never was an issue. We are using Liara's apparent age, for an Asari, compared to other thousand year old asari, to figure out at what time period this puts us in. We could be in the 3500s.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 13, 2020 17:34:46 GMT
That never was an issue. We are using Liara's apparent age, for an Asari, compared to other thousand year old asari, to figure out at what time period this puts us in. We could be in the 3500s. You're not seriously suggesting that Liara is over a thousand years old, are you?! Have you looked at pictures of Benezia lately?? I just did. And she had wrinkles and looked about 50. Liara looks nowhere near as old. So I have no idea why you keep insisting that Liara is old except for the Andromeda crossover that would need 600 years to pass.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 13, 2020 17:43:10 GMT
I mean, Samara barely has any wrinkles and I'd assume she's, at the very least, just entering her Matriarch stage.
In the context of the trailer, the wrinkles basically serve only as a potential hint that a great deal of time has passed since ME3.
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