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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2020 3:33:05 GMT
They are remastering a trilogy. A trilogy where you make a choice at the end. unless they are remastering it to remove the choice at the end, the "choice" will be very fresh in all the minds.
I thought they'd maybe remove their director's cut that gave you your tri colored choice in the first place. Shepard goes up into the big ship- the end.
I agree that synthesis couldn't be respected.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 12, 2020 3:50:04 GMT
I never figured out who the Deus Ex approach was supposed to appeal to. People that would accept a part of there ending reflected instead of ignored? Personally, I couldn't care less what they do with the endings. Plus, the bigger problem I had with Invisible War is the game leading down path that ends with choosing basically the same endings again. The "a part of their ending" is the bit I don't understand. Either what happened in that playthrough is really what happened in-universe, or it is not. I don't understand how having just a part of it be true works for anyone.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 12, 2020 4:14:15 GMT
My personal ‘headcanon retcon’ is that Shepard didn’t immidiatelt synthesize. He charted the course. He changed the atmosphere. It’ll take hundreds of not thousands of years, but it’s begun.
Synthetics weren’t destroyed but flipped their platform off as they got a massive upgrade all at once. They exist in a cloud, almost robot heaven. They will return when organics bring them back. And Shepard knew they’d return, he didn’t go off and sacrifice his friends and innocent lives.
As for why some got destroyed? Well sadly a powerful explosive wave crossed the earth and mass relays. Some repercussions were negative.
Basically synthesis isn’t instantaneous for both parties. It will take hundreds of years, but it is actively happening thanks to Shepard’s sacrifice. And if they canonized him being alive then idk; the beam didn’t actually incinerate him like he expected it to.
Yes it doesn’t technically work as synthesis is presented, but I’d rather this big retcon of turning synthesis into long term with destroy being the (apparent) short term( than erasure of synthesis.
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Post by isaidlunch on Dec 12, 2020 6:44:34 GMT
If they're going to make a canon ending, then they might as well change the ending in the remaster to make everyone pick it. Or retcon the whole thing and make a new ending.
The original endings aren't good enough to be worth all this tiptoeing around them.
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 11:16:15 GMT
I just had the thought: what if BioWare brings out the remaster without the extended cut? The original endings were a lot more open to interpretation and would give them more freedom for ME next. With the endings still such a hot topic, would you be pissed if they go that route or Ok knowing that a new game comes out with a story at least partly in the Milky Way after what happened in ME3?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 14:50:11 GMT
I just had the thought: what if BioWare brings out the remaster without the extended cut? The original endings were a lot more open to interpretation and would give them more freedom for ME next. With the endings still such a hot topic, would you be pissed if they go that route or Ok knowing that a new game comes out with a story at least partly in the Milky Way after what happened in ME3? I already don't care. I don't think I can not care less.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2020 15:03:29 GMT
Me says: Theres a new/modified ending coming in the remaster.
The trailer kinda shits on any ideas entertaining the old school trilogy endings and for reasons that include the mikefest and killing liara everytime he plays the game.
Relays with rings say not destroy. Liara climbing a dead Reaper throws the other endings out. Obviously not refuse.
So Mikefests low ems kill spree is out at a bare minimum along with Synthesis and control.
New ending either high ems destroy or something we havent seen yet.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 12, 2020 15:19:55 GMT
for reasons that include the mikefest and killing liara everytime he plays the game. Incorrect. It's hard to kill her if I get the breath scene, right? I've only had her die on the beam run a couple of times. The ones who have been killed the most on low ems, at least on the beam run, is Williams and Vega. T'soni still can die on low ems, if not on the beam run and that's on the unknown planet when the door to the SR2 doesn't open all the way suggesting everyone onboard is dead. But that only happens if ems is below 1750.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2020 16:57:27 GMT
for reasons that include the mikefest and killing liara everytime he plays the game. Incorrect. It's hard to kill her if I get the breath scene, right? I've only had her die on the beam run a couple of times. The ones who have been killed the most on low ems, at least on the beam run, is Williams and Vega. T'soni still can die on low ems, if not on the beam run and that's on the unknown planet when the door to the SR2 doesn't open all the way suggesting everyone onboard is dead. But that only happens if ems is below 1750. Lies. You love to slaughter Asaru.
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Post by huntress on Dec 12, 2020 18:02:46 GMT
For my friends and me to come back to bioWare excluding DA4 1) Bring Shepard Back 2) Canonizing Destroy or the Multicolors ending of mass effect 3 NEVER happened. 3) Bring everyone that survived including LI
PLEASE Do not make a full game Of "just before the multicolors end's of mass effect 3!!" WELL wake up because We all know how it ends so.. meh WE want mass effect to continue. Rebuild, find new worlds in our galaxy, new allies and more important new enemies.
I really hope NEXT mass effect it doesn't has microtransactions, or well nothing good for me here. Oh well.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 19:19:18 GMT
Bring everyone that survived including LI This first and foremost So that we can interact with our surviving crew and not have them in a decreased capacity. I'm with you, huntress
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2020 19:34:49 GMT
Me says: Theres a new/modified ending coming in the remaster. The trailer kinda shits on any ideas entertaining the old school trilogy endings and for reasons that include the mikefest and killing liara everytime he plays the game. Relays with rings say not destroy. Liara climbing a dead Reaper throws the other endings out. Obviously not refuse. So Mikefests low ems kill spree is out at a bare minimum along with Synthesis and control. New ending either high ems destroy or something we havent seen yet. Ideally a "none of the above" ending. And assuming that's a piece of Shepard's armor lying on top of a frozen Reaper adds to that as well (and assuming that's not , say Alec Ryder's armor) Though I will say that I did not see a relay with rings. What I saw was the Citadel (with a hellacious amount of space debris around it, remnants of the battle.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 12, 2020 20:31:15 GMT
If this is happening hundreds of years after ME3 its actually very easy to make all three endings workable for a sequel. Just write three codex entries for each ending briefly explaining what happened after ME3 making them all arrive to the same state of world at the start of new game. A couple of codex articles, a couple of cutscenes and side missions for each ending and Voila! Even easier if most of the game happens in Andromeda galaxy.
And put some green paint job on Milky Way characters for those who choose Synthesis.
Heck, no need to do even that, just say that green flow disapeared two days later when green stuff fully adjusted to their bodies. Or they can turn it on and off at will.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2020 20:32:50 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if they can write their way out of this problem in such a way that doesn't result in a massive backlash. If they just bluntly enforce canon choices throughout the trilogy, it won't be pretty. The gaming media would have a field day with it. Remember, it's not just the endings, Shepard decides the fate of entire species, and Liara herself is "quantum". It would certainly dampen playing the OT in the future. I suspect they'll try a more clever approach, but what that is... I don't know. I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons.
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 12, 2020 21:37:20 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if they can write their way out of this problem in such a way that doesn't result in a massive backlash. If they just bluntly enforce canon choices throughout the trilogy, it won't be pretty. The gaming media would have a field day with it. Remember, it's not just the endings, Shepard decides the fate of entire species, and Liara herself is "quantum". It would certainly dampen playing the OT in the future. I suspect they'll try a more clever approach, but what that is... I don't know. I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons. One way or another, I do suspect Shepard will be back. (Not that that’s some nuclear hot take given the teaser trailer.) Either in a minor way or the full shebang; tough to say. With all the imagery of space wreckage and the downed Reaper on Planet Chill, my best guess is they’ve canonized Destroy. And, as I frequently said back at the old place as JeffZero, Destroy is my least favorite of the (main three) endings but I recognize and respect its relative popularity across the fandom and readily acknowledge that it’s probably the best launching point going forward. I’m perfectly fine accepting my Control and Synthesis files as AUs. It’s six or seven centuries later. Rebuilding the Milky Way has taken bloody forever. Maybe they’re still not entirely there yet. Maybe we get shades of The Burn from Star Trek: Discovery, ha. Either way, big news hits Liara — and I’m going out on a limb here and guessing years in advance that the actual story of her discovery will be novelized up until that key moment from the trailer — so she sets off on an adventure across a Destroy-messy cosmos to come save some semblance of Shepard. I only played Andromeda once so my memory is a bit hazy but I reckon the colonists could have just recently reestablished contact with the Milky Way, thus carrying on concepts and themes from that game in some fashion as Gamble implied per his statement that having both galaxies in the trailer was quite an intentional move. Beyond that, I’ve got nothing. Which probably puts me precisely where many of y’all already are!
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Post by huntress on Dec 12, 2020 21:45:10 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if they can write their way out of this problem in such a way that doesn't result in a massive backlash. If they just bluntly enforce canon choices throughout the trilogy, it won't be pretty. The gaming media would have a field day with it. Remember, it's not just the endings, Shepard decides the fate of entire species, and Liara herself is "quantum". It would certainly dampen playing the OT in the future. I suspect they'll try a more clever approach, but what that is... I don't know. I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons. I hope they learned from the past is all am saying, pretty sure Shepard's DNA can be found in 99% of the galaxy. ahaha . Liara send it in a cube with a message right? lol darn! Can't wait for spring to buy the legendary trilogy!
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 12, 2020 21:50:50 GMT
I rather doubt the Legendary Edition will alter the ME3 endings in any way. In this particular case, I’d prefer not to say why, as obnoxious as that must unintentionally sound. But I would be surprised.
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Post by natetrace on Dec 12, 2020 21:56:27 GMT
I think you might be able to pick an ending. They did create a mass effect keep like the dragon age one, but with the legendary edition it may just carry over. Destroy - reapers destroyed. Control - Shepard shut the reapers down. Too much power Synthesis - the green glow dissipated over time. Shepard shut the reapers down. Or a more powerful force came along and wiped them out but I don’t they’ll do that to their big bads.
Since there is 99 percent chance both galaxies will be involved, I wonder how the Kett will factor in. Maybe not at all. Who knows. I hope they return, even if it’s in a limited capacity.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2020 21:57:54 GMT
I rather doubt the Legendary Edition will alter the ME3 endings in any way. In this particular case, I’d prefer not to say why, as obnoxious as that must unintentionally sound. But I would be surprised. Yeah, the BioBlog seemed to imply there wouldn't be any story changes... "Our goal was not to remake or reimagine the original games, but to modernize the experience so that fans and new players can experience the original work in its best possible form. It’s been amazing to see the adventures of Commander Shepard take on new life in super-sharp resolution, faster framerates, and beautiful visual enhancements."
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 22:25:17 GMT
I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons. Bring Shepard back, XXXX amount of years later, just to be with Liara. I don't think Shepard will be back. At least, not in the flesh. And let's be real, is anyone else looking forward to yet another new crew? I'm not going to follow it, just because of Shepard. Let's not use Shepard like Master Chief, in the literal sense, for fucking ever. Reanimated and cloned ad infinitum. That's just insane and stupid. That's "jump the shark" territory. I guess we did that with the Starchild already, but this is virgin ground of stupid we would cover, breaking barriers. And what else are you going to do? Bring back all the crew as clones, as well? Why not? Clone Anderson, TIM ... I mean, why the fuck not? Let's call it Mass Effect: Clone Wars, at this point.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 12, 2020 22:26:06 GMT
I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons. I mean, I found ME2 to be already ridiculous, but this gives me Bevel Lemelisk vibes. i.e. the imperial engineer who designed superweapons in Expanded Universe stories and whom Palpatine had executed and cloned multiple times. After the New Republic got hold of him and intended to execute him, he just remarked that they should do it right this time.
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 12, 2020 22:36:17 GMT
I rather doubt the Legendary Edition will alter the ME3 endings in any way. In this particular case, I’d prefer not to say why, as obnoxious as that must unintentionally sound. But I would be surprised. Yeah, the BioBlog seemed to imply there wouldn't be any story changes... "Our goal was not to remake or reimagine the original games, but to modernize the experience so that fans and new players can experience the original work in its best possible form. It’s been amazing to see the adventures of Commander Shepard take on new life in super-sharp resolution, faster framerates, and beautiful visual enhancements."
Ha! I forgot about that. It's pretty much spelled out even, yeah.
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Post by huntress on Dec 12, 2020 23:36:26 GMT
ahhh yeah!!! Artistic Integrity.../rolls eye. AKA: How to protect 3 multicolours rubbish endings. I must go. Goodbyes are not forever, are not the end; it simply means I'll miss you until we meet again.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Dec 12, 2020 23:58:57 GMT
I'm honestly wondering if the Scourge and the wave o' color from the trilogy is related.
It shows up at a similar timeframes, since the wave would be limited by relativity but may get a bit of a jump on the Arks via relays since one assumes the Reapers have a better map of the system.
I dunno. Just gets my attention with that possible line about the wave.
I'd prefer no canon, but that seems unlikely. Things can get vague where possible, though, and with a bit of hand waving, it can be exactly as stupid as "everyone forgot what quarians look like" in a single asari generation.
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Post by redeem on Dec 13, 2020 0:28:32 GMT
I think it's rather obvious that destroy is canonized. Liara walking on a dead reaper where destroy is the only ending that has the reapers dead. Now it just depends on what direction they are going with this. I am inclined to think that finding Shepard will be a part of this mainly because of her smiling at the N7 logo and finding it in rubble (in the high EMS ending, you never get a glimpse of the logo in the breath scene from the charred armour). I don't think they will link Andromeda at all, maybe some mentions about the initiative here and there, but that game is either dead or on the backburner for later years.
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