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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 14:37:51 GMT
I am not trying to argue what will happen, I am just giving alternate route to what might happen so people can see that BioWare might go in a different direction then all this head canon is already starting to create. For all we know we are going to go into everyone's favorite route of "alternate reality" where Humanity never found Mars and we play as a Geth fighting Reaper as during the timeframe of Mass Effect 3 since Humanity the Saviors of everything never existed. Then that depends. Is the trailer entirely for fanservice, where nothing can be surmised about the next game as a setting, or is there an actual meaning to it? I would say its mostly fanservice. Who else would really care about a game that is probably three or more years out and a video that is about a minute long. I am naturally skeptical when it comes to PR or content that is that far out from release because we have all seen with different game developers how much can change in a year. It might have pieces of information buried in it, but at the same time those could just be nods to the franchise. Until there is definitive "this is in the game" I think us speculating what the game is going to be about is just going to lead to another Andromeda type of situation for they were very coy in answering questions so there isn't the "you said this was in the game" situation either.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 14:38:58 GMT
I don't see that happening for the extra work to create three different versions would reduce the length of the game and there is so much weight put on the length of a single playthrough anymore I doubt they would want to make that happen. Even with another game recently released I have seen comments complaining the game was too short due to skipping the side missions. For zelda it's a singular game set in those timelines... Fair enough, so like BioShock: Infinite when you bounce around different potential realities.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2020 14:52:33 GMT
They need to move on to a new story and new characters if they're going to return to the Milky Way, which I wish they weren't doing in the first place Why? Why do they need to? I don't understand why it needs to be this or it needs to be that? What does it achieve? How many people care for Bioware's next batch of Whedon rejects? What does Bioware accomplish that way? There is as much suppressed interest in another Shepard and co. story, if not more, than Andromeda and I can't ask for some new crew that I don't even know what it will be, but what are the chances anyone is going to like it? All of Bioware's recent characters are criticized or lacked mass appeal. So why would anyone care about some would be forgettables that are likely, under current conditions, to barely make it through their own game releasing? This is what I mean when I say I don't care for this. There is no trust and there is no interest. Show Liara for 5 seconds and the internet goes nuts at the prospect of the gang being together again. What other circumstances can you see ME doing that under? Why do they "need" to bring all the old characters back together? They don't, but that's what a bunch of people here want, for no reason except that they're unwarrantedly invested in a mediocre space opera, and they're saying that "needs" to happen. I'm using "need" the exact same way that they are, and I don't see you calling them out about it. They "need" to move on from the ME trilogy because that's what I fucking want them to do, and I don't need to provide anymore of a reason than that. Personally I think video games as a whole are suffering from creative bankruptcy caused by pathologic unwillingness to let franchises end, and they should've never made anymore Mass Effect after the planned trilogy in the first place, but since they did, moving to a new galaxy and introducing new species and new characters and growing the universe was the best choice they could have made, creatively. "What are the chances anyone will like a new crew?". You make this argument all the time, and it's pathetic. In fact, it offends me on an ideological basis. By your ridiculous non-logic, BioWare should never have started creating their own IP, and there should never have been any Mass Effect in the first place because "people might not have liked it". In fact, according to you, nobody should ever try to do anything new ever, as long as there's even the slightest chance that some people won't like it, which is all the time, because nothing is loved by everybody all at once, not even the original ME trilogy. Case in point: I do not particularly like the ME trilogy, it doesn't bring anything new or interesting to the medium of video games or the genre of Science Fiction, it's trite and formulaic and always was, right from the first instalment. Yeah, sure, the fanbase might not like new characters or new settings, but I don't actually trust "fans" of things to make the right creative decisions to tell a good story or grow a franchise, because, by their very nature, they are too biased, and will cling to old characters and old stories to the extent that they will abuse and harass creators for even making minor changes or additions. I do not comprehend the position that Andromeda was somehow much worse than the previous games. As far as I can tell, the people that hold this opinion base it on nothing but hurt feelings and cherry-picking glitchy animations. Even at its very worst, it was just more of the same, and the parts that were good were actually better. In particular, the core narrative of Andromeda is far better plotted and paced, and the ending actually reflects choices I made throughout the game, which everyone in this thread admits that the Mass Effect Trilogy didn't do.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 14:55:23 GMT
I would say its mostly fanservice. Who else would really care about a game that is probably three or more years out and a video that is about a minute long. I am naturally skeptical when it comes to PR or content that is that far out from release because we have all seen with different game developers how much can change in a year. It might have pieces of information buried in it, but at the same time those could just be nods to the franchise. Until there is definitive "this is in the game" I think us speculating what the game is going to be about is just going to lead to another Andromeda type of situation for they were very coy in answering questions so there isn't the "you said this was in the game" situation either. Mike told us there is "much to unpack" and this is the "feel of the game". So maybe there's nothing but a "feel", however a Liara that old, would not be something Shepards would see in their lifetime. Possibly, probably, not even Ryders. So if I am to "feel" for an older Liara, an appropriate amount of time must have passed.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 15:10:50 GMT
Why do they "need" to bring all the old characters back together? Because the way they handled the last game killed the franchise. Andromeda is living proof of that. They "need" to move on from the ME trilogy They do. because that's what I fucking want them to do And that's not the reason. By your ridiculous non-logic, BioWare should never have started creating their own IP, and there should never have been any Mass Effect in the first place because "people might not have liked it" Bioware use to make things people liked. Every game, out of the ones I mentioned, partook in some controversy or was largely criticized by the userbase, characters included. Which is why, following that trend, we can see that it won't work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Einstein was on to something. Yeah, sure, the fanbase might not like new characters or new settings, but I don't actually trust "fans" of things to make the right creative decisions to tell a good story or grow a franchise But you do trust Bioware to do so, after the shrinkage we've seen. This very teaser trailer is admission of the mounting problems of Bioware's game and consumer tactics. That is also irrefutable. I do not comprehend the position that Andromeda was somehow much worse than the previous games. Then maybe you should go back and read the criticisms. There's a bunch of reviews you can read from critics and players alike for it. Even so, under Bioware's current rep, how is an Andromeda 2 going to garner more interest, after its initial reception, after Anthem. I've said it before, it would get roasted. That is not what you want your next game to face.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 13, 2020 15:11:53 GMT
I would say its mostly fanservice. Who else would really care about a game that is probably three or more years out and a video that is about a minute long. I am naturally skeptical when it comes to PR or content that is that far out from release because we have all seen with different game developers how much can change in a year. It might have pieces of information buried in it, but at the same time those could just be nods to the franchise. Until there is definitive "this is in the game" I think us speculating what the game is going to be about is just going to lead to another Andromeda type of situation for they were very coy in answering questions so there isn't the "you said this was in the game" situation either. Mike told us there is "much to unpack" and this is the "feel of the game". So maybe there's nothing but a "feel", however a Liara that old, would not be something Shepards would see in their lifetime. Possibly, probably, not even Ryders. So if I am to "feel" for an older Liara, an appropriate amount of time must have passed. I do think their intent was to show an older Liara to sign a passage of time. I don’t think if necessarily means a thousand years have passed. While she does look older then the Matriarchs in the trilogy, if could simply be a design choice. Although I’m not discounting any possible timeline.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 15:21:13 GMT
I do think their intent was to show an older Liara to sign a passage of time. I don’t think if necessarily means a thousand years have passed. While she does look older then the Matriarchs in the trilogy, if could simply be a design choice. Although I’m not discounting any possible timeline. She's also no longer wearing her armour. Just a cloak. Which signifies that Liara is also long past her fighting days. While it is quite possible Liara "retired" early, Samara was a Justicar till her thousand years. Granted, Samara had a reason to, with her daughters and the Justicar oath, but even so, it doesn't look like this is just 500-600 years after the events of ME3. We're closer to a thousand, possibly more.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2020 15:28:38 GMT
Why do they "need" to bring all the old characters back together? Because the way they handled the last game killed the franchise. Andromeda is living proof of that. They "need" to move on from the ME trilogy They do. because that's what I fucking want them to do And that's not the reason. By your ridiculous non-logic, BioWare should never have started creating their own IP, and there should never have been any Mass Effect in the first place because "people might not have liked it" Bioware use to make things people liked. Every game, out of the ones I mentioned, partook in some controversy or was largely criticized by the userbase, characters included. Which is why, following that trend, we can see that it won't work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Einstein was on to something. Yeah, sure, the fanbase might not like new characters or new settings, but I don't actually trust "fans" of things to make the right creative decisions to tell a good story or grow a franchise But you do trust Bioware to do so, after the shrinkage we've seen. This very teaser trailer is admission of the mounting problems of Bioware's game and consumer tactics. That is also irrefutable. I do not comprehend the position that Andromeda was somehow much worse than the previous games. Then maybe you should go back and read the criticisms. There's a bunch of reviews you can read from critics and players alike for it. Even so, under Bioware's current rep, how is an Andromeda 2 going to garner more interest, after its initial reception, after Anthem. I've said it before, it would get roasted. That is not what you want your next game to face. Yes, because when a franchise is totally toxic and nobody likes it anymore, the smart thing to do is announce its continuation and keep pouring money into it. BioWare also used to make things people don't like. I don't like The ME OT. For that matter, I also don't like Baldur's Gate. I'm people. Therefore, people hated Mass Effect and Baldur's Gate and, by your logic, those things shouldn't have been made. I don't need to read any criticisms, I have plenty of my own criticisms for both Andromeda and the OT. I don't care what critics or other players think, I played all the games myself and I came to my own independent conclusions. I don't need some jagoff on the internet to tell me what my opinion is. I don't care if a game gets roasted, I don't care if it even makes money. I only care about whether or not it meets my personal metric for what makes a good game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 15:33:14 GMT
Yes, because when a franchise is totally toxic and nobody likes it anymore, the smart thing to do is announce its continuation and keep pouring money into it. You can build it back up. But first you need to fix it. And you can disagree that it needs fixing. Bringing Liara back, to garner interest, means that yes, it needs fixing. BioWare also used to make things people don't like. I don't like The ME OT. For that matter, I also don't like Baldur's Gate Well, that's some of the things Bioware is most popular for. So I don't know what to tell you. And I don't need to read any criticisms, I have plenty of my own criticisms for both Andromeda and the OT. I don't care what critics or other players think, I played all the games myself and I came to my own independent conclusions. I don't need some jagoff on the internet to tell me what my opinion is. You don't, but Bioware does. They are the ones making the games, as if their livelihoods are depending on them, because they are depending on them. And they are going to make games based on those.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 15:41:46 GMT
I would say its mostly fanservice. Who else would really care about a game that is probably three or more years out and a video that is about a minute long. I am naturally skeptical when it comes to PR or content that is that far out from release because we have all seen with different game developers how much can change in a year. It might have pieces of information buried in it, but at the same time those could just be nods to the franchise. Until there is definitive "this is in the game" I think us speculating what the game is going to be about is just going to lead to another Andromeda type of situation for they were very coy in answering questions so there isn't the "you said this was in the game" situation either. Mike told us there is "much to unpack" and this is the "feel of the game". So maybe there's nothing but a "feel", however a Liara that old, would not be something Shepards would see in their lifetime. Possibly, probably, not even Ryders. So if I am to "feel" for an older Liara, an appropriate amount of time must have passed. Even with those comments I think its still leaving too much to the imagination of the people watching the video to really have a concrete understanding of what is going to happen. As I see it this is the same as with Mass Effect 3 in a technical sense there were more then three endings to the game, but the way people imagined the different endings BioWare said there was going to be and the reality of what was offered were two drastically different things. I think we are going down the same path here where people are reading into what BioWare is offering and what people in BioWare is thinking is two different things.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 13, 2020 15:42:53 GMT
I do think their intent was to show an older Liara to sign a passage of time. I don’t think if necessarily means a thousand years have passed. While she does look older then the Matriarchs in the trilogy, if could simply be a design choice. Although I’m not discounting any possible timeline. She's also no longer wearing her armour. Just a cloak. Which signifies that Liara is also long past her fighting days. While it is quite possible Liara "retired" early, Samara was a Justicar till her thousand years. Granted, Samara had a reason to, with her daughters and the Justicar oath, but even so, it doesn't look like this is just 500-600 years after the events of ME3. We're closer to a thousand, possibly more. Do we know for sure that she can’t wear an armour under her cloak? It’s not like she wore heavy ones. I’m not going to make assumptions on her being retired or not, as well as exactly how many years passed. I do think that she’s old and centuries have passed, but beyond that, it’s honestly a toss up.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 16:21:14 GMT
I think we are going down the same path here where people are reading into what BioWare is offering and what people in BioWare is thinking is two different things. Then Bioware needs to do a better job of controlling the narrative, or it is going to spiral into another Anthem/Andromeda/ME3/[Insert Bioware Title Here] situation again. It's cool to let people speculate, not cool to play with people's expectation. Bioware has done that 5 too many times. Do we know for sure that she can’t wear an armour under her cloak? From what I see, it looks like, or hints at, her scientist outfit from ME1 with a pair of gloves for the snow. Isn't that what it looks like? Liara never wore that in a combat scenario.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 16:28:19 GMT
I think we are going down the same path here where people are reading into what BioWare is offering and what people in BioWare is thinking is two different things. Then Bioware needs to do a better job of controlling the narrative, or it is going to spiral into another Anthem/Andromeda/ME3/[Insert Bioware Title Here] situation again. It's cool to let people speculate, not cool to play with people's expectation. Bioware has done that 5 too many times. Do we know for sure that she can’t wear an armour under her cloak? From what I see, it looks like, or hints at, her scientist outfit from ME1 with a pair of gloves for the snow. Isn't that what it looks like? Liara never wore that in a combat scenario. You mean like the remaster and how nobody is listening to that narrative. They have said "we aren't changing the story" and how many posts have you seen where people are talking about how elements of the story are needed to be changed? They can control the narrative all they want to, but people won't listen they never have.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 13, 2020 16:31:58 GMT
I think we are going down the same path here where people are reading into what BioWare is offering and what people in BioWare is thinking is two different things. Then Bioware needs to do a better job of controlling the narrative, or it is going to spiral into another Anthem/Andromeda/ME3/[Insert Bioware Title Here] situation again. It's cool to let people speculate, not cool to play with people's expectation. Bioware has done that 5 too many times. Do we know for sure that she can’t wear an armour under her cloak? From what I see, it looks like, or hints at, her scientist outfit from ME1 with a pair of gloves for the snow. Isn't that what it looks like? Liara never wore that in a combat scenario. Sure, but they might’ve simply decided to update her outfit, or add a cloak for the snowy environment. I’m not discounting your idea about how much time passed, I just think the teaser is vague enough that, aside the fact that she’s older and time certainly passes, it’s difficult to pinpoint how many centuries passed.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 13, 2020 16:40:40 GMT
Then Bioware needs to do a better job of controlling the narrative, or it is going to spiral into another Anthem/Andromeda/ME3/[Insert Bioware Title Here] situation again. It's cool to let people speculate, not cool to play with people's expectation. Bioware has done that 5 too many times. From what I see, it looks like, or hints at, her scientist outfit from ME1 with a pair of gloves for the snow. Isn't that what it looks like? Liara never wore that in a combat scenario. Sure, but they might’ve simply decided to update her outfit, or add a cloak for the snowy environment. I’m not discounting your idea about how much time passed, I just think the teaser is vague enough that, aside the fact that she’s older and time certainly passes, it’s difficult to pinpoint how many centuries passed. I don't think she looks that much older, in fact all the age imo can be put down to artistic discretion. But what clothes she wears, she might not be in armor because she isn't in a war. As he points out she had a scientist outfit so its not like she only wore armor and was welded into it until becoming a matriarch.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 17:03:11 GMT
You mean like the remaster and how nobody is listening to that narrative. They have said "we aren't changing the story" and how many posts have you seen where people are talking about how elements of the story are needed to be changed? They can control the narrative all they want to, but people won't listen they never have. Regardless of who is listening, they've been transparent from the start and the LE will be out in ... 6 months tops. The teaser, on the other hand, is for a game at least 5 years away. Considering we're basically in 2021. Sure, but they might’ve simply decided to update her outfit, or add a cloak for the snowy environment. The cloak looks cloth. Not like her fixed suit in ME3. I’m not discounting your idea about how much time passed, I just think the teaser is vague enough that, aside the fact that she’s older and time certainly passes, it’s difficult to pinpoint how many centuries passed. All I know is that I am not invested in that time period of ME, about a new group of characters, just as likely to get dropped as every other crew Bioware has introduced, with little personality and nothing going for them, other than they look like they are working for Liara. I'm very happy for those that want Liara back, I'm not thrilled, personally. To put it another way; Bioware has shown me nothing that would get me interested or invested in the endeavor as I see it presented in the teaser trailer. Even worse, I don't see this satisfying neither the people that have a problem with ME3 and refuse to follow the series further, nor those that want more Andromeda. So all I see this title achieving is ignoring the problems and hoping they go away, a third time, because here's Liara. Maybe it'll work. I don't know.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 13, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Honestly, as much as I hate ME3's ending, just let them do what they want. It's their story. We can always complain and demand that they do as we want after they release it and turn out to be incompetent with endings a second time. But real talk, you may not all like Mass Effect Andromeda, but its ending was very good. Not out of this world but it was very fitting, and it made the journey matter for what it was, which is the complete opposite of what ME3's ending is, which was an ending that forgot everything the plot was aiming for previously, forgot the important characters that you brought with you to the finale just to see them stand around and say "goodbye" before you go into the ACTUAL finale, and they ended it with zero closure but a mysterious GAINAX scene of everyone stepping out of the ship and looking into an alien planet and possibly showing synthesized leaves and skin, and Joker having ADAM and EVE moment with EDI... as in "THAT'S what we REALLY wanted to say with this game". It was just a big "WHAT." moment, and then we got super angry because on top of not really hitting the nail on the head, Shepard dies in almost every ending, the galaxy might be fucked because we never see its recovery ourselves, and it... just ENDS. Nothing but questions. And with Andromeda they DESIGNED the game to have a story that ends on a reassuring note, with a playable epilogue, with a really cool sense of cameraderie with everyone, including optional friends, you got along the way, including more than just your immediate squad, and then concluding on the core of the narrative: "What about the Arks? What about finding a stable home?" and it does it all while simultaneously developing the plot forward throughout all of the final mission. It was a little crazy and maybe too fast paced, but it fucking works. And that was Mike Gamble's last big project. I trust him. It is true that Andromeda had a much better ending than Mass Effect 3. But that includes most forms of media up to and including The Sopranos, so that's REALLY not saying much. gameranx.com/updates/id/5717/article/lost-creator-damon-lindelof-makes-fun-of-mass-effect-3-s-ending/Now if they had designed Citadel to be a playable epilogue to ME3, I'd have a little more faith.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 17:55:56 GMT
Imagine Damon Lindelof, the person who couldn't understand how Dr. Manhattan works, even as Allan Moore spelled it out plainly for everyone, making fun of your franchise. That's low.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 13, 2020 18:59:24 GMT
You don't care, but you keep posting just how much you don't care over and over....makes sense bro. I am aware of the optics. I don't care about that scenario. Removing the EC won't make me care more. I don't care about a new ME set far in the future I don't care about a ME set in Andromeda I don't care what ending Bioware decides to make canon I don't care about Liara. I do care about a game that disregards stuff, to come out a product that gives the most fun circumstances to play in. New cast and crew with Liara is in the "don't care" territory. I am 100% guaranteed not to care about any new crew, just like I didn't care about the DA2 cast, the DA:I cast, the new ME3 characters, the Andromeda cast and the Anthem cast. I don't want anything to do with what new Bioware produces for their next games. Then why are you here? You are literally wasting your time and energy being here in that case. No one cares, about how much you don't care. Going around repeating "I don't care" is the stereotype move of attention whores. Moreover, telling us just how little you care, is contributing nothing of value to any conversation being had. Based upon what you just said, there is literally zero reason to spend one more second on a Bioware forum for the rest of your life, since you don't care about literally anything else they will ever do for the rest of their existence. All you apparently want to do, is be a petulant person and wag your finger at them for being a "hypocrite". Yes, they'll be hypocrites, guess what? I don't care. I just want Mass Effect that does not suck. I think that is what most of us want. But whatever bro. Go ahead and waster your time, and continue to contribute little value to conversation, while you wait around to wag your finger at them, as if that will achieve anything at all...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 19:00:15 GMT
Alright, bye.
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Post by redeem on Dec 13, 2020 19:32:31 GMT
I think it's rather obvious that destroy is canonized. Liara walking on a dead reaper where destroy is the only ending that has the reapers dead. Now it just depends on what direction they are going with this. I am inclined to think that finding Shepard will be a part of this mainly because of her smiling at the N7 logo and finding it in rubble (in the high EMS ending, you never get a glimpse of the logo in the breath scene from the charred armour). I don't think they will link Andromeda at all, maybe some mentions about the initiative here and there, but that game is either dead or on the backburner for later years. I don't think it's "obvious" at all. One Reaper can be killed without all of them being killed. We saw in the trilogy that enough firepower can kill a reaper, or, in the DLC, that a Leviathan can kill a Reaper. Or it could easily be some new threat, in fact I hope it is. They need to move on to a new story and new characters if they're going to return to the Milky Way, which I wish they weren't doing in the first place. Andromeda had plenty of potential, no matter how many people are unhealthily attached to the original trilogy. It's okay to be in denial. Andromeda had potential yes, but it was a bad game that received no DLC post launch, abandoned by EA and Bioware alike AND until Cyberpunk 2077, was the worst optimization for a game seen for a AAA title. There is no unhealthy attachment to the OT. It made mass effect. Instead of reading this extreme minority on this forum, go read youtube, reddit or any other place regarding the recent trailer. All you read is "Shepard!" "Thank god no more Andromeda" etc.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2020 20:44:47 GMT
I don't think it's "obvious" at all. One Reaper can be killed without all of them being killed. We saw in the trilogy that enough firepower can kill a reaper, or, in the DLC, that a Leviathan can kill a Reaper. Or it could easily be some new threat, in fact I hope it is. They need to move on to a new story and new characters if they're going to return to the Milky Way, which I wish they weren't doing in the first place. Andromeda had plenty of potential, no matter how many people are unhealthily attached to the original trilogy. It's okay to be in denial. Andromeda had potential yes, but it was a bad game that received no DLC post launch, abandoned by EA and Bioware alike AND until Cyberpunk 2077, was the worst optimization for a game seen for a AAA title. There is no unhealthy attachment to the OT. It made mass effect. Instead of reading this extreme minority on this forum, go read youtube, reddit or any other place regarding the recent trailer. All you read is "Shepard!" "Thank god no more Andromeda" etc. A lot of people hating something doesn't make it bad and a lot of people liking something doesn't make it good. Getting DLC also does not make something good. I base my opinions on my actual experience of the game, not what other people say about it.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 13, 2020 22:09:29 GMT
It's okay to be in denial. Andromeda had potential yes, but it was a bad game that received no DLC post launch, abandoned by EA and Bioware alike AND until Cyberpunk 2077, was the worst optimization for a game seen for a AAA title. There is no unhealthy attachment to the OT. It made mass effect. Instead of reading this extreme minority on this forum, go read youtube, reddit or any other place regarding the recent trailer. All you read is "Shepard!" "Thank god no more Andromeda" etc. A lot of people hating something doesn't make it bad and a lot of people liking something doesn't make it good. Getting DLC also does not make something good. I base my opinions on my actual experience of the game, not what other people say about it. You base your opinions on...your own opinions. Yea, just like everyone else. From a business perspective, what the majority thinks about something, absolutely does matter. No matter how much you insist it does not. Most people don't like Andromeda, weather or not YOU like it, or think it's great, is utterly irrelevant to Bioware's bottom line.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2020 22:45:53 GMT
A lot of people hating something doesn't make it bad and a lot of people liking something doesn't make it good. Getting DLC also does not make something good. I base my opinions on my actual experience of the game, not what other people say about it. You base your opinions on...your own opinions. Yea, just like everyone else. From a business perspective, what the majority thinks about something, absolutely does matter. No matter how much you insist it does not. Most people don't like Andromeda, weather or not YOU like it, or think it's great, is utterly irrelevant to Bioware's bottom line. I'm not interested in the "business perspective". The business perspective is the reason our media industry is so creatively bankrupt in the first place. I already know when I state my opinions that they will be unpopular here. I don't post for your sake, or for the sake of the "business perspective".
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 13, 2020 22:54:05 GMT
Myself I just say nothing about the endings hell the Reapers just like in the War of the worlds they died of a cold no ending choices just forget about that and move on to the next game that Bioware gives us I look forward for Liara and hopefully Grunt in the next game and I say this under the possibility that the time line is 600 years later so they would still be around and the rest has turned to dust (sorry the crew is not coming back so deal with it) the OT is done.
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