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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 23:12:12 GMT
Then that depends. Is the trailer entirely for fanservice, where nothing can be surmised about the next game as a setting, or is there an actual meaning to it? It might have pieces of information buried in it, but at the same time those could just be nods to the franchise. That's a possibility.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 13, 2020 23:45:30 GMT
You base your opinions on...your own opinions. Yea, just like everyone else. From a business perspective, what the majority thinks about something, absolutely does matter. No matter how much you insist it does not. Most people don't like Andromeda, weather or not YOU like it, or think it's great, is utterly irrelevant to Bioware's bottom line. I'm not interested in the "business perspective". The business perspective is the reason our media industry is so creatively bankrupt in the first place. I already know when I state my opinions that they will be unpopular here. I don't post for your sake, or for the sake of the "business perspective". Then why do you? knowing full well they don't matter at all to how Bioware operates, as well as seemingly knowing few people here share them. This is not a taunt, but rather a genuine question.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 14, 2020 2:22:52 GMT
A lot of people hating something doesn't make it bad and a lot of people liking something doesn't make it good. Getting DLC also does not make something good. I base my opinions on my actual experience of the game, not what other people say about it. You base your opinions on...your own opinions. Yea, just like everyone else. From a business perspective, what the majority thinks about something, absolutely does matter. No matter how much you insist it does not. Most people don't like Andromeda, weather or not YOU like it, or think it's great, is utterly irrelevant to Bioware's bottom line. I think its not possible for us to say one way or the other about how "most people" felt about Andromeda unless you can somehow arrange a way to get a good sample that is more then just people who post on the internet. Talking about something online doesn't mean that is a good representation of the user base or even a decent sample size due to how the internet breaks into personal echo chambers anymore. I just don't think the information is out there for us to have a good basis of understand on how people felt about the game.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 14, 2020 3:12:07 GMT
I'm not interested in the "business perspective". The business perspective is the reason our media industry is so creatively bankrupt in the first place. I already know when I state my opinions that they will be unpopular here. I don't post for your sake, or for the sake of the "business perspective". Then why do you? knowing full well they don't matter at all to how Bioware operates, as well as seemingly knowing few people here share them. This is not a taunt, but rather a genuine question. For reasons that for the most part actually have nothing to do with Mass Effect whatsoever. But there are a rare few people here who, if they don't agree with me, are at least still not sulking three years later about a franchise choosing to move on from characters and a setting that were already thoroughly explored, and are capable of discussing the aspects of ME that *I* care about, instead of repeating the same tired, shallow, and frankly stupid argument that the quality of a product is determined by how much money it made, or how hard it got meme'd.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2020 4:32:34 GMT
Then why do you? knowing full well they don't matter at all to how Bioware operates, as well as seemingly knowing few people here share them. This is not a taunt, but rather a genuine question. For reasons that for the most part actually have nothing to do with Mass Effect whatsoever. But there are a rare few people here who, if they don't agree with me, are at least still not sulking three years later about a franchise choosing to move on from characters and a setting that were already thoroughly explored, and are capable of discussing the aspects of ME that *I* care about, instead of repeating the same tired, shallow, and frankly stupid argument that the quality of a product is determined by how much money it made, or how hard it got meme'd. Money made is very much a fair indicator of a quality product. Regardless of whether or not the qualities displayed are ones you give a damn about. Just because you're tired of arguments does not mean they are invalid. That is a very narrow minded way to debate things. Likewise, just because you enjoy something, ultimately means nothing in the grand scheme of things. That goes for anybody.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 14, 2020 5:23:05 GMT
For reasons that for the most part actually have nothing to do with Mass Effect whatsoever. But there are a rare few people here who, if they don't agree with me, are at least still not sulking three years later about a franchise choosing to move on from characters and a setting that were already thoroughly explored, and are capable of discussing the aspects of ME that *I* care about, instead of repeating the same tired, shallow, and frankly stupid argument that the quality of a product is determined by how much money it made, or how hard it got meme'd. Money made is very much a fair indicator of a quality product. Regardless of whether or not the qualities displayed are ones you give a damn about. Just because you're tired of arguments does not mean they are invalid. That is a very narrow minded way to debate things. Likewise, just because you enjoy something, ultimately means nothing in the grand scheme of things. That goes for anybody. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumI'm the narrowminded one? Lol, fuck off. You don't even know what my opinion of Mass Effect IS or what it's based on. You haven't engaged with the points I made about why I prefer Andromeda. Literally all you've told me is that it's wrong to feel that way because it's not popular. Because YOU have never disliked any popular, financially successful things ever in your life, right? I bet when Twilight came out you DEVOURED that shit, right? Right? Your reason for disliking Andromeda is what, exactly? The chicks aren't hot enough? Not every facial animation is perfect? "They talk like how I imagine teenagers talk because I haven't spoken to a teenager since I was one"? Because they didn't bring back YOUR Shepard and YOUR space waifu? Because it "got woke", by which you inevitably mean it didn't cater exclusively to straight men? Because the MET is just "better" in some vague, nondescript way that should be magically "obvious" to me even though you aren't capable of explaining it? Because Metacritic said? I've heard em all, man, I've watched this forum go round and round for the past three years in an eternal circlejerk of "fixing ME", well if your ideas are so fucking great, how come you're all here, and not in a corner office of BioWare Montreal, raking in the cash and kudos for your brilliant executive decision to have the next ME open with Shepard waking up between Tali and Liara and realising that the Starchild was just a dream all along or whatever the fuck? I'd rather be "narrowminded" than slavishy bound to adopt the opinions of complete fucking strangers on the internet. You know critics don't actually receive special training to be "objective" about games, right? Any asshole can be one.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2020 6:02:05 GMT
Money made is very much a fair indicator of a quality product. Regardless of whether or not the qualities displayed are ones you give a damn about. Just because you're tired of arguments does not mean they are invalid. That is a very narrow minded way to debate things. Likewise, just because you enjoy something, ultimately means nothing in the grand scheme of things. That goes for anybody. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumI'm the narrowminded one? Lol, fuck off. You don't even know what my opinion of Mass Effect IS or what it's based on. You haven't engaged with the points I made about why I prefer Andromeda. Literally all you've told me is that it's wrong to feel that way because it's not popular. Because YOU have never disliked any popular, financially successful things ever in your life, right? I bet when Twilight came out you DEVOURED that shit, right? Right? Your reason for disliking Andromeda is what, exactly? The chicks aren't hot enough? Not every facial animation is perfect? "They talk like how I imagine teenagers talk because I haven't spoken to a teenager since I was one"? Because they didn't bring back YOUR Shepard and YOUR space waifu? Because it "got woke", by which you inevitably mean it didn't cater exclusively to straight men? Because the MET is just "better" in some vague, nondescript way that should be magically "obvious" to me even though you aren't capable of explaining it? Because Metacritic said? I've heard em all, man, I've watched this forum go round and round for the past three years in an eternal circlejerk of "fixing ME", well if your ideas are so fucking great, how come you're all here, and not in a corner office of BioWare Montreal, raking in the cash and kudos for your brilliant executive decision to have the next ME open with Shepard waking up between Tali and Liara and realising that the Starchild was just a dream all along or whatever the fuck? I'd rather be "narrowminded" than slavishy bound to adopt the opinions of complete fucking strangers on the internet. You know critics don't actually receive special training to be "objective" about games, right? Any asshole can be one. Your right, I haven't engaged those points, because I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about dismissing arguments just because you're "tired of hearing them" or because you just don't care about that type of argument. That is just ignorance. You can get pissed and pout about it all you want, but it is what it is. Does that mean all of those examples you listed isn't ignorant also? No, many of them are as well. But Just because you're arguing with ignorant people, does not mean you yourself are not also ignorant. You're always pointing at the flaws and ignorance of others, and never for even a second considering you might be wrong about something. That entire diatribe was just self righteous zeal about other people's ignorance, projecting ignorant horseshit onto me, because I had the nerve to make a counter-point that apparently challenges your sacred opinions.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 14, 2020 6:34:53 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumI'm the narrowminded one? Lol, fuck off. You don't even know what my opinion of Mass Effect IS or what it's based on. You haven't engaged with the points I made about why I prefer Andromeda. Literally all you've told me is that it's wrong to feel that way because it's not popular. Because YOU have never disliked any popular, financially successful things ever in your life, right? I bet when Twilight came out you DEVOURED that shit, right? Right? Your reason for disliking Andromeda is what, exactly? The chicks aren't hot enough? Not every facial animation is perfect? "They talk like how I imagine teenagers talk because I haven't spoken to a teenager since I was one"? Because they didn't bring back YOUR Shepard and YOUR space waifu? Because it "got woke", by which you inevitably mean it didn't cater exclusively to straight men? Because the MET is just "better" in some vague, nondescript way that should be magically "obvious" to me even though you aren't capable of explaining it? Because Metacritic said? I've heard em all, man, I've watched this forum go round and round for the past three years in an eternal circlejerk of "fixing ME", well if your ideas are so fucking great, how come you're all here, and not in a corner office of BioWare Montreal, raking in the cash and kudos for your brilliant executive decision to have the next ME open with Shepard waking up between Tali and Liara and realising that the Starchild was just a dream all along or whatever the fuck? I'd rather be "narrowminded" than slavishy bound to adopt the opinions of complete fucking strangers on the internet. You know critics don't actually receive special training to be "objective" about games, right? Any asshole can be one. Your right, I haven't engaged those points, because I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about dismissing arguments just because you're "tired of hearing them" or because you just don't care about that type of argument. That is just ignorance. You can get pissed and pout about it all you want, but it is what it is. Does that mean all of those examples you listed isn't ignorant also? No, many of them are as well. But Just because you're arguing with ignorant people, does not mean you yourself are not also ignorant. You're always pointing at the flaws and ignorance of others, and never for even a second considering you might be wrong about something. That entire diatribe was just self righteous zeal about other people's ignorance, projecting ignorant horseshit onto me, because I had the nerve to make a counter-point that apparently challenges your sacred opinions. Lol, my sacred opinions. As if Mass Effect not going the way you all wanted didn’t send this entire forum fucking spiralling. I don't dismiss those arguments because I am "tired of them", I dismiss them because they were always shit in the first place. Appeal to popularity is a fallacy. That's Logic 101. I don't owe my time and energy to anyone, let alone people who can't grasp that much. And I don't want to hang around anyone who only likes things because they're popular. That's not really "liking" things, that's just following a crowd instead of thinking for myself. What were you hoping to achieve by even talking to me in the first place? If all you care about when it comes to games is if it was popular and made money, then go buy and play games based on that, I don't give a shit.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2020 7:17:52 GMT
Your right, I haven't engaged those points, because I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about dismissing arguments just because you're "tired of hearing them" or because you just don't care about that type of argument. That is just ignorance. You can get pissed and pout about it all you want, but it is what it is. Does that mean all of those examples you listed isn't ignorant also? No, many of them are as well. But Just because you're arguing with ignorant people, does not mean you yourself are not also ignorant. You're always pointing at the flaws and ignorance of others, and never for even a second considering you might be wrong about something. That entire diatribe was just self righteous zeal about other people's ignorance, projecting ignorant horseshit onto me, because I had the nerve to make a counter-point that apparently challenges your sacred opinions. Lol, my sacred opinions. As if Mass Effect not going the way you all wanted didn’t send this entire forum fucking spiralling. I don't dismiss those arguments because I am "tired of them", I dismiss them because they were always shit in the first place. Appeal to popularity is a fallacy. That's Logic 101. I don't owe my time and energy to anyone, let alone people who can't grasp that much. And I don't want to hang around anyone who only likes things because they're popular. That's not really "liking" things, that's just following a crowd instead of thinking for myself. What were you hoping to achieve by even talking to me in the first place? If all you care about when it comes to games is if it was popular and made money, then go buy and play games based on that, I don't give a shit. See, once again it's just ignorant dismissal from you. It's your go to move. Things are popular for a reason. Most people don't just like things BECAUSE they're popular. Just because you apparently want to be some hipster who wants to shun popular things, so you can live the life of a pariah and stand proudly on an island does not change that. You can think for yourself and still like the popular thing. unless of course you just enjoy being a martyr too much to understand that concept. You're just being an Edgelord, refusing to like popular things for the sake of being defiant.
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Post by Vox on Dec 14, 2020 10:16:29 GMT
First, Bioware should use the chance of the Remaster and simply change the outcomes to one that makes sense and provides a good starting point for a sequel.
Now...what I could however imagine is ... that ALL three endings kinda happened. So here is my idea ...
Activating the crucible ... did not go as planned. Not by Shep, but also not by the Reapers. The citadel was messed with over the years maybe...and Starchild in Sheps halfway indoctrinated mind was the Reapers or crucobles way to salvage the mess and finish the cycle
It did not work.
Jump to ME4. 600 years in the future. The Reapers went haywire after Earth. Many destroyed each other, became dormant, started harvesting again only to stop.
The races all still exist, 600 years on the brink of destruction. Dark ages, Red Ending.
Cue long living Liara. Have her find out that Shep indeed survived, her mind used by the Citadel as some kind of uploaded program to control ... something, for some plan...blue ending.
And introduce a new kind of enemy, the “merged ones“ ... the borg like abominations the green ending wanted to sell us.
Now Liara brings back Shepards mind during thea prologue ... new body, new class, perfect way to create our Shep anew, similar to ME2.
Now...link the game with Andromeda. First part of the game is learning what happened. And how the Milky Way could besee saved yet. Have Shep and new crew find a way, an ancient portal or whatever ... created by The Remnant. Their tech is key to defeat the remaining Reapers, stop the MergedOnes, and heal the devastated planets.
Cue Ryder. Similar to DA4 and Hawke you can have your Ryder join up and help. It will not be a Ryder game though, but allow for future games to be set in either galaxy or both.
And throw in the missing Ark at some point, so we even get that canceled DLC plotline at last. Maybe that is where Shep and Ryder could meet.
Of course not all will be happy about Shep returning. Also only works if Jen Hale comes back imho.
But I think this could work somehow, and be a nice way to acknowledge all endings ... and still none either. And even honour the Shep breathing scene...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 14, 2020 11:08:37 GMT
First, Bioware should use the chance of the Remaster and simply change the outcomes to one that makes sense and provides a good starting point for a sequel.
Now...what I could however imagine is ... that ALL three endings kinda happened. So here is my idea ...
Activating the crucible ... did not go as planned. Not by Shep, but also not by the Reapers. The citadel was messed with over the years maybe...and Starchild in Sheps halfway indoctrinated mind was the Reapers or crucobles way to salvage the mess and finish the cycle
It did not work.
Jump to ME4. 600 years in the future. The Reapers went haywire after Earth. Many destroyed each other, became dormant, started harvesting again only to stop.
The races all still exist, 600 years on the brink of destruction. Dark ages, Red Ending.
Cue long living Liara. Have her find out that Shep indeed survived, her mind used by the Citadel as some kind of uploaded program to control ... something, for some plan...blue ending.
And introduce a new kind of enemy, the “merged ones“ ... the borg like abominations the green ending wanted to sell us.
Now Liara brings back Shepards mind during thea prologue ... new body, new class, perfect way to create our Shep anew, similar to ME2.
Now...link the game with Andromeda. First part of the game is learning what happened. And how the Milky Way could besee saved yet. Have Shep and new crew find a way, an ancient portal or whatever ... created by The Remnant. Their tech is key to defeat the remaining Reapers, stop the MergedOnes, and heal the devastated planets.
Cue Ryder. Similar to DA4 and Hawke you can have your Ryder join up and help. It will not be a Ryder game though, but allow for future games to be set in either galaxy or both.
And throw in the missing Ark at some point, so we even get that canceled DLC plotline at last. Maybe that is where Shep and Ryder could meet.
Of course not all will be happy about Shep returning. Also only works if Jen Hale comes back imho.
But I think this could work somehow, and be a nice way to acknowledge all endings ... and still none either. And even honour the Shep breathing scene...
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Post by FireAndBlood on Dec 14, 2020 14:13:03 GMT
Take a page out of Bethesda’s playbook with how they handled the ‘Warp in the West’.
Firing the crucible broke reality and all possible endings happened at the same time along with all the possible choices Shepard makes.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 14, 2020 15:05:29 GMT
My own PERSONAL preference would be MEHEM But I also know that's never gonna happen, unfortunately. An interesting setup, imo, would be Don't canonize anything. The Reapers are gone. No one knows how or why. Shepard's fate is unknown. no one knows if Shep lived or died. Or if survived, what happened later. No one even knows if Shepard was male or female! Obviously if Liara is still kicking around, this isn't going to happen, sadly. The relays were trashed but not destroyed, and it took centuries for them to be repaired and interstellar travel (aside from systems extremely close to each other) to become a thing again. Yes, it meant a galactic dark age, but that allows for old locations to be new again as political and cultural lines get rewritten. We can see how systems survived (or didn't) isolated from each other for so long. I think the isolation affects of no Mass Relays could make for some very interesting species conflicts. Could even reignite another Krogan War. The Citadel Council would definitely be thrown into disarray, especially with it being found out that the Asari hid info about the Reapers/Protheans from the Galaxy, though I imagine that might go against your "unknown" world state. The Council gets its power by controlling relay usage. What happens to them when the relays are busted and everyone is cut off from everyone else?
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Post by biggydx on Dec 14, 2020 15:33:05 GMT
I think the isolation affects of no Mass Relays could make for some very interesting species conflicts. Could even reignite another Krogan War. The Citadel Council would definitely be thrown into disarray, especially with it being found out that the Asari hid info about the Reapers/Protheans from the Galaxy, though I imagine that might go against your "unknown" world state. The Council gets its power by controlling relay usage. What happens to them when the relays are busted and everyone is cut off from everyone else? The lack of resources, due to significantly lengthen Goods transport, in addition to sheer market upheaval because of the Reaper crisis, will probably already put them in a bad spot. If I'm in a position of power, I'd be looking for a safe house or bunker.
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Post by Polka Dot on Dec 15, 2020 0:29:26 GMT
From what I see, it looks like, or hints at, her scientist outfit from ME1 with a pair of gloves for the snow. Isn't that what it looks like? Liara never wore that in a combat scenario. Look again. You can tell that she's wearing shinguards with knee protectors as she's walking up the reaper, and you can see that her boots are armored when she picks up the helmet piece. Looks to me like she's wearing as much armor as she ever did under that cloak.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 1:00:29 GMT
Look again. You can tell that she's wearing shinguards with knee protectors as she's walking up the reaper, and you can see that her boots are armored when she picks up the helmet piece. Looks to me like she's wearing as much armor as she ever did under that cloak. I saw it a few times. She's wearing boots, true, they reinforced, true. But her sleeves aren't. And her gloves aren't. You can see there is some kind of cloth/fabric that isn't armoured. Her boots could be just for the snow. Kinda like ski boots. I will concede, but she is definitely not in full armour.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 1:12:23 GMT
ah yes, t'soni wearing armor or not in the teaser. At least she was covered up except her face. It's better than the peepee asari wearing Barney's purple belly button armor in MEA.
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Post by bshep on Dec 15, 2020 1:59:58 GMT
First, Bioware should use the chance of the Remaster and simply change the outcomes to one that makes sense and provides a good starting point for a sequel.
Now...what I could however imagine is ... that ALL three endings kinda happened. So here is my idea ...
Activating the crucible ... did not go as planned. Not by Shep, but also not by the Reapers. The citadel was messed with over the years maybe...and Starchild in Sheps halfway indoctrinated mind was the Reapers or crucobles way to salvage the mess and finish the cycle
It did not work.
Jump to ME4. 600 years in the future. The Reapers went haywire after Earth. Many destroyed each other, became dormant, started harvesting again only to stop.
The races all still exist, 600 years on the brink of destruction. Dark ages, Red Ending.
Cue long living Liara. Have her find out that Shep indeed survived, her mind used by the Citadel as some kind of uploaded program to control ... something, for some plan...blue ending.
And introduce a new kind of enemy, the “merged ones“ ... the borg like abominations the green ending wanted to sell us.
Now Liara brings back Shepards mind during thea prologue ... new body, new class, perfect way to create our Shep anew, similar to ME2.
Now...link the game with Andromeda. First part of the game is learning what happened. And how the Milky Way could besee saved yet. Have Shep and new crew find a way, an ancient portal or whatever ... created by The Remnant. Their tech is key to defeat the remaining Reapers, stop the MergedOnes, and heal the devastated planets.
Cue Ryder. Similar to DA4 and Hawke you can have your Ryder join up and help. It will not be a Ryder game though, but allow for future games to be set in either galaxy or both.
And throw in the missing Ark at some point, so we even get that canceled DLC plotline at last. Maybe that is where Shep and Ryder could meet.
Of course not all will be happy about Shep returning. Also only works if Jen Hale comes back imho.
But I think this could work somehow, and be a nice way to acknowledge all endings ... and still none either. And even honour the Shep breathing scene... Going to have to agree with Hanako here. This looks like a REALLY bad fanfic Vox.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 15, 2020 3:41:01 GMT
Look again. You can tell that she's wearing shinguards with knee protectors as she's walking up the reaper, and you can see that her boots are armored when she picks up the helmet piece. Looks to me like she's wearing as much armor as she ever did under that cloak. I saw it a few times. She's wearing boots, true, they reinforced, true. But her sleeves aren't. And her gloves aren't. You can see there is some kind of cloth/fabric that isn't armoured. Her boots could be just for the snow. Kinda like ski boots. I will concede, but she is definitely not in full armour. Sure, but we've seen her out of armor before. All being out of armor means is she is not expecting conflict wherever she is. The lack of a mask means wherever she is has an atmosphere she can breathe in. The clothes while not heavy looking may have limited shields and heaters for the rest of it.
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Post by Sard Bardistark on Dec 15, 2020 7:24:40 GMT
Mark my words, I see the future, this is how it will be presented ingame:
Shepard led a heroic charge to the incomplete catalyst. It is unknown what exactly happened, but Shepard activated/destroyed it, releasing a blast of energy that killed many reapers and a lot of other stuff in proximity to it.
There will be no mention of the colourful options because they only happened in shepards head. There will be no mention of andromeda because it hasnt happened yet(also because its shit that they want to leave behind).
It is a dark setting. The galaxy is in shambles from the reaper assault, but the remaining reapers are unfocused, not acting together. The galaxy is a bad place to live, under constant threat from insane ronin reapers.
Liara has been left to pick up shepards pieces once again, which she will do with gusto. Shepard will be the player. S/he won't remember much of the later stages of the war, both due to the resurrection and due to the indoctrination. (this won't be spelled out, they will avoid talking specifically about Shepard's indoctrination or the colours) PTSD from the above will be part of Shepards characterisation
Some races may be in much better shape than others. The Geth and the Quarians both did well, surviving in hardened deep space stations and the flotilla. They may work together closely.
Other races did not fare this well, such as Salarians, Krogans, and Asari. Their homeworlds and settled worlds are ruined, which is a common story in this dark time.
Many surviving settlements are composed of many different species, there arent enough survivors to form racial monoliths.
Shepard, the player, will gather and lead a ragtag group to defeat reapers and help the diaspora of the galaxy cling on to survival. Cleaning up the galaxy one reaper and one civil war over resources at a time.
Lategame there may be a revelation that Liara's reasons for resurrecting Shepard are not solely love, or to clean up the galaxy. I don't know what that reason will be.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 9:15:05 GMT
Sure, but we've seen her out of armor before. All being out of armor means is she is not expecting conflict wherever she is. The lack of a mask means wherever she is has an atmosphere she can breathe in. The clothes while not heavy looking may have limited shields and heaters for the rest of it. Maybe. But I don't think she'll be a squadmate.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 15, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
IMO, there's NO WAY Bioware will choose to specifically canonize one ending.
they have already given up in 2012 with the EC, and it was something more unique than rare, something not seen since conan doyle "killed" sherlock holmes canonizing destroy would mean admitting to being hostage of the most toxic and exalted fans.
also, it would contradict every past statement they've (regarding dragon age too) made about how each player's choiches are important and canonical. If bioware loses even this (a certain attention and respect for the player's choices) loses also its last distinctive feature.
maybe they will set the game in a milky way that might remind of low ems destroy scenario, but they will come up with an explanation different than "shepard picked destroy".
We can be 99% sure of that
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Post by ergates on Dec 15, 2020 19:12:02 GMT
Just hope they don't canonise any of the 'red/blue/green' endings as they all have deep problems. All AIs being annihilated in a genocidal death wave, causing untold billions of casualties / unknown ramifications for the future, leaving potential revival scenario for the Reapers / possibility of free will being subsumed within a hive consciousness/
That's what I play with the MEHEM mod, though if I had to pick a vanilla choice it would always be blue, as it involves the least amount of measurable suffering.
I find myself agreeing with our esteemed Centauri ambassador on page 1 - I hope the story does not involve either Reapers or Shep, save perhaps a very high, remote retelling somewhere in a codex. I'd like to imagine they'll find a sensible way out of the hole they dug for themselves with the red/blue/green endings that doesn't involve actually choosing one.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 19:20:10 GMT
Just hope they don't canonise any of the 'red/blue/green' endings as they all have deep problems. All AIs being annihilated in a genocidal death wave, causing untold billions of casualties / unknown ramifications for the future, leaving potential revival scenario for the Reapers / possibility of free will being subsumed within a hive consciousness/ That's what I play with the MEHEM mod, though if I had to pick a vanilla choice it would always be blue, as it involves the least amount of measurable suffering. I find myself agreeing with our esteemed Centauri ambassador on page 1 - I hope the story does not involve either Reapers or Shep, save perhaps a very high, remote retelling somewhere in a codex. I'd like to imagine they'll find a sensible way out of the hole they dug for themselves with the red/blue/green endings that doesn't involve actually choosing one. There's a nebula with a reaper form in the teaser. At the end when we see the title the nebula starts to move. It might mean something or maybe nothing.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 15, 2020 22:36:06 GMT
Mark my words, I see the future, this is how it will be presented ingame: Shepard led a heroic charge to the incomplete catalyst. It is unknown what exactly happened, but Shepard activated/destroyed it, releasing a blast of energy that killed many reapers and a lot of other stuff in proximity to it. There will be no mention of the colourful options because they only happened in shepards head. There will be no mention of andromeda because it hasnt happened yet(also because its shit that they want to leave behind). It is a dark setting. The galaxy is in shambles from the reaper assault, but the remaining reapers are unfocused, not acting together. The galaxy is a bad place to live, under constant threat from insane ronin reapers. Liara has been left to pick up shepards pieces once again, which she will do with gusto. Shepard will be the player. S/he won't remember much of the later stages of the war, both due to the resurrection and due to the indoctrination. (this won't be spelled out, they will avoid talking specifically about Shepard's indoctrination or the colours) PTSD from the above will be part of Shepards characterisation Some races may be in much better shape than others. The Geth and the Quarians both did well, surviving in hardened deep space stations and the flotilla. They may work together closely. Other races did not fare this well, such as Salarians, Krogans, and Asari. Their homeworlds and settled worlds are ruined, which is a common story in this dark time. Many surviving settlements are composed of many different species, there arent enough survivors to form racial monoliths. Shepard, the player, will gather and lead a ragtag group to defeat reapers and help the diaspora of the galaxy cling on to survival. Cleaning up the galaxy one reaper and one civil war over resources at a time. Lategame there may be a revelation that Liara's reasons for resurrecting Shepard are not solely love, or to clean up the galaxy. I don't know what that reason will be. While I like the sound of that setting. I can't see playing Shepard again there. For one thing, a LOT of players would be p*ssed if players have to be Shepard and the only returning companion is Liara...
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