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Post by kalreegar on Dec 11, 2020 14:13:33 GMT
I've seen the trailer. I don't see any destroy canonization (not necessarly).
We can notice:
-both milky way and andromeda (so, reunification). My guess is that the setting the become the Local Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group)
- an older Liara, milky way destroyed and a dead reaper. This could mean low Ems destroy = canon.
But it also could mean that the game is set 700 years after ME3 (and if the reunification theory is true, it is necessarly true).
this could mean that, after 700 years, a new war has broken out, a new enemy has appeared, which has annihilated the reapers (controlled by shepard or free thanks to synthesis) and devastated the galaxy. Leviathans perhaps (who may wish to destroy the reapers.), or some other unknown threat.
Hell, it may even have been a terrorist organization that created a new crucibile (technology is available and everywhere, see liara's beacon, and after 700 years, perfectly mastered), and released a red destroy wave. Just for fun. For vengeance. For Hanar supremacy.
So, I see heavy retcon. The final RBGs are all valid and canonical, but after 700 years, the differences for whatever reason have become irrelevant, and the setting scenario is unique.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 11, 2020 14:46:39 GMT
- an older Liara, milky way destroyed and a dead reaper.
This could mean low Ems destroy = canon. You do know t'soni can be killed on the beam run with low ems, right?
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 11, 2020 15:44:05 GMT
You do know t'soni can be killed on the beam run with low ems, right? It's a Leliana situation. Btw, Shepard can be killed, with all his squad, during the suicide mission... and it's not game over, you actually beat the game. So it should be a canonical ending of ME2. So should refusal ending. Not a big deal if super-shitty outcomes are not considered. Btw, who the heck is so noob that their companions die in the run to the beam? How much do you rushed the game to get an Ems that low? Casual gamers, certainly not hardcore fans of the saga (which we know are the most laud and the most dangerous) Nobody will complain if Liara is alive. So who cares about them. They won't even have remember who Liara was.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 11, 2020 16:37:51 GMT
I've seen the trailer. I don't see any destroy canonization (not necessarly). We can notice: -both milky way and andromeda (so, reunification).
My guess is that the setting the become the Local Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group) - an older Liara, milky way destroyed and a dead reaper.
This could mean low Ems destroy = canon. But it also could mean that the game is set 700 years after ME3 (and if the reunification theory is true, it is necessarly true). this could mean that, after 700 years, a new war has broken out, a new enemy has appeared, which has annihilated the reapers (controlled by shepard or free thanks to synthesis) and devastated the galaxy. Leviathans perhaps (who may wish to destroy the reapers.), or some other unknown threat. Hell, it may even have been a terrorist organization that created a new crucibile (technology is available and everywhere, see liara's beacon, and after 700 years, perfectly mastered), and released a red destroy wave. Just for fun. For vengeance. For Hanar supremacy. So, I see heavy retcon. The final RBGs are all valid and canonical, but after 700 years, the differences for whatever reason have become irrelevant, and the setting scenario is unique. I think reunification is a given. Funny thing: until she turned and I saw her face, I thought the figure was going to be a quarian. So...maybe that's NOT Liara, but Lara and Tali's daughter? How much rage would that instill? No Green Circuitry of Eternal Friendship so definitely not Synthesis (thank the Maker) But if they are introducing a new enemy that can curb-stomp the REAPERS we've gone beyond silly. I'm still hoping they go with a "none of the above" ending. Don't canonize ANY ending. Don't canonize the manner of Shepard's death. Don't canonize how the Crucible worked. Don't canonize anything from Priority: Earth on. Heck I'd deliberately canonize stuff that CAN'T be true based on the events of ME3. Much like how in KOTOR 2 the Exile is canonically female, but also had Handmaiden as a follower (two mutually exclusive factors)
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 11, 2020 17:10:18 GMT
But if they are introducing a new enemy that can curb-stomp the REAPERS we've gone beyond silly. the crucible can instant-kill all the reapers. That's a technology of "700 years ago" (if we assume that the next mass effect is set 6-700 years after ME3 ending) Add 700 years of free progress and galactic development (using and studying reapers technology as well)... and the reapers will become as obsolete as WWI aircraft compared to modern F35 in a couple of centuries. it would be very bizarre the opposite
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Post by Iakus on Dec 11, 2020 17:58:42 GMT
But if they are introducing a new enemy that can curb-stomp the REAPERS we've gone beyond silly. the crucible can instant-kill all the reapers. That's a technology of "700 years ago" (if we assume that the next mass effect is set 6-700 years after ME3 ending) Add 700 years of free progress and galactic development (using and studying reapers technology as well)... and the reapers will become as obsolete as WWI aircraft compared to modern F35 in a couple of centuries. it would be very bizarre the opposite The Crucible was a literal magic wand. Way beyond silly.
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Post by Adia on Dec 11, 2020 18:27:07 GMT
Good. That ending needed to be retconned 8 years ago. Wonder what they'll do with the geth / quarians situation though
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Post by natetrace on Dec 11, 2020 21:12:18 GMT
I don’t see destroy as necessarily being made canon, maybe but I think it’s possible to do something with the other endings. Not refuse that’s just a game over screen, to me. I’m more interested to see how they are going to handle a sequel to both 3 and Andromeda. That’ll be interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 22:40:22 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route.
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Post by Kelwing on Dec 11, 2020 23:24:23 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route. Yep that is how my runs ended. Did more than enough to see cyborg Shep start breathing again. That man had so much tech crammed in him during ME2 I am fairly certain he can't be killed very easily. Plus who knows how long he could live for after all that.
Other than continuing post ME3 in Milky Way. I do wish they would also work the Andromeda story. They have enough time between them to alternate.
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Post by jjdxb on Dec 11, 2020 23:43:22 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route. In which case, setting the game 600 years into the future means we can ignore how Shepard died coz they're dead either way.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 11, 2020 23:45:49 GMT
I’d take this. Not my favorite retcon but I’d do anything to get synthesis at least accepted as a possible canon.
Besides synthesis doesn’t mean eternal peace
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Dec 12, 2020 1:49:53 GMT
Andromeda stuff won’t be pivotal to the plot. It’s going to a nod here, a mention there.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2020 2:09:11 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route. AH, the Faceless Torso ending...
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Post by redeem on Dec 12, 2020 4:55:07 GMT
Andromeda being connected would be a waste for overall appeal. But this forum is basically a splinter cell of the people who still defend that game lol
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Post by descolada on Dec 12, 2020 8:55:53 GMT
Maybe some things will be retconned. I said this on the mass effect subreddit but I was downvoted into oblivion and deleted my post
But I can see the next game starting a new trilogy
Given what I saw in the teaser, it seems they are going in a similar direction that I had made in the posting
The next game starts during the reaper war, near the end of it. You're not playing as Shep but someone else. You have your own team. Though later on you might encounter other familiar faces. Maybe this time we're not playing as a human. We're playing as a Turian or Asari. Given its Liara or at the very least an Asari in the teaser walking, maybe that is the direction they are going
The decisions you made in the past three games are taken into account. The endings are taken into account. Maybe some things are left out, some things are retconned, some things stay the same. The idea there is that you take a new character and encounter the changes that Shepard left for the rest of the galaxy. How do choices get taken into account? Well who's to say they can't create a game or succession of games where if you chose the Control ending, that is the game you get. The characters, story, lore, environment, missions. Or if you chose the Destroy ending, that you get an entirely different premise. Similar characters, similar story structure, lore and environment, but changes are made.
I can see a time jump taking place. If we're doing this at the end of the reaper war, then a time jump takes place. Dunno how they would pull that off but maybe you and your crew go into stasis. Maybe you catch up with Liara at some point. I imagine Wrex and Grunt are still around too
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2020 17:03:48 GMT
My theory is a new ending also.
The relay in the clip has unbroken rings.
The Reapers are dead.
Shepard is clearly dead if his armour is smashed.
That doesnt leave room for any ending in 3.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2020 17:41:46 GMT
I've seen the trailer. I don't see any destroy canonization (not necessarly). We can notice: -both milky way and andromeda (so, reunification).
My guess is that the setting the become the Local Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group) - an older Liara, milky way destroyed and a dead reaper.
This could mean low Ems destroy = canon. But it also could mean that the game is set 700 years after ME3 (and if the reunification theory is true, it is necessarly true). this could mean that, after 700 years, a new war has broken out, a new enemy has appeared, which has annihilated the reapers (controlled by shepard or free thanks to synthesis) and devastated the galaxy. Leviathans perhaps (who may wish to destroy the reapers.), or some other unknown threat. Hell, it may even have been a terrorist organization that created a new crucibile (technology is available and everywhere, see liara's beacon, and after 700 years, perfectly mastered), and released a red destroy wave. Just for fun. For vengeance. For Hanar supremacy. So, I see heavy retcon. The final RBGs are all valid and canonical, but after 700 years, the differences for whatever reason have become irrelevant, and the setting scenario is unique. If Sythesis happened and there's a war it will just prove that it did not end war. Which is what I assumed. There can be peace between organics and synthetics without the need for integrating with them. If the Leviathan are around as enemies, either Red didn't kill them, Green meant nothing to them or Shep was unable to control them. In that case, all endings were a failure.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2020 17:43:31 GMT
Maybe some things will be retconned. I said this on the mass effect subreddit but I was downvoted into oblivion and deleted my post Wish I had seen the post before you deleted. I do hope there isn't a new trilogy on the horizon. It smacks of Disney.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2020 17:48:12 GMT
Andromeda being connected would be a waste for overall appeal. But this forum is basically a splinter cell of the people who still defend that game lol MEA was hated by a minority of loud people on the internet. Doesn't mean it was roundly hated. If BW can find a way to at least someone appease fans of both, why wouldn't they do it? And with devs from the MET on board, we have a better shot at a game that would appeal to everyone. I loved Ryder. I truly believe Ryder was meant to be the polar opposite of Shepard. Maybe that was a mistake but I can imagine a more seasoned Ryder would appear in any future games with him.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2020 17:49:30 GMT
Good. That ending needed to be retconned 8 years ago. Wonder what they'll do with the geth / quarians situation though Nothing special. If relays can be rebuilt so can geth. If the original programming is present over the Reaper software, it could work.
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Post by Adia on Dec 12, 2020 17:53:51 GMT
Good. That ending needed to be retconned 8 years ago. Wonder what they'll do with the geth / quarians situation though Nothing special. If relays can be rebuilt so can geth. If the original programming is present over the Reaper software, it could work. The quarians though? that's an entire race that can either be dead or alive.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 12, 2020 18:26:40 GMT
Andromeda being connected would be a waste for overall appeal. But this forum is basically a splinter cell of the people who still defend that game lol MEA was hated by a minority of loud people on the internet. Doesn't mean it was roundly hated. If BW can find a way to at least someone appease fans of both, why wouldn't they do it? And with devs from the MET on board, we have a better shot at a game that would appeal to everyone. I loved Ryder. I truly believe Ryder was meant to be the polar opposite of Shepard. Maybe that was a mistake but I can imagine a more seasoned Ryder would appear in any future games with him. MEA may have been hated by a minority of loud people but it was loved by even less. I'm not sure if you add in people who just liked it it would reach that loud hate minority level. If they can find some magic wand that makes everyone happy, sure go for it. Right now I suspect they are just targeting the majority while not wanting to alienate the rest.
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It just got to steam, the only people who still give a crap about it are the people who like it already. Metacritic has it sitting at a 5.
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