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Post by kalreegar on Dec 12, 2020 19:02:56 GMT
If Sythesis happened and there's a war it will just prove that it did not end war. Which is what I assumed. There can be peace between organics and synthetics without the need for integrating with them. If the Leviathan are around as enemies, either Red didn't kill them, Green meant nothing to them or Shep was unable to control them. In that case, all endings were a failure. I have always thought that with synthesis, the conflict between organics and synthetics, from inevitable (it will arise, sooner or later, no matter what), becomes eventual (it could happen, but also not) peace, cooperation, mutual integration, now becomes possible... but not necessary. things can go wrong with synthesis as well. all of this assuming that the catalyst calculations (which are actually based on leviathan's assumptions), are correct. they may not be. It is very intelligent (theoretically), not infallible and omniscient. I would see no problem with consistency in showing a post-synthesis galaxy devastated by conflicts and wars. the only thing i would hold firm is a greater ease in communicating and weaving relationships between organics and synthetics, but nothing more.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2020 19:04:17 GMT
MEA was hated by a minority of loud people on the internet. Doesn't mean it was roundly hated. If BW can find a way to at least someone appease fans of both, why wouldn't they do it? And with devs from the MET on board, we have a better shot at a game that would appeal to everyone. I loved Ryder. I truly believe Ryder was meant to be the polar opposite of Shepard. Maybe that was a mistake but I can imagine a more seasoned Ryder would appear in any future games with him. MEA may have been hated by a minority of loud people but it was loved by even less. I'm not sure if you add in people who just liked it it would reach that loud hate minority level. If they can find some magic wand that makes everyone happy, sure go for it. Right now I suspect they are just targeting the majority while not wanting to alienate the rest. Indeed. I didn't hate MEA. I was just bored by it.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:13:57 GMT
Andromeda being connected would be a waste for overall appeal. But this forum is basically a splinter cell of the people who still defend that game lol MEA was hated by a minority of loud people on the internet. Doesn't mean it was roundly hated. If BW can find a way to at least someone appease fans of both, why wouldn't they do it? And with devs from the MET on board, we have a better shot at a game that would appeal to everyone. I loved Ryder. I truly believe Ryder was meant to be the polar opposite of Shepard. Maybe that was a mistake but I can imagine a more seasoned Ryder would appear in any future games with him. Oh no, it wasn't hated by a vocal small minority. When you have videos like this out there with nearly 10M views with 231K likes, that's KILLER. The gaming community at large hated Andromeda and BioWare would be wise to keep away from it with a 10 ft pole. There's a reason there's been no DLCs for Andromeda you guys. Besides, the game DOES have horrible ratings on pretty much any ratings website. You could buy Andromeda for like 5$ a few months after its release. I say this with love.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2020 10:31:34 GMT
Andromeda being connected would be a waste for overall appeal. But this forum is basically a splinter cell of the people who still defend that game lol MEA was hated by a minority of loud people on the internet. Doesn't mean it was roundly hated. If BW can find a way to at least someone appease fans of both, why wouldn't they do it? And with devs from the MET on board, we have a better shot at a game that would appeal to everyone. I loved Ryder. I truly believe Ryder was meant to be the polar opposite of Shepard. Maybe that was a mistake but I can imagine a more seasoned Ryder would appear in any future games with him. Hopefully the change in personality is left as a choice. I don’t want Ryder to become some bitter try hard like other people seem to want the PC to be.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 10:34:06 GMT
What will you do, when Shepard is gone then? "What will you do when they catch you? what will you do when they break you? will you continue to fight? what will you become?!"
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 10:51:01 GMT
What will you do, when Shepard is gone then? He isn't. Cause if he is, then so is BioWare. The expectations in the ME5 teaser comments indicate that much.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 13, 2020 10:52:22 GMT
What will you do, when Shepard is gone then? He isn't. Cause if he is, then so is BioWare. The expectations in the ME5 teaser comments indicate that much. I think he is gone. Why would he be alive hundreds of years later? BioWare isnt going anywhere even Shepard has gone already.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 13, 2020 11:06:55 GMT
He isn't. Cause if he is, then so is BioWare. The expectations in the ME5 teaser comments indicate that much. I think he is gone. Why would he be alive hundreds of years later? BioWare isnt going anywhere even Shepard has gone already. We don't know the time frame after the war. Between the fresh debris and lack of sediment on the N7 helmet piece, this is very recent after the war.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:32:52 GMT
If Sythesis happened and there's a war it will just prove that it did not end war. Which is what I assumed. There can be peace between organics and synthetics without the need for integrating with them. If the Leviathan are around as enemies, either Red didn't kill them, Green meant nothing to them or Shep was unable to control them. In that case, all endings were a failure. I have always thought that with synthesis, the conflict between organics and synthetics, from inevitable (it will arise, sooner or later, no matter what), becomes eventual (it could happen, but also not) peace, cooperation, mutual integration, now becomes possible... but not necessary. things can go wrong with synthesis as well. all of this assuming that the catalyst calculations (which are actually based on leviathan's assumptions), are correct. they may not be. It is very intelligent (theoretically), not infallible and omniscient. I would see no problem with consistency in showing a post-synthesis galaxy devastated by conflicts and wars. the only thing i would hold firm is a greater ease in communicating and weaving relationships between organics and synthetics, but nothing more. To me what the Reapers are is essentially already Synthesis. Control (Look at Illusive Man) In my humble opinion Destroy it the only one that makes sense.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 13, 2020 13:40:19 GMT
As gamble said, they intentionally have mw and andromeda. They might do it like that in order for people to speculate whether it's gonna be on mw, andromeda or both. Same for liara. She might be older or maybe not we'll see. It could be set somewhere else too but i higly doubt that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 17, 2020 11:07:16 GMT
I think we've spent way too much time wanking each other off, in here, if we are to assume everything is fine, always, regardless of how bad Bioware is received outside of this place. Bioware games will sell, because of EA's marketing budget and will make up a good portion of their budget, because of EA's tax cut deals with the Canadian government and the USD to CAD ratio. But they are neither making the RoI that EA wants them to, nor are they in good standing in the gaming community. And this has nothing to do with LGBTQ+ representation, it has everything to do with poor writing and Bioware's insistence on sidestepping the problems their titles create, just to blindly stumble into the next one, which is a by-product of the previous one.
Bioware shot ME in both its legs and now with "hinting" at a Shepard return, have shot it in the arm as well. When they come out and say Shepard won't be back, they're going to have another problem in their hands, which they won't be able to fix. If they were smart, they would have nipped it in the bud, either before, or shortly after the trailer. But that wouldn't have got them clicks. This is exactly what this teaser was, clickbait. Generate interest and hype, which they wouldn't have otherwise got off the ground. In the long term, this was a very bad tactic for them.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 20, 2020 8:13:11 GMT
It just got to steam, the only people who still give a crap about it are the people who like it already. Metacritic has it sitting at a 5. Oh so that doesn't count now?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 9:20:34 GMT
Oh so that doesn't count now? If out of the people that bought it on steam, are ones that bought it a second time and then left a good review, then the metric isn't representative. We don't have the clear data to validate that review score. And since people won't be buying a game that got panned both from users and critics, unless to try it out when heavily discounted, we don't know how many of those reviews are legitimate people who gave the game a first or second chance and got something that they liked out of it. It is more likely that people with a positive predisposition toward the game bothered with it and gave it good reviews, while people who didn't like it, skipped it and thus couldn't even review it. Tl;dr it looks very skewed.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 20, 2020 9:31:46 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route. AH, the Faceless Torso ending... Nah, just scrap up some grey splatter and regrow...Liara made a backup copy when you met her in the Normandy cabin.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 20, 2020 9:36:06 GMT
It just got to steam, the only people who still give a crap about it are the people who like it already. Metacritic has it sitting at a 5. Oh so that doesn't count now? Of course not. Didn't you get the memo? Only negative voices count.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 20, 2020 16:06:56 GMT
Oh so that doesn't count now? Of course not. Didn't you get the memo? Only negative voices count. Or obviously skewed poll groups don't count. But hey metacrtic 3.1 user review. I'm sure that is 100% non skewed as well, no one review bombed it at all.
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Post by Tonymac on Dec 23, 2020 15:49:22 GMT
Of course not. Didn't you get the memo? Only negative voices count. Or obviously skewed poll groups don't count. But hey metacrtic 3.1 user review. I'm sure that is 100% non skewed as well, no one review bombed it at all. Quoting Steam figures for an EA game (*Coughcough...Origin..Cough).
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 23, 2020 16:35:20 GMT
Or obviously skewed poll groups don't count. But hey metacrtic 3.1 user review. I'm sure that is 100% non skewed as well, no one review bombed it at all. Quoting Steam figures for an EA game (*Coughcough...Origin..Cough). Making opinions about game one hasnt even played (*coughcough...me3mp"veterans".. cough)
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 23, 2020 16:59:25 GMT
I think he is gone. Why would he be alive hundreds of years later? BioWare isnt going anywhere even Shepard has gone already. We don't know the time frame after the war. Between the fresh debris and lack of sediment on the N7 helmet piece, this is very recent after the war. Take a closer look at Liara.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 23, 2020 17:03:45 GMT
I think we've spent way too much time wanking each other off, in here, if we are to assume everything is fine, always, regardless of how bad Bioware is received outside of this place. Bioware games will sell, because of EA's marketing budget and will make up a good portion of their budget, because of EA's tax cut deals with the Canadian government and the USD to CAD ratio. But they are neither making the RoI that EA wants them to, nor are they in good standing in the gaming community. And this has nothing to do with LGBTQ+ representation, it has everything to do with poor writing and Bioware's insistence on sidestepping the problems their titles create, just to blindly stumble into the next one, which is a by-product of the previous one. Bioware shot ME in both its legs and now with "hinting" at a Shepard return, have shot it in the arm as well. When they come out and say Shepard won't be back, they're going to have another problem in their hands, which they won't be able to fix. If they were smart, they would have nipped it in the bud, either before, or shortly after the trailer. But that wouldn't have got them clicks. This is exactly what this teaser was, clickbait. Generate interest and hype, which they wouldn't have otherwise got off the ground. In the long term, this was a very bad tactic for them. Concerning ROI, do we have any actual numbers there, or even educated guesses? Obviously Anthem's a mess so far; a stupid project which should never have been greenlit in the first place.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 23, 2020 17:11:38 GMT
Concerning ROI, do we have any actual numbers there, Are we going to argue, again, that Andromeda was a huge success that EA stopped supporting and shut the studio down? Every estimate out there, puts it around ME2 sales with a $100 million CA budget. 2.5 million copies sold in 12 months. Google trends backs it up, market analysts back it up. It had worse RoI than a game made 7 years before it, during the great recession. EA will never give numbers for it.
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Post by Tonymac on Dec 23, 2020 18:00:51 GMT
Quoting Steam figures for an EA game (*Coughcough...Origin..Cough). Making opinions about game one hasnt even played (*coughcough...me3mp"veterans".. cough) I make opinions on games I never bought/played because I got burned by ME3. I will NEVER preorder another game, especially a BioWare game. ME3 was such a rancid dogfart that I cut ALL ties to the company. That means no more die cast Normandys, no more N7 Polos, N7 jackets, figurines of Thane and Miranda and Mordin, etc. - BioWare gets no more money. That's the scale of the offense they created with those endings and flipping me off with "Artistic Integrity", saying that I didn't "get it", calling us entitled gamers and shutting down the BSN. It's not just the ending(s), it was the treatment of the fans. Now that BioWare needs to make bread again, they act like they want to listen. They should have listened back when we were yelling at them to grow a few braincells. They refused, and they are still paying for their lack of vision. I wait and watch, see what real reviewers share, and then make the decision to buy a game or not. I saved a lot of money, not by switching to Geico, but by not buying ME:A and Anthem. I'm quite fine with making the decision to not buy a mediocre game - it is my right. I want to play games like ME1 and 2, where I felt on top of the world after defeating Sovereign and after the Suicide Mission. ME3 did not have those moments. There was no bossfight, and I never felt like I won. There were so many plot-holes and unanswered stuff that I kept hoping the game would get better. Then I watched the Milky Way burn down in a torrent of red stupidity and I walked away from BioWare. If they can't match the bar set by Mass one and two, then I'm not buying the game. In fact, I'm so jaded at BioWare I might wait, even if it IS a great game, until it hits the bargain bin. As for ME3 MP, I still play every day. I'm in the top 30/40 in the USA for N7 and CPs. I still play ME1 and 2 on a regular. Part of me hopes that BioWare can get back in the saddle, but I have my doubts about BioWare Magic.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 23, 2020 18:18:00 GMT
I saved a lot of money, not by switching to Geico, but by not buying ME:A and Anthem. Have a like.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 23, 2020 18:33:58 GMT
We don't know the time frame after the war. Between the fresh debris and lack of sediment on the N7 helmet piece, this is very recent after the war. Take a closer look at Liara. While I am inclined to believe that it's set long after ME3, the appearance of a character is not always a helpful indicator.:
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Post by ahglock on Dec 23, 2020 18:43:15 GMT
Yup. It is likely long after ME3 as they do seem to be trying to tie it into MEA, but appearance choices including lines on a face are artistic decisions that can be meant to convey a lot of things.
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