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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 28, 2021 21:10:45 GMT
Sure, but either of the cure choices locks out options, so neither is right or wrong on its own, its just right or wrong based on what you want to happen in ME3. So if you want to cure the genophage, keep it, recruit wrex(almost everyone does)and don't kill wrex(most people don't).You want to sabotage it well you always "can" but the only way to do that without having to shoot mordin in the back is no wrex/don't keep the research. So keeping the research locks out saving mordin. And Mordin is ++ awesome.
Strictly within the scope of ME2, any decision Shepard makes that results in the loss of a crew member is basically the wrong choice. It’s not even a matter of what we want to happen in the story or some philosophical or moral issue, because there’s no tradeoff to consider or some other quandary that makes us decide what’s best for the greater good. It’s just the Commander selecting the wrong person for the job, and that person biting the dust as a result (in this case it’s especially wrong with Tali since she lost her teams twice lol). The one thing that doesn't quite work for me in the squadmate survival/death system in the Collector Base mission is that any loyal squadmate will successfully escort the abducted crew back to the Normandy. I'd have thought that it would require somebody especially capable of either being stealthy or being a one-person army given that the rest of them are in no condition to fight. On my very first playthrough, before I even knew how the whole system worked, I picked Grunt based on the one-person army assumption.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 28, 2021 22:10:13 GMT
Strictly within the scope of ME2, any decision Shepard makes that results in the loss of a crew member is basically the wrong choice. It’s not even a matter of what we want to happen in the story or some philosophical or moral issue, because there’s no tradeoff to consider or some other quandary that makes us decide what’s best for the greater good. It’s just the Commander selecting the wrong person for the job, and that person biting the dust as a result (in this case it’s especially wrong with Tali since she lost her teams twice lol). The one thing that doesn't quite work for me in the squadmate survival/death system in the Collector Base mission is that any loyal squadmate will successfully escort the abducted crew back to the Normandy. I'd have thought that it would require somebody especially capable of either being stealthy or being a one-person army given that the rest of them are in no condition to fight. On my very first playthrough, before I even knew how the whole system worked, I picked Grunt based on the one-person army assumption. Yeah I once sent Kasumi to see if it worked, and sure enough it did. I was assuming she’d just go stealth and everyone would die getting lost lol. Did anyone die holding the line sending Grunt? I assumed he was one of the vital parts of that.
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Post by Radec on Jan 28, 2021 22:17:28 GMT
Sure, but either of the cure choices locks out options, so neither is right or wrong on its own, its just right or wrong based on what you want to happen in ME3. So if you want to cure the genophage, keep it, recruit wrex(almost everyone does)and don't kill wrex(most people don't).You want to sabotage it well you always "can" but the only way to do that without having to shoot mordin in the back is no wrex/don't keep the research. So keeping the research locks out saving mordin. And Mordin is ++ awesome.
Strictly within the scope of ME2, any decision Shepard makes that results in the loss of a crew member is basically the wrong choice. It’s not even a matter of what we want to happen in the story or some philosophical or moral issue, because there’s no tradeoff to consider or some other quandary that makes us decide what’s best for the greater good. It’s just the Commander selecting the wrong person for the job, and that person biting the dust as a result (in this case it’s especially wrong with Tali since she lost her teams twice lol). Unless you're gonna put Jacob in the vent. Then anyone, even Tali, can lead the 2nd team. Same result. XD His dumb ass did volunteer (for a job he's totally unqualified for). Only fair.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 28, 2021 22:20:28 GMT
The one thing that doesn't quite work for me in the squadmate survival/death system in the Collector Base mission is that any loyal squadmate will successfully escort the abducted crew back to the Normandy. I'd have thought that it would require somebody especially capable of either being stealthy or being a one-person army given that the rest of them are in no condition to fight. On my very first playthrough, before I even knew how the whole system worked, I picked Grunt based on the one-person army assumption. Yeah I once sent Kasumi to see if it worked, and sure enough it did. I was assuming she’d just go stealth and everyone would die getting lost lol. Did anyone die holding the line sending Grunt? I assumed he was one of the vital parts of that. No, but I had already lost Jack and Garrus by picking them for options I really shouldn't have, and I didn't have Tali, Kasumi, or Zaeed in the crew at all. It was a completely blind playthrough and something of a speed-run for reasons not really worth explaining, so quite a few recruitment and loyalty missions got skipped.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 28, 2021 22:22:59 GMT
Strictly within the scope of ME2, any decision Shepard makes that results in the loss of a crew member is basically the wrong choice. It’s not even a matter of what we want to happen in the story or some philosophical or moral issue, because there’s no tradeoff to consider or some other quandary that makes us decide what’s best for the greater good. It’s just the Commander selecting the wrong person for the job, and that person biting the dust as a result (in this case it’s especially wrong with Tali since she lost her teams twice lol). Unless you're gonna put Jacob in the vent. Then anyone, even Tali, can lead the 2nd team. Same result. XD His dumb ass did volunteer (for a job he's totally unqualified for). Only fair. Well yeah Jacob doesn’t count. He’s Jacob. At least my boy understands that there’s a bright red shirt underneath that tactical leotard.
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Post by Radec on Jan 28, 2021 22:24:48 GMT
Yeah I once sent Kasumi to see if it worked, and sure enough it did. I was assuming she’d just go stealth and everyone would die getting lost lol. Did anyone die holding the line sending Grunt? I assumed he was one of the vital parts of that. No, but I had already lost Jack and Garrus by picking them for options I really shouldn't have, and I didn't have Tali, Kasumi, or Zaeed in the crew at all. It was a completely blind playthrough and something of a speed-run for reasons not really worth explaining, so quite a few recruitment and loyalty missions got skipped. That you were missing all of Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus but still passed the hold the line part with no losses is lucky. They're the 3 most impactful teammates for that section. But then Kasumi and Tali (along with Mordin) are the ones most likely to die there, and you were missing them.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 28, 2021 22:54:43 GMT
There are different ways for all to survive and different ways for all to die. All squadmates don't need to be loyal for all to survive. All squadmates don't need to be recruited for everyone to survive. For more details, look at the suicide mission thread. It goes into detail about this, that, and the other thing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 28, 2021 23:19:55 GMT
My favorite death is whoever getting vaporized by the Normandy’s core.
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Post by Radec on Jan 28, 2021 23:44:49 GMT
My favorite death is whoever getting vaporized by the Normandy’s core. They want you to get a whole high tech quarian shield thing to keep that from happening. Just put a fucking bulkhead there lmao. Or at the very least a door or transparent window (like the ones in Mordin's lab that look down on jt and seemingly arent broken by the overload). Theres no reason for that walkway except as a setting for impractical sex scenes.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 29, 2021 1:16:12 GMT
My favorite death is whoever getting vaporized by the Normandy’s core. They want you to get a whole high tech quarian shield thing to keep that from happening. Just put a fucking bulkhead there lmao. Or at the very least a door or transparent window (like the ones in Mordin's lab that look down on jt and seemingly arent broken by the overload). Theres no reason for that walkway except as a setting for impractical sex scenes. I’m not sure whose bright idea it was to even stage a sex scene anywhere but Shepard’s private quarters. “You know, I have an actual bed. It’ll be comfier.” ”Nonsense Shepard. The cold hard grate next to the pulsating reactor is fine.” I like to think Jacob was watching.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 29, 2021 3:23:38 GMT
They want you to get a whole high tech quarian shield thing to keep that from happening. Just put a fucking bulkhead there lmao. Or at the very least a door or transparent window (like the ones in Mordin's lab that look down on jt and seemingly arent broken by the overload). Theres no reason for that walkway except as a setting for impractical sex scenes. I’m not sure whose bright idea it was to even stage a sex scene anywhere but Shepard’s private quarters. “You know, I have an actual bed. It’ll be comfier.” ”Nonsense Shepard. The cold hard grate next to the pulsating reactor is fine.” I like to think Jacob was watching.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 29, 2021 7:34:24 GMT
Metacritic has been garbage for a looooong time. Not sure which is worse to go to for opinions, it or youtube. Of course, people bring up youtube videos like they are the purveyor of objective truth. I think it’s safer to say professional reviews are closer to the overall consensus. Sad that professional critics have become more trustworthy for reviews than “fan” reviews. Fan reviews used to be reliable. Well, outside of the Nintendo cult. The good thing about the Steam reviews are that it has people who are disconnected from the whiners honestly looking at the product. They "missed out" on the crybabies making YT vidoes. Sure, dislike a game, no problem. They took it to an entirely different level. Not sure I think professional reviews are trustworthy. They follow the socio-political agenda of the day. I agree. Also i saw now it is on most popular on gamepass.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 29, 2021 15:42:39 GMT
No, but I had already lost Jack and Garrus by picking them for options I really shouldn't have, and I didn't have Tali, Kasumi, or Zaeed in the crew at all. It was a completely blind playthrough and something of a speed-run for reasons not really worth explaining, so quite a few recruitment and loyalty missions got skipped. That you were missing all of Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus but still passed the hold the line part with no losses is lucky. They're the 3 most impactful teammates for that section. But then Kasumi and Tali (along with Mordin) are the ones most likely to die there, and you were missing them. Now that I think about it, I think Thane and Legion were also dead by the time of Hold The Line - Thane got killed en route to the base, I guess because I didn't have Tali and her Normandy shield upgrades, and Legion got snatched by a seeker swarm at the end of The Long Walk. And I may have had Mordin with Shepard for the Human Reaper, so that probably kept him safe while only a few squadmates were holding the line.
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Post by Radec on Jan 29, 2021 17:37:30 GMT
They want you to get a whole high tech quarian shield thing to keep that from happening. Just put a fucking bulkhead there lmao. Or at the very least a door or transparent window (like the ones in Mordin's lab that look down on jt and seemingly arent broken by the overload). Theres no reason for that walkway except as a setting for impractical sex scenes. I’m not sure whose bright idea it was to even stage a sex scene anywhere but Shepard’s private quarters. “You know, I have an actual bed. It’ll be comfier.” ”Nonsense Shepard. The cold hard grate next to the pulsating reactor is fine.” I like to think Jacob was watching. Yes, he seems like a man that enjoys a good cuckening. Kasumi was definitely watching too. "Really Shepard, in the Engine room? Right where Tali works" It's totally logical the only two people with private quarters on the ship prefer the cold metal grate on the floor. Also I wonder what poor Javik felt if and when if ever accidentally touched that spot. Degenerate primitives.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 29, 2021 17:53:23 GMT
I’m not sure whose bright idea it was to even stage a sex scene anywhere but Shepard’s private quarters. “You know, I have an actual bed. It’ll be comfier.” ”Nonsense Shepard. The cold hard grate next to the pulsating reactor is fine.” I like to think Jacob was watching. Yes, he seems like a man that enjoys a good cuckening. Kasumi was definitely watching too. "Really Shepard, in the Engine room? Right where Tali works" It's totally logical the only two people with private quarters on the ship prefer the cold metal grate on the floor. Also I wonder what poor Javik felt if and when if ever accidentally touched that spot. Degenerate primitives. Just imagine the next status updates from the rest of the engineering crew. Ken: "Commander I uh...wanted ta letcha know I've been doing a systems diagnostic of tha Normandy's auxiliary subsystems in the Tantalus drive's static dispersion manifolds, n' I found anomalous readings due to n overabundance of biological contaminants in the pow... Gabby: "There was splooge in the wiring."
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 30, 2021 3:11:03 GMT
To be fair, the only outcomes where Liara is dead also see the galaxy virtually scoured of life due to the relays exploding, I believe. Be pretty hard to get a sequel from that outcome. Can't she die on the beam run?
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Post by ahglock on Jan 30, 2021 6:08:47 GMT
To be fair, the only outcomes where Liara is dead also see the galaxy virtually scoured of life due to the relays exploding, I believe. Be pretty hard to get a sequel from that outcome. Can't she die on the beam run?
Yeah its pretty low EMS, so I think it lines up with a jacked up galaxy mentioned. Basically max 2000 ems. You can choose destroy or control as opposed to it being chosen for you based on your end ME2 decision, but earth is toast and I think whether or not its control or destroy the relays are super jacked up.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 30, 2021 21:17:08 GMT
Remember there's an ending where Shepard lives. I imagine that'll wind up as the canon ending if they go that route. In which case, setting the game 600 years into the future means we can ignore how Shepard died coz they're dead either way. shepard is half cyborg at this point so who knows how long he can live. Besides I don't understand how people are so sure Liara is old. It a damn trailer and as we saw in ME3 with ashley bioware sometimes changes characters apperances
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Post by Phantom on Jan 30, 2021 21:19:14 GMT
In which case, setting the game 600 years into the future means we can ignore how Shepard died coz they're dead either way. shepard is half cyborg at this point so who knows how long he can live. Besides I don't understand how people are so sure Liara is old. It a damn trailer and as we saw in ME3 with ashley bioware sometimes changes characters apperances there is no such thing as a half cyborg. You are either a cyborg or not a cyborg.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2021 21:44:31 GMT
To be fair, the only outcomes where Liara is dead also see the galaxy virtually scoured of life due to the relays exploding, I believe. Be pretty hard to get a sequel from that outcome. Can't she die on the beam run? Yes. If ems is below 2000, and she's taken on the beam run, Harbinger will vaporize her. If ems is between 1750-2000, she will die, as mentioned, but there will still be a memorial scene, and the galaxy is shown being rebuilt. If below 1750, the door to the SR2 doesn't fully open suggesting all onboard are dead. That's the other way she can die if not taken on the beam run.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 31, 2021 1:16:35 GMT
In which case, setting the game 600 years into the future means we can ignore how Shepard died coz they're dead either way. shepard is half cyborg at this point so who knows how long he can live. Besides I don't understand how people are so sure Liara is old. It a damn trailer and as we saw in ME3 with ashley bioware sometimes changes characters apperances Ugh, don't remind me...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2021 1:38:14 GMT
shepard is half cyborg at this point so who knows how long he can live. Besides I don't understand how people are so sure Liara is old. It a damn trailer and as we saw in ME3 with ashley bioware sometimes changes characters apperancesUgh, don't remind me... At least she had an option for full armor too, so that was nice.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 31, 2021 2:39:39 GMT
Ugh, don't remind me... At least she had an option for full armor too, so that was nice. Yeah, but her standard Alliance uniform was a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. No proper Alliance uniform. She got stuck being Mass Effect Barbie.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 31, 2021 3:22:10 GMT
They want you to get a whole high tech quarian shield thing to keep that from happening. Just put a fucking bulkhead there lmao. Or at the very least a door or transparent window (like the ones in Mordin's lab that look down on jt and seemingly arent broken by the overload). Theres no reason for that walkway except as a setting for impractical sex scenes. I’m not sure whose bright idea it was to even stage a sex scene anywhere but Shepard’s private quarters. “You know, I have an actual bed. It’ll be comfier.” ”Nonsense Shepard. The cold hard grate next to the pulsating reactor is fine.” I like to think Jacob was watching. My fanwank is that Miranda knew that TIM had cameras all over the ship, so she wanted to do it where there weren't any. Unfortunately, that just diverts the creepiness to the other scenes.
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Post by Radec on Jan 31, 2021 15:28:30 GMT
At least she had an option for full armor too, so that was nice. Yeah, but her standard Alliance uniform was a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. No proper Alliance uniform. She got stuck being Mass Effect Barbie. Looked really stupid in ME3 at the Alliance HQ where you have all these high ranking officers walking around in dress blues, and then Ashley looking like she's about to hit the club and James with only half of his uniform on.
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