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Post by biggydx on Dec 14, 2020 18:20:31 GMT
So with the new trailer, there are some things that can either be implied or speculated upon. Much of these can be built on what we already know based on the final world state of the original trilogy. I'd figure I'd put this thread together so maybe we could collect our thoughts on what tones, concepts, plot points, and themes might be present in the next installment. I want to put my own input out there to get things rolling, and I'll try to touch on big/small picture items; but not the minutia (ex. Aria's gonna do 'X'). The Milky WayWhile it isn't clear what the definitive world state is when it comes to the ending of ME3, based on the new trailer it seems as though BioWare has canonized the Destroy ending of ME3; a choice that was the most common one chosen by players. Regardless of this, there are major and minor plot points that we are aware of that could serve as significant gamechangers in the ongoing history of the Milky Way species; post-ME3.Major Points - The Reaper war has not only devastated inhabited planets of all intelligent species, but also their respective infrastructure, cultural artifacts, economies, and military forces. There's some good chance that a few species we used to see in MET may no longer be around. As an example, the Elcor ambassador in ME3 (assuming you did their sidequest) mentions that although Shepards actions helped save some of the populace on Dekuuna, the ambassador somberly replies that it was, "not enough". This suggests that the species is likely facing extinction at the end of ME3.- The firing of the Crucible, and the ensuing destruction of the Mass Effect relays, has severally hampered interstellar travel. Given these relays could allow the crossing of the Milky Way (a celestial body hundreds of thousands of light years long) within the span of a few hours/days, losing this technology may have effectively cut off all contact and goods transport across the galaxy. Peoples and space-fairing ships are likely stranded, and planets with individuals in need of resources after the Reaper conflict are probably facing dire straits; or worse.
- The destruction of the relays means that there's likely a loss in information sharing. This could translate into stagnation of scientific advancement, if not outright regression - technologically - for certain species. With that said, I can see a major scientific initiative being undertaken in order to (1) rebuild the relays, (2) construct new relays, or (3) develop new FTL technology that makes it unnecessary for new relays. Based on concept art of Milky Way species developing what appeared to be a Mass Relay (in the 25 Years of BioWare book), option 2 seems to be the most likely action.The Milky Way RacesSince we don't know how, or even if, our choices from the previous game will be imparted over, there's no real canon idea behind how each of the conflicts/dilemmas facing each species has been resolved. There could be some chance of BioWare canonizing aggregate player choices in this matter. Major Points- Based on the Mass Effect 3 infographic, 37% of players saved the Geth, with 36% of players saving both species.Given that the Crucible is supposed to destroy all synthetic life in the galaxy, the chances of the Geth returning in some fashion is in question. It may be that the Geth were able to impart some information to the Quarians (like how to improve their suits) before their destruction, but that's yet to be seen. The Quarians may even try to revive the Geth through some other means, though with more care being taken to treat them as equals. - Should information be made public about The Citadel Council knowing about the Reaper Invasion, as well as them being informed about the threat by Shepard nearly three years in advance, there's a strong possibility of backlash across the entire Galaxy about their mishandling of this event. Species whom only had marginal - or no - political influence may seek to capitalize on this upheaval in order to supplant themselves in higher positions of power. At its worse, this could lead to significant racial tensions towards the Asari, Turians, and Salarians. Minor Points
- Shepard's actions during the events prior, and leading up to, the final moments of the Reaper invasion will likely have reverberations across the Galaxy. Many will likely come to revere him, or - for those who are more spiritual - may come to worship him. His influence in uniting the galaxies species together to fight against the Reapers will be a testament of what it means to be both a soldier and a leader. - Humanity is probably pretty in dire straits after the Reaper War. Given that our colonization efforts were still in their infancy since the activation of the Charon relay, on top of the Collector raids on Human settlements, there's some chance we'd be the ones receiving aid in the immediate. Humanities main resource hub, security force, and remaining foothold, has likely been reduced to Earth; with other remaining populations being on the Citadel. All that being said, other races are more likely to want to help us out in the onset given our leading role in turning the tide against the Reapers; especially with the action of Shepard at our back. After what ensued on Earth, following the Reaper invasion, there's a pretty strong chance that Humanity will be the Asari's biggest competitor for leader of the Citadel Council, as well as leaders for the Galaxy as a whole. Shepard's actions will likely serve as a strong argument for Humanities forethought and judgement, as well as its ability to lead against major threats. This would probably be a pretty compelling argument for many species in the Milky Way to have Humanity supersede the Asari, if not stand as the sole leader of the Citadel Council. It might piss off some Turians, but I could see tensions between the two races lessening after the Reaper War. Overall, I think Humanity would see significantly more deference from other Milky Way races following ME3. I don't think we'd solely be the good guys in this though. There's a pretty good chance Humanity will try to milk the legacy of Shepard at every turn they get; to gain an advantage. Most notably - in my mind - would be the bolstering of military servicemen in The Alliance. In addition, Humanity may try to have the N7 program serve as the face of a multi-racial military force, as by the end of ME3, multiple races were being recruited into the program. This program would act as a symbol of Humanities efforts in working with other species, and could further bolster their ability to leverage resources from other species (i.e. Give us 'X', and we'll provide security for you). - With the revelation of the Asari not only knowing about the Protheans (being their own creations), but also having sole access to highly advanced technology they kept secret from all other races, there's likely to be calls for them to step down from the Citadel Council for a number of (speculative) reasons: - Some species will interpret their "leadership" as merely being gifted to them by a more powerful species, and not one of their own doing.
- The hiding of technology may have led to the Milky Way species - as a whole - being less technologically prepared for the Reapers.
- The hiding of the Protheans interactions with their species may have prevented other species from potentially discovering evidence of the Reapers. The logic behind this is that a scientific community (at large) could have investigated the Prothean VI with unique methodologies unused by the Asari. This in turn could have led to the revelations about the Reapers.
It should be noted that just because a hand-full of Asari knew about the Protheans and the VI, does not mean that all of them did. Given this information, as well as us knowing that the Protheans had a hand in shaping the Asari to be leaders of the galaxy, there's a good chance that a new religion will spring up from this. Delusions of Grandeur and calls of godhood are sure to lead to fanatical sects within the Asari populace, and could even be bolstered by small segments of other species revering them even more dearly. Given the Asari's knowledge of the Prothean VI, they may try to leverage its information for continued standing in The Council. Such information could help in the rebuilding efforts for the Milky Way galaxies Mass Relays, so it would serve as a pretty strong negotiating point in talks with other species. - Turians are a pretty hardy race in their own right, and given their military prowess there's some chance they end up becoming the Galaxies primary police force. This could end up leading to situations of Martial Law being enacted in areas where they have a clear and dominate presence. Some species will tolerate it, as the efforts of the Turians might help in facilitating civil peace and lead to timely resource acquisition. Others, however, are sure to find it invasive and unwarranted. C-Sec could be the seed to which this Galactic force sprouts out of, as the Turians are largely its biggest managers. - Salarians will likely be at the forefront of studying the remnants of the Reaper artifacts/ships, as well as leading technological efforts for rebuilding the Mass Relays. Apart from that, if its ever revealed that the Dalatrass wanted the Krogan to continue suffering from the genophage, that would serve as a huge pain-point in future interactions between the Krogan and Salarians. Still, there's a high likelihood that relations will improve if BioWare decides to canonize the curing of the genophage. The earlier mentioned infographic showed that a vast majority of players did not shoot Mordin (only 3%). Outside of that, I can't really speculate much else. - Krogans will without a doubt get some degree of veneration for their help in the Reaper conflict. Though interstellar travel might be hampered, they may be called upon by The Council to serve as a insurgent police force for the Galaxy; maybe alongside Turians. This could pose as a problem for Turians with long-standing grudges against the group. Some Krogans might use this to their advantage, and argue that they deserve better standing as a Milky Way species (including resource-based privilege's). Others in the species may argue against such actions, and try to persuade their kind that now is a time for them to turn to a new path and gain the favor of the other Milky Way races through good deeds. The effort could be an effort led by Wrex or Grunt. - Quarians being an already nomadic and salvage-heavy species may become more pivotal to rebuilding efforts in the Milky Way than any other species. They're ability to find various technology (a practice already common to their culture), as well as being able to extract alot from very little, means they'll likely serve as a more vocal species in matters related to resource gathering and transport. They could also have a greater say in scientific advancements/sustainment, as they may be able to provide less orthodox methods of achieving a more strenuous goal. - There's not much I can speculate on when it comes to the other races. The Drell were already a species facing extinction, and its likely this situation has worsened due to Reaper War. The Volus might use their economic power to influence various trade deals in their favor, in order to gain preference in rebuilding their own planets and territories. Vorcha are Vorcha. The Hannar may not have suffered that much given their aquatic background and them leaving much of their fighting to VI's. Some Batarians will probably try to exploit the state of the Galaxy to their own benefit or to enact vengeance, especially after the destruction of one of their major systems. These are some of the major themes and plot points I could come up with off the top of my head. I know I'm also leaving out the Andromeda galaxy in all this, which there's some chance (based on Mike Gambles twitter comment) there will still be an influence from. If any of you guys have any ideas of your own, feel free to share.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Dec 15, 2020 16:44:16 GMT
Who cares ? Andromeda is the place to be.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 15, 2020 17:11:18 GMT
It would be interesting to see if there is a power vacuum after the events of the Reaper War, and if the Alliance and humanity may try to take advantage of it. There are a lot of dynamics that could unfold from that. The Citadel is also suggested to stay pinched to Earth via London in ending cutscenes. This may also be used as leverage for humanity to claim control if not for Shepard (and his legacy if he's passed on) saving the galaxy. Other races typically resistant to the Alliance, like the Batarians, were nearly decimated by the Reapers and could never stand up to the Alliance. Very curious. Who cares ? Andromeda is the place to be. Wow, typical. If you looked around for a second, you'd realize most people with ME history don't want anything to do with Andromeda. If cheesy, cringy teenage characters with lackluster plots and dynamics are your thing, then please, go play the Sims. The only way Andromeda deserves to be included in any of this is if the kett or scourge somehow manage to threaten the Milky way and Shepard/MW team go in with reaper tech and put them in their place. But that would preferably be a side mission or DLC and far from the main MW plot.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 15, 2020 17:36:20 GMT
- Shepard's actions during the events prior, and leading up to, the final moments of the Reaper invasion will likely have reverberations across the Galaxy. Many will likely come to revere him, or - for those who are more spiritual - may come to worship him. His influence in uniting the galaxies species together to fight against the Reapers will be a testament of what it means to be both a soldier and a leader. If we ask Timmy, he pretended that to be the case ever since after ME's climax. After what ensued on Earth, following the Reaper invasion, there's a pretty strong chance that Humanity will be the Asari's biggest competitor for leader of the Citadel Council, as well as leaders for the Galaxy as a whole. Shepard's actions will likely serve as a strong argument for Humanities forethought and judgement, as well as its ability to lead against major threats. This would probably be a pretty compelling argument for many species in the Milky Way to have Humanity supersede the Asari, if not stand as the sole leader of the Citadel Council. It might piss off some Turians, but I could see tensions between the two races lessening after the Reaper War. Overall, I think Humanity would see significantly more deference from other Milky Way races following ME3. Eh, if anybody remembers that a private army of genocidial human-supremacy terrorists attacked the Citadel and benefitted the Reapers at many turns, I'd say humanity might end up under more scrutiny than the asari matriarch mafia. In the latter case, most of the asari populace porbably did not know about what was going on and might get pissed at the matriarchs all the same, while quite a large number of the most ridiculous Cerberus operations were quite... public. So others getting pissed at humans for not clearing up their dirty laundry should be expected, if the "aliens" (and writers) have any sense.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 17:59:58 GMT
Eh, if anybody remembers that a private army of genocidial human-supremacy terrorists attacked the Citadel and benefitted the Reapers at many turns, I'd say humanity might end up under more scrutiny than the asari matriarch mafia. In the latter case, most of the asari populace porbably did not know about what was going on and might get pissed at the matriarchs all the same, while quite a large number of the most ridiculous Cerberus operations were quite... public. So others getting pissed at humans for not clearing up their dirty laundry should be expected, if the "aliens" (and writers) have any sense. If anybody remembers the asari not revealing the artifact earlier that might have saved x numbers of lives. And then there's the asari refusing to show up to the summit. What explanation will be given from them when asked? How many lives might have been lost by them not revealing that artifact earlier vs how lives were taken by Cerberus?
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 19:04:20 GMT
Who cares ? Andromeda is the place to be. Hahahahahahahahaha.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 19:10:52 GMT
OT: The whole council and specifically calls for Asari to step down and an ensuing fight between Humans and Asari (politically more so) could be very interesting. Another reason I would be down for a game set just after the war, maybe a year or two after. Although again, I still remain skeptical about Bioware's capabilities at this point. ME3's ending, Andromeda and Anthem do not inspire confidence.
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Post by biggydx on Dec 15, 2020 19:22:31 GMT
- Shepard's actions during the events prior, and leading up to, the final moments of the Reaper invasion will likely have reverberations across the Galaxy. Many will likely come to revere him, or - for those who are more spiritual - may come to worship him. His influence in uniting the galaxies species together to fight against the Reapers will be a testament of what it means to be both a soldier and a leader. If we ask Timmy, he pretended that to be the case ever since after ME's climax. After what ensued on Earth, following the Reaper invasion, there's a pretty strong chance that Humanity will be the Asari's biggest competitor for leader of the Citadel Council, as well as leaders for the Galaxy as a whole. Shepard's actions will likely serve as a strong argument for Humanities forethought and judgement, as well as its ability to lead against major threats. This would probably be a pretty compelling argument for many species in the Milky Way to have Humanity supersede the Asari, if not stand as the sole leader of the Citadel Council. It might piss off some Turians, but I could see tensions between the two races lessening after the Reaper War. Overall, I think Humanity would see significantly more deference from other Milky Way races following ME3. Eh, if anybody remembers that a private army of genocidial human-supremacy terrorists attacked the Citadel and benefitted the Reapers at many turns, I'd say humanity might end up under more scrutiny than the asari matriarch mafia. In the latter case, most of the asari populace porbably did not know about what was going on and might get pissed at the matriarchs all the same, while quite a large number of the most ridiculous Cerberus operations were quite... public. So others getting pissed at humans for not clearing up their dirty laundry should be expected, if the "aliens" (and writers) have any sense. That's actually a good point about Cerberus that I neglected.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 16, 2020 1:16:12 GMT
Eh, if anybody remembers that a private army of genocidial human-supremacy terrorists attacked the Citadel and benefitted the Reapers at many turns, I'd say humanity might end up under more scrutiny than the asari matriarch mafia. In the latter case, most of the asari populace porbably did not know about what was going on and might get pissed at the matriarchs all the same, while quite a large number of the most ridiculous Cerberus operations were quite... public. So others getting pissed at humans for not clearing up their dirty laundry should be expected, if the "aliens" (and writers) have any sense. If anybody remembers the asari not revealing the artifact earlier that might have saved x numbers of lives. And then there's the asari refusing to show up to the summit. What explanation will be given from them when asked? How many lives might have been lost by them not revealing that artifact earlier vs how lives were taken by Cerberus? Hah, I did not expect my remark to be that good a piece of trollbait. I'm not sure if this is the really some death toll olympics here... Cerberus has been killing all sorts of people, humans included *lol*, left and right from the get-go, and by Mars they are actively undermining the war effort, whereas the beacon issue is slightly more hypothetical. One passive by neglect of information, the other is... actively helping the enemy by killing our forces and populace. And I did mention that the asari populace would be pissed if they discovered the matriarch mafia's shenanigans, if these troops on Thessia having to be meatshield for Shepard because CLASSIFIED is any indication. Oh, and some idiotic egoism on part of the leadership is present with Udina as well. As I recall, the post-coup theories via codex suggested that the buffoon tried to achieve what? Making all Council forces go to defend Earth, dropping everything else? I would have liked to see the next best turian fleet commander going "Ain't gonna happen, bro" immediately.
If we ask Timmy, he pretended that to be the case ever since after ME's climax. Eh, if anybody remembers that a private army of genocidial human-supremacy terrorists attacked the Citadel and benefitted the Reapers at many turns, I'd say humanity might end up under more scrutiny than the asari matriarch mafia. In the latter case, most of the asari populace porbably did not know about what was going on and might get pissed at the matriarchs all the same, while quite a large number of the most ridiculous Cerberus operations were quite... public. So others getting pissed at humans for not clearing up their dirty laundry should be expected, if the "aliens" (and writers) have any sense. That's actually a good point about Cerberus that I neglected. Heh, if you take into account the reaction above... forgetting it is no issue. I guess there should be some backlash in nearly all major races' goverments. The asari over the beacon hiding, some Salarians aren't too fond of their comically ignorant Dalatrass if the STG forces we can get regardless of Genophage descision are any indication. Though I guess some humans would be willing to handwave Cerberus BS "because it didn't kill humans" or something, which is of course false. I suspect even the whole Horizon shenanigans could have been quickly brought to public attention by one of the Lawsons...
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Post by degrees on Dec 16, 2020 5:01:38 GMT
No Cerberus that would be nice. Lame without the Illusive Man anyway. Guy carried that lot uninteresting without him.
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Post by mgsmsc on Dec 16, 2020 23:20:39 GMT
All those choices and outcomes look like a bit of problem assuming they do go back. I suppose you can contrive some things away up to a point or they can make your mind up for you as to galactic history - either way there is a risk of irking folk. I'm not sure given the level of destruction that the finer points of who did what when are going to matter a few hundred years into the future. The council and major races of the trilogy might not be much of a force either. Although in those ending scenes things did look somewhat idyllic..... I think the more they keep of the old universe the harder it becomes to reconcile different players choices.
For all its faults (or strengths if you liked it) I think Andromeda is an easier albeit less popular place to go back to.
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Post by Salitiborne on Jan 8, 2021 12:23:30 GMT
If i remember correct there is a scene in the Destroy ending where the Citadel is rebuilt and floating over Earth somehow. So there could be a possibility that humans will sort of find themselves in the situation that they will be able to benefit from the proximity of the Citadel and that we managed to rebuild it and maybe study it in a better way. The Crucible gathered a huge group of the best scientific mind from all over the galaxy, together maybe they revealed something interesting regarding the mass relay technology. The political repercussions might and might not occur, that in my opinion depends on the will of the Council and all the important people involved in the fate of the galaxy to share all this information with general public. Some facts like Asari hiding the Prothean VI and beacon might stay classified for the sake of peace. I get the feeling that humans will not be seen as the bad ones, after all Shepard managed to unite the galaxy in the fight with Reapers. But apart from that there is the mysterious Illusive Man who seemed to have the knowledge "out of this world" setting us up with the Collector Base etc. To me his eyes were interesting, they looked almost like indoctrinated Saren's eyes. I'm gonna go far with my speculations but what if he actually was contacted somehow by Reapers, they "recruited him" just like they somehow managed with Saren, and then they wanted him to "deliver" Shepard to them. What if Reapers are "guardians" of all life in the Universe and Jardaans were also trying to fight them in Andromeda but went extinct with the help of the Scourge being released into the Andromeda from the dark space? If there were 5 Arks (1 - Humans, 2 - Asari, 3 - Turians, 4 - Salarians, 5 - Quarians?) then maybe the Ark 6 would be like Noah's Ark consisting of all life forms from Milky Way so Humans, Asari, Turians, Quarians, Geth, Hanar, Elcor, Drell, Volus, Vorcha, maybe even Rachni and the Prothean Javik? And the MR-7 relay from the concept art, it has colours similar to Cerberus but that might be coincidence. I have noticed something interesting though, I accidentally found some information about Virtual Alien (https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Virtual_Alien). As we can read from that website: The virtual aliens are a race of some one billion individuals who downloaded their minds into a virtual world aboard a starship long ago to avoid the destruction of their civilization. As of 2185 CE, the virtual aliens have established diplomatic contact with the Citadel Council in order to secure a new power source for the systems that maintain their virtual world. The aliens' name for themselves is currently unknown. Approximately 8,000 years ago, the virtual aliens faced an imminent crisis: their homeworld's star was about to go supernova. To survive, the virtual aliens built a starship equipped with a network of supercomputers. One billion virtual aliens transferred their consciousnesses into the supercomputers, which contained an entire virtual world for them to inhabit for the duration of the crisis. With a purpose-built AI piloting the ship and maintaining the virtual world, the virtual aliens departed their home system and began a millennia-long sojourn across the galaxy.That is something I am unfamiliar with, I don't remember it being mentioned in the game, supposedly it comes from the Cerberus Daily News. This Virtual Alien arrived to Milky Way and made contact with the Council in 2185, the same year that Andromeda Intiative's Hyperion was launched. Maybe it is the Jardaan although I am not sure how to connect the supernova with the black hole... What if it's this Virtual Alien race mentioned in the trailer and not the Dyson Megastructure that could have been built by the Geth? Maybe this Virtual Alien race gave us some technology that would enable us to rebuild mass relays or perhaps some better drive system that would help us travel faster to Andromeda or even just across Milky Way? I know, I know, maybe some of my ideas are dumb or too crazy or I am missing a point here and there but that's just me being unable to wait calmly for the new ME Plus my boyfriend can't listen to me anymore talking about Mass Effect so I hope to find some people to talk here on this forum EDIT: I have also found some other 'clue'. Another piece of art from the BioWare book are those pillar-like structure that resemble Remnant / Prothean technology. With the key word Prothean. Do you remember the cut scene from Suvi's romance from Andromeda? She is watching some holograph of a structure that might be looking like a DNA quadruple helix. Weren't the Protheans the ones with that kind of DNA? The ME wiki says From the few specimens of Prothean genetic material that have been found, modern scientists have learned that Protheans have a unique "quad-strand" DNA. Suspicious...
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 8, 2021 14:13:28 GMT
EDIT: I have also found some other 'clue'. Another piece of art from the BioWare book are those pillar-like structure that resemble Remnant / Prothean technology. With the key word Prothean. Is it written in the bioware book?
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Post by jadebaby88 on Jan 8, 2021 15:03:15 GMT
Indoctrination Theory being correct would be the best outcome imo. What a legendary twist that would be after nearly 10 years (by the time it comes out).
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 10, 2021 12:04:25 GMT
I'm curious how the Alliance will be handled. Post Destroy always felt sets up a vacuum of cvilian leadership. They probably won't have the alliance going down an military authoritarian line (because of how deeply they are wedded to the N7 brand) but that always felt a danger in that scenario(if it is what they are canonising)
Also did half wonder if we are going to get humanity having been cut off from the rest of the galaxy for 600 years type scenario. Not quite a technological dark age but at least a isonaltionism and retreat to sol. Almost a reset where the player gets introduced to whatever has happened during that time in other parts.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 10, 2021 12:20:43 GMT
I’m keeping my expectations rather low for the overall complexities that would come with whatever outcome of the trilogy BioWare decides to roll with. The amount of information we have is just outweighed too greatly by the amount of speculation we can throw about. I’d honestly be very surprised if they don’t take measures to have some kind of status quo kind of affair, in which most of the familiar stuff is still around to some capacity because they know fans want it.
I would love a kind of chaotic setting where there’s a lot more of a struggle due to the disarray the reaper war would have left the galaxy in, presumably for many decades. That kind of setting would mean an entirely new landscape of factions and governments. Of course, the slides of the epilogue don’t really reflect that kind of future, but then at this point, BioWare might just throw their hands up in the air and change whatever they feel is necessary to make an interesting game.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 10, 2021 17:00:21 GMT
I’m keeping my expectations rather low for the overall complexities that would come with whatever outcome of the trilogy BioWare decides to roll with. The amount of information we have is just outweighed too greatly by the amount of speculation we can throw about. I’d honestly be very surprised if they don’t take measures to have some kind of status quo kind of affair, in which most of the familiar stuff is still around to some capacity because they know fans want it. I would love a kind of chaotic setting where there’s a lot more of a struggle due to the disarray the reaper war would have left the galaxy in, presumably for many decades. That kind of setting would mean an entirely new landscape of factions and governments. Of course, the slides of the epilogue don’t really reflect that kind of future, but then at this point, BioWare might just throw their hands up in the air and change whatever they feel is necessary to make an interesting game. Presuming we do return to the MW with Shepard and crew, I have my own ideas of what I would like to see happen provided the so-called 'secret ending' where Shepard takes a breath and presumably survived the events of ME 3 is made canon. I would like as many of the OT characters to return especially Jack, Tali, Ashley, Liara, Wrex, Grunt, Kisumi (the only ones I don't care to see return are Zaid Massani (sp) and Jacob Taylor as those were the two characters I never really cared for- especially Jacob) but other characters like Jack, Taii, Ash, Grunt and Wrex are a must as far as I'm concerned if I could have my pick. And yes, I would like to see the fall out of the Reaper War and even if everything is being or has been rebuilt (as it showed in the slides at the end of the secret ending of the extension and 'fixed ending'/Citadel DLC), I would like to see some ramifications of humanity and other races still dealing with the Reaper War. But as for very specific and new plot points for this newest installment, I'm not sure what should happen to drive this new story forward. But I do call into question whether or not they are, should or will be ignoring the events of ANDROMEDA, or given that while it may have begun between ME 2 and 3....The main game actually took plae 600 years later.....Then there could be a big enough window certainly for this new installment to take place say 25 years after ME 3 and still have room for the events of ANDROMEDA. At this point, I just don't know. I can't speak about plot points or events in this new game but again if I had my choice I would bring back certain characters (and their original voice actors) because the characters are what made the game so memorable and impactful. I enjoyed ANDROMEDA....The story was interesting, I enjoyed many of the characters, the combat and game mechanics were improved over the OT.....But at the end of the day when I had completed it, I wasn't nearly as emotionally impacted and moved as I was when I finished the OT, and that is in large part because of the fantasic characters of the OT and the relationships you had built with them over the course of nearly 10 years from the beginning of production and release of ME 1 through to ME 3. I cried at the end of ME 3, and I was even mildly depressed for a few days following. It took me a while to get over the impact, and even now when I play the OT I can't help but shed at least a few tears because I felt connected to so many of the characters. The OT characters such as Tali, Wrex, Jack and yes, even Liara are some of the best written characters in any medium that I've ever come across. Andromeda didn't have anything even close to that. So to not bring back characters like Tali, Jack, Wrex, Grunt, Garrus, Ashley....would be a complete disservice to the franchise and if that would be the case they shouldn't even bother making a new game with OT ties....they should stick to a sequel to ANDROMEDA.
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Post by Salitiborne on Jan 11, 2021 13:23:57 GMT
EDIT: I have also found some other 'clue'. Another piece of art from the BioWare book are those pillar-like structure that resemble Remnant / Prothean technology. With the key word Prothean. Is it written in the bioware book? I don't know, I haven't read the book. I just saw the picture and it did remind me of Prothean costructions. But I guess you're hinting at the fact that I wrote my sentence in a away as if it was written in the book. Then I am sorry, that wasn't my intention. I think that if BioWare wants to connect OT and Andromeda then there are only two viable options: 1. the new Mass Effect will take place shortly after the Reaper War and even if there will be a new expedition to the Andromeda Galaxy, then it would need to be soon so there is not much time gap, they will arrive to the new galaxy to be able to meet the crew from Tempest. The Arks set off before the conclusion of the Reaper War... 2. Big time gap (around 600 years) which could only be survived without cryo by long living races - Asari and Krogan. I don't think there would be much time for some "side quest" for any of the Shepard's crew, however maybe those 6 months of incarceration were enough to achieve something Andromeda related? Gosh, it's gonna be painful to wait long...
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 11, 2021 14:31:11 GMT
Is it written in the bioware book? I don't know, I haven't read the book. I just saw the picture and it did remind me of Prothean costructions. But I guess you're hinting at the fact that I wrote my sentence in a away as if it was written in the book. Then I am sorry, that wasn't my intention. I think that if BioWare wants to connect OT and Andromeda then there are only two viable options: 1. the new Mass Effect will take place shortly after the Reaper War and even if there will be a new expedition to the Andromeda Galaxy, then it would need to be soon so there is not much time gap, they will arrive to the new galaxy to be able to meet the crew from Tempest. The Arks set off before the conclusion of the Reaper War... 2. Big time gap (around 600 years) which could only be survived without cryo by long living races - Asari and Krogan. I don't think there would be much time for some "side quest" for any of the Shepard's crew, however maybe those 6 months of incarceration were enough to achieve something Andromeda related? Gosh, it's gonna be painful to wait long... The second one you say is the most possible thing to happen except maybe shepard and crew.... Liara is old as you can see. I know people in the forum might not like when some people say that, but it's not something they put there to confuse the fans whether she is or not. I think that was pretty clear. 630 years seem to have passed, and I'm saying this because they want to connect andromeda with the mw based from the teaser. Although gamble said maybe they won't do a sequel to both(?) Maybe they might make a sequel 600 years after the events of the ot but i hope for both, that will be really interesting to see what they can do with both galaxies and stories merging together. A big plot point that unites the two. And ryder as the pc, not a new pc.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 11, 2021 15:13:48 GMT
Presuming we do return to the MW with Shepard and crew, I have my own ideas of what I would like to see happen provided the so-called 'secret ending' where Shepard takes a breath and presumably survived the events of ME 3 is made canon. I would like as many of the OT characters to return especially Jack, Tali, Ashley, Liara, Wrex, Grunt, Kisumi I don't see Wrex and Grunt being squadmates. Wrex will remain on Tuchanka to watch over the rebuilding of his planet. Grunt will remain to rebuild Aralakh company. It's possible they could be temporary squadmates to help deal with some rebel krogan who want to remove Wrex. Kasumi won't be a squadmate. She wants nothing more to do with galaxy wide threats. Besides that, she is happy doing her little heists, as seen in Citadel. She could make a cameo. I will add to your list by having Miranda and Javik on the roster as well. Unfortunately Zaeed wouldn't return.(RIP Robin Sachs) Jacob could make an appearance otherwise I don't see him returning. The crew wouldn't be hard to have return. space hamster, Cortez, Chakwas, Traynor, Adams, Daniels, Donnelly, Moreau, saluting guy and of course the return of the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest cook in the universe, to make his gumbo.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 11, 2021 22:17:00 GMT
Presuming we do return to the MW with Shepard and crew, I have my own ideas of what I would like to see happen provided the so-called 'secret ending' where Shepard takes a breath and presumably survived the events of ME 3 is made canon. I would like as many of the OT characters to return especially Jack, Tali, Ashley, Liara, Wrex, Grunt, Kisumi I don't see Wrex and Grunt being squadmates. Wrex will remain on Tuchanka to watch over the rebuilding of his planet. Grunt will remain to rebuild Aralakh company. It's possible they could be temporary squadmates to help deal with some rebel krogan who want to remove Wrex. Kasumi won't be a squadmate. She wants nothing more to do with galaxy wide threats. Besides that, she is happy doing her little heists, as seen in Citadel. She could make a cameo. I will add to your list by having Miranda and Javik on the roster as well. Unfortunately Zaeed wouldn't return.(RIP Robin Sachs) Jacob could make an appearance otherwise I don't see him returning. The crew wouldn't be hard to have return. space hamster, Cortez, Chakwas, Traynor, Adams, Daniels, Donnelly, Moreau, saluting guy and of course the return of the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest cook in the universe, to make his gumbo. They wouldn't necessarily have to be squadmates....but I would like to see them in more than just a passing role, "hey how's it goin'? Hi ya doin? Good to see ya. OK, you're still breathing, Shepard? That's good. Bye now," kinda thing. If they had a heavier role that was more connected to the story somehow. But definitely, Joker, Engineer Adams, Comm Specialist Traynor, Daniels and Donnelly and the good Doctor Karin Chakwas, and even Cortez should all return as Crew of our Normandy SR-3...But this time around...as they did in ME 2...give the girl some teeth! I want guns and shields and other crazy-ass, bleeding edge tech on the Normandy
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 12, 2021 2:53:17 GMT
I’d prefer Dr. Michel to Dr. Chakwas, since I chose her to be the doctor in ME3. Agree on Traynor, Cortez, Daniels, Adams returning. Chambers too. Would prefer Donnelly and Mureau not being there but guess I’d have to suffer them.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 12, 2021 12:40:18 GMT
I’d prefer Dr. Michel to Dr. Chakwas, since I chose her to be the doctor in ME3. Agree on Traynor, Cortez, Daniels, Adams returning. Chambers too. Would prefer Donnelly and Mureau not being there but guess I’d have to suffer them. You didn't like Joker?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 12, 2021 13:39:21 GMT
Who cares ? Andromeda is the place to be. Absolutely.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 12, 2021 13:45:23 GMT
I’d prefer Dr. Michel to Dr. Chakwas, since I chose her to be the doctor in ME3. Agree on Traynor, Cortez, Daniels, Adams returning. Chambers too. Would prefer Donnelly and Mureau not being there but guess I’d have to suffer them. You didn't like Joker? Not really. I didn’t hate him or anything, but didn’t like him either.
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