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Post by Sifr on Jan 22, 2021 2:01:55 GMT
I wouldn’t assume N7 = Shepard. I remember many thought that with the first Andromeda trailer, and it turned out to be Alec Ryder. N7 is just an icon of the series, like the blood dragon for Dragon Age. And if you want to look at the trailer from a lore perspective, you'd expect that the Reaper war would have cost the lives of some other N7s, who's bodies and armour might still be littering some forgotten alien battlefield.
Same for any dead members of the volunteer militia (from ME3 multiplayer) that Hackett let slide using "N7 Forces" as their unofficial designation (since it was good for morale). That would even explain why the logo appears to be on the wrong side, because it might be an replica like Conrad wore in in ME2.
(Or the trailer is employing artistic license and brand recognition... the obvious, but boring, answer)
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Post by cymercenary285 on Jan 22, 2021 8:02:44 GMT
The only way I would want Shepard to return is with a scene akin to Logans cameo in X-men origins.
"Shepard we need you for another galaxy saving mission."
Shepard:.... (you can fill in the rest let's just say it is very Renegade.) guy saved the galaxy once just let him have a peaceful retirement with their li or whoever.
Seriously though I don't mind past characters coming back I just rather be for a good reason rather than a tacked on cameo just because the fans might like it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 10:09:28 GMT
Seriously though I don't mind past characters coming back I just rather be for a good reason rather than a tacked on cameo just because the fans might like it. I don't think a tacked on cameo will work. Which is why, even Liara's return, to the extent we will get her back, will not carry this game.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jan 22, 2021 11:23:47 GMT
Seriously though I don't mind past characters coming back I just rather be for a good reason rather than a tacked on cameo just because the fans might like it. I don't think a tacked on cameo will work. Which is why, even Liara's return, to the extent we will get her back, will not carry this game. At this point, it's almost safe to say you're more obsessed with Liara than BioWare is.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 22, 2021 11:55:29 GMT
I don't think a tacked on cameo will work. Which is why, even Liara's return, to the extent we will get her back, will not carry this game. At this point, it's almost safe to say you're more obsessed with Liara than BioWare is. well Sirpetrakus is stating the obvious here for Liara is a money maker here. For she is more of a staple than Shepard or even Cerberus(I know that many people here do think that they are overdone and burnt out)
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Post by Little Bengel on Jan 22, 2021 12:36:58 GMT
At this point, it's almost safe to say you're more obsessed with Liara than BioWare is. well Sirpetrakus is stating the obvious here for Liara is a money maker here. For she is more of a staple than Shepard or even Cerberus(I know that many people here do think that they are overdone and burnt out) You say money maker and staple, I say logical bridge point between the trilogy and this coming game. Independently of whichever popular option for ME5's timeline comes to pass, Liara's an easy link to the trilogy either way. Anyone with half a brain can see it, no matter their opinions on her character.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 22, 2021 13:24:43 GMT
Seriously though I don't mind past characters coming back I just rather be for a good reason rather than a tacked on cameo just because the fans might like it. I don't think a tacked on cameo will work. Which is why, even Liara's return, to the extent we will get her back, will not carry this game. No single thing’s going to carry this game anyway, least of all any cameo appearances. Liara’s the only character with close involvement to the main events that’s also guaranteed to survive all but the low-EMS endings, and will be around for hundreds of years. There’s no better candidate with the potential to introduce any number of world states and time periods.
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Post by Radec on Jan 22, 2021 13:38:34 GMT
I don't think a tacked on cameo will work. Which is why, even Liara's return, to the extent we will get her back, will not carry this game. No single thing’s going to carry this game anyway, least of all any cameo appearances. Liara’s the only character with close involvement to the main events that’s also guaranteed to survive all but the low-EMS endings, and will be around for hundreds of years. There’s no better candidate with the potential to introduce any number of world states and time periods. I think the polite krogan working for Mr. Thax is a better candidate.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 22, 2021 13:42:02 GMT
No single thing’s going to carry this game anyway, least of all any cameo appearances. Liara’s the only character with close involvement to the main events that’s also guaranteed to survive all but the low-EMS endings, and will be around for hundreds of years. There’s no better candidate with the potential to introduce any number of world states and time periods. I think the polite krogan working for Mr. Thax is a better candidate. Unnamed Krogan: “Hello. I worked for a Mr. Thrax back in 2185.” PC: “Wha...who? 2185? Shit that was like 300 years ago.” Unnamed Krogan: “Sorry for bothering you. Good day.”
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Post by Radec on Jan 22, 2021 14:13:35 GMT
I think the polite krogan working for Mr. Thax is a better candidate. Unnamed Krogan: “Hello. I worked for a Mr. Thrax back in 2185.” PC: “Wha...who? 2185? Shit that was like 300 years ago.” Unnamed Krogan: “Sorry for bothering you. Good day.” He'd be the perfect krogan Councilor
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 14:51:10 GMT
At this point, it's almost safe to say you're more obsessed with Liara than BioWare is. I don't understand what you mean, by that. You say money maker and staple, I say logical bridge point between the trilogy and this coming game. Independently of whichever popular option for ME5's timeline comes to pass, Liara's an easy link to the trilogy either way. Anyone with half a brain can see it, no matter their opinions on her character. You already did the bridging in the previous game. You already had the Liara cameo. The proverbial torch has been passed. The only reason why Liara is returning, yet again, is notstalgia and Bioware's own desperation to bring fans back. If Bioware really didn't need her to be back, any other Asari could have become a scientist, with an interest in Protheans and their technology, if that is something they wish to utilize, in association with the Jardaan, although that is merely speculation that this is even a plot point at all. Furthermore, that scientist needn't even be an Asari. Liara is merely "a" Prothean expert and there is no reason that, through her discoveries, since whenever they were done in the first place, others won't have taken up her research in the 600 years since, or made greater discoveries of their own, as Liara has apparently dropped her research, in order to become the Shadow broker. In the 600 years since, would she even remember what her discoveries on the Protheans would even be about? She would be entirely irrelevant in that field. Unless, contrary to what we've been shown, she drops the Broker position, in favour of going back to Prothean archeology. So even if all these are true, we are only choosing to follow this narrative in a very specific way, in order to have Liara back. That is the reason this is being done, there is nothing more to it. If it bothers me, it only does so in the hypocrisy being exhibited here, in addition to Bioware's low key admission, yet again, of their failure, while insisting not to address the problems of the fanbase, as they have remained since the ending debacle. It still fixes nothing and I will not be following Bioware in this game either.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 14:58:53 GMT
No single thing’s going to carry this game anyway, least of all any cameo appearances. Liara’s the only character with close involvement to the main events that’s also guaranteed to survive all but the low-EMS endings, and will be around for hundreds of years. There’s no better candidate with the potential to introduce any number of world states and time periods. Again, there is no reason why this has to be connected to Shepard directly in any capacity. Not to mention we already did that once with this very character. At some point, Liara being involved in absolutely everything is getting old and contrived. It is being done for pandering and nostalgia, hoping to get some favour from the old fans, while also keeping the very thing that broke it, intact. Frankly, I find it insulting that they would think this is what it takes to win me back, after the treatment of the fanbase they have repeatedly exhibited.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jan 22, 2021 15:44:20 GMT
You already did the bridging in the previous game. You already had the Liara cameo. The proverbial torch has been passed. The only reason why Liara is returning, yet again, is notstalgia and Bioware's own desperation to bring fans back. And because of the strongly hinted return to the Milky Way. Not everything has to be about Liara, but she's still the easiest link between the old MW and the new MW, and it's a fairly easy marketing tool as well. Doesn't take much to figure that one out. Making a lot of assumptions here. A lot of assumptions which can be proven wrong, which wouldn't be the first time in your case. I find the implication that she can't juggle these two facets in any meaningful manner to be laughable; clearly a Shadow Broker with an immense interest in Protheans can't possibly learn more about them than any other expert. It would be a shame if you were legitimately serious about this. I don't see how this qualifies as an admission of failure. I really don't. Only time will tell if this actually turns out to be a bad choice on their part, but if you think this is what you claim it to be, there's an argument to be made that you are seeing only what you want to see.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 16:41:42 GMT
And because of the strongly hinted return to the Milky Way. Not everything has to be about Liara, but she's still the easiest link between the old MW and the new MW, and it's a fairly easy marketing tool as well. Doesn't take much to figure that one out. She's only meaningful in the aspect that she can be leveraged in a certain way (squad/romance). She's going to be off the the squad and off limits in this game. She is already pre-downgraded in her appearance, before the game is even out. You're going to have a lot of people displeased with that. Making a lot of assumptions here. A lot of assumptions which can be proven wrong, which wouldn't be the first time in your case. I find the implication that she can't juggle these two facets in any meaningful manner to be laughable; clearly a Shadow Broker with an immense interest in Protheans can't possibly learn more about them than any other expert. It would be a shame if you were legitimately serious about this. While the Shadow Broker could do that, she didn't exhibit using her Broker status to learn more about Protheans. What she did learn was through the Prothean cache on Mars, which she attended herself and only in the capacity to find something Reaper related. Liara shows no interests in Protheans in ME2, or any interest in them again, after the finding of the Crucible plans. It is safe to assume that Liara has no further interest in the Protheans, at least in a professional capacity. Again, that is assuming that the plot would even require the Protheans to be implicated, as some users here seem to speculate, through linking the Jardaan and the Protheans as part of the plot. I am not making that speculation. And again, even if Liara maintains her interest in the Protheans, that doesn't make her the sole keeper of those discoveries, necessarily, nor that others won't take an active role in Prothean research, after the Reaper war. If Liara is only to be implicated as a possible link between the two galaxies, her implication with the plot becomes even more loose, as her only connection to the Initiative is having a talk with Alec once, more than 600 years ago. I am sure there are others better suited for that job than Liara and would certainly have more time to spare handling it, than the Shadow Broker. If anything, this would require a full diplomatic mission to Andromeda and vice versa. It's also not a very exciting premise for a video game, unless the two factions (Milky Way and Andromeda) go to war with each other. In which case some sabotaging would have been at work with those diplomatic missions and in that case, I could see Liara being more actively involved in trying to restore relations, provided she would even trust the Initiative in the first place. But her being the Shadow Broker would make her privy to knowing whether a sabotage of the diplomatic relations had occurred and why contacting Ryder would have been a sensible thing in her part. Also, why they would choose to meet under such hush-hush conditions, in an inhospitable ice-planet among the carcasses of some dead Reapers. Which is a much more organic way to integrate Liara into the plot than the Protheans and Jardaan. I doubt, by now, that anyone even remembers that Liara was a Prothean expert, at some point. I mean, they will go "oh, that's right" when the game reminds them, but that's about it. I don't see how this qualifies as an admission of failure. I really don't. It does to me. They're basically admitting that the new crew is not strong enough to stand on its own, especially after Mac Walters is on record for saying that the old crew is over and done with, what we feel is attachment, attachment is bad and we just need to accept it. Meaning nobody from the old cast would be back. But as soon as things start looking bad, here's Liara! You guys remember Liara, right? Don't you love Liara? You'll buy Liara's game, right? Only time will tell if this actually turns out to be a bad choice on their part, but if you think this is what you claim it to be, there's an argument to be made that you are seeing only what you want to see. Bringing Liara back is a great move and would be a great start. But that's the extent they are going with and, as I said, her returning status is already compromised in the effect that she is too old to be a part of your fighting squad and will definitely not be a romance option anymore. She will also not be part of your squad in the capacity that she might be put in a position where she might turn into a possible casualty. Unless Bioware completely skips out in potential character death for ME completely from now on.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 23, 2021 20:48:38 GMT
"Turns out, you mess with someone's head enough you can turn one scared little girl into an all-powerful bitch"
The speaker of this line is the one companion I definitely want to return
And "Turian Brandy. Triple-filtered then introduced into the suit through an Emergency induction port." (the speaker of this line is the other character I want to return)
Those are my top two choices.
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Post by elmike2k17 on Jan 28, 2021 22:09:39 GMT
What about no Shepard but some of the companions return? After hanging around the forums this seems like a popular choice, maybe the most popular actually. And since when was Shepard a 'he'? Well most people who actually played the game recognize Shepard as a he. While I get that the female voice actress did a better job with the vocals than did the male, when the franchise first launched, the male Shepard was almost always featured. Having actually served in the military, a male Shepard is a more realistic version of that type of character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 28, 2021 22:42:23 GMT
Well most people who actually played the game recognize Shepard as a he. While I get that the female voice actress did a better job with the vocals than did the male, when the franchise first launched, the male Shepard was almost always featured. Having actually served in the military, a male Shepard is a more realistic version of that type of character. Or people could just type they, a wonderful gender neutral word that only requires two more characters. Also lol on more realistic.
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Post by elmike2k17 on Jan 29, 2021 1:08:12 GMT
Well most people who actually played the game recognize Shepard as a he. While I get that the female voice actress did a better job with the vocals than did the male, when the franchise first launched, the male Shepard was almost always featured. Having actually served in the military, a male Shepard is a more realistic version of that type of character. Or people could just type they, a wonderful gender neutral word that only requires two more characters. Also lol on more realistic. What I meant as being more realistic, is based off of what Shepards job was within the alliance military coupled with Shepards back stories particularly the earthborn back story. Yeah I know that its fiction.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2021 1:14:29 GMT
Or people could just type they, a wonderful gender neutral word that only requires two more characters. Also lol on more realistic. What I meant as being more realistic, is based off of what Shepards job was within the alliance military coupled with Shepards back stories particularly the earthborn back story. Yeah I know that its fiction. Still lol. There's nothing in Shepard's job or backstory that is more realistic with them being male compared to female.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 29, 2021 1:30:42 GMT
Still lol. There's nothing in Shepard's job or backstory that is more realistic with them being male compared to female. While my military service was in a corps more like the rangers than the marines, we didn't have a single woman in our platoon. So I don't know how realistic it is to expect to see a woman in the marine corps. Not to say they don't exist, just that you are unlikely to come across one. And yeah, unlikely is not the same as unrealistic. But realistically, if you're serving in the Marine corps, you're probably, with a 99,999% likelihood, a guy that will not even come across a female marine, while in service. By today's standards. 2186 is 164 years in the future, so things are likely to change. But by today's standards, the depiction may be considered unrealistic. However, this is a video game. So go nuts.
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Post by Radec on Jan 29, 2021 3:17:06 GMT
Meh, ME is a setting where you have space magic powers unrelated to physicality, and can get gene therapy to increase your bone density and muscle mass (IIRC all Alliance soldiers are required to do so).
If not equal at everything, females would at least probably be able to perform infantry tasks more competently than in our current world (where only the top 1% mutant ones can do it without breaking themselves), and for a biotic it's probably not all that relevant.
And for any Shepard the distinction becomes basically irrelevant in ME2, where they're rebuilt as a cyborg who can fistfight a Yahg on equal terms.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 29, 2021 10:00:45 GMT
guy that will not even come across a female marine, while in service. By today's standards That's the key observation. When I served women were not even afforded the opportunity to serve in combat units...and I think it's only a been a few years since they started to be integrated. In a 150 years I would expect it to be the norm.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 29, 2021 14:30:34 GMT
Still lol. There's nothing in Shepard's job or backstory that is more realistic with them being male compared to female. While my military service was in a corps more like the rangers than the marines, we didn't have a single woman in our platoon. So I don't know how realistic it is to expect to see a woman in the marine corps. Not to say they don't exist, just that you are unlikely to come across one. And yeah, unlikely is not the same as unrealistic. But realistically, if you're serving in the Marine corps, you're probably, with a 99,999% likelihood, a guy that will not even come across a female marine, while in service. By today's standards. 2186 is 164 years in the future, so things are likely to change. But by today's standards, the depiction may be considered unrealistic. However, this is a video game. So go nuts. IIRC, Alliance soldiers get some type of modification to their body that makes them above average than your typical human. I sweat I saw some lore details mentioning as such, but I cant remember where from. Might help in pushing the numbers higher for female soldiers. That's just a guess of course.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 29, 2021 15:29:10 GMT
Eh, Shepard's gender will never matter anyway. If BioWare knows what's good for it, they'll just keep it that way lol
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 30, 2021 9:53:28 GMT
Eh, Shepard's gardener will never matter anyway. Why would the gardener mat-hang on! Eh, Shepard's gender will never matter anyway Oh, that's right. I'm blind on top of stupid.
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