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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2021 18:40:08 GMT
Thankfully Bioware isn't doing this, because this sounds terrible. Do we have any official confirmation what ME5 will be about? They confirmed they aren’t changing the Shepard Trilogy, so no MELE doing what you said it should. And since none of the endings have the galactic dark age (bar the fail endings), that means it won’t be the setup for the Milky Way in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 18:49:32 GMT
Do we have any official confirmation what ME5 will be about? They confirmed they aren’t changing the Shepard Trilogy, so no MELE doing what you said it should. And since none of the endings have the galactic dark age (bar the fail endings), that means it won’t be the setup for the Milky Way in the future. I dont consider low EMS destroy a failure...it might be their setup. I kid, I dont think BW will really go this route. I still think, if well written, it would be interesting to see the fleets stranded in the Milky Way without relays, reconstructing galactic civilization little by little, with the big bad threatening to reassure control over the "lesser races". A story similar to MEA, but with a bigger scope, a better villain and a new chance to tell a story about overcoming adversity through unity, without an eleventh hour deus ex machina.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2021 19:13:48 GMT
They confirmed they aren’t changing the Shepard Trilogy, so no MELE doing what you said it should. And since none of the endings have the galactic dark age (bar the fail endings), that means it won’t be the setup for the Milky Way in the future. I dont consider low EMS destroy a failure...it might be their setup. I kid, I dont think BW will really go this route. I still think, if well written, it would be interesting to see the fleets stranded in the Milky Way without relays, reconstructing galactic civilization little by little, with the big bad threatening to reassure control over the "lesser races". A story similar to MEA, but with a bigger scope, a better villain and a new chance to tell a story about overcoming adversity through unity, without an eleventh hour deus ex machina. I see the Kett as better villains than the Leviathans. The Leviathans have no nuance to them, while the Kett do (such as genuinely seeing what they are doing as helping other races) thus they have more potential.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 19:18:44 GMT
I dont consider low EMS destroy a failure...it might be their setup. I kid, I dont think BW will really go this route. I still think, if well written, it would be interesting to see the fleets stranded in the Milky Way without relays, reconstructing galactic civilization little by little, with the big bad threatening to reassure control over the "lesser races". A story similar to MEA, but with a bigger scope, a better villain and a new chance to tell a story about overcoming adversity through unity, without an eleventh hour deus ex machina. I see the Kett as better villains than the Leviathans. The Leviathans have no nuance to them, while the Kett do (such as genuinely seeing what they are doing as helping other races) thus they have more potential. I would argue that the Kett had an entire game to be fleshed out, and this could be done with the Leviathans, that only had a DLC (hastly?) written for themselves. And most interactions would happen with the enthralled races anyway. They have the potential to be better reapers and kett, in my view. Do you think they will use MEA storyline in any shape or form in ME5?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 19:40:09 GMT
From my perspective, MELE would be a good point to restart the franchise. Blow up the relays, destroy the Reapers. Galactic dark age. The Leviathans are the big bad now. I don't know. It depends how many years after ME3 does Will Continue take place and who it involves. If we start 600 years later to find out that all our friends lived and died in a time of galactic societal collapse and suffered from hunger disease and lack of getting medical supplies for the rest of their lives, I'd rather not know about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 20:00:39 GMT
From my perspective, MELE would be a good point to restart the franchise. Blow up the relays, destroy the Reapers. Galactic dark age. The Leviathans are the big bad now. I don't know. It depends how many years after ME3 does Will Continue take place and who it involves. If we start 600 years later to find out that all our friends lived and died in a time of galactic societal collapse and suffered from hunger disease and lack of getting medical supplies for the rest of their lives, I'd rather not know about that. War is hell. But people find meaning in the most dire circumstances. I could see the remnants os the flotilla serving as the safe haven for dextros, and Earth being the place for everyone else. Missions to The Citadel trying to reverse-reverse engineer the only relay that didnt blow up. Our friends leading the peoples in this difficult years, being the leaders of their time, turning to legend as did Shepard.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 20:41:21 GMT
War is hell. But people find meaning in the most dire circumstances. I could see the remnants os the flotilla serving as the safe haven for dextros, and Earth being the place for everyone else. Missions to The Citadel trying to reverse-reverse engineer the only relay that didnt blow up. Our friends leading the peoples in this difficult years, being the leaders of their time, turning to legend as did Shepard. Yeah, no. I really don't want to hear about that scenario. I'm not for the grim and glum. That's not Mass Effect to me.
Just to make clear, not that I wouldn't want to play through that scenario, in the events after ME3 and all the possible threats that could give rise to, it is a very interesting setting. But if the point is that we're in a worse situation than Fallout, with an entirely new band of nobodies ... I'd just go play a Fallout game. There's no reason to turn ME into Fallout and there's no reason to make a new group of nobodies. Because then, you're creating further dissent within the fanbase, because then you'll be torn between the people wanting Shepard and co. back, Ryder and co. and then the ones that will want this new protagonist and his band of misfits and those who will want the next new batch, after them. You're only further fragmenting an already fragmented fanbase and at some point, which we're way past it, if you ask me, you're going to need to pluck at least one of those holes.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 15, 2021 21:34:53 GMT
I see the Kett as better villains than the Leviathans. The Leviathans have no nuance to them, while the Kett do (such as genuinely seeing what they are doing as helping other races) thus they have more potential. Do you think they will use MEA storyline in any shape or form in ME5? Doubtful, after abandoning ME: A, I don't think Bioware cares too much about Andromeda fans. We'll see but I don't think they'll hear anything but token references.
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Post by andydandymandy on Mar 15, 2021 23:05:41 GMT
The teaser trailer from the Games Awards did show what looked like the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way galaxy merging. So who knows.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2021 23:15:03 GMT
The teaser trailer from the Games Awards did show what looked like the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way galaxy merging. So who knows. I wouldn’t call that merging, no more than seeing a tree a few feet away and a mountain a few miles away in the same line of sight are merging.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 16, 2021 0:00:05 GMT
The teaser trailer from the Games Awards did show what looked like the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way galaxy merging. So who knows. Maybe in 4.3 billion years from now. I simply will not accept any bullshit about more space magic merging shit together.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 16, 2021 12:48:30 GMT
Do you think they will use MEA storyline in any shape or form in ME5? Doubtful, after abandoning ME: A, I don't think Bioware cares too much about Andromeda fans. We'll see but I don't think they'll hear anything but token references. Yea hthat's wha tI'm worried about that that' s all we'll get. Which is why I'm skeptical about the next ME.
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Post by jrpN7 on Mar 16, 2021 13:59:23 GMT
Do you think they will use MEA storyline in any shape or form in ME5? Doubtful, after abandoning ME: A, I don't think Bioware cares too much about Andromeda fans. We'll see but I don't think they'll hear anything but token references. Indeed. There's a handful of people convinced Andromeda is going to play such a huge role in ME4- and yes, some of the concept art and other theories are convincing. However, the direction BioWare took and is headed down simply does not leave much space for an invigorating ME4 with strong elements from Andromeda included. It's either the MW or Andromeda because any mergers at this point is just plain silly and will cause more problems than solve; Andromeda is a failure on almost every level, BioWare knows this and frankly abandoned it. So MW it is.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 17, 2021 1:16:18 GMT
I see the Kett as better villains than the Leviathans. The Leviathans have no nuance to them, while the Kett do (such as genuinely seeing what they are doing as helping other races) thus they have more potential. I think the potential is there but we haven't seen it in full force. We only see a rogue faction. Who knows what the kett proper are like? We've heard that the original plan was to have multiple races in Andromeda. Revised plan could be that many of them were absorbed into the kett and we get to see them when the kett proper appear. There's real potential there that I'd like to see realized. I think the Reapers could have been special. Then we got ME3 and it all fell apart.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 17, 2021 1:22:11 GMT
Doubtful, after abandoning ME: A, I don't think Bioware cares too much about Andromeda fans. We'll see but I don't think they'll hear anything but token references. Indeed. There's a handful of people convinced Andromeda is going to play such a huge role in ME4- and yes, some of the concept art and other theories are convincing. However, the direction BioWare took and is headed down simply does not leave much space for an invigorating ME4 with strong elements from Andromeda included. It's either the MW or Andromeda because any mergers at this point is just plain silly and will cause more problems than solve; Andromeda is a failure on almost every level, BioWare knows this and frankly abandoned it. So MW it is. I was willing to give it a shot but in retrospect it was always a bad idea. They spent 3 AAA games, comics, books, a mobile game, a freaking cartoon developing a setting to then toss it out whole cloth but say hey um the space ships and races are here so we good right? So damn dumb. If it had been advertised as a spin off while the main setting continued it might have fared better. I think on some level they know that now. They may hate it as much as they clearly hate the fans, but they know it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 17, 2021 17:25:41 GMT
Doubtful, after abandoning ME: A, I don't think Bioware cares too much about Andromeda fans. We'll see but I don't think they'll hear anything but token references. Indeed. There's a handful of people convinced Andromeda is going to play such a huge role in ME4- and yes, some of the concept art and other theories are convincing. However, the direction BioWare took and is headed down simply does not leave much space for an invigorating ME4 with strong elements from Andromeda included. It's either the MW or Andromeda because any mergers at this point is just plain silly and will cause more problems than solve; Andromeda is a failure on almost every level, BioWare knows this and frankly abandoned it. So MW it is. And in turn abandoned people who liked Andromeda. If that's the direction they'll go, then I won't buy Mass Effect 5.
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Indeed. There's a handful of people convinced Andromeda is going to play such a huge role in ME4- and yes, some of the concept art and other theories are convincing. However, the direction BioWare took and is headed down simply does not leave much space for an invigorating ME4 with strong elements from Andromeda included. It's either the MW or Andromeda because any mergers at this point is just plain silly and will cause more problems than solve; Andromeda is a failure on almost every level, BioWare knows this and frankly abandoned it. So MW it is. I was willing to give it a shot but in retrospect it was always a bad idea. They spent 3 AAA games, comics, books, a mobile game, a freaking cartoon developing a setting to then toss it out whole cloth but say hey um the space ships and races are here so we good right? So damn dumb. If it had been advertised as a spin off while the main setting continued it might have fared better. I think on some level they know that now. They may hate it as much as they clearly hate the fans, but they know it. I don't think BioWare hates the fans, if anything it tries too hard for them. That is why I am glad they went looking outside BioWare for new leadership, for they need someone that will make the hard decisions instead of trying to keep the fans happy and not have people saying bad things. The thing is the setting of Mass Effect: Andromeda isn't that much different then being in The Milky Way, instead of Andromeda they have some improbable drive to get them to a distant part of The Milky Way and in a cluster that doesn't have a working relay and the ships are too damaged to leave that cluster. Change a few location names and a reason to two why The Reapers never came here, maybe another "chosen one" race with the Jardaans that didn't develop AI and then saw through The Reapers plans so protections were put into place after dismantling a couple of relays. That still leaves the majority of Andromeda in place as is and I don't think that would have fixed the problems I had with the game. My stance is that they went the wrong way about developing Andromeda from the very start where they wanted to make everything people said they liked or wanted in a Mass Effect game and tried to do that. So trying to focus on Exploration, Combat, and Companions all in one game where they are also learning a completely new game engine just seems to be going way beyond one's reach especially when story was never really mentioned. I think if Andromeda had a better focus or direction leaving The Milky Way wouldn't have been that big of a strike against the game, its just an obvious target.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 18, 2021 14:31:50 GMT
I was willing to give it a shot but in retrospect it was always a bad idea. They spent 3 AAA games, comics, books, a mobile game, a freaking cartoon developing a setting to then toss it out whole cloth but say hey um the space ships and races are here so we good right? So damn dumb. If it had been advertised as a spin off while the main setting continued it might have fared better. I think on some level they know that now. They may hate it as much as they clearly hate the fans, but they know it. I don't think BioWare hates the fans, if anything it tries too hard for them. That is why I am glad they went looking outside BioWare for new leadership, for they need someone that will make the hard decisions instead of trying to keep the fans happy and not have people saying bad things. The thing is the setting of Mass Effect: Andromeda isn't that much different then being in The Milky Way, instead of Andromeda they have some improbable drive to get them to a distant part of The Milky Way and in a cluster that doesn't have a working relay and the ships are too damaged to leave that cluster. Change a few location names and a reason to two why The Reapers never came here, maybe another "chosen one" race with the Jardaans that didn't develop AI and then saw through The Reapers plans so protections were put into place after dismantling a couple of relays. That still leaves the majority of Andromeda in place as is and I don't think that would have fixed the problems I had with the game. My stance is that they went the wrong way about developing Andromeda from the very start where they wanted to make everything people said they liked or wanted in a Mass Effect game and tried to do that. So trying to focus on Exploration, Combat, and Companions all in one game where they are also learning a completely new game engine just seems to be going way beyond one's reach especially when story was never really mentioned. I think if Andromeda had a better focus or direction leaving The Milky Way wouldn't have been that big of a strike against the game, its just an obvious target. I disagree I think they hate the fans. Whenever they make changes the fans want it seems laced with spite because they think they are forced into doing it. As for the setting I'd say it was vastly different, it took the tech and races and slapped it into a entirely different setting. If was a different game made by a different company and they didn't explain how they FTL moved around and didn't have biotics/races which are exclusive to ME but everything else was identical I would not use mass effect as a way to describe it to a friend, farscape maybe I honestly don't know, it didn't feel like mass effect outside the obvious tech/races/biotics.
Where they went wrong with Andromeda is, they wasted 4 years talking shop around the coffee machine and then tried to make it from scratch in the last 18 months. Its one thing to have crunch to finish a game but crunch to build it from scratch is doomed to failure. Leaving the MY is a massive strike against the games because they spent like 8 years, in multiple formats developing it.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 18, 2021 17:17:16 GMT
I don't think BioWare hates the fans, if anything it tries too hard for them. That is why I am glad they went looking outside BioWare for new leadership, for they need someone that will make the hard decisions instead of trying to keep the fans happy and not have people saying bad things. The thing is the setting of Mass Effect: Andromeda isn't that much different then being in The Milky Way, instead of Andromeda they have some improbable drive to get them to a distant part of The Milky Way and in a cluster that doesn't have a working relay and the ships are too damaged to leave that cluster. Change a few location names and a reason to two why The Reapers never came here, maybe another "chosen one" race with the Jardaans that didn't develop AI and then saw through The Reapers plans so protections were put into place after dismantling a couple of relays. That still leaves the majority of Andromeda in place as is and I don't think that would have fixed the problems I had with the game. My stance is that they went the wrong way about developing Andromeda from the very start where they wanted to make everything people said they liked or wanted in a Mass Effect game and tried to do that. So trying to focus on Exploration, Combat, and Companions all in one game where they are also learning a completely new game engine just seems to be going way beyond one's reach especially when story was never really mentioned. I think if Andromeda had a better focus or direction leaving The Milky Way wouldn't have been that big of a strike against the game, its just an obvious target. I disagree I think they hate the fans. Whenever they make changes the fans want it seems laced with spite because they think they are forced into doing it. As for the setting I'd say it was vastly different, it took the tech and races and slapped it into a entirely different setting. If was a different game made by a different company and they didn't explain how they FTL moved around and didn't have biotics/races which are exclusive to ME but everything else was identical I would not use mass effect as a way to describe it to a friend, farscape maybe I honestly don't know, it didn't feel like mass effect outside the obvious tech/races/biotics.
Where they went wrong with Andromeda is, they wasted 4 years talking shop around the coffee machine and then tried to make it from scratch in the last 18 months. Its one thing to have crunch to finish a game but crunch to build it from scratch is doomed to failure. Leaving the MY is a massive strike against the games because they spent like 8 years, in multiple formats developing it.
I guess its all about how you see it. The things that I saw compromise the game were things that I saw them adding for people that were saying how much better the game would be. As far as them wasting four years, I don't think that is the whole story. I think in the last 18 months they had a drastic change in direction and if I recall correctly its pretty much when new leadership took over because people at the top weren't doing their jobs. To me Mass Effect: Andromeda pretty much had the same treatment as the Snyder Cut of Justice League. The overall plan was overhauled because it just wasn't possible to finish, but it was more of cutting things apart and taping them back together while any new content was to smooth out those issues. So it wasn't completely from scratch, but slash and burn to get it done.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 18, 2021 18:06:50 GMT
I disagree I think they hate the fans. Whenever they make changes the fans want it seems laced with spite because they think they are forced into doing it. As for the setting I'd say it was vastly different, it took the tech and races and slapped it into a entirely different setting. If was a different game made by a different company and they didn't explain how they FTL moved around and didn't have biotics/races which are exclusive to ME but everything else was identical I would not use mass effect as a way to describe it to a friend, farscape maybe I honestly don't know, it didn't feel like mass effect outside the obvious tech/races/biotics.
Where they went wrong with Andromeda is, they wasted 4 years talking shop around the coffee machine and then tried to make it from scratch in the last 18 months. Its one thing to have crunch to finish a game but crunch to build it from scratch is doomed to failure. Leaving the MY is a massive strike against the games because they spent like 8 years, in multiple formats developing it.
I guess its all about how you see it. The things that I saw compromise the game were things that I saw them adding for people that were saying how much better the game would be. As far as them wasting four years, I don't think that is the whole story. I think in the last 18 months they had a drastic change in direction and if I recall correctly its pretty much when new leadership took over because people at the top weren't doing their jobs. To me Mass Effect: Andromeda pretty much had the same treatment as the Snyder Cut of Justice League. The overall plan was overhauled because it just wasn't possible to finish, but it was more of cutting things apart and taping them back together while any new content was to smooth out those issues. So it wasn't completely from scratch, but slash and burn to get it done. Yea it basically is the whole story. They wasted 4 years trying to make No Man's Sky, and realized 18 months from release that they literally couldn't do it, and had no game at that point to ship because they spent their entire dev cycle trying to force a terrible idea to work.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 18, 2021 18:15:39 GMT
Indeed. There's a handful of people convinced Andromeda is going to play such a huge role in ME4- and yes, some of the concept art and other theories are convincing. However, the direction BioWare took and is headed down simply does not leave much space for an invigorating ME4 with strong elements from Andromeda included. It's either the MW or Andromeda because any mergers at this point is just plain silly and will cause more problems than solve; Andromeda is a failure on almost every level, BioWare knows this and frankly abandoned it. So MW it is. And in turn abandoned people who liked Andromeda. If that's the direction they'll go, then I won't buy Mass Effect 5. Indeed I don' t see myself getting it either if they abandon MEA
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Post by colfoley on Mar 18, 2021 19:19:36 GMT
I guess its all about how you see it. The things that I saw compromise the game were things that I saw them adding for people that were saying how much better the game would be. As far as them wasting four years, I don't think that is the whole story. I think in the last 18 months they had a drastic change in direction and if I recall correctly its pretty much when new leadership took over because people at the top weren't doing their jobs. To me Mass Effect: Andromeda pretty much had the same treatment as the Snyder Cut of Justice League. The overall plan was overhauled because it just wasn't possible to finish, but it was more of cutting things apart and taping them back together while any new content was to smooth out those issues. So it wasn't completely from scratch, but slash and burn to get it done. Yea it basically is the whole story. They wasted 4 years trying to make No Man's Sky, and realized 18 months from release that they literally couldn't do it, and had no game at that point to ship because they spent their entire dev cycle trying to force a terrible idea to work. the game i pumped 320 hours into has determined this to be a false hood.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Mar 18, 2021 19:37:52 GMT
I have no interest in another Mass Effect, regardless of where it's set or which storylines it chooses to follow up on. In both cases, things went off the rails to the point where following up on the ending isn't something I'd find compelling.
I also don't trust their development process. They've embraced releasing games unfinished and using sales profits to fund completing the game. I understand it's the industry standard, but I no longer pay for games until a significant enough post-release window has passed that I'm confident it works (essentially) as intended.
Of course, if it comes out and gets rave reviews after it's release (I ignore pre-release reviews now that I understand how companies like EA manipulate them) and people I know who played the original trilogy speak positively of their experience playing it, I'd likely become interested. I don't expect that to happen, but it would be cool if it did.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 18, 2021 20:16:35 GMT
As for the next game. I'll get whatever they release. I have my preferences, obviously, but i know this is a business and it looks like Andromeda didn't do *that* well...yet MEA proves they can still make high quality games i enjoy and can hopefully continue to improve on the trilogy...which is all i require. Make good games, I'll buy them. Andromeda was a complete game that told a complete story.
Now as far as those preferences:
MEA sequel with Ryder MEA sequel without Ryder. Any ME game. ME sequel with Shepard.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 18, 2021 20:52:35 GMT
Personally I don't lose hope yet. When i saw the teaser i thought they are abandoning andromeda, but I don't think that's the case now. While it looks like the story is gonna take place on the mw or at least a big part of it, the Andromeda galaxy might still be in. Gamble said that maybe it's not a sequel to both but i think it might be given all the hints we've got, unless they put elements from the ot while also make the destroy ending canon and continue Andromeda's story. Something happens on the mw that might relate to Andromeda too and Ryder goes there as we can see on the teaser (i know many of you say that's not them but i think they are. It can't be another pathfinder cause gamble said if we look closely we will know who it is, so it's definitely them)...
There's another thing though and that's bringing both shepard and ryder together with time travel or have shepard as cameo and on some other form idk. Maybe that's why they are releasing the LE now or to just bring more new people in the franchise...
I think you're gonna say I'm crazy, but i noticed on the teaser on the purple nebula shadowy figures from past and present. It might seem like that because it's moving and could seem like it's forming figures, but it looks so accurate. Two salarians can be seen and could be others too, one figure looked like Anderson, a drell, some people, saren, a kett, and the Nexus. Also despite that thing at the top of the nebula being shepard below them there's a figure with a hood kinda resembling liara Could be wrong though. The most possible thing is a continuation of Andromeda with elements from the trilogy but you never know.
Anyway, i think we'll know more soon hopefully on june and have informations as to what it will be.
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