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Post by ahglock on Dec 23, 2020 19:07:16 GMT
Why and how exactly would either of those be a threat in the MW, and even if they were how would the AI be any help at all. There is 0 indication that is the story line they are shooting for. The MW is already jacked up, destroyed relays etc.
If there are Mass Relays being build to bridge the galaxies, why wouldn't the Milky Way be of interest for an annihilating species like the Kett? A story like that would definitely one of my first thoughts if I were to link both galaxies. Thought from the AI perspective a thought I had: what if the Kett do what they do in preparation of a Reaper threat they don't know Shepard solved? So if we would continue with Ryder (who is one of the few people who know of the Reapers in the AI), he would've to find out, what happened in the MW, to convince the Kett, that the Reapers are no threat anymore. If you have one relay, its freaking suicide to try and invade through there. Don't get me wrong ME thrives on handing people the idiot ball to get a plot rolling, but this is stretching it.
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Post by traks on Dec 23, 2020 19:08:24 GMT
If there are Mass Relays being build to bridge the galaxies, why wouldn't the Milky Way be of interest for an annihilating species like the Kett? A story like that would definitely one of my first thoughts if I were to link both galaxies. Thought from the AI perspective a thought I had: what if the Kett do what they do in preparation of a Reaper threat they don't know Shepard solved? So if we would continue with Ryder (who is one of the few people who know of the Reapers in the AI), he would've to find out, what happened in the MW, to convince the Kett, that the Reapers are no threat anymore. If you have one relay, its freaking suicide to try and invade through there. Don't get me wrong ME thrives on handing people the idiot ball to get a plot rolling, but this is stretching it. The Rachni came through one relay if I remember right.
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Post by traks on Dec 23, 2020 19:09:24 GMT
BTW: I don't say they should or will go that route. I'm just open for any ideas, that make sense for me as a premise and am not categorically against anything before playing it. That doesn't make sense for me, because I still want more ME.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 23, 2020 19:37:02 GMT
If you have one relay, its freaking suicide to try and invade through there. Don't get me wrong ME thrives on handing people the idiot ball to get a plot rolling, but this is stretching it. The Rachni came through one relay if I remember right.
As a surprise attack from an unknown enemy. You'd have the rundown on what is in MEA before you opened a relay and have a garrison on both ends, with preparations to shut down, or if necessary absolutely destroy the relay on either end and on top of that wreck anything that came through on the drop of a hat.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 23, 2020 19:41:29 GMT
BTW: I don't say they should or will go that route. I'm just open for any ideas, that make sense for me as a premise and am not categorically against anything before playing it. That doesn't make sense for me, because I still want more ME. I want more ME, I don't want Ryder in the MW.
My top pick was MEA2 but with a new protagonist. Then MEA with Ryder though hopefully matured.
Then MW new protag Then MW with Shepard.
No where on my list is Ryder in the MW solving problems and no where on my list is some unholy blending of the two galaxies.
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Post by trengilly on Dec 24, 2020 6:02:04 GMT
My prediction: 1) Milky Way main story 600 years after Reapers. a. Destroy ending canonized b. Geth could return . . . easy to retcon . . . they just rebooted from backups. c. Shepard had a good life (assuming he/she survived). d. Liara is the only original trilogy character still around.
2) New protagonist . . . and you get to choose both RACE and gender! Letting people play as a Turian, Krogan, Asari etc would be a pretty big deal and excite many fans.
3) You are recruited by Liara to deal with some new issue . . . and most of the story takes place in MW.
4) Mysterious new issue will have some connection to Andromeda
5) Late in the story a recon team from Andromeda arrives in MW testing out a new relay. Team unlikely to include Ryder who is busy but would have a couple members from his/her crew. These are the people we "know".
6) Protagonist with assistance from Andromeda team partially resolves issue.
7) We are all setup for Mass Effect 5 that can combine both galaxies.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 19:47:51 GMT
I'm trying to come up with a reason why we would contact the Andromeda galaxy if things went to shit here. Hey, you know those dudes who left that don't have enough manpower to populate a small city, they will save our galaxy wide problem even though they probably have enough problems of their own setting up a new colony. Especially 600 years later. Like would anyone even think about them 600 years later, sure Liara knew they went there but 600 years come on. Even the best of writers would have a problem selling that narrative, and they aren't the best of writers. And this is ignoring the fact that the AI made the council look competent. Well, it's possible the Initiative contacted the Milky Way and not the other way around.
Initiative: "Hey, just wanted to let you know that we got here and it was pretty rough, but we found this super awesome terraforming tech."
Milky Way: "Oh, crap, we totally forgot about you guys! Things are shit here and that stuff you found sounds great! Can you send some our way?"
Yeah, 20K per species seems like way too few, even though humans apparently survived a bottleneck where there were only 14k of us.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 19:51:18 GMT
I'm not clear why we're assuming that the MW will still be a bad place 600 years past the Reaper War. Good point. It could be back up and running.
I think for me it's because we keep seeing pictures of the Mudskipper on undeveloped worlds and we don't see any cities. Although the picture of that Relay-thing points to at least some industry in the Milky Way.
Time will tell.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 19:57:08 GMT
Who's to say Control Shepard can't be downloaded into a new body? Shepard's consciousness was drastically altered, the moment it merged with the Catalyst. That person you knew as Shepard was effectively dead, even if it survived the destruction of its body. Probably so, but apart from the EC, I don't think we know much about what Control Shepard is like. Bioware could retcon it however they like.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 20:02:54 GMT
BTW: I don't say they should or will go that route. I'm just open for any ideas, that make sense for me as a premise and am not categorically against anything before playing it. That doesn't make sense for me, because I still want more ME. I want more ME, I don't want Ryder in the MW.
My top pick was MEA2 but with a new protagonist. Then MEA with Ryder though hopefully matured.
Then MW new protag Then MW with Shepard.
No where on my list is Ryder in the MW solving problems and no where on my list is some unholy blending of the two galaxies.
I think we'll need to wait for more information.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 20:09:00 GMT
My prediction: 1) Milky Way main story 600 years after Reapers. a. Destroy ending canonized b. Geth could return . . . easy to retcon . . . they just rebooted from backups. c. Shepard had a good life (assuming he/she survived). d. Liara is the only original trilogy character still around. 2) New protagonist . . . and you get to choose both RACE and gender! Letting people play as a Turian, Krogan, Asari etc would be a pretty big deal and excite many fans. 3) You are recruited by Liara to deal with some new issue . . . and most of the story takes place in MW. 4) Mysterious new issue will have some connection to Andromeda 5) Late in the story a recon team from Andromeda arrives in MW testing out a new relay. Team unlikely to include Ryder who is busy but would have a couple members from his/her crew. These are the people we "know". 6) Protagonist with assistance from Andromeda team partially resolves issue. 7) We are all setup for Mass Effect 5 that can combine both galaxies. I'm definitely on board with a setup like this.
I'm doubtful we will get different races, though I agree people would be excited for it. It just adds another layer of complexity (they would need different voice actors for the Krogan unless all of the characters are going to have gravelly voices, and I don't know that they would be able to tack on the flanging effect for the Turian voices on the fly or if they'd need a whole different set sound files).
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Post by smilesja on Dec 26, 2020 20:40:41 GMT
Do another analysis please!
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Post by themikefest on Dec 26, 2020 20:48:53 GMT
Initiative: "Hey, just wanted to let you know that we got here and it was pretty rough, but we found this super awesome terraforming tech." Milky Way: "Oh, crap, we totally forgot about you guys! Things are shit here and that stuff you found sounds great! Can you send some our way?" Milky Way: Wait a minute...Who is this? Initiative: We're the ones who left the Milky Way over 600 years ago in 2185. Milky Way: One moment.........I see now. In the last 600 hundred years, the galaxy has advanced far beyond what it was before the reaper war. And looking at was has happened in that time, I doubt the tech you mentioned will do any good. Go ahead and keep it. Anyways. Thanks for calling. Have a nice day.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 26, 2020 22:14:09 GMT
Initiative: "Hey, just wanted to let you know that we got here and it was pretty rough, but we found this super awesome terraforming tech." Milky Way: "Oh, crap, we totally forgot about you guys! Things are shit here and that stuff you found sounds great! Can you send some our way?" Milky Way: Wait a minute...Who is this? Initiative: We're the ones who left the Milky Way over 600 years ago in 2185. Milky Way: One moment.........I see now. In the last 600 hundred years, the galaxy has advanced far beyond what it was before the reaper war. And looking at was has happened in that time, I doubt the tech you mentioned will do any good. Go ahead and keep it. Anyways. Thanks for calling. Have a nice day. That is a problem from the endings and 600 years, only in mid/low destroy does it make sense that technology hasn't leapt forward. Synthesis in theory tech should leap forward in leaps and bounds depending on how you look at it, control similar levels, destroy all their tech is gained form scavenging so they should be pretty damn good at it with the reaper corpses so unless they got dark aged by the red wave there would be massive advancements. They are pulling tech from billion year old AI squid monsters with 600 years to do it.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 28, 2020 20:53:21 GMT
Do another analysis please! Thanks for the vote of confidence!
If I have any new ideas I'll let you know.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 28, 2020 21:03:42 GMT
Vote for the last option in the poll. People really need to STOP over-analyzing trailers (regardless if it a trailer for a video game, TV show, movie, book, etc) because it only leads to toxic fandoms. Just enjoy it and wait for more official info.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 28, 2020 21:06:24 GMT
Milky Way: Wait a minute...Who is this? Initiative: We're the ones who left the Milky Way over 600 years ago in 2185. Milky Way: One moment.........I see now. In the last 600 hundred years, the galaxy has advanced far beyond what it was before the reaper war. And looking at was has happened in that time, I doubt the tech you mentioned will do any good. Go ahead and keep it. Anyways. Thanks for calling. Have a nice day. That is a problem from the endings and 600 years, only in mid/low destroy does it make sense that technology hasn't leapt forward. Synthesis in theory tech should leap forward in leaps and bounds depending on how you look at it, control similar levels, destroy all their tech is gained form scavenging so they should be pretty damn good at it with the reaper corpses so unless they got dark aged by the red wave there would be massive advancements. They are pulling tech from billion year old AI squid monsters with 600 years to do it. I think the thing about 600+ years is that there is enough time for a lot of things to happen. History hasn't been a steady climb upwards to bigger and better things. It's possible for wars or plague to have broken out in the intervening years that cause the galaxy to be in disarray at the start of the game.
Does anyone know if reaper shells will still indoctrinate nearby organics? Or will nothing happen because there is no longer an intelligence guiding the indoctrination?
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 28, 2020 21:20:49 GMT
Vote for the last option in the poll. People really need to STOP over-analyzing trailers (regardless if it a trailer for a video game, TV show, movie, book, etc) because it only leads to toxic fandoms. Just enjoy it and wait for more official info. In what way do you think analysis lead to toxicity?
Certainly things in the trailer may not end up in the game -- we are early days yet. And people can get too attached to their ideas of what the trailer means and get bent out of shape if their ideas aren't real. I think people will be toxic if they are toxic; analysis may give them a subject, but it doesn't create toxicity in itself IMO.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 28, 2020 21:49:27 GMT
That is a problem from the endings and 600 years, only in mid/low destroy does it make sense that technology hasn't leapt forward. Synthesis in theory tech should leap forward in leaps and bounds depending on how you look at it, control similar levels, destroy all their tech is gained form scavenging so they should be pretty damn good at it with the reaper corpses so unless they got dark aged by the red wave there would be massive advancements. They are pulling tech from billion year old AI squid monsters with 600 years to do it. I think the thing about 600+ years is that there is enough time for a lot of things to happen. History hasn't been a steady climb upwards to bigger and better things. It's possible for wars or plague to have broken out in the intervening years that cause the galaxy to be in disarray at the start of the game.
Does anyone know if reaper shells will still indoctrinate nearby organics? Or will nothing happen because there is no longer an intelligence guiding the indoctrination?
Yeah which is sort of my point about dark ages, it doesn't have t be the red wave that causes it though that would be the most obvious choice. But outside that you can go with krogan war or something. Problem with synthesis or control is they establish galactic peace. Either through the magical power of synthesis, or Shepard being the all powerful watch dog, so this only works for destruction.
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 28, 2020 21:55:18 GMT
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to. If we're arguing that the Reapers would be "mostly" dead, then we can definitively say that Shepard's story would be far from over. Not to mention that "Shepard's story is over" is an entirely arbitrary end point imposed by people who know nothing about how story telling works. There is no finish line.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 28, 2020 23:04:49 GMT
reaper shells still have the ability to indoctrinate after being destroyed? If so, who/what would control the people? Would thing still be around? Could it have downloaded itself to another location, possibly to darkspace, away from the red wave? To limit those from being indoctrinated, how far would they have to be from the shell? How much time would Shepard or a new main character need to stop thing?
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Post by helios969 on Dec 31, 2020 10:17:28 GMT
How about built by an army of Leviathan drones...maybe over hundreds of thousands of years...since we're thinking outside the box here.
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Post by feuerrabe on Dec 31, 2020 13:47:14 GMT
I am inclined to believe that the Liara we see in the video is indeed much older than the Liara we knew in the original trilogy. It's not just the wrinkles, it's something about the way she carries herself. It might be otherwise, of course, and it's just a fluke in the animation. What is a little weird about the trailer: We see a small vessel approach a planet, as if it was about to land. Then we see Liara climbing up a mountain. But then we see the presumably same ship in the background. It's hard to make out the silhouettes, but I suppose there is a Salarian. Turian and Krogan, left to right. (The OP saw a human in the middle figure - that is also possible, but the siluette seemed kind of ducked to me and the stance seemed weird for a human.) So Liara did not come with that ship? Did Liara do the Yoda after the ending of Mass Effect 3? Anyway, I am not sure how the N7 helmet piece got there either. If it had been lying there for several hundred years, it should have corroded and be in a far worse state, not to mention that it should have been burried under ice and rock. Is for the planet on which the scene takes place: My guess would be that it's not a planet that was previously mention. While the detective work by th OP is remarkable, we need to keep in mind that the game designers can and will make up a ton of new things - everything else would be kinda boring. As for the ending of ME3 - if they do pick a different set the game in the distant future, I would presume that they leave the ending open or only build small variations into the game. To my best knowledge the mass relays were destroyed in all three endings, even though the patch for the ending added a scene where they were re-assemble in the blue ending, I don't know about the others. If they do set the campaign in the distant future, they will likely make it so that any ending of Mass Effect 3 will work. The galaxy could have fallen into a dark age either way and galactic civilization collapsed either way. There is no guarantee that the mass relays ever actually worked again, even if it was attempted to fix them. Earth had taken a severe toll during the Reaper war and there was a gigantic army in stranded in the Solr system after the war, so that it might not have mattered as much whether or not Earth was destroyed.
If the geth still existed, that would be a clear indication that it can't be the red ending. Then again, the geth could have been restored by the remote Quarian sympathizer after the war. The hardware still existed and while the geth, per se, are rather the processes, not the hardware, once you have fixed a platform, it should be possible to invoke new geth. I am not actually particularly keen on another conflict of organics vs. machine and more pseudo-phylosophic rambling that ends in circular logic. Given current games, at the moment I'd actually appreciate if they went with the green ending, even though I never played it. It has the most potential for serious cyberpunk.
There is something about the tone of the trailer that makes me think that there might be more mysticism. A galactic dark age would explain why technology has not seriously evolved over the centuries and even though a very long time has passed, the ship looked not so very different from what we've already seen.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 31, 2020 14:04:12 GMT
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to. If we're arguing that the Reapers would be "mostly" dead, then we can definitively say that Shepard's story would be far from over. Not to mention that "Shepard's story is over" is an entirely arbitrary end point imposed by people who know nothing about how story telling works. There is no finish line. There is, however, a pointless anti-climax line.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 31, 2020 14:08:46 GMT
There is, however, a pointless anti-climax line. Only if you can't execute competently a great premise, that you already have set up.
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