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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 18:15:46 GMT
With Varrics unfortunately return as a major character which one of the Origins characters have to return as well?
If Varric is the breakout star from DA 2 (Too bad that my favourite DA 2 companion Aveline doesn´t getting as near the love from fans) and then is fair to say that Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan are the ones for Origins.
So who from Origins should be back? I would prefer none (even not as a cameo) but if have to pick one then its Morrigan because she make more sense than Alistair and has a lot less screentime than Leliana. With Charter already exists a good replacement character. And Alistair has as a quantum character many different fates.
Like i said i would prefer that no one of the three is back for DA 4 because Sten as the new Arishock (major character) and Shale would be more than enough. Well atleast for me but i guess that Sten and Shale don´t have the starpower from an Alistair, Leliana or Morrigan.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 19:13:54 GMT
Come on the obvious answer is Ahren. Big Kudos if you know this guy without using the Wiki.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 21, 2020 19:39:09 GMT
To be honest there is no reason to bring back any of the three you mention. Alistair can be dead or ruling in Ferelden, so no business being up in Tevinter. However, if they are going to resurrect the Grey Warden Weishauppt plot from the epilogue of DAI, then Alistair could make a cameo appearance, as could Stroud, Loghain or Hawke. Mind you, Trespasser had Hawke back in Kirkwall if alive, with no mention of what they had been doing for the last 2 years, so I don't know what to make of that.
The epilogue to Trespasser specifically said that Leliana was training up Charter and Harding as he replacements and Harding attends that final war table meeting in the basement at Haven, so she is more likely to be appearing than Leliana, closely followed by Charter, who has been the main Inquisition agent in the comics and TN.
Morrigan making an appearance would depend on two things. First, how important the Well of Sorrows is to the on-going plot. In which case she would be an either/or with the Inquisitor on that one. Second, whether they intend taking the plot forward where she was meant to be the heir to Flemeth. If whatever she put into the eluvian before her meeting with Solas was intended for Morrigan, then presumably it was important and we will see her again. However, it wouldn't be the first time that the writers wanted, or were forced, into taking a completely different direction with a character. After all, look at the cancelled Exalted March which had it gone ahead would have had a different plot for both Hawke and Corypheus, with Varric now dead. Strange to think how his fortune changed with the demise of that DLC, so that he is now considered the iconic "friend" of the series who always "has your back".
Shale would make sense considering she is always alive, both at the end of the game and Asunder and it was said she wished to head to Tevinter to see if she could be restored as a dwarf. That seems unlikely but seeing Shale again would be entirely in keeping with what we were previously told about her future plans. I liked Shale so I wouldn't mind seeing her again.
To be honest, I wonder if Arishok Sten is dead. If we are to take the stories at face value about the Antaam attacking without the blessing of the leadership on Par Vollen, that seems unlike Sten. Nor does it seem likely that the commanders under him would have suddenly mutinied and gone off without his approval. However, if Tevinter had succeeded in assassinating Arishok Sten, as they would have been keen to do because they feared his strategic sense and subtlety, that would explain the Antaam's determination to push ahead with the attack on the Tevinter mainland with or without the backing of the other two members of the Triumverate. If Arishok Sten is alive, then I take any talk of a split within the Qunari with a pinch of salt. Deciding on military strategy has always been the responsibility of the Arishok, without reference to the other two, so it is more likely that they want the outside world to believe there is a schism because it furthers their plans and may throw the Dread Wolf off the scent of their agents in the Ben'Hassrath.
It might be possible to see Zevran again in an optional cameo depending on his outcome in DAO, particularly as we are likely to encounter the Crows and in at least some versions he was meant to still be operating against them.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 19:57:44 GMT
To be honest there is no reason to bring back any of the three you mention. Varric also doesn´t make sense for me but still he is back in DA 4. And these three are the big stars from Origins
who were all together in every game and almost every DLC. I would prefer that no one returns besides some obvious text mentions. There are 4 characters and two of them could had died earlier in a different world state. Like Divine Victoria i don´t think that is worth to spent much ressoucres in to that. Edit: Oghren on the other hand why not? He also could be dead but is much easier than those four. But to honest i would prefer Nathaniel and Sigrun (why not?) over him. I can see ways / rectons to explain why she always be a alive and if wasn´t be activated. First she she is a golem and maybe can´t really die and second someone else did it. Sorry there is no way that Bioware kill Sten offscreen. Maybe dies but this is a major event in DA 4. Also what´s the point in making him Arishok if you don´t use that much? Good guess but i would if this won´t be the case because Bioware have to explain why he left the Warden if was romanced.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 21, 2020 20:40:55 GMT
If we go to weisshsaupt then morrigan will show.
Would love to see shale, gorrim, sandal(has to be in it), Jerrik and his bronto
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 21, 2020 20:59:07 GMT
I have the feeling Varric will not actually be in DA4. Maybe as a narrator/voice/quest giver at distance, but I feel he was chosen for the trailer just because he is so well know from the fanbase, just like Morrigan for DAI's trailer. Yes, she had a part in DAI, but much smaller than what the fanbase thought before the game was out. So, at least for the moment, I think Varric will not be really part of the game, at most, he'll be the one sending to Tevinter the Inquisition orders to Charter/Harding (I still have my doubts those two will be in game, at most not as companions).
As for Sten...do we know if the Qun have only one Arishok? I always found the Qun gerarchy a little nebolous, at least from the game (I have both WoT, but I admit I haven't read them all because reading so much in english became alienating after some time, since is not my first language) and it never made sense to me that a unique figure in the Qun society (expecially one at the head of the military) would spend so many years away from home and its responsabilities... not with the Qun having some perpetual war going on/preparing for.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 20:59:07 GMT
If we go to weisshsaupt then morrigan will show. Why Weisshaupt? Not many would have suggest Jerrik. I don´t hate him but he a bit boring. Maybe its just me but
i always prefer the Witch Hunts companions over the ones from Golems of Amgarrak. But i guess there could be some interessing to tell about Jerrik because it didn´t make sense that he was a Surface dwarf in DAI.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 21:05:23 GMT
I have the feeling Varric will not actually be in DA4. Maybe as a narrator/voice/quest giver at distance, but I feel he was chosen for the trailer just because he is so well know from the fanbase, just like Morrigan for DAI's trailer. Yes, she had a part in DAI, but much smaller than what the fanbase thought before the game was out. So, at least for the moment, I think Varric will not be really part of the game, at most, he'll be the one sending to Tevinter the Inquisition orders to Charter/Harding (I still have my doubts those two will be in game, at most not as companions). I thought the same before i heard hia line: "I´ve got your back" Of course this could mean everything but personal i doubt that his support means a minor role like a cameo. Only one Arishok at a time because he is the supreme leader of all the Qunari forces.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2020 21:06:16 GMT
There are literally pictures of a Warden Fortress in a desert area = Weishaupt.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2020 21:07:52 GMT
To answer the OP;
I only see Morrigan coming back if they continue the Flemeth story line by her taking on the spirit.
Shale will either be a cameo or an easter egg; mentioned as Talis was mentioned, in a codex:letter we happen upon.
No Alistair. And Leliana would only be mentioned indirectly in the form of Divine Victoria.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 21, 2020 21:13:53 GMT
There are literally pictures of a Warden Fortress in a desert area = Weishaupt. I don't recall seeing any images like you describe, phoray. The trailer did feature a shot of a group of spiky shell creatures (presumably Koopa or Pokemon) in a wet and sandy area framed by what appears to be a Warden's legs, but no fortress.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 21:14:56 GMT
There are literally pictures of a Warden Fortress in a desert area = Weishaupt. I know that but why would Morrigan of all people show up at Weisshaupt? Maybe Bioware made her transformation into a dwarf for a cool side quest which is a bit more than a cameo. Who knows maybe they contuine the King Maric story (i know he is dead) story from the comics but that´s highly unlikely.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 21:18:40 GMT
I don't recall seeing any images like you describe, phoray. The trailer did feature a shot of a group of spiky shell creatures (presumably Koopa or Pokemon) in a wet and sandy area framed by what appears to be a Warden's legs, but no fortress. I believe that this concept art shows Weisshaupt.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2020 21:22:25 GMT
There are literally pictures of a Warden Fortress in a desert area = Weishaupt. I don't recall seeing any images like you describe, phoray. The trailer did feature a shot of a group of armoured shell creatures (presumably Pokemon) in a wet and sandy area framed by what appears to be a Warden's legs, but no fortress. This was from the teaser trailer from Aug 2020 that was just still art shots. Seen at 1:19-1:21 is the Desert Fortress with Griffon Statues. and 3:57 shows inside the fortress with Griffon Motif Blue Flags. So actually, although that could possibly somehow not be Weishaupt, I haven't heard of any other gigantic warden fortresses. The ones in Orlais were pretty measely.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2020 21:24:26 GMT
I know that but why would Morrigan of all people show up at Weisshaupt? oh, sorry, I'd somehow missed that part of the statement. In a world where Morrigan didn't romance the Warden, she has zero ties to the Warden Organiazation. so I agree, one does not equal the other. Even when she does romance the Warden, she doesn't even go with him to search for the Cure to the Calling. So she's cannon not involved in Warden stuff to me.
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 21, 2020 21:29:14 GMT
I have the feeling Varric will not actually be in DA4. Maybe as a narrator/voice/quest giver at distance, but I feel he was chosen for the trailer just because he is so well know from the fanbase, just like Morrigan for DAI's trailer. Yes, she had a part in DAI, but much smaller than what the fanbase thought before the game was out. So, at least for the moment, I think Varric will not be really part of the game, at most, he'll be the one sending to Tevinter the Inquisition orders to Charter/Harding (I still have my doubts those two will be in game, at most not as companions). I thought the same before i heard hia line: "I´ve got your back" Of course this could mean everything but personal i doubt that his support means a minor role like a cameo.
I think tht phrase is even more a sign that he will be playng a marginal role. As a messanger, giwing us info and resources for out team for our team to work. After all is "we have your back...I have your back". Is the Inquisition who haveyour back. And Varric is part of the Inquisition. Even if the Inquisition is no more officially. A innuendo for the fans. I find hard to read much more in it. frankly.
As for the Qun...I smell the lore is gonna change. And I find it even more stupid having an important, unique figure in Kirkwall following a thief when a person of that calibre should not even be going outside Quarinos (? lapsus, I can't remember if is the Qun mainland name) aside from actual war. He sould have been with the rest of the hight up making strategies. It would make sense if he was just one of many Arishok.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 21, 2020 21:50:04 GMT
And these three are the big stars from Origins
who were all together in every game and almost every DLC. In the case of Alistair this is not true. If Anora is made sole ruler (or ruling with a male Cousland) then Alistair either appeared as a drunk (if spared) or not at all (if executed) in DA2 and didn't appear in DAI. Also, if you choose Champions of the Just as your course then even if he is King you never see him. So he definitely is not someone who automatically appears in every game. I agree about Varric but for some reason they have decided to use him not just as the voice over but in some capacity in the next game, otherwise they would not have him say "I've got your back." If he is never seen on screen and you only hear about him via codices, that hardly merits that phrase, even if technically he is still part of the team hunting Solas. Sorry there is no way that Bioware kill Sten offscreen. Maybe dies but this is a major event in DA 4. Also what´s the point in making him Arishok if you don´t use that much? We have never seen him in that role in game and to be honest I don't believe there is a codex referencing him either. Essentially, we wouldn't even know he was meant to be Arishok were it not for the hints that he might be in WoT2 and the use of him by DG in his comic series, the latter probably being the reason he was made Arishok because it suited the story he wanted to tell. So, as I say above, the idea that has been introduced of the Antaam acting without the approval or backing (in terms of supply lines, etc?) of Par Vollen, makes me feel that they may have quietly shelved the idea of Arishok Sten because it would be out of character for him to have acted in that way. So they don't really even have to explain what happened to him, other than possibly the rumours about him being Arishok were incorrect. After all there is no guarantee we are even going to meet the Arishok next game. Good guess but i would if this won´t be the case because Bioware have to explain why he left the Warden if was romanced. This is why I suggest it would be optional depending on the choices you made in DAO. If you romanced him then it will be assumed he is still off somewhere with the Hero. If you killed him then he is dead. However, if you spared him but not romanced him, then he could make an appearance as either a cameo or side-quest, as was the case with him in DA2.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 21, 2020 21:55:11 GMT
The characters in question each had their time in the sun, novels, comics, dlcs, cameos and roles in subsequent games. But their story arcs have reached their respective conclusions and with the change in scenery, it provides us with a chance to meet new characters. I am happy that they were the faces that introduced the Dragon Age franchise to me, but we need to move on, and retire them with dignity, lest they be beaten like a dead horse and reused, reinterpreted, retconned or otherwise into personas we barely recognise. I wouldn't be opposed to them being mentioned or referred to in game through characters, but the time has come to meet new people to love and loath.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 21, 2020 22:06:10 GMT
Well in my world state she is involved with warden and warden is mentioned to be there and since they hinted several times that something happened there I believe we are going. It’s a guess she would show up to investigate the calling
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 22:14:23 GMT
In the case of Alistair this is not true. If Anora is made sole ruler (or ruling with a male Cousland) then Alistair either appeared as a drunk (if spared) or not at all (if executed) in DA2 and didn't appear in DAI. Also, if you choose Champions of the Just as your course then even if he is King you never see him. So he definitely is not someone who automatically appears in every game. Come on of course Alistair and almost everybody else won´t show up if executed but my point is still valid that Alistair alongside Leliana was in every game even he hadn´t appeared in some player worldstates.
So yeah Alistair had apperances in DA 2 & DAI but i am really surprised that have mentioned Alistair instead of Morrigan who hadn´t any scene in DA 2. Fun fact she believe that she was planned to appear in third DA 2 DLC about Mythals temple if hadn´t been scrapped. Varric must be atleast a questgiver i mean to say "I´ve got your back" but then to used for cameo similiar to the Nathaniels or Zevrans would be very strange.
If you are talking about the old Arishok you are correct but Sten as new Arishok come on. The Qunari invasion without Sten as Arishok won´t feel right. I am not kidding its like if Dorian isn´t in DA 4.
I still don´t believe that the Sten as Arishok was the one who was responsible for the invasion. I suspect someone else who started it.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2020 22:26:15 GMT
The characters in question each had their time in the sun, novels, comics, dlcs, cameos and roles in subsequent games. But their story arcs have reached their respective conclusions and with the change in scenery, it provides us with a chance to meet new characters. I am happy that they were the faces that introduced the Dragon Age franchise to me, but we need to move on, and retire them with dignity, lest they be beaten like a dead horse and reused, reinterpreted, retconned or otherwise into personas we barely recognise. I wouldn't be opposed to them being mentioned or referred to in game through characters, but the time has come to meet new people to love and loath. Well before the latest trailer i thought the same thing about Varric. He also had his time in the series. I love this guy but for two games and severall DLCs as main rogue companion (Isabela, Sebastian, Sera and Cole are optional. Varric isn´t optional) plus DA 2 & Keep narrator is more than enough. Also in my opinion he has a good exit as vicomte from Kirkwall. But Bioware clearly have other plans for him. Maybe they want to kill finally him like this was the plan in scrapped DA 2 expansion.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 21, 2020 22:37:51 GMT
I can see reasons for Morrigan to come back. She's always been our go-to gal for weird ancient magic that nobody else in the setting seems to know anything about, and that's pretty much the substance of the threat.
I'd let the others go.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 22, 2020 1:00:21 GMT
Of the DAO cast, I only see Morrigan and Sten as having notable roles. The former due to her connection to Flemeth, and the latter because he is the Arishok.
Any other DAO characters I imagine if they show up would only be cameo roles. Like say if there is a peace treaty between Tevinter and Par Vollen Leliana showing up as Divine Victoria to oversee it as a third party.
I agree with everyone not wanting Varric again. I didn’t like him in DA2 and hated him in DAI so why if all options him again?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 22, 2020 2:36:25 GMT
There are literally pictures of a Warden Fortress in a desert area = Weishaupt. Adamant was a warden fortress in a desert area. That alone does not mean the concept art is Weisshaupt.
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