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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 11, 2021 6:21:20 GMT
The only question for me would be who would be Writing Morrigan and if Claudia Black is back voicing her?
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Post by Zenti on Jan 16, 2021 2:53:29 GMT
Good guess but i would if this won´t be the case because Bioware have to explain why he left the Warden if was romanced.
I still think there's an easy enough explanation. Following a twin lead for the calling could have split them up or any obvious excuse would do. Either way, I think Zevran would be a fine guest companion since he does have insight of Antiva and the crows. In Inquisition, if still alive, he does have connections to the Inquisition. Disbanded or not, I'm sure it would be possible to reach out to him. Either way, it's mainly just me with high wishes low expectations since he is my warden's romance.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 18, 2021 2:49:07 GMT
Good guess but i would if this won´t be the case because Bioware have to explain why he left the Warden if was romanced.
I still think there's an easy enough explanation. Following a twin lead for the calling could have split them up or any obvious excuse would do. Either way, I think Zevran would be a fine guest companion since he does have insight of Antiva and the crows. In Inquisition, if still alive, he does have connections to the Inquisition. Disbanded or not, I'm sure it would be possible to reach out to him. Either way, it's mainly just me with high wishes low expectations since he is my warden's romance. Honestly Zev would be a Mint companion but I dont think Bioware would bring back a character that could be killed in either Origins or DA2.it would be interesting but unlikely just like they didnt bring back Wynne because the obvious death flags attached to her which sadly Zev has as well.
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 18, 2021 4:49:10 GMT
Flemeth in dao and da2 seemed to have fortune telling as an ability (first time we meet her) she helps both escape death because she knows their importance-she states it in dao so yes it’s predetermined. That wasn't prophesy. In DAO she knows the importance of Grey Wardens to killing an Arch-demon and she saves you because she wants to circumvent the process through the Dark Ritual. Morrigan says as much when she suggests it to you. As for Hawke, she says she can never be certain if meeting up with them was chance or fate. However, we are never told why she needs to get to the Freemarches without being detected (which presumably might be the case if she flew there as a dragon) or why she needed to hang around waiting for the Hero to kill her if she knew Morrigan was going to do it. Then, when she talks about not fearing the plunge into the abyss, that could mean anything occurring in the future that requires a leap of faith. Remember that originally there was going to be the Exalted March DLC which would have rounded off Hawke's story, so there would have been no fall into the Fade in DAI. More than likely solas now has that power so varrics line in trailer is telling Which line are you referring to? If I had to guess flemeth sent part of her essence to him right before solas kills her (who else is there?) Morrigan? After all, that's who Kieran says is the inheritor. Presumably the OG knows things that we don't, because it does have links with Mythal. She seems to have a way of contacting him through his dreams. However, it is perfectly possible that since Sandal in some way had Solas' plan imprinted on his mind. So knowing what Solas plans to happen is the reason it sounds so similar but is not necessarily a confirmation that it will happen. Actually Flemeth DOES have to power of foresight. Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. And the reason she needed Hawke to smuggle her to the Freemarches is because she knew Morrigan intended to try and convince the Warden to Kill her. Something which my Warden never does. As to the topic. Alistair is busy being sole ruler in my game. Leliana is Divine and in a romance with my Warden. And Morrigan is likely living in the Wilds somewhere, feeling grateful that the Inquisitor drank from the Well of Sorrows.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 18, 2021 12:58:20 GMT
Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. I've never read this. What exactly does she say about the Blight and Loghain?
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 18, 2021 13:34:31 GMT
Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. I've never read this. What exactly does she say about the Blight and Loghain? She said "loghain will betray you, each time worse than the last". In exactly what way is never stated. But given what happens in Origins it seems pretty clear.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 14:21:41 GMT
Actually Flemeth DOES have to power of foresight. Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. And the reason she needed Hawke to smuggle her to the Freemarches is because she knew Morrigan intended to try and convince the Warden to Kill her. Something which my Warden never does. Flemeth's foresight was also hinted at during our Warden's first meeting with her, when she makes an offhand comment about Daveth not being important to this story, seemingly aware that he would not survive the Joining.
And she seemed to know (or at least guess) that Hawke had some important destiny in Kirkwall, beyond simply ferrying her locket to Sundermount.
As a believer in destiny, Flemeth would notice how highly improbable their meeting was if not a sign from fate... because otherwise, that would mean she just chose on a whim to save a random family of refugees from darkspawn, who just so happened to be planning to head across the Waking Sea, to the exact place her locket needed to be delivered too?
That wasn't a sign, it was a frigging Bat-Signal. She said "loghain will betray you, each time worse than the last". In exactly what way is never stated. But given what happens in Origins it seems pretty clear. The first betrayal was him developing feelings for Rowan (which were reciprocated) before she was to marry Maric, the second was indirectly causing the death of Katriel by informing Maric that she was a spy and had betrayed him (which while true, wasn't the whole story) and the third was abandoning Maric's son to die at Ostagar.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 18, 2021 15:15:50 GMT
Flemeth: Watch for the abyss. And when it comes before you, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when we fall that we learn if we can fly.
Hawke: Okay, funny hair.
A few years later, in the Fade:
Hawke: By Andraste's nipples, the witch was right! Now is the moment of truth!
[Couldn't fly]
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2021 15:35:39 GMT
The first betrayal was him developing feelings for Rowan (which were reciprocated) before she was to marry Maric, the second was indirectly causing the death of Katriel by informing Maric that she was a spy and had betrayed him (which while true, wasn't the whole story) and the third was abandoning Maric's son to die at Ostagar.
*abandoned two of MAric's sons to die at Ostagar. Put a hit out on Alistair when the abandonment didn't work. The last was being so paranoid and power hungry that he tried to seize the throne and caused a civil war in the middle of a blight so that the response to the Blight was pretty much 0.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 15:56:57 GMT
Flemeth: Watch for the abyss. And when it comes before you, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when we fall that we learn if we can fly. Hawke: Okay, funny hair. A few years later, in the Fade:Hawke: By Andraste's nipples, the witch was right! Now is the moment of truth! [Couldn't fly]
Why do you think they kept asking about learning how to turn into a dragon? Hawke knew it would be useful!
But in seriousness, if you think about it, Flemeth's prophecy did come true.
Hawke and the Inquisitor would have died falling into the Abyssal Rift, but survived by leaping into the Fade.
(Also if you subscribe to the fan theory that Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, this foreshadowing would have worked even better)
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:05:54 GMT
The last was being so paranoid and power hungry that he tried to seize the throne and caused a civil war in the middle of a blight so that the response to the Blight was pretty much 0. I desperately want to a make a joke about someone we're all thinking of right now, but I know the mods will frown.
So I'm merely going to nod sagely and smile at the inference.... and how fun it is to say... "inference".
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:50:09 GMT
Does anyone else wonder how they'll handle writing Morrigan as the new "Flemeth", assuming that it was the spirit of Mythal that Flemeth was transferring through the Eluvian to find it's way to her at the end of Inquisition?
You'd think that becoming "Flemeth" and having Mythal's spirit in her head would have to change her in some way... and given that fans like Morrigan as she is, it might be hard for them to change up her character dynamic in such a drastic way? Plus her complicated relationship with her mother kinda was an important part of her story arc, which was largely resolved in Inquisition.
I suppose they could circumvent this by introducing another sister of Morrigan who ends up assuming the mantle of Flemeth during the game and deals with the newfound perspective of having all that knowledge, power and an ancient elven spirit dumped into their head. She could even have something of an inferiority complex because she knows Morrigan was supposed to be the one who got the spirit of Mythal, but for some reason it transferred to her instead, despite Flemeth not thinking she was "suitable".
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2021 18:25:28 GMT
The last was being so paranoid and power hungry that he tried to seize the throne and caused a civil war in the middle of a blight so that the response to the Blight was pretty much 0. I desperately want to a make a joke about someone we're all thinking of right now, but I know the mods will frown.
So I'm merely going to nod sagely and smile at the inference.... and how fun it is to say... "inference". OH MY GOSH I SEE IT NOW. You~
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2021 18:27:17 GMT
Does anyone else wonder how they'll handle writing Morrigan as the new "Flemeth", assuming that it was the spirit of Mythal that Flemeth was transferring through the Eluvian to find it's way to her at the end of Inquisition?
You'd think that becoming "Flemeth" and having Mythal's spirit in her head would have to change her in some way... and given that fans like Morrigan as she is, it might be hard for them to change up her character dynamic in such a drastic way? Plus her complicated relationship with her mother kinda was an important part of her story arc, which was largely resolved in Inquisition.
I suppose they could circumvent this by introducing another sister of Morrigan who ends up assuming the mantle of Flemeth during the game and deals with the newfound perspective of having all that knowledge, power and an ancient elven spirit dumped into their head. She could even have something of an inferiority complex because she knows Morrigan was supposed to be the one who got the spirit of Mythal, but for some reason it transferred to her instead, despite Flemeth not thinking she was "suitable". I am still 99% certain Morrigan will receive Mythall. I think she will still be voiced by Claudia Black and maybe the way she speaks may occasionally change. (imagines Morrigan doing the Flemeth Cackle)
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 18:53:39 GMT
I am still 99% certain Morrigan will receive Mythall. I think she will still be voiced by Claudia Black and maybe the way she speaks may occasionally change. (imagines Morrigan doing the Flemeth Cackle) I can't decide whether I find the idea of Claudia Black cackling to be hot or terrifying... maybe both?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 18, 2021 19:55:27 GMT
Hawke and the Inquisitor would have died falling into the Abyssal Rift, but survived by leaping into the Fade. Except her words were meaningless considering that Hawke didn't have the option of deciding whether the leap or not because the ground simply collapsed under them and the only reason they didn't die was because of the archor. So whether Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor or not, for Flemeth to have been having foresight about that incident, she would also have to have known that Fen'Harel would give away his orb to Corypheus who would then be interrupted at exactly the right moment for the anchor to pass to the person who would end up falling into the Abyssal rift at Adamant. If she really saw all of that in the future then it would seem that she wanted Fen'Harel to use Corypheus to crack open his orb or surely she would have tried to prevent it? Is that why she apologised to him? Seriously, I far prefer it when things haven't been "foreseen".
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 18, 2021 20:06:38 GMT
the third was abandoning Maric's son to die at Ostagar. *abandoned two of MAric's sons to die at Ostagar. Put a hit out on Alistair when the abandonment didn't work. The last was being so paranoid and power hungry that he tried to seize the throne and caused a civil war in the middle of a blight so that the response to the Blight was pretty much 0. To play Devil's Advocate here, another way of looking at it was that Maric's son was about to betray his father by divorcing Anora in order to marry the Empress Celene of Orlais, which was totally selling out Ferelden as it is obvious how Orlais would regard that in the future. Then knowing that Alistair would be controlled by Eamon, who was encouraging Cailan to divorced Anora, Loghain attempted to remove both of them from the scene as well. Loghain would have been aware that in previous Blights Orlais only "helped" when they could see themselves getting something out of it. In the 2nd Blight Drakon extended his empire northwards into what is now Nevarra and annexed the Anderfels. In the 3rd Blight Orlais "liberated" the city state of Nevarra from the darkspawn and then failed to go home afterwards. In the 4th Blight Orlais didn't send an army at all because they were largely unaffected by it and they clearly didn't want the places that were. So Loghain was not paranoid in thinking that once the Chevaliers and their armies were back inside Ferelden it would be very hard to get them out again after the Blight was over. Loghain was not madly lusting after power for its own sake; he was trying to ensure the future of Ferelden once the Blight was over. Plus with the Arch-demon not having surfaced he may have been questioning if it was a true blight and the Grey Warden's secrecy meant that no one but them newly exactly why having surviving Grey Wardens was so vital to defeating it.
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2021 20:56:43 GMT
another way of looking at it was that Maric's son was about to betray his father by divorcing Anora in order to marry the Empress Celene of Orlais, which was totally selling out Ferelden as it is obvious how Orlais would regard that in the future. so one, why would this be a betrayal of Marric. AS I recall, Marric barely joined the rebellion in the first place, he was a very apathetic son to the Red Queen. He eventually came around, but his hatred of Orlais came nowhere near that of Loghain's. He hated tyranny, and Celene doesn't really represent that. (also, MArrid abandoned his kingship soooooooo he don't really get a say anymore) two, Alistair is not controlled by Eamon, if anything he was abandoned by him to the Chantry/Wardens. Eamon barely gets a line in the end slides about how he occasionally advises and that's the end of it, no issues of puppet king anywhere. three, if Cailan marrying Anora was really that Blasphemous, then the way Fereldan politics works, they just would have voted in a new king who didn't have such problematic connections. It's a bit weird, but Cailan could not actually ensure he stayed King of Fereldan by marrying Celene and it's kinda weird she wanted to marry a King with such little claim to actual Fereldan as the position has. I swear, I think the writers can't keep straight what the politics in Fereldan are, they're so cool and they keep ignoring them and kinda just be like "it's like the King of Britain" when it totally isn't. Loghain could have let Eamon or literally anyone else be quickly voted in, and you cannot argue that he did not know what Arl Howe was doing, killing the most likely to be voted in in a pinch as the Couslands were. He lusted for that throne, I'm just not going to believe otherwise. At the very best, his ego was so effin large he literally believed only he could save the country, but that would still be totally ignoring his support for the murder of what seemed to be a very reasonable option in the Cousland family line.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 18, 2021 21:40:18 GMT
I swear, I think the writers can't keep straight what the politics in Fereldan are, they're so cool and they keep ignoring them and kinda just be like "it's like the King of Britain" when it totally isn't. The writers constantly forget the politics in Ferelden. It seems like they wrote a really cool concept at the beginning and then ignored it when it didn't suit the story they wanted to tell. Look at the whole debacle in DAI. The nobility of Ferelden were largely invisible, only really getting involved through the War Table when they still wanted to the Inquisition to do things they should have been doing. Then in Trespasser Teagan was complaining that we hadn't left the keep in Crestwood. Why should we so long as the Freeholders wanted us to stay? Which I imagine they would considering they would have perished without us. It seems likely it was a similar story with the plot of DAO. There was something being hinted at from the very beginning in the camp at Ostagar and lots of interesting tit bits dropped along the way, like Howe accusing Cousland's father of being a traitor, which seems like nonsense until you remember that in the origin story he had just returned from Orlais, but apart from what was revealed in the DLC that political intrigue came to nothing. It could have been so much more but that is true of other plot lines in later games.
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2021 21:45:58 GMT
gervaise21at this point, I'm about ready to chalk it all up to red herrings that allow plausible deniability. Same thing by leaning into the unreliable narrator BS that explains away nearly every loophole and retcon they've pulled. We're both masochists for this fictional world.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 18, 2021 22:16:20 GMT
Honestly Zev would be a Mint companion but I dont think Bioware would bring back a character that could be killed in either Origins or DA2.it would be interesting but unlikely just like they didnt bring back Wynne because the obvious death flags attached to her which sadly Zev has as well. Its very unlikely but it would be cool if they still do it. Maybe not for the main game but for a DLC? After Wrex appearance in the Citadel DLC we can´t rule this out but again its very unlikely.
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 19, 2021 20:44:59 GMT
Actually Flemeth DOES have to power of foresight. Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. And the reason she needed Hawke to smuggle her to the Freemarches is because she knew Morrigan intended to try and convince the Warden to Kill her. Something which my Warden never does. Flemeth's foresight was also hinted at during our Warden's first meeting with her, when she makes an offhand comment about Daveth not being important to this story, seemingly aware that he would not survive the Joining.
And she seemed to know (or at least guess) that Hawke had some important destiny in Kirkwall, beyond simply ferrying her locket to Sundermount.
As a believer in destiny, Flemeth would notice how highly improbable their meeting was if not a sign from fate... because otherwise, that would mean she just chose on a whim to save a random family of refugees from darkspawn, who just so happened to be planning to head across the Waking Sea, to the exact place her locket needed to be delivered too?
That wasn't a sign, it was a frigging Bat-Signal. She said "loghain will betray you, each time worse than the last". In exactly what way is never stated. But given what happens in Origins it seems pretty clear. The first betrayal was him developing feelings for Rowan (which were reciprocated) before she was to marry Maric, the second was indirectly causing the death of Katriel by informing Maric that she was a spy and had betrayed him (which while true, wasn't the whole story) and the third was abandoning Maric's son to die at Ostagar.
You're absolutely right. I haven't read the books in years so I was going from memory. But Loghain loving Rowan and his convincing Maric to murder Katriel did occur to me afterwards. However, thank for laying it out. PS. I need to reread those books. I still have them.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jan 20, 2021 1:00:28 GMT
Easy way to get rid of them: They have other shit to do.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 20, 2021 18:01:09 GMT
Flemeth: Watch for the abyss. And when it comes before you, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when we fall that we learn if we can fly. Hawke: Okay, funny hair. A few years later, in the Fade:Hawke: By Andraste's nipples, the witch was right! Now is the moment of truth! [Couldn't fly]
Why do you think they kept asking about learning how to turn into a dragon? Hawke knew it would be useful!
But in seriousness, if you think about it, Flemeth's prophecy did come true.
Hawke and the Inquisitor would have died falling into the Abyssal Rift, but survived by leaping into the Fade.
(Also if you subscribe to the fan theory that Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, this foreshadowing would have worked even better)
Yeah, but I meant coming out of the Fade alive after facing the spider thingy. And it isn't a theory. Cassandra tells us directly that Hawke was the candidate for Inquisitor first.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 20, 2021 18:12:23 GMT
And it isn't a theory. Cassandra tells us directly that Hawke was the candidate for Inquisitor first. Only after they cancelled the Exalted March DLC and so needed an explanation for why Cassandra was looking for them. At the time Flemeth made her prophesy Hawke was not in line for the job. In fact the whole plot would probably have worked out differently as Hawke would have confronted Corypheus in Kirkwall. Also, as I pointed out above, it doesn't fit with her words because Hawke didn't make a leap of faith but the floor just fell out under them and had the Inquisitor not been there with the magic hand, they would have splatted on the rocks below. So they would only discover by going splat that they can't fly (if they didn't know that already). That is the thing with prophesy. It is always easy to match it after the event to things that seem to fit it. After all, everyone thought the PC in DAI was the Herald of Andraste and part of fulfilling Drakon's prophesy but of course that turned out to be nonsense and we weren't a Herald of anything. Flemeth seemed to hint we were a Herald of Change but then she would know what Solas was planning and that if he succeeded there are going to be big changes but that doesn't make it a prophesy, just insider knowledge.
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