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Post by explorerclass on Dec 25, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
Why am I playing 3 games (not to mention 4 books and many comics) that all build up that unity is the best option. Freedom of choice thst only synthesis gives.
Why does all this material tell me that destruction is bad (literally every time destruction is actually *shown* it’s terrible, 9/10 we try to avoid it and the other times it’s a tragedy)
Only for Shepard to destroy everything? It makes no sense from a writing stand point. It’s just ruining the storytelling.
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Post by traks on Dec 25, 2020 11:19:08 GMT
Freedom of choice, after synthesis was forced on every living being without their consent? Sure, that sounds about right. Lol.
But anyways, I wouldn't overreact to a teaser trailer showing some history of ME.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 25, 2020 11:32:43 GMT
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Post by Polka Dot on Dec 25, 2020 15:42:52 GMT
A couple of things -
1) We don't know that they are canonizing destroy.
2) If they do canonize anything, it will not completely ruin ME1-3, though it will invalidate some playthroughs.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 25, 2020 15:56:07 GMT
What material tells you that destruction is bad? Destruction is 100% pure awesome. Reapers dead, Geth gone, any other AI gone. True freedom where you can move on as societies to make your own choices. Thats three dots and a dash time.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 25, 2020 15:59:34 GMT
Freedom of choice, after synthesis was forced on every living being without their consent? Sure, that sounds about right. Lol. But anyways, I wouldn't overreact to a teaser trailer showing some history of ME. And now, people have way more opportunities and options, and you know. You didn’t literally force death on hundreds of thousands
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 25, 2020 16:00:48 GMT
What material tells you that destruction is bad? Destruction is 100% pure awesome. Reapers dead, Geth gone, any other AI gone. True freedom where you can move on as societies to make your own choices. Thats three dots and a dash time. Eden prime, Arrival, Tutchanka missions, pretty much all of ME. The only possible exception is the collectors base
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Post by ahglock on Dec 25, 2020 16:06:23 GMT
What material tells you that destruction is bad? Destruction is 100% pure awesome. Reapers dead, Geth gone, any other AI gone. True freedom where you can move on as societies to make your own choices. Thats three dots and a dash time. Eden prime, Arrival, Tutchanka missions, pretty much all of ME. The only possible exception is the collectors base You mean Eden Prime, fuck those cerberus dudes we should destroy them and through their destruction save the last prothean where we learn more about the reapers and get a more personal account on why we should destroy them. Arrival, sweet we destroyed a relay and bought time. Tuchanka missions, these Krogan suck ass its a great thing I destroyed the cure. But hey if you like synthesis puppet mind control of the star brat have it.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 25, 2020 16:16:49 GMT
I wonder how the Husk, Praetorians etc feel about synthesis.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 25, 2020 17:28:36 GMT
I wonder how the Husk, Praetorians etc feel about synthesis. They think whatever the reaper collective wants them to think.
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Post by Carcharoth on Dec 25, 2020 18:15:56 GMT
Every previous example of "synthesis" was shown as horrific. From husks, project overlord, the human reaper and the cerberus troops in 3. Even Shepherd being rebuilt as a cyborg isn't always a positive thing. And the green wave looked a little too much like galactic scale brainwashing to me, both before and after ec.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 25, 2020 18:23:27 GMT
ah yes, choosing red is bad. We destroy them, or they destroy us.
Green is bad because it works in things favor. It's also the choice that has thing being still around. It also changes dna into a new framework. I like my dna. Good thing my Shepard does as well. That's one of many reasons why she/he shoots the tube.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 25, 2020 19:07:47 GMT
I've only chosen Synthesis accidentally (staggering straight ahead on my first playthrough as I had no idea what just happened and couldn't understand why the Reapers weren't dead yet). Its a vile choice only the most megalomaniac 'I know what's best' types could opt for. Only went for Control once as my AI loving Engineer Shepard was basically unhinged at this point and the thought of being reborn as a machine god really appealed to her. But my canon is destroy. It's the only choice that makes sense in the moment (or with hindsight) given the evidence you have.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 25, 2020 19:43:52 GMT
All the endings are pretty horrific from a "moral" standpoint. Destroy gets a bad rap because the Reapers, Geth, and EDI all die. Meanwhile Synthesis is over here rewriting/recreating all the things, what existed previously is dead and gone. I suppose the Shifty Looking Cow could make a run for a Council position now, so its not all bad. I, For One, Welcome Our New Bovine Overlord! And I almost forgot the slaver choice, do the Batarians proud!
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Post by Vox on Dec 25, 2020 20:20:01 GMT
Destroy is the only one ending that stays true to what Shepard wanted toa accomplish, save the galaxy from the horrible fate of getting reaperized ...
Blue and green can kiss my butt goodbye. Hell, wouldnt mind they even alter red in the legendary edition to have even less downsides and show a laughing, breathing Shepard instead of just her breathing torso ...
One can only hope Bioware is not afraid to rectify the mistakes of ME3, what should have been done 8 years ago already to save the franchise
The only good thing that came from ME3s garbage ending was Ryder and Andromeda, one could say
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 25, 2020 21:44:52 GMT
I have said this for years but if it makes it easier to continue the series I am all for canonization. I have picked all the endings except for refuse in numerous playthroughs and if they are going to continue things in the Milky Way they are going to have to stick with one of the endings to give them a base to build the next game on.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 25, 2020 21:54:21 GMT
People really don’t understand synthesis do they?
There’s no mind control for one.
Secondly, they aren’t understanding narrative or themes.
The story was never about destruction. Kind of weird that this is supposed to be where the fans hang out yet nobody here looked at what the story is about and what anything means
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2020 22:10:11 GMT
Agreed. If they make Shepard canonically a mass murderer of billions by choosing Destroy that ruins the entire trilogy with them.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 25, 2020 22:14:13 GMT
This is why BioWare should never show anything until six months prior to release. We have no idea what they are doing and people are proclaiming what they want to believe.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 22:24:28 GMT
Destroy violates the themes of the trilogy.
Synthesis violates every law of logic comprehensible.
Therefore, I propose the only viable ending is Control, where no one dies, no laws of logic are violated in such a deplorable manner, and I officially declare that the Reapers in the teaser trailer are just chilling.
Literally.
It's a thing they've come to enjoy after the firing of the Crucible.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 25, 2020 22:24:32 GMT
Agreed. If they make Shepard canonically a mass murderer of billions by choosing Destroy that ruins the entire trilogy with them. I know you're referencing the geth, but can you give me one good reason why I would allow them to upload the code instead of letting the quarians finish what they started? Remember, it's because of reaper interference that peace is possible. If the trilogy, or just ME3, were to be remade, I would get rid of that reaper code crap and be able to convince Admiral 'I have an itchy trigger finger' Gerrell to stand down leading to the possibility the geth stop firing. From there, have some sort of agreement until the reapers are dealt with. After that, worry about what might happen if the peace falters.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Dec 25, 2020 22:46:07 GMT
Why am I playing 3 games (not to mention 4 books and many comics) that all build up that unity is the best option. Freedom of choice thst only synthesis gives. Why does all this material tell me that destruction is bad (literally every time destruction is actually *shown* it’s terrible, 9/10 we try to avoid it and the other times it’s a tragedy) Only for Shepard to destroy everything? It makes no sense from a writing stand point. It’s just ruining the storytelling. How do we know they're canonizing destroy ?
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Post by Carcharoth on Dec 25, 2020 22:51:39 GMT
People really don’t understand synthesis do they? I think we understand it just fine. Disliking something isn't a failure to understand it, after all. Unless you're starting with the conclusion that synthesis is "good," and tossing out any viewpoints against it as being wrong for disagreeing. And then everyone stopped fighting and had a "mutual understanding" of each other. Green Utopia was established and every entity became super bff's. Even the Reapers ate marshmallows around the space campfire. Sounds like something that would require mind control to me. Never mind the forced tech upgrades being a colossal violation of your right to self determination. The themes of willing cooperation and self determination that get brought up throughout the series? Or the themes that forced hybridization of biological entities and tech is an abomination? I just played through the trilogy again. Don't recall seeing synthesis viewed positively. The closest you'd get to that was in Andromeda, where they pushed it again with SAM.
You're pushed to destroy the reapers from the beginning. Every ally suggests it. Shepard never considers anything else until the very end. The only other option of control is brought up by an indoctrinated enemy. Disagreement still isn't a failure to understand. We're not a green hive mind, after all. We're allowed to form our own conclusions and disagree with each other. Have you considered that you may be wrong?
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 25, 2020 23:16:53 GMT
I wonder how the Husk, Praetorians etc feel about synthesis. That's for them to decide. If they don't like it, suicide's always an option. Weapons are plentiful.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 25, 2020 23:42:56 GMT
Agreed. If they make Shepard canonically a mass murderer of billions by choosing Destroy that ruins the entire trilogy with them. Shepard commits mass awesomeness in the destroy endings.
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