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Post by traks on Dec 25, 2020 23:43:03 GMT
People really don’t understand synthesis do they? There’s no mind control for one. Secondly, they aren’t understanding narrative or themes. The story was never about destruction. Kind of weird that this is supposed to be where the fans hang out yet nobody here looked at what the story is about and what anything means The story of my Shepard was about stopping the Reapers either by finding a way to destroy them or by finding a way to switch them off. It certainly wasn't about deciding to alter the DNA of every organic and merge them with synthetics. That's not a decision for me to make nor any one person IMO. To be honest, for me the concept of synthesis as it was presented is mumbo jumbo, but I accept that others have different views and all options presented are valid endings. Could you do the same instead of claiming that people that don't agree with you didn't understand the game? That's the worst argument in any Mass Effect discussion. When it comes to a new Mass Effect game, it's not important what your or my Shepard did or what 'the best' ending is, just whether BioWare finds/chooses the best premise for the next story to enable them to develop the best possible game. And you know what: I don't even think there is anything to argue about (yet), because the next threat in the Mass Effect Universe likely has nothing to do with the choice at the end of ME3, but is its own independent story that doesn't care about what Shepard did. Whether that story actually takes place after all endings or just in one of the created parallel universes? I don't know. But I do know, that I'm open to play a game in the world state you or any other player created and don't understand why that seems so hard to other players like you. Why can't there be a great story - in your case - after control or destroy?
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Post by Spectr61 on Dec 26, 2020 1:23:25 GMT
Not destroying those who have committed genocide over and over is absurd.
As is deciding to work with them.
As is becoming one of them.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 26, 2020 1:36:36 GMT
I wonder how the Husk, Praetorians etc feel about synthesis. That's for them to decide. If they don't like it, suicide's always an option. Weapons are plentiful. I imagine family reunions are awkward when Uncle Bob has been husked but still turns up for a pint and a sausgae roll.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 26, 2020 1:41:04 GMT
Since Destroy is by far the most popular option, according to any polling method we've ever come up with, it's difficult to make a case that canonizing it will ruin the trilogy.
FWIW, they can always establish that the geth were destroyed at Rannoch. So while Shepard did destroy a lot of AIs, he doesn't have that on him.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 26, 2020 1:42:39 GMT
That's for them to decide. If they don't like it, suicide's always an option. Weapons are plentiful. I imagine family reunions are awkward when Uncle Bob has been husked but still turns up for a pint and a sausgae roll. As long as he doesn't let off one of those energy burst things in the middle of dinner, I'd be OK with it. We all have a couple of ugly relatives, right?
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Post by ahglock on Dec 26, 2020 1:55:31 GMT
That's for them to decide. If they don't like it, suicide's always an option. Weapons are plentiful. I imagine family reunions are awkward when Uncle Bob has been husked but still turns up for a pint and a sausgae roll. Husks didn't really show up in the all it utopia slideshow did they. Shoved aside and forgotten.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 26, 2020 5:06:51 GMT
Not destroying those who have committed genocide over and over is absurd. As is deciding to work with them. As is becoming one of them. So you choose to commit genocide yourself. Multiple genocides even. Synthesis isn’t becoming a reaper. Working with people for a greater outcome is vital to ME’s world. People do it constantly.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 26, 2020 5:15:39 GMT
Since Destroy is by far the most popular option, according to any polling method we've ever come up with, it's difficult to make a case that canonizing it will ruin the trilogy. FWIW, they can always establish that the geth were destroyed at Rannoch. So while Shepard did destroy a lot of AIs, he doesn't have that on him. it’s actually not ‘by far’ the most popular. It leads, sure. But not by a really wide margin. And even then, it’s worth remembering the writers have said they chose synthesis, synthesis is coded as the best ending. With the fact that the ending is the hardest to achieve, as destroy can also have the lowest EMS, it tracks that they’d continue the synthesis storyline. Of course with some tweaks if needed, or further explanation which was clearly required.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 26, 2020 6:00:09 GMT
That's for them to decide. If they don't like it, suicide's always an option. Weapons are plentiful. I imagine family reunions are awkward when Uncle Bob has been husked but still turns up for a pint and a sausgae roll. Haha. Reminds me of a joke from da old BSN. When an old war vets grandkid brings home a new Husk boyfriend. Anyway, if the Synthesis ending is canon, I want to romance a Reaper. "I know you feel this!"
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 26, 2020 6:21:52 GMT
I imagine family reunions are awkward when Uncle Bob has been husked but still turns up for a pint and a sausgae roll. Haha. Reminds me of a joke from da old BSN. When an old war vets grandkid brings home a new Husk boyfriend. Anyway, if the Synthesis ending is canon, I want to romance a Reaper. "I know you feel this!" LOL! I feel the same way, Mom, Dad I want introduce my boyfriend husk, don't you think its cute since I have no idea if its male or female
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Post by ahglock on Dec 26, 2020 7:26:17 GMT
Not destroying those who have committed genocide over and over is absurd. As is deciding to work with them. As is becoming one of them. So you choose to commit genocide yourself. Multiple genocides even. Synthesis isn’t becoming a reaper. Working with people for a greater outcome is vital to ME’s world. People do it constantly. Sythesis is being overwritten so you work together, not coming together for a greater outcome.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 26, 2020 7:28:59 GMT
Imagine being a survivor of a zombie apocalypse only to be forced to become, through someone else's decision, not yours, a partly rotting half-corpse yourself just so the still existing zombies like you better. That's what synthesis is, just with more green light.
No one in their right mind would shed a tear for the reapers. Those things clearly aren't sentients, they are machines that can only follow the same program cycle after cycle after cycle. Doesn't matter what arrogant audio files they play while doing it.
The geth are a very regrettable loss, but I consider them being taken hostage by the writers, because without this forced drama, the red ending would have been an utter and complete no-brainer.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 26, 2020 12:41:19 GMT
It's funny in the green how the guy and the husk appear to look at each other like they know each other.
Husk: Bob. BOB!! It's me, John Husker. I was your best man at your wedding. guy: John? Wedding? husk: Yeah. I'll tell you what. There's a tavern around the corner. We can catch up with the past over a few pints. guy: Yeah. Sure. I could use a drink or ten.
One thing to notice is after the green wave passes, none of the soldiers are cheering whereas with the blue and red, they are. Apparently they knew the green was bad. If ems is below 2000, those soldiers will not be cheering.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 26, 2020 13:05:01 GMT
Nice troll OP, 1/10.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 26, 2020 18:09:44 GMT
The geth are a very regrettable loss, but I consider them being taken hostage by the writers, because without this forced drama, the red ending would have been an utter and complete no-brainer. Yeah, theres a level of awareness there from the writers that Destroy was simply too obvious and appealing so they had to handicap it in a way they didn't for Control and Synthesis. Which doesn't speak well for the writing.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 18:18:34 GMT
People really don’t understand synthesis do they? There’s no mind control for one. Secondly, they aren’t understanding narrative or themes. The story was never about destruction. Kind of weird that this is supposed to be where the fans hang out yet nobody here looked at what the story is about and what anything means Oh, there were supporters of Control and Synthesis back in the day, as well as plenty of IT supporters. Most of them have stopped having arguments about the relative merits of the choices because they explained their positions 8 years ago. At this point no one is changing their minds, so there's little point in hashing it out again.
All of the choices are pretty repugnant when you get down to it: genocide, slavery, and forced eugenics are not very heroic outcomes.
You're not alone, I do feel Destroy repudiates the themes of the trilogy and makes Shepard a dupe of the Reapers (though I don't share your enthusiasm for Synthesis), but it's an interesting jumping off point for a new story. Consider it an exploration of an alternate universe if you like.
I'm convinced Bioware is going to bring back the Geth in a "See? No harm, no foul" situation to mollify those of us who don't want to have wiped them out. Whether or not they canonize Destroy is still up in the air. It seem probable, but it's not the only possibility.
Not to be condescending, but you'd probably get more discussion if you explained what Synthesis means to you, rather than insinuating people around here are too stupid to understand it. Their understanding of it is obviously different from yours, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 26, 2020 18:23:29 GMT
it’s actually not ‘by far’ the most popular. It leads, sure. But not by a really wide margin. And even then, it’s worth remembering the writers have said they chose synthesis, synthesis is coded as the best ending. With the fact that the ending is the hardest to achieve, as destroy can also have the lowest EMS, it tracks that they’d continue the synthesis storyline. Of course with some tweaks if needed, or further explanation which was clearly required Keeping in mind that the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies are on a collision course, what happens with the Synthesis ending, when they merge with each other? We know for a fact that the Andromeda galaxy was not hit by the synthesis ray, or hasn't been hit yet. Which even so, makes the Andromeda galaxy viable for a very limited time longer.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 26, 2020 18:32:50 GMT
Let’s face it: the endings kind of ruined ME1-3 a bit anyway. At this point, I’m just hoping that BioWare’s taking a more personal approach to a narrative, granting us the ability to affect the lives around our character without shaking the very core of the galaxy by facing off yet another existential threat. Heck I would’t mind just facing off against the STG, or maybe whatever hierarchy exists in the asari, or something scaled back that works more on our level.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 26, 2020 18:37:08 GMT
Imagine being a survivor of a zombie apocalypse only to be forced to become, through someone else's decision, not yours, a partly rotting half-corpse yourself just so the still existing zombies like you better. That's what synthesis is, just with more green light. No one in their right mind would shed a tear for the reapers. Those things clearly aren't sentients, they are machines that can only follow the same program cycle after cycle after cycle. Doesn't matter what arrogant audio files they play while doing it. The geth are a very regrettable loss, but I consider them being taken hostage by the writers, because without this forced drama, the red ending would have been an utter and complete no-brainer. This is why I thought it was hilarious when people brought up the subject of genocide regarding the reapers. Not even Plastic Man would bother to reach this far. As for the geth, well, they’re only a regrettable loss they survived to see the final battle
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 26, 2020 19:43:27 GMT
No one in their right mind would shed a tear for the reapers. Those things clearly aren't sentients, they are machines that can only follow the same program cycle after cycle after cycle. Doesn't matter what arrogant audio files they play while doing it. I'm pretty sure Sovereign could pass a Turing test. He'd come across as some kind of religious fanatic, but that's not enough to be declared non-sapient, last I checked. The deaths of Reapers should count the same way Benezia's did. They're just indoctrinated stooges, like her.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 26, 2020 19:45:43 GMT
The geth are a very regrettable loss, but I consider them being taken hostage by the writers, because without this forced drama, the red ending would have been an utter and complete no-brainer. Yeah, theres a level of awareness there from the writers that Destroy was simply too obvious and appealing so they had to handicap it in a way they didn't for Control and Synthesis. Which doesn't speak well for the writing. This is the main reason why the entire end scenario is such a colossal failure. Even if the dialogue wants to coax us into thinking more about the eons-long conflict that motivates the reapers, the game in its entirety just grants far too much freedom to actively oppose that up ‘til this point. Conflict with synthetics is inevitable? Fuck you, we just managed to get the quarians to kiss and make up with the geth. EDI becomes Joker’s cyberwaifu, and thus robosexuality is born. How am I supposed to think about the inevitable conflict, when all of our characters are all so eager to come to some kind of understanding? If BioWare really wanted to sell us on the inevitability of the synthetic conflict, there should have been some level of failure throughout the story to drive that home. Make peace with the geth impossible, and EDI, in spite of it all, exceeding our organic characters’ thought processes to the point where she often fails to relate to their way of thinking, perhaps to the point of there being growing tension. But they wanted to have their cake and eat it too instead.
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Post by kalreegar on Dec 26, 2020 19:49:38 GMT
They will not canonize destroy. No way. They will retcon Me3 ending
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Post by griffith82 on Dec 26, 2020 20:08:57 GMT
They will not canonize destroy. No way. They will retcon Me3 ending Imo they better not do either one of those.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 26, 2020 20:11:22 GMT
This is the main reason why the entire end scenario is such a colossal failure. Even if the dialogue wants to coax us into thinking more about the eons-long conflict that motivates the reapers, the game in its entirety just grants far too much freedom to actively oppose that up ‘til this point. Conflict with synthetics is inevitable? Fuck you, we just managed to get the quarians to kiss and make up with the geth. EDI becomes Joker’s cyberwaifu, and thus robosexuality is born. How am I supposed to think about the inevitable conflict, when all of our characters are all so eager to come to some kind of understanding? If BioWare really wanted to sell us on the inevitability of the synthetic conflict, there should have been some level of failure throughout the story to drive that home. Make peace with the geth impossible, and EDI, in spite of it all, exceeding our organic characters’ thought processes to the point where she often fails to relate to their way of thinking, perhaps to the point of there being growing tension. But they wanted to have their cake and eat it too instead. Which speaks to a lack of control that raised its head again later in Andromeda and Anthem. They had to cobble together an ending literally at the end, rather than have an ending planned and develop the story towards it. That's a pretty shocking lack of planning. And also, Casey was in charge.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 26, 2020 20:12:02 GMT
They will not canonize destroy. No way. They will retcon Me3 ending Imo they better not do either one of those. Probably going to do both.
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