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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 20:12:31 GMT
They will not canonize destroy. No way. They will retcon Me3 ending Imo they better not do either one of those. They're in a difficult position and need to do something. What would you suggest?
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Post by griffith82 on Dec 26, 2020 20:17:21 GMT
Imo they better not do either one of those. They're in a difficult position and need to do something. What would you suggest? Not ignoring player choice for one. And rewriting the ending invalidates the whole series. So I doubt they'll do that. If the canonized destroy it would invalidate many of my Shepard's choices.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 26, 2020 20:21:51 GMT
They will not canonize destroy. No way. They will retcon Me3 ending Imo they better not do either one of those. I mean, this is really just a given though. It’s impossible to account for all endings, and the setting needs to be set in such a way that it’s viable for a new story to take place. After the Andromeda debacle, it’s clear now that BioWare has just decided to bite the bullet on this one and take a more direct approach to how to move forward. I fully expect to be totally wrong about this, but I have a feeling that the Legendary Edition might play a role in this attempt to move forward.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 26, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
They're in a difficult position and need to do something. What would you suggest? Not ignoring player choice for one. And rewriting the ending invalidates the whole series. So I doubt they'll do that. If the canonized destroy it would invalidate many of my Shepard's choices.
I think it would be fun to have 4 different games, to explore the outcome of each ending, but that won't happen.
How do you propose they make a single game which honors every ending choice? The galaxy is in a very different state after each of the endings.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 26, 2020 20:39:35 GMT
Even if the dialogue wants to coax us into thinking more about the eons-long conflict that motivates the reapers, the game in its entirety just grants far too much freedom to actively oppose that up ‘til this point. Yeah, it ends up just looking like one big case of garbage in, garbage out. So the Catalyst's an idiot, the Reapers are dupes, and Shepard can do whatever she pleases. Especially easy since so many Bio villains have proven to be self-deluded. All the way back to Sarevok, who was pretty much wrong about everything.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 26, 2020 21:17:14 GMT
Probably going to do both. That's a step in the right direction.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 26, 2020 23:56:36 GMT
Imo they better not do either one of those. I mean, this is really just a given though. It’s impossible to account for all endings, and the setting needs to be set in such a way that it’s viable for a new story to take place. After the Andromeda debacle, it’s clear now that BioWare has just decided to bite the bullet on this one and take a more direct approach to how to move forward. I fully expect to be totally wrong about this, but I have a feeling that the Legendary Edition might play a role in this attempt to move forward. Last things first: I think there's a tiny chance the Remaster may grant us an option to export an old savegame to ME5. Maybe. It's a tiny chance, nothing more.
Andromeda didn't fail because of a different setting other than the Milky Way. In fact, Andromeda could have worked if the team had put more emphasis on well written characters and an interesting, dangerous villain. I accepted Shepard's story was told and unless someone is going to write a decent continuation fanfic, no one will ever touch Shepard again anymore. And I doubt ME5 will have anything to do with Shep'n'Co too, except the long-living members of his/her crew, like Liara. I wasn't disappointed from Andromeda due the lack of Shepard, but the lack of any interesting character and even the storyline didn't do the trick for me.
I can't say a "canon destruction ending" will ruin ME5 for me - since my playthroughs always end with "Destruction". However, I can feel with the fans who picked another ending by pondering how I'd feel if Bioware sets up a canon LI. Dunno if Bioware is full aware the ol' fans of the series are still around and expect their decisions to be respected in the next Mass Effect - and I can remember all the fights over certain LIs all too good.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 27, 2020 0:13:04 GMT
Last things first: I think there's a tiny chance the Remaster may grant us an option to export an old savegame to ME5. Maybe. It's a tiny chance, nothing more. ME5 might not even make the console gen. I find it highly unlikely. Andromeda didn't fail because of a different setting other than the Milky Way. In fact, Andromeda could have worked if the team had put more emphasis on well written characters and an interesting, dangerous villain. I accepted Shepard's story was told and unless someone is going to write a decent continuation fanfic, no one will ever touch Shepard again anymore. And I doubt ME5 will have anything to do with Shep'n'Co too, except the long-living members of his/her crew, like Liara. I wasn't disappointed from Andromeda due the lack of Shepard, but the lack of any interesting character and even the storyline didn't do the trick for me.
I can't say a "canon destruction ending" will ruin ME5 for me - since my playthroughs always end with "Destruction". However, I can feel with the fans who picked another ending by pondering how I'd feel if Bioware sets up a canon LI. Dunno if Bioware is full aware the ol' fans of the series are still around and expect their decisions to be respected in the next Mass Effect - and I can remember all the fights over certain LIs all too good Andromeda wasn't going to succeed regardless, but it could have, at least, been a well received game, which it wasn't. Considering the amount of time passed since the last time ME was good, people want a guaranteed good time. A new crew and protagonist is not a guarantee. Which is why people won't show up for ME5. Which is why Liara's teaser trailer got such a good reception from the public. And also why the public run away with the "Shepard and co. are back" narrative. Because that's what they want to see in the next game. As far as the choices go, the only ones that matter are surviving crew and LIs. Nobody's going to care for anything more than those. Bioware, if they want, can even say that Shepard didn't work well with the other LIs, after the endings. They broke up down the line and they just got together with Liara. There, our choice of LI mattered. Just as much as all our other choices mattered in ME3.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 27, 2020 0:32:36 GMT
Last things first: I think there's a tiny chance the Remaster may grant us an option to export an old savegame to ME5. Maybe. It's a tiny chance, nothing more. ME5 might not even make the console gen. I find it highly unlikely. Andromeda didn't fail because of a different setting other than the Milky Way. In fact, Andromeda could have worked if the team had put more emphasis on well written characters and an interesting, dangerous villain. I accepted Shepard's story was told and unless someone is going to write a decent continuation fanfic, no one will ever touch Shepard again anymore. And I doubt ME5 will have anything to do with Shep'n'Co too, except the long-living members of his/her crew, like Liara. I wasn't disappointed from Andromeda due the lack of Shepard, but the lack of any interesting character and even the storyline didn't do the trick for me.
I can't say a "canon destruction ending" will ruin ME5 for me - since my playthroughs always end with "Destruction". However, I can feel with the fans who picked another ending by pondering how I'd feel if Bioware sets up a canon LI. Dunno if Bioware is full aware the ol' fans of the series are still around and expect their decisions to be respected in the next Mass Effect - and I can remember all the fights over certain LIs all too good Andromeda wasn't going to succeed regardless, but it could have, at least, been a well received game, which it wasn't. Considering the amount of time passed since the last time ME was good, people want a guaranteed good time. A new crew and protagonist is not a guarantee. Which is why people won't show up for ME5. Which is why Liara's teaser trailer got such a good reception from the public. And also why the public run away with the "Shepard and co. are back" narrative. Because that's what they want to see in the next game. As far as the choices go, the only ones that matter are surviving crew and LIs. Nobody's going to care for anything more than those. Bioware, if they want, can even say that Shepard didn't work well with the other LIs, after the endings. They broke up down the line and they just got together with Liara. There, our choice of LI mattered. Just as much as all our other choices mattered in ME3. Sure, they can do that, they're making the game after all. Doesn't mean people will like it.
But why do we even need an excuse why Shep ended with Liara? The Liara shown in the teaser trailer looks somewhat older, which is why I believe ME5 is set in a more distant future, maybe 300 - 400 years (or more) after the Reaper War. Shepard and most of his/her crew will be dead by that point and only a few like Grunt oder Liara and maybe Wrex and Samara are there to tell their story. Liara might be the "second love" for Shepard, if s/he lives much longer than the original LI. Why should Shep stay alone for decades?
Thane: died already in the trilogy. I'm sure he's okay with Shepard moving on. Ashley/Kaidan/Cortez/Traynor/... are in their prime and have a life expectancy of 140 - 150 years. Shepard may live much longer due extensive cybernetics. Garrus and Tali won't live much longer than standard humans and there's also no offspring possible. So if Shepard ever want to have children and hat Garrus/Tali as LI, s/he may go after Liara later ...
Miranda is one exception and actually the only one that may kill the idea: she'll live well beyond 200 years - and may even outlive Shepard.
Of couse, Bioware doesn't need to produce a good excuse to make Shepard and Liara the canon couple. It's just a move a lot of people will accept. While Liara as LI is very popular, other LIs also have a very strong fandom. I just happen to belong to a smaller group (Ashley) among 'em. If I remember correctly, Tali/Garrus-fans were very massive in numbers.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 27, 2020 0:40:21 GMT
Sure, they can do that, they're making the game after all. Doesn't mean people will like it.
But why do we even need an excuse why Shep ended with Liara? The Liara shown in the teaser trailer looks somewhat older, which is why I believe ME5 is set in a more distant future, maybe 300 - 400 years (or more) after the Reaper War. Shepard and most of his/her crew will be dead by that point and only a few like Grunt oder Liara and maybe Wrex and Samara are there to tell their story. Liara might be the "second love" for Shepard, if s/he lives much longer than the original LI. Why should Shep stay alone for decades?
Thane: died already in the trilogy. I'm sure he's okay with Shepard moving on. Ashley/Kaidan/Cortez/Traynor/... are in their prime and have a life expectancy of 140 - 150 years. Shepard may live much longer due extensive cybernetics. Garrus and Tali won't live much longer than standard humans and there's also no offspring possible. So if Shepard ever want to have children and hat Garrus/Tali as LI, s/he may go after Liara later ...
Miranda is one exception and actually the only one that may kill the idea: she'll live well beyond 200 years - and may even outlive Shepard.
Of couse, Bioware doesn't need to produce a good excuse to make Shepard and Liara the canon couple. It's just a move a lot of people will accept. While Liara as LI is very popular, other LIs also have a very strong fandom. I just happen to belong to a smaller group (Ashley) among 'em. If I remember correctly, Tali/Garrus-fans were very massive in numbers. I understand people won't like it. I won't either. I have the second least popular LI on the list. Well, not second, but she's down there. And if Bioware is going to go out of the ME3 data, no romance from ME2 mattered, unless it was Tali or Garrus. You couldn't even start a romance with Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob or Kelly. So Bioware can absolutely feel vindicated in their handwaving of the romances and say "Shepard ended up with Liara regardless". And fuck everyone else. It won't be the first time they handwave a decision away.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 27, 2020 0:54:46 GMT
I understand people won't like it. I won't either. I have the second least popular LI on the list. Well, not second, but she's down there. And if Bioware is going to go out of the ME3 data, no romance from ME2 mattered, unless it was Tali or Garrus. You couldn't even start a romance with Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob or Kelly. So Bioware can absolutely feel vindicated in their handwaving of the romances and say "Shepard ended up with Liara regardless". And fuck everyone else. It won't be the first time they handwave a decision away. My guess: your LI is Jack?
I still feel bad for how Bioware handled most of the LIs from ME2. With exception of Garrus and Tali, they all got the short end of the stick, wit Jacob getting the worst of it. Miranda & Jack didn't break up at least, but there's no additional interaction with them. For extra salt: breaking up with Miranda means she's gonna be killed. So if you wanna save Miranda after romancing her, you need to stick with her despite no additional screentime, no dialogue or anything. Normally those LIs didn't get my attention that much, I just understand how their fans felt.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 27, 2020 0:59:39 GMT
My guess: your LI is Jack?
I still feel bad for how Bioware handled most of the LIs from ME2. With exception of Garrus and Tali, they all got the short end of the stick, wit Jacob getting the worst of it. Miranda & Jack didn't break up at least, but there's no additional interaction with them. For extra salt: breaking up with Miranda means she's gonna be killed. So if you wanna save Miranda after romancing her, you need to stick with her despite no additional screentime, no dialogue or anything. Normally those LIs didn't get my attention that much, I just understand how their fans felt. The thing is, I don't believe Bioware feels bad about it. They don't give two fucks about what anyone that didn't romance Liara thinks, at this point. We're baggage. And if we could all get off their back, they'd be all the merrier. They perceive us as the problem. We've had stories about it, how they view the fanbase internally, especially with the reaction to Anthem. Not to mention how entitled we were with the ME3 debacle. So this is all entirely up Bioware's alley. And they're free to come in here and tell me I'm wrong, if I am wrong. But they won't. Because I'm not.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 27, 2020 1:07:58 GMT
Sure, they can do that, they're making the game after all. Doesn't mean people will like it.
But why do we even need an excuse why Shep ended with Liara? The Liara shown in the teaser trailer looks somewhat older, which is why I believe ME5 is set in a more distant future, maybe 300 - 400 years (or more) after the Reaper War. Shepard and most of his/her crew will be dead by that point and only a few like Grunt oder Liara and maybe Wrex and Samara are there to tell their story. Liara might be the "second love" for Shepard, if s/he lives much longer than the original LI. Why should Shep stay alone for decades?
Thane: died already in the trilogy. I'm sure he's okay with Shepard moving on. Ashley/Kaidan/Cortez/Traynor/... are in their prime and have a life expectancy of 140 - 150 years. Shepard may live much longer due extensive cybernetics. Garrus and Tali won't live much longer than standard humans and there's also no offspring possible. So if Shepard ever want to have children and hat Garrus/Tali as LI, s/he may go after Liara later ...
Miranda is one exception and actually the only one that may kill the idea: she'll live well beyond 200 years - and may even outlive Shepard.
Of couse, Bioware doesn't need to produce a good excuse to make Shepard and Liara the canon couple. It's just a move a lot of people will accept. While Liara as LI is very popular, other LIs also have a very strong fandom. I just happen to belong to a smaller group (Ashley) among 'em. If I remember correctly, Tali/Garrus-fans were very massive in numbers. I understand people won't like it. I won't either. I have the second least popular LI on the list. Well, not second, but she's down there. And if Bioware is going to go out of the ME3 data, no romance from ME2 mattered, unless it was Tali or Garrus. You couldn't even start a romance with Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob or Kelly. So Bioware can absolutely feel vindicated in their handwaving of the romances and say "Shepard ended up with Liara regardless". And fuck everyone else. It won't be the first time they handwave a decision away. then I would love it if Shepard become Reaper Sleeper Agent with Liara if that happen.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 27, 2020 1:21:47 GMT
My guess: your LI is Jack?
I still feel bad for how Bioware handled most of the LIs from ME2. With exception of Garrus and Tali, they all got the short end of the stick, wit Jacob getting the worst of it. Miranda & Jack didn't break up at least, but there's no additional interaction with them. For extra salt: breaking up with Miranda means she's gonna be killed. So if you wanna save Miranda after romancing her, you need to stick with her despite no additional screentime, no dialogue or anything. Normally those LIs didn't get my attention that much, I just understand how their fans felt. The thing is, I don't believe Bioware feels bad about it. They don't give two fucks about what anyone that didn't romance Liara thinks, at this point. We're baggage. How much "baggage" is there? What percentage of players who played more than once never romanced Liara? We already know she's got a strong lead among the one-and-dones. Bio knows what we actually do. They don't have to listen to what we say we do.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 27, 2020 1:33:01 GMT
A couple of things - 1) We don't know that they are canonizing destroy. 2) If they do canonize anything, it will not completely ruin ME1-3, though it will invalidate some playthroughs. No play thoughts will be invalidated.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 27, 2020 1:34:38 GMT
How much "baggage" is there? What percentage of players who played more than once never romanced Liara? We already know she's got a strong lead among the one-and-dones. Bio knows what we actually do. They don't have to listen to what we say we do. Exactly. Fuck us.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 27, 2020 2:02:42 GMT
How much "baggage" is there? What percentage of players who played more than once never romanced Liara? We already know she's got a strong lead among the one-and-dones. Bio knows what we actually do. They don't have to listen to what we say we do. Exactly. Fuck us. Well, the fraction of us who have some issue with Liara, yeah. Sucks to be in the minority sometimes.
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Post by griffith82 on Dec 27, 2020 3:01:26 GMT
Not ignoring player choice for one. And rewriting the ending invalidates the whole series. So I doubt they'll do that. If the canonized destroy it would invalidate many of my Shepard's choices.
I think it would be fun to have 4 different games, to explore the outcome of each ending, but that won't happen.
How do you propose they make a single game which honors every ending choice? The galaxy is in a very different state after each of the endings. Easy. Ignore the OT and focus on Andromeda.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 27, 2020 3:03:26 GMT
I think it would be fun to have 4 different games, to explore the outcome of each ending, but that won't happen.
How do you propose they make a single game which honors every ending choice? The galaxy is in a very different state after each of the endings. Easy. Ignore the OT and focus on Andromeda. So Ignore the Andromeda and Focus on OT
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Post by cptdata on Dec 27, 2020 3:38:06 GMT
Well, the fraction of us who have some issue with Liara, yeah. Sucks to be in the minority sometimes. After all these years we're still fighting over LIs ... I wonder if all the ol' stuff comes back once the Remaster is a thing. I simply enjoyed most of the li'll fights and debates back then.
Good ol' times.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 27, 2020 3:54:10 GMT
If they did canonize "destroy", I'd be pissed. The AI characters are among the more interesting (not that that's saying much). I don't give a shit about most of the fleshbag characters, I'd happily blast all the Quarians out of the airlock before I let Tali so much as scratch Legion's casing. And I don't buy for even one second the argument that "Synthesis" is some sort of sinister mind-control, especially not in the case of the Reapers, seeing as how Leviathan shows that they were just poorly programmed robots and never true AI in the first place. I also have no time for anyone who would rather commit literal genocide than "mass rape", as anti-Synthesis folks like to call it.
I'm also not remotely concerned by the contents of the trailer. In typical BioWare tradition, I'm sure it was produced only to generate hype and to try to stay relevant, not to tell us anything remotely useful about what will actually happen in Mass Effect at all.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 27, 2020 8:09:31 GMT
I can’t stand people who call synthesis rape.
That’s a serious issue, whereas synthesis simply Cures disease and does next to nothing to your body and literally nothing to your mind. It’s absolutely disgusting. People playing on others trauma and serious experience to try to seem more credible.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 27, 2020 8:12:39 GMT
People really don’t understand synthesis do they? There’s no mind control for one. Secondly, they aren’t understanding narrative or themes. The story was never about destruction. Kind of weird that this is supposed to be where the fans hang out yet nobody here looked at what the story is about and what anything means Oh, there were supporters of Control and Synthesis back in the day, as well as plenty of IT supporters. Most of them have stopped having arguments about the relative merits of the choices because they explained their positions 8 years ago. At this point no one is changing their minds, so there's little point in hashing it out again.
All of the choices are pretty repugnant when you get down to it: genocide, slavery, and forced eugenics are not very heroic outcomes.
You're not alone, I do feel Destroy repudiates the themes of the trilogy and makes Shepard a dupe of the Reapers (though I don't share your enthusiasm for Synthesis), but it's an interesting jumping off point for a new story. Consider it an exploration of an alternate universe if you like.
I'm convinced Bioware is going to bring back the Geth in a "See? No harm, no foul" situation to mollify those of us who don't want to have wiped them out. Whether or not they canonize Destroy is still up in the air. It seem probable, but it's not the only possibility.
Not to be condescending, but you'd probably get more discussion if you explained what Synthesis means to you, rather than insinuating people around here are too stupid to understand it. Their understanding of it is obviously different from yours, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.
The issue with that is there is harm. Even if the survivors find a way to revive the Geth (which goes against the point of ME as the Geth are unique beings not just data that can be restored); Shepard agreed to commit genocide not knowing they could come back. It makes him a monster; and him even deciding it betrays the purpose of ME. As for the the argument; the thing is, I’m not saying synthesis is objectively the best. I’m saying that *narratively* as in the storyline and themes of ME point toward synthesis. And people don’t have to like synthesis, but it is an objective fact that ME as a narrative leads to synthesis. The fact that we have choice in an RPG is another topic.
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 27, 2020 8:13:29 GMT
it’s actually not ‘by far’ the most popular. It leads, sure. But not by a really wide margin. And even then, it’s worth remembering the writers have said they chose synthesis, synthesis is coded as the best ending. With the fact that the ending is the hardest to achieve, as destroy can also have the lowest EMS, it tracks that they’d continue the synthesis storyline. Of course with some tweaks if needed, or further explanation which was clearly required Keeping in mind that the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies are on a collision course, what happens with the Synthesis ending, when they merge with each other? We know for a fact that the Andromeda galaxy was not hit by the synthesis ray, or hasn't been hit yet. Which even so, makes the Andromeda galaxy viable for a very limited time longer. Who knows. What happens with the reapers in synthesis who don’t like organics? These questions are the price of freedom. It’s scary and filled with unknowns.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 27, 2020 8:24:48 GMT
Who knows. What happens with the reapers in synthesis who don’t like organics? These questions are the price of freedom. It’s scary and filled with unknowns. I doubt we had the Reaper War in ME3, so that we can repeat the Reaper War again, in Andromeda. I mean, it may be the plan, but it's a dumb plan.
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