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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 21, 2021 21:57:08 GMT
After the reaper war the galaxy is in a sorry state and will likely be ripe for power hungry people to take advantage if they kept some part of their military or the Levithans. The trailer could be showing them looking for shepard and they find him just before ME5 starts. Shepard would be a unifying force in the galaxy and also a familiar face that fans of the ME universe like and a good excuse to bring back the old crew. We don't need an enemy on the scale of the reapers anymore as the galaxies forces have been destroyed and so is the vast majority of the infrastructure of the galaxy and population. So while the levitheans for example aren't on the level of the reapers they don't have to fight the same forces the reapers did.
Or even a new species who hasn't been discovered yet and are a very aggressive species. Remember only one percent of the galaxy had been explored and if they are fresh they could easily take on everyone else who would have a hard time even building ships at this point. Or they could divide and conqueror using smaller species that felt slighted by the rest of the galaxy and some that are newly discovered like how the salarians used krogan against the rachni.
So shepard and some of the old crew come back for one last game. I admit I had been hoping for something like this for awhile but the fact they seem to hint at bringing shepard back makes me think it might happen.
Also to those saying Liara looks older, the trailer was different graphics then the old game so maybe it just looked that way or maybe your right. I am just throwing that out there.
Thoughts?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 18:56:17 GMT
That would be extremely nice to see. So I have to doubt we'd get any of it. Bioware are simply not in the business of making nice with their fanbase anymore.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 22, 2021 20:35:24 GMT
I dont see them having a full game, if they come back. More of a big happy epilogue, unless they are gonna have bigger screentime but i don't know.They might try to please both the ot/andromeda fans with a crossover. It's highly unlikely though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 21:32:53 GMT
I dont see them having a full game, if they come back. You can bet that Liara will be returning in increasingly greater degree, per game, until the public accepts Bioware's new offerings. But anyone other than Liara is gone.
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Post by Radec on Jan 22, 2021 22:05:18 GMT
I dont see them having a full game, if they come back. You can bet that Liara will be returning in increasingly greater degree, per game, until the public accepts Bioware's new offerings. But anyone other than Liara is gone. ME1: Liara ninjamance even if you pick someone else ME2: Liara DLC ME3: Liara the immortal canon waifu MEA: Liara only trilogy character appearance ME5: Liara, The Game
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 22, 2021 22:13:31 GMT
This ... is the entire point of it. We're going to be building Liara up even more. And I'm not going to tell Bioware not to do that with her, its their character, but other characters did exist in this franchise. Some where very screwed over. Would be nice if they did something with them. And I understand they made the Citadel DLC for that reason, but: -I will never buy the Citadel DLC -I will not buy the remaster for the Citadel DLC -I will not play the Citadel DLC because it is some of the worst content I've seen -And it compensates for nothing. So Bioware, keep making Liara games alone.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 24, 2021 21:24:51 GMT
This ... is the entire point of it. We're going to be building Liara up even more. And I'm not going to tell Bioware not to do that with her, its their character, but other characters did exist in this franchise. Some where very screwed over. Would be nice if they did something with them. And I understand they made the Citadel DLC for that reason, but: -I will never buy the Citadel DLC -I will not buy the remaster for the Citadel DLC -I will not play the Citadel DLC because it is some of the worst content I've seen -And it compensates for nothing. So Bioware, keep making Liara games alone. Are you being serious? Okay, granted....When the Devs started the whole OT they obviously had Liara in mind as the predominant LI, you could definitely tell that from much of the promotional material and other Dev content, sure. I'll give you that......But if you don't or haven't bought the Citadel DLC simply because you think it is going to be heavily biased in favour of showcasing Liara over anyone else.....you're missing out on the best DLC in any Bioware game-- better even that Trespasser for Inquisition. Don't get me wrong I loved Inquisition and all of the DLC especially Trespasser....But between the two franchises, I have always been an ME fan more than DA, and Citadel has just some of the great character moments and best dialogue between multiple characters. And Jack really has a chance to shine; her ark between 2, 3 and the Citadel is really, really good....and I for one, am just disappointed that there wasn't more of Jack especially in 3. So it's not 500% about Liara, and if you think that I would respectfully suggest you are mistaken, and that maybe you could try to replay through the OT with another LI character such as Ashley, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Miranda or-- heck, even Traynor. Even Traynor may have just been a new addition for the final installment but she is absolutely hilarious...and adorable in her own ways.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 24, 2021 21:37:45 GMT
This ... is the entire point of it. We're going to be building Liara up even more. And I'm not going to tell Bioware not to do that with her, its their character, but other characters did exist in this franchise. Some where very screwed over. Would be nice if they did something with them. And I understand they made the Citadel DLC for that reason, but: -I will never buy the Citadel DLC -I will not buy the remaster for the Citadel DLC -I will not play the Citadel DLC because it is some of the worst content I've seen -And it compensates for nothing. So Bioware, keep making Liara games alone. Are you being serious? Okay, granted....When the Devs started the whole OT they obviously had Liara in mind as the predominant LI, you could definitely tell that from much of the promotional material and other Dev content, sure. I'll give you that......But if you don't or haven't bought the Citadel DLC simply because you think it is going to be heavily biased in favour of showcasing Liara over anyone else.....you're missing out on the best DLC in any Bioware game-- better even that Trespasser for Inquisition. Don't get me wrong I loved Inquisition and all of the DLC especially Trespasser....But between the two franchises, I have always been an ME fan more than DA, and Citadel has just some of the great character moments and best dialogue between multiple characters. And Jack really has a chance to shine; her ark between 2, 3 and the Citadel is really, really good....and I for one, am just disappointed that there wasn't more of Jack especially in 3. So it's not 500% about Liara, and if you think that I would respectfully suggest you are mistaken, and that maybe you could try to replay through the OT with another LI character such as Ashley, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Miranda or-- heck, even Traynor. Even Traynor may have just been a new addition for the final installment but she is absolutely hilarious...and adorable in her own ways. Citadel was absolutely terrible. It wasn’t funny, or fun, or anything positive.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 24, 2021 21:55:34 GMT
Each to their own, I suppose, Hanako. Personally, I really enjoyed The Citadel dlc.
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Post by 10k on Jan 24, 2021 22:06:39 GMT
Are you being serious? Okay, granted....When the Devs started the whole OT they obviously had Liara in mind as the predominant LI, you could definitely tell that from much of the promotional material and other Dev content, sure. I'll give you that......But if you don't or haven't bought the Citadel DLC simply because you think it is going to be heavily biased in favour of showcasing Liara over anyone else.....you're missing out on the best DLC in any Bioware game-- better even that Trespasser for Inquisition. Don't get me wrong I loved Inquisition and all of the DLC especially Trespasser....But between the two franchises, I have always been an ME fan more than DA, and Citadel has just some of the great character moments and best dialogue between multiple characters. And Jack really has a chance to shine; her ark between 2, 3 and the Citadel is really, really good....and I for one, am just disappointed that there wasn't more of Jack especially in 3. So it's not 500% about Liara, and if you think that I would respectfully suggest you are mistaken, and that maybe you could try to replay through the OT with another LI character such as Ashley, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Miranda or-- heck, even Traynor. Even Traynor may have just been a new addition for the final installment but she is absolutely hilarious...and adorable in her own ways. Citadel was absolutely terrible. It wasn’t funny, or fun, or anything positive. This 100% it was cringey, and was obviously fanservice that served no purpose.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2021 22:17:28 GMT
The N7 Mirror match in the Armax Arsenal Arena was the only remotely challenging combat in the game, so at least there’s that. But yeah, that DLC’s tonal dissonance made it age very poorly, very quickly.
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Post by 10k on Jan 24, 2021 22:23:25 GMT
The N7 Mirror match in the Armax Arsenal Arena was the only remotely challenging combat in the game, so at least there’s that. Oh yeah, the arena was definitely the best part of that DLC. Doing solo run on insanity against Vanguard Shepards was amazing
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 24, 2021 22:38:40 GMT
Citadel was absolutely terrible. It wasn’t funny, or fun, or anything positive. This 100% it was cringey, and was obviously fanservice that served no purpose. Gotta disagree with ya. It was obviously fan service of course but it was awesome. I loved grunts side mission thing as his story reminded me of a guy richie movie. Garrus got some dancing and proved once again what a stud he is. Miranda and Jack got good content in it as well. The only one who got screwed in it was ashley if she was your LI.
Obviously the main story was cliche and cheesy but it was on purpose and entertaining in my opinion.
It was a good way to say goodbye in my opinion and the male shepard slayer armor was badas#.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 24, 2021 22:42:33 GMT
Citadel was absolutely terrible. It wasn’t funny, or fun, or anything positive. This 100% it was cringey, and was obviously fanservice that served no purpose. Not only did it serve no purpose, but it damaged if not ruined so many of the characters. With that being the last time you interact with them in new content, bad way to leave a final impression. Hell, some of the important characters didn't even get content, like why was Chakwas, Michel, Adams, Kelly, etc not even invited to the party? Some of them have been with you more than many of the squadmates.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 24, 2021 22:45:29 GMT
You can bet that Liara will be returning in increasingly greater degree, per game, until the public accepts Bioware's new offerings. But anyone other than Liara is gone. ME1: Liara ninjamance even if you pick someone else ME2: Liara DLC ME3: Liara the immortal canon waifu MEA: Liara only trilogy character appearance ME5: Liara, The Game You know it's kinda funny you mention this since Liara is not the "default" romance for shepard and in the trailers you always see shepard with ashley when it implied companion ship.
Also in ME1 you have the option of not seeing her till just before the last mission. If you do noveria, feros, and Virmire before finding her you basically get one conversation with her in that game and in ME2 you have the same option if you exclude the dlc. Yes she played a large part in ME3 but she was the only character that had to be alive at that point from the previous games, although if you let garrus or Tali die during the suicide mission you are a monster!
So while she was clearly meant to be a big part of the games, you only have to have more then one conversation with her per game in ME3.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 24, 2021 22:59:13 GMT
ah yes, Citadel dlc. I remember wanting the dlc, before Citadel was announced, to be about the crucible. Oh well. It is not my favorite dlc, but it did have some good moments in it. The issue is the ME2 characters got the shaft just like they did in the main game. Why? Because ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy. In the dlc, if a plyer is romancing Jack, Sam, Steve or Miranda, it's the t'soni that shows up. The same if there is no romance. Why is that? It was because they didn't have the I was in ME1 card. That's how Wrex was able to be a squadmate in the dlc. Sam I can understand, but the other 3, no. Look at Steve. He's leading one of the teams during the archives part, but can't show up to help Shepard?
Then there's the casino. Would it have been hard to have those 4 show up for that section of the dlc? No it wouldn't. One thing I would have liked to have seen is Jack during that section. What would she have worn? What would she have done to distract the guards?
There's also the part where Brooks mentions they're heroes, but for some reason Shepard isn't given the opportunity to mention the crew being heroes nor mentioning the characters that helped deal with the collectors.
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Post by 10k on Jan 24, 2021 23:07:06 GMT
This 100% it was cringey, and was obviously fanservice that served no purpose. Gotta disagree with ya. It was obviously fan service of course but it was awesome. I loved grunts side mission thing as his story reminded me of a guy richie movie. Garrus got some dancing and proved once again what a stud he is. Miranda and Jack got good content in it as well. The only one who got screwed in it was ashley if she was your LI.
Obviously the main story was cliche and cheesy but it was on purpose and entertaining in my opinion.
It was a good way to say goodbye in my opinion and the male shepard slayer armor was badas#.
I understand that. I mean, most people rate it as their favorite DLC. Personally LoTSB and Omega are my favorites, but most people like citadel the best because it adds more interactions with the companions. But I just felt it didn't add anything, and was like a mini Andromeda in a way because of how cringe the dialogue and story was. Plus it didn't fit in the natural timeline with things. Shepard is running around trying to stop the reapers, but he has time to stop and throw a party and invite all his crew who are busy doing more important things? It just didn't sit right with me. All in all, one thing I can say good about the DLC is the clone fight with Vanguard Shep. It topped the Tela Vasir fight in LoTSB for me. Vanguard vs Vanguard is always fun.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 24, 2021 23:26:21 GMT
So while she was clearly meant to be a big part of the games, you only have to have more then one conversation with her per game in ME3. It doesn't matter. Bioware has brought her back, not once, but twice now. And if they need to, they will bring her back thrice. In contrast to anyone else from the trilogy. And you can bet that the reason why she isn't on board in ME2, is because Bioware wanted her alive for ME3, so she wouldn't die in the SM. That's forward planning and probably the most planning they've done in the entire trilogy. I'm absolutely being serious. They make you pay $15 for content that should have been in the base game, like interacting with characters that are important to you and what other content there is, is just ... let's say out of place, for leniency's sake. I don't believe I even need to address "sing-along mode". I will never understand what where they thinking with that one. Bioware, seriously, no more singing acts. Especially the DA ones. Some of the worst cringe stuff you've ever made. I can guarantee you, nobody is going to miss them.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 24, 2021 23:46:32 GMT
sing along mode" I thought that was funny ..........Not sure about the ones in Dragon Age that you're talking about (If you're referring to Origins, I never finished it) but if you are talking about Tali's line....I thought that was cute. But hey, that's just me. I know everyone has their own likes and dislikes, so I'm okay with that.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 24, 2021 23:58:11 GMT
So while she was clearly meant to be a big part of the games, you only have to have more then one conversation with her per game in ME3. It doesn't matter. Bioware has brought her back, not once, but twice now. And if they need to, they will bring her back thrice. In contrast to anyone else from the trilogy. And you can bet that the reason why she isn't on board in ME2, is because Bioware wanted her alive for ME3, so she wouldn't die in the SM. That's forward planning and probably the most planning they've done in the entire trilogy. I'm absolutely being serious. They make you pay $15 for content that should have been in the base game, like interacting with characters that are important to you and what other content there is, is just ... let's say out of place, for leniency's sake. I don't believe I even need to address "sing-along mode". I will never understand what where they thinking with that one. Bioware, seriously, no more singing acts. Especially the DA ones. Some of the worst cringe stuff you've ever made. I can guarantee you, nobody is going to miss them. Singing acts? No clue what that is. As for the fifteen dollar DLC that should have been in the game... well I point you towards the prothean in cryo in ME3. Unlike the shadow broker dlc which is completly seperate from the rest of ME2 the prothean is clearly meant to be part of ME3 and it's plot.
Shadow broker DLC is completly seperate from the ME2 plot where as From ashes was clearly meant to be part of the main ME3 plot and should have been it's own mission like rescuing Eve was. Levithean was directly connected to the ME3 plot as well. So the shadow broker dlc is really seperate from the ME2 game and thus it makes sense to use as dlc just like overlord was.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 25, 2021 0:06:11 GMT
As for the fifteen dollar DLC that should have been in the game... well I point you towards the prothean in cryo in ME3. Unlike the shadow broker dlc which is completly seperate from the rest of ME2 the prothean is clearly meant to be part of ME3 and it's plot. Absolutely. There was even this article I read ... I forget where, about how Javik was indeed cut from the game and there was a lot of internal arguing about it. Was it in the trilogy art book? The 25 years of Bioware history book? It was quoted from one of these.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 25, 2021 0:11:08 GMT
As for the fifteen dollar DLC that should have been in the game... well I point you towards the prothean in cryo in ME3. Unlike the shadow broker dlc which is completly seperate from the rest of ME2 the prothean is clearly meant to be part of ME3 and it's plot. Absolutely. There was even this article I read ... I forget where, about how Javik was indeed cut from the game and there was a lot of internal arguing about it. Was it in the trilogy art book? The 25 years of Bioware history book? It was quoted from one of these. Everyone agrees with it. Although my point was that shadow broker dlc was clearly always meant to be a dlc. where as Javik was meant to be part of the game.
To be honest while I found the idea of having javik in dlc annoying it was never a big deal to me like it was to others. I have come to expect that big companies will milk every dollar they can from their customers and considering the many much more critical industries that do this like the medical industry for example I don't really see EA charging us an extra fifteen bucks a big deal.
Ah corporations they have normalized greed to this level.
edit also what did you mean by the singing thing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 25, 2021 0:18:10 GMT
edit also what did you mean by the singing thing. Get ready, cause it's a doozy. But wait! There's more! Absolutely, unequivocally, never do this again, Bioware. Don't make me dig up the DA:O Leliana singing again, either.
Edit: Looking at Cullen's face ... he's looking like he's having a personal moment there. Is it just me?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 25, 2021 0:22:18 GMT
edit also what did you mean by the singing thing. Get ready, cause it's a doozy. But wait! There's more! Absolutely, unequivocally, never do this again, Bioware. Don't make me dig up the DA:O Leliana singing again, either.
Edit: Looking at Cullen's face ... he's looking like he's having a personal moment there. Is it just me?
I forgot about that scene with Tali. Yes bioware don't ever do this again. Leliana's in DAO was one thing but never again. And NEVER make it so you can't skip forward like in DAI singing.
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Post by Radec on Jan 25, 2021 2:10:33 GMT
The N7 Mirror match in the Armax Arsenal Arena was the only remotely challenging combat in the game, so at least there’s that. But yeah, that DLC’s tonal dissonance made it age very poorly, very quickly. ME3 in general makes me vacillate between cringe and laughing out loud unintentionally, so I didnt mind Citadel doing it intentionally. I generally wait until just before Cronos to do it as well, so the rest of the game is going to be a big joke anyway. And yes, the Arena is actually fun, letting you use ME2 squadmates and it's actually capable putting up a challenge. I wish Platinum difficulty in ME3MP had a similar design to mirror match (fast, accurate enemies with abilities similar to the player) instead of just grinding down waves of big, slow and dumb bullet sponges.
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