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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 19:58:32 GMT
So first they cancelled Andromeda, now they are cancelling Anthem. Any reason to buy any other game from them ???? They cancelled post-release support and dlc for MEA. I think the situation with Anthem is different. It’s true that their last two released ended up negatively, if not in failure. As for the next game, I’d say that the ‘reason’ to buy it, is either be interested in it due to the previous game in the series (like DAI for DA4) or simply looking at the marketing and the information before and after release and decide if the game is interesting to you, or not. If however Anthem being cancelled is important to the point of not buying any other BioWare games, I also think that it’s a valid point of view.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 24, 2021 19:58:46 GMT
This is just bad news, it will hurt BioWare in a long term. This is yet another loss from the studio and reputation matters.Next Dragon Age game has to be a big success, otherwise things will not look good for the future.  Yep, and it gives the internet haters more ammunition to trash the company. I'm not entirely sure what "big success" means for Bioware given their products have been declining and failing to meet players' expectations, but you would think they've got to be running out of chances. Part of me is like good more resources for the next DA/ME games, but then part of me is like they'll waste time with half baked ideas and procedural BS and it won't matter anyways. And probably anger people who like their games like Anthem and Andromeda and stick to them.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 20:00:22 GMT
I’d say the whole Covid situation impacted Anthem more then DA4, to be honest. Anthem was abandoned by Bioware long before Covid even became a thing. The last meaningful update (and it wasn't anything big or different) was in July 2019 or so. Afterwards the game went in a maintenance mode. Yeah, the PR team promised "huge things are in the works", but that was an obvious lie even at the time. Not exactly. They were looking to rebuild and relaunch the game, as Square Enix did with FF XIV. We do know from sources that EA reviewed a demo/presentation of Anthem in the last few weeks. They decision upon the review was to shut it down. It wasn’t something that was decided months ago.
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Post by traks on Feb 24, 2021 20:01:19 GMT
This is just bad news, it will hurt BioWare in a long term. This is yet another loss from the studio and reputation matters.Next Dragon Age game has to be a big success, otherwise things will not look good for the future.  Yep, and it gives the internet haters more ammunition to trash the company. I'm not entirely sure what "big success" means for Bioware given their products have been declining and failing to meet players' expectations, but you would think they've got to be running out of chances. Part of me is like good more resources for the next DA/ME games, but then part of me is like they'll waste time with half baked ideas and procedural BS and it won't matter anyways. Yup, a failed IP definitely won't help. The next ME better be good (and hopefully they have an independent target date from the next DA release). I'm not too much into Dragon Age, so my hope is that they go back to two (three if you count SWOTOR) completely independent teams to enable them to bring out games in shorter time spans when it comes to single IPs to keep momentum. For example: if you bring out MELE in May 2021, then your target date for the next ME should be fall 2023 -> delayed to spring 2024, but not later. So if preproduction started in late 2019, you should go into production late 2021/early 2022 and finish the game in two years from then. Don't put much of that team on crunch for a Dragon Age release...
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2021 20:01:24 GMT
This is just bad news, it will hurt BioWare in a long term. This is yet another loss from the studio and reputation matters.Next Dragon Age game has to be a big success, otherwise things will not look good for the future.  Yep, and it gives the internet haters more ammunition to trash the company. I'm not entirely sure what "big success" means for Bioware given their products have been declining and failing to meet players' expectations, but you would think they've got to be running out of chances. Part of me is like good more resources for the next DA/ME games, but then part of me is like they'll waste time with half baked ideas and procedural BS and it won't matter anyways. Hopefully they learned that "BioWare magic" is nonsense and have indeed ditched crunch time.
Mass Effect 2 development only one without crunch time and it is the most beloved game after all. So hopefully they learned proper lessons from DAI( success yet still collapsed devs morale), MEA and now Anthem.
Covid-19 made a mess on top of all that, for sure, but they have to do their very best even with that big challenge.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 24, 2021 20:01:41 GMT
And just when I was thinking about reinstalling and giving it another go. Oh, well... Why not still do it? Not like the game has changed a lot since launch. If you wanted to play it only because of the idea that it could change in the future, then it was pointless anyway.
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Post by traks on Feb 24, 2021 20:04:44 GMT
That being said: I likely will play the game now at some point for a second time. I held off in hopes of a major update, but now with that out of the window...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2021 20:05:12 GMT
Yes, it is. This game was killed so they could focus on that steaming pile of shit. ...you really need to grow up and reassess your view on things if this sends you raging through the forums. I’m not the one personally insulting other posters, so I don’t think it’s me who needs to grow up and reassess themselves.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Feb 24, 2021 20:06:06 GMT
Anthem falls under Austin. DA4 and NME fall under Edmonton. Stopping work on Anthem improves the prospects for SW:TOR. But it does eliminate the chances of BioWare having to shift resources to Austin, to provide the GAAS support Anthem would require to succeed. I'm not happy that Anthem is not getting updated, but I'm not upset and it's certainly not a tragedy. I think BioWare seriously underestimated the level of resources required to support Anthem's roadmap. For me, Anthem was always a stop-gap until DA4 came out and eventually, NME. On the bright side, MELE will be out on 14 May … I guess it can act as my stop-gap until the next iterations of BioWare RPGs ship. As others said, Anthem RIP. According to Jason Shrier, the “small” team working on Anthem moved onto Dragon Age 4.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 20:06:53 GMT
You know, if I had said it got cancelled, I would have been labeled as a pessimist, a hater and a liar. So I did hint it, but I didn't want to sound too negative.
Do you guys think I held back enough?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 20:07:28 GMT
Anthem falls under Austin. DA4 and NME fall under Edmonton. Stopping work on Anthem improves the prospects for SW:TOR. But it does eliminate the chances of BioWare having to shift resources to Austin, to provide the GAAS support Anthem would require to succeed. I'm not happy that Anthem is not getting updated, but I'm not upset and it's certainly not a tragedy. I think BioWare seriously underestimated the level of resources required to support Anthem's roadmap. For me, Anthem was always a stop-gap until DA4 came out and eventually, NME. On the bright side, MELE will be out on 14 May … I guess it can act as my stop-gap until the next iterations of BioWare RPGs ship. As others said, Anthem RIP. According to Jason Shrier, the “small” team working on Anthem moved onto Dragon Age 4. Which I don’t think it’s a good news, but I might simply be paranoid.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 24, 2021 20:07:52 GMT
Yep, and it gives the internet haters more ammunition to trash the company. I'm not entirely sure what "big success" means for Bioware given their products have been declining and failing to meet players' expectations, but you would think they've got to be running out of chances. Part of me is like good more resources for the next DA/ME games, but then part of me is like they'll waste time with half baked ideas and procedural BS and it won't matter anyways. And probably anger people who like their games like Anthem and Andromeda and stick to them. Honestly, I'll never understand the approach Bioware takes. While MEA wasn't the greatest the foundation was there...excellent combat and visuals. A follow up with a really good DLC (large and well crafted) could have won some back and laid the groundwork for MEA2. Same with DAI, they could have built DA4 right atop what they had and made improvements where necessary. It's still a good looking game going on 7 years later. Bioware could have been working on DA5 and MEA3 right now. For some reason Bio feels the need to reinvent the wheel with every iteration. That's not a sound financial approach.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 24, 2021 20:09:00 GMT
Anthem was abandoned by Bioware long before Covid even became a thing. The last meaningful update (and it wasn't anything big or different) was in July 2019 or so. Afterwards the game went in a maintenance mode. Yeah, the PR team promised "huge things are in the works", but that was an obvious lie even at the time. Not exactly. They were looking to rebuild and relaunch the game, as Square Enix did with FF XIV. We do know from sources that EA reviewed a demo/presentation of Anthem in the last few weeks. They decision upon the review was to shut it down. It wasn’t something that was decided months ago. Ooooooh, boy, did you believe they were even thinking of rebuilding it like FF XIV? Lol! Bioware never EVER said they are going there. The closest was a comment about "looking for ways to improve/change Anthem". The FF XIV thing was just some desperate fans hoping for too much. The reality - EA gave a small Bioware team the task to check if Anthem can be salvaged with minimum work/investment. As expected, the answer was a big "NO". This is something everyone knew for two years and EA got a confirmation just now.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 20:09:03 GMT
You know, if I had said it got cancelled, I would have been labeled as a pessimist, a hater and a liar. So I did hint it, but I didn't want to sound too negative. Do you guys think I held back enough? From the little I saw, I think it was fine, but I also think it’d have been fine if you straight out said it, unless you’d get in some trouble by saying it.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 24, 2021 20:10:45 GMT
You know, if I had said it got cancelled, I would have been labeled as a pessimist, a hater and a liar. So I did hint it, but I didn't want to sound too negative. Do you guys think I held back enough? How dare we be hopeful.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 24, 2021 20:11:18 GMT
And just when I was thinking about reinstalling and giving it another go. Oh, well... Why not still do it? Not like the game has changed a lot since launch. If you wanted to play it only because of the idea that it could change in the future, then it was pointless anyway. I actually just migrated back over after a year hiatus wondering if any improvements and story additions had been dropped. Looks like not. I'm not too bummed. I got 150 hours out of the game and mostly enjoyed the experience. That's about .40c/hour. Not much else you can do for that.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 20:11:54 GMT
Not exactly. They were looking to rebuild and relaunch the game, as Square Enix did with FF XIV. We do know from sources that EA reviewed a demo/presentation of Anthem in the last few weeks. They decision upon the review was to shut it down. It wasn’t something that was decided months ago. Ooooooh, boy, did you believe they were even thinking of rebuilding it like FF XIV? Lol! Bioware never EVER said they are going there. The closest was a comment about "looking for ways to improve/change Anthem". The FF XIV thing was just some desperate fans hoping for too much. The reality - EA gave a small Bioware team the task to check if Anthem can be salvaged with minimum work/investment. As expected, the answer was a big "NO". This is something everyone knew for two years and EA got a confirmation just now. I didn’t mean it’d have been changed like FF XIV, only a relaunch in that style. Even if the team was small, the pandemic did affect their efforts, as it did with multiple games’ releases, as we’re hearing in the last two months. Maybe Anthem would’ve been shut down anyway. I don’t have a particular interest either way, so there’s no personal attachment connected to my view.
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Post by 10k on Feb 24, 2021 20:14:17 GMT
So they finally came to their senses and cancelled this disaster. I hope they get their shit together. There was never a need for another looter-shooter. Destiny, the division, fortnight, and apex legends were already dominating the market. BW needs to figure out who they are. Hopefully MELE will bring some fans back, and the next DA can keep them.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 24, 2021 20:14:57 GMT
You know, if I had said it got cancelled, I would have been labeled as a pessimist, a hater and a liar. So I did hint it, but I didn't want to sound too negative. Do you guys think I held back enough? I thought it was common knowledge that Anthem is canceled the moment the new ME game project was announced. Not to mention the ME Legendary edition. What does it say when Bioware is given time and resources for that, but no word on Anthem in over a year? The writing was on the wall.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 24, 2021 20:16:10 GMT
I am very pleased with this decision. It was no doubt the right one.
Lets hope Bioware can now focus on the thing it does the best: single-player RPG's (...and SWTOR!)
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Post by helios969 on Feb 24, 2021 20:16:34 GMT
BW needs to figure out who they are. Truer words have never been spoken. They really, really do.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Feb 24, 2021 20:16:52 GMT
Then: Anthem & SWBF2 killed MEA. Now: SWTOR & ME5 & DA4 kill Anthem. 
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Post by reiichiroh on Feb 24, 2021 20:17:12 GMT
and nothing of value was lost.
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Post by skekSil on Feb 24, 2021 20:17:21 GMT
Do you think they will now put Antem on Steam?
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Post by saandrig on Feb 24, 2021 20:20:19 GMT
Then: Anthem & SWBF2 killed MEA. Now: SWTOR & ME5 & DA4 kill Anthem.  SWTOR never killed anything, trust me. It gets killed over and over, not the other way around.
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