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Post by Hrulj on Feb 15, 2021 17:50:04 GMT
A few years ago I made a thread regarding some fixes for Mass Effect in general, things like how to integrate overheat weapon system with thermal clips, removal of Bikini costumes as armor for female characters and some other stuff. I thought now why not change the plot a bit in order to make the game flow a bit better. It's just a personal idea thread, not a request for Bioware to change something or some kind of grand proclamation to the world.
In Mass Effect Reapers are a relatively typical crazy machine race hellbent on exterminating organics for the sake of some great, unknowable goal that in the end turns out knowable and underwhelming. How would I change them up? When I first played Mass Effect 13 or so years ago the encounter with sovereign made an impression on me of Reapers as a primeval, originally organic race that has reached the apex of organic life but resolved the limitations of it, such as death and aging by "evolving" and uploading themselves into a Matrioshka brain. For those unaware a Matrioshka brain is a sfi-fi megastructure based around a Dyson sphere and using said energy for immense computational capabilities. By uploading themselves and their consciousness into it they are able to, for all intents and purposes become a God of their own world, universe and space. There is no hunger, no boredom, no death, no pain. Each person a "nation", independent of all weakness, capable of experiencing everything thanks to the immense computational power provided by the structure itself. Yet that leaves them at a disadvantage. The entire race is uploaded into a singular location, but is ultimately at the mercy of universe at large. With billions and billions of years to go the only threat to paradise they created comes from other alien races, who over galactic timescales will inevitably attack them if left to their own devices. Please note, since the inevitability of war seems to be a pet peeve for many in regards to organic-synthethic conflict that we are talking about immense timescales. "Just" 90 million years ago most of Europe was underwater, Africa and South America just split off from each other and North America was floating around in two parts. Just 75 years ago Germany waged war on the world as a whole and yet now is one of the best allies of United States. Same with Japan and others. Peace can be made, war can be waged, and there is no guarantee that allies of today will stay as such in mere centuries, nevermind millions of years to come. It is a risk and cost Reapers cannot afford. Ergo, they devised the "harvest' - a 50 000 year cycle in which advanced civilizations are culled and eradicated, and their technological progress collected and added to reapers own, while others are allowed to take their place and develop technology, thus giving reapers both security and scientific perspective of entire civilizations as alternative to their own, thus preventing stagnation.
I'd put Reaper "Homeworld" at the black hole in the center of our galaxy, uploaded to a matrioshka brain ringworld, using the gravitational ability of black holes to slow down time for themselves, thus allowing them to experience a thousand years in a time it takes us to experience one. This would give them advantage in conventional warfare that is simply impossible to overcome, thus justifying the entire "Reapers can't be defeated conventionally" narrative, created in the trilogy but never really explored in detail.
I'll add more when I think of it.
I'd keep the Mass Effect 1 storyline as much as possible with the difference of course being the Reapers "sleeping" in their matrioshka brain rather than dark space between galaxies. The citadel is still a chief Mass Relay allowing for instant and decapitating strike on the center of galacting government and thus of great interest to Reapers to keep open, but ultimately not the end all be all for their ability to come and Harvest. Stopping them from using it simply means buying several years for the galaxy as they travel at regular FTL speeds from the galactic core.
What I would change however is Reapers method of attacking planets, the citadel and fighting in space. In Space to Space combat instead of firing superheated metal they should use direct energy weaponry, plasma or dark energy arrays. It would explain their ability to destroy ships with ease much better than simple heated Iron and Tungsten. There is no defense for it.
For Planets however I'd make the biggest change. Instead of stomping around and occasionally firing their laser beams the Reapers launch themselves at extreme speeds into the planets surface, embedding themselves deep underground, followed by releasing massive swarms of nanites that disassemble and gather every organic particle on the planet. The "Grey Goo" spreads like a flood, there is no fighting it, no holding it back, it eats and consumes everything, from viruses and bacteria to animals of every kind. Oceans are depleted of life, every tree and strand of grass eaten. A Reaper on a planet means the death of the planet itself. The scene from Collector base repeated in large as Asari, Humans and Turians are disolved in seconds. What remains is grey nanite-organic sludge that is later sucked up into the sky trough massive tendrils and sent for processing. There are no concentration camps organized by Husks and watched over by Mauraders as people go on living their life more or less the same as before Reapers as population is processed.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 15, 2021 18:09:46 GMT
your ideas have potential.
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 15, 2021 20:39:47 GMT
your ideas have potential. Thanks. Feel free to add yours as well
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 23:12:34 GMT
Maybe their origin is that one, and they were banished to Dark Space for a reason, and the entire cycle is a way for them to build enough Power to come back.
The Leviathans become more interesting this way: they are the primordial race, created the Reapers and banished them.
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Post by Radec on Feb 16, 2021 0:20:39 GMT
Its a far more interesting proposal than what the Reapers ended up being, i.e. dumb VI's with bloviating villain monologue subroutines and access to advanced weapons tech. I especially like your concept for their use of time dilation as a means to advance "faster" in relative terms. It's a hard sci-fi concept that doesn't get used enough.
I'd combine the Leviathan into them, making the Reapers what they "evolved" into once they'd reached the limit of their organic form.
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 16, 2021 0:49:55 GMT
Its a far more interesting proposal than what the Reapers ended up being, i.e. dumb VI's with bloviating villain monologue subroutines and access to advanced weapons tech. I especially like your concept for their use of time dilation as a means to advance "faster" in relative terms. It's a hard sci-fi concept that doesn't get used enough. I'd combine the Leviathan into them, making the Reapers what they "evolved" into once they'd reached the limit of their organic form. I'd definitely see Leviathans as organic forms of Reapers before their ascension. The biological origin of species before digitalization allows for the ancient, no beginning, no end claim to be more feasible and believable. Machines, after all must have a maker, someone that built them and thus originated from even before them. Turning yourself into a machine is a much scarier prospect. I updated the OP as well a bit further
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Post by themikefest on Feb 16, 2021 1:37:46 GMT
One thing I would do is the number of reapers. It's estimate that there about 20,000 capital ships. That's only if the 50,000 year cycle has been happening that long. No one knows when thing had the reapers build the relay network. Another question Shepard wasn't able to ask. Look at the derelict reaper. It's about 37 million years old. What if the relay's weren't around at that time? Or only been around for that length of time? That would be about 740 capital ships. Even with that number plus destroyers, they would still harvest the galaxy. What if that number is lower? Lets say the relays have been around for 10 million years. That would be 200 capital ships. I would say that would be more than enough for the reapers to still harvest the galaxy. With that number would the galaxy have a chance for a conventional victory instead of relying on some hocus-pocus crap? Depends on a lot of things. Either way, I would change is the number of reapers there might be.
What if it was Leviathan who built the reapers with help from the lesser species? They were built to build the relay network and move them to where they needed to be. Harbinger was built for the purpose of being the reapers foreman. When Harbinger was updated with new commands, it would send a signal out to the other reapers telling them what to do. Every.....500,000 years, another relay was built to make room for the growing species. That species would move to another part of the galaxy. In return for helping the lesser species to expand and thrive, those species had to commit a certain % of their population to worshipping and work for Leviathan. In between building relay's, the reapers were in darkspace in sleep mode. There they had built a giant space station to house them all. While in sleep mode, they were plugged into the station running on minimal power. During that time, drones and mech gave each reaper the once over changing it's oil, grease the fittings, touching up the paint and so on
One day Leviathan went to update Harbinger, but something bad happened. During the update, some blah, blah happened that caused the reapers to go haywire. Harbinger commanded all reapers to exterminate all species. So every 500,000 years, Harbinger would lead the reapers to harvest the galaxy while using some of the organics to help build a relay. A long comes ME3. When Shepard talks with Leviathan, it mentions the only way to stop the harvest is by destroying Harbinger. The final battle will have all the fleets acting as a distraction while Shepard and team find a way to get inside the reapers to destroy it. Another way would be in ME2, have the main mission be going to darkspace to find any clues that would help with dealing with the reapers. When there, Shepard encounters holo-Leviathan. It explains why the reapers were built, and what happened leading to them doing what they're doing. it also tells Shepard the only way to stop the reapers is to destroy Harbinger.
Another way would be the only reapers left is Sovereign. They were defeated a very long time ago. In the trilogy, the inusannon and Protheans are part of the galactic community. What happened in their time is they were in a battle against machines that devastated their homeworlds and populations. They were able to win, but it was costly. This cycle looks to be a repeat. In ME1, Sovereign is stuck on it's old programming from long ago. It's trying to bring the other reapers into the galaxy, but they no longer exist. ME1 plays out nearly the same. When fighting Sovereign, instead of it being destroyed, it leaves after suffering some damage. ME2 will be about finding the reaper, but also dealing with the geth. The Arrival dlc, will not be a dlc, but a mission that takes place after ME2's main mission has ended. Kenson finds the reaper artifact letting her believe the reapers are going to return. They will not, but Shepard doesn't want to take any chances.
ME3 will be similiar to what it isi now except it will be about the fleets hunting down Sovereign and destroy it for good while fighting the geth. The end will feature a battle between Sovereign and the fleets. Once the reaper is destroyed, whatever remains of the geth retreat.
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 16, 2021 2:08:32 GMT
One thing I would do is the number of reapers. It's estimate that there about 20,000 capital ships. That's only if the 50,000 year cycle has been happening that long. No one knows when thing had the reapers build the relay network. Another question Shepard wasn't able to ask. Look at the derelict reaper. It's about 37 million years old. What if the relay's weren't around at that time? Or only been around for that length of time? That would be about 740 capital ships. Even with that number plus destroyers, they would still harvest the galaxy. What if that number is lower? Lets say the relays have been around for 10 million years. That would be 200 capital ships. I would say that would be more than enough for the reapers to still harvest the galaxy. With that number would the galaxy have a chance for a conventional victory instead of relying on some hocus-pocus crap? Depends on a lot of things. Either way, I would change is the number of reapers there might be. What if it was Leviathan who built the reapers with help from the lesser species? They were built to build the relay network and move them to where they needed to be. Harbinger was built for the purpose of being the reapers foreman. When Harbinger was updated with new commands, it would send a signal out to the other reapers telling them what to do. Every.....500,000 years, another relay was built to make room for the growing species. That species would move to another part of the galaxy. In return for helping the lesser species to expand and thrive, those species had to commit a certain % of their population to worshipping and work for Leviathan. In between building relay's, the reapers were in darkspace in sleep mode. There they had built a giant space station to house them all. While in sleep mode, they were plugged into the station running on minimal power. During that time, drones and mech gave each reaper the once over changing it's oil, grease the fittings, touching up the paint and so on One day Leviathan went to update Harbinger, but something bad happened. During the update, some blah, blah happened that caused the reapers to go haywire. Harbinger commanded all reapers to exterminate all species. So every 500,000 years, Harbinger would lead the reapers to harvest the galaxy while using some of the organics to help build a relay. A long comes ME3. When Shepard talks with Leviathan, it mentions the only way to stop the harvest is by destroying Harbinger. The final battle will have all the fleets acting as a distraction while Shepard and team find a way to get inside the reapers to destroy it. Another way would be in ME2, have the main mission be going to darkspace to find any clues that would help with dealing with the reapers. When there, Shepard encounters holo-Leviathan. It explains why the reapers were built, and what happened leading to them doing what they're doing. it also tells Shepard the only way to stop the reapers is to destroy Harbinger. Another way would be the only reapers left is Sovereign. They were defeated a very long time ago. In the trilogy, the inusannon and Protheans are part of the galactic community. What happened in their time is they were in a battle against machines that devastated their homeworlds and populations. They were able to win, but it was costly. This cycle looks to be a repeat. In ME1, Sovereign is stuck on it's old programming from long ago. It's trying to bring the other reapers into the galaxy, but they no longer exist. ME1 plays out nearly the same. When fighting Sovereign, instead of it being destroyed, it leaves after suffering some damage. ME2 will be about finding the reaper, but also dealing with the geth. The Arrival dlc, will not be a dlc, but a mission that takes place after ME2's main mission has ended. Kenson finds the reaper artifact letting her believe the reapers are going to return. They will not, but Shepard doesn't want to take any chances. ME3 will be similiar to what it isi now except it will be about the fleets hunting down Sovereign and destroy it for good while fighting the geth. The end will feature a battle between Sovereign and the fleets. Once the reaper is destroyed, whatever remains of the geth retreat. I'd honestly put them as achieving space flight 9 billion years ago with the cycles becoming a standard practice around 7 billion years ago. Under standard 50k year reaper formation cycle that would give them 140 000 capital ships. However I would change that up. I'd change reapers into essentially Gundam suits for Reapers, something they upload their consciousness into temporarily for purposes of waging war rather than where they constantly stay. And I'd up their number by a lot. After all Milky way Alone has 100 thousand millions stars. While not all of them have suitable planets it still needs to be covered to ensure no survivors are hiding somewhere. And as a civilization that survived for billions of years I'm sure they have the population to man it. Also, with the relativistic time dilation offered by their black hole home they could outproduce the entire galaxy in a time it takes it to finish a single dreadnought. I think I'd keep the keepers and maybe several other races as Reapers first experiments, an attempt at gaining control over the evolution and development of galactic species before they devised the harvests, ultimately failures but allowed to stay and take part in the greater project. I would however ban any kind of "Harbinger - this hurts you" type of character that obsesses over Shepard and the crew. Thanks for writing it up, loved reading it
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 16, 2021 7:27:18 GMT
I’d make the relay trap an absolute necessity for them to be able to achieve a proper victory. The fact that the reapers were able to just take the long way into the galaxy and absolutely steamroll over galactic society with seemingly no meaningful penalties really begs the question as to why they bother with that trap in the first place. They just flat out ignored the Citadel, even though Sovereign went all Leeroy Jenkins with some geth minions trying to retake it. They didn’t even bother to pay it any mind until Timmy snitched on everyone to the reapers for some crazy reason.
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Post by Radec on Feb 16, 2021 17:50:36 GMT
I’d make the relay trap an absolute necessity for them to be able to achieve a proper victory. The fact that the reapers were able to just take the long way into the galaxy and absolutely steamroll over galactic society with seemingly no meaningful penalties really begs the question as to why they bother with that trap in the first place. They just flat out ignored the Citadel, even though Sovereign went all Leeroy Jenkins with some geth minions trying to retake it. They didn’t even bother to pay it any mind until Timmy snitched on everyone to the reapers for some crazy reason. The clowns Mac and Casey couldn't write themselves out of a wet paper bag. They just totally forgot or ignored the setting and its rules/internal logic created by Karpyshyn, L'Etoile and others in the previous two games. Reapers show up inexplicably, but dither around letting us gather all kinds of allies to help build the plot device that defeats them, while we fight the derperus Sith Empire for most of the story. Even when they decide to take the Citadel after crazy TIM reminds them it's important and stuff (I guess he played the first game, only Sovereign must have played the first game out of the Reapers), they don't shut down the relays to keep our dumb ass trapped at Cronos station, the Crucible trapped who knows where, and all our allies trapped in their own respective systems. Or, at the very least, shut down the Sol relay until they're done harvesting the humans. No, have to leave it open for the big dumb ending battle where dozens of fleets come in through 1 relay at the same time (even tho Migrant Fleet codex says it takes all 50k of them several days to move through a relay) to shoot millions of mass accelerator rounds (each capable of nuclear bomb levels of destruction) in the direction of the Earth's surface to "save" it. They may as well have ended it by having Shepard do a Holdo Maneuver the and kill the entire Reaper fleet. Makes as much sense.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 16, 2021 21:44:39 GMT
I’d make the relay trap an absolute necessity for them to be able to achieve a proper victory. The fact that the reapers were able to just take the long way into the galaxy and absolutely steamroll over galactic society with seemingly no meaningful penalties really begs the question as to why they bother with that trap in the first place. They just flat out ignored the Citadel, even though Sovereign went all Leeroy Jenkins with some geth minions trying to retake it. They didn’t even bother to pay it any mind until Timmy snitched on everyone to the reapers for some crazy reason. Yup. The sensible solution is to limit the Reapers numbers, as the way they win is by controlling the network and thus defeating their foes in detail. They can still be really powerful, but that makes each defeat in itself a meaningful victory.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 16, 2021 23:05:03 GMT
In Mass Effect Reapers are a relatively typical crazy machine race hellbent on exterminating organics for the sake of some great, unknowable goal that in the end turns out knowable and underwhelming. Nitpick: the Reapers actually belong to the class of machine races which are only interested in exterminating a particular arbitrary subset of organics.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 17, 2021 4:35:55 GMT
The premise is cool, but I think this would fall into the same issue we had before w.r.t. writing ones self into a corner. How do you defeat them? This version of the Reapers sounds even more insurmountable than the original incarnation of them. I'm sure most people here would take any other ending over what was given for ME3, but I'm not seeing an option here other than attacking the Dyson sphere at the heart of the Galaxy.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 17, 2021 7:39:59 GMT
One thing I would do is the number of reapers. It's estimate that there about 20,000 capital ships. That's only if the 50,000 year cycle has been happening that long. No one knows when thing had the reapers build the relay network. Another question Shepard wasn't able to ask. Look at the derelict reaper. It's about 37 million years old. What if the relay's weren't around at that time? Or only been around for that length of time? That would be about 740 capital ships. Even with that number plus destroyers, they would still harvest the galaxy. What if that number is lower? Lets say the relays have been around for 10 million years. That would be 200 capital ships. I would say that would be more than enough for the reapers to still harvest the galaxy. With that number would the galaxy have a chance for a conventional victory instead of relying on some hocus-pocus crap? Depends on a lot of things. Either way, I would change is the number of reapers there might be. What if it was Leviathan who built the reapers with help from the lesser species? They were built to build the relay network and move them to where they needed to be. Harbinger was built for the purpose of being the reapers foreman. When Harbinger was updated with new commands, it would send a signal out to the other reapers telling them what to do. Every.....500,000 years, another relay was built to make room for the growing species. That species would move to another part of the galaxy. In return for helping the lesser species to expand and thrive, those species had to commit a certain % of their population to worshipping and work for Leviathan. In between building relay's, the reapers were in darkspace in sleep mode. There they had built a giant space station to house them all. While in sleep mode, they were plugged into the station running on minimal power. During that time, drones and mech gave each reaper the once over changing it's oil, grease the fittings, touching up the paint and so on One day Leviathan went to update Harbinger, but something bad happened. During the update, some blah, blah happened that caused the reapers to go haywire. Harbinger commanded all reapers to exterminate all species. So every 500,000 years, Harbinger would lead the reapers to harvest the galaxy while using some of the organics to help build a relay. A long comes ME3. When Shepard talks with Leviathan, it mentions the only way to stop the harvest is by destroying Harbinger. The final battle will have all the fleets acting as a distraction while Shepard and team find a way to get inside the reapers to destroy it. Another way would be in ME2, have the main mission be going to darkspace to find any clues that would help with dealing with the reapers. When there, Shepard encounters holo-Leviathan. It explains why the reapers were built, and what happened leading to them doing what they're doing. it also tells Shepard the only way to stop the reapers is to destroy Harbinger. Another way would be the only reapers left is Sovereign. They were defeated a very long time ago. In the trilogy, the inusannon and Protheans are part of the galactic community. What happened in their time is they were in a battle against machines that devastated their homeworlds and populations. They were able to win, but it was costly. This cycle looks to be a repeat. In ME1, Sovereign is stuck on it's old programming from long ago. It's trying to bring the other reapers into the galaxy, but they no longer exist. ME1 plays out nearly the same. When fighting Sovereign, instead of it being destroyed, it leaves after suffering some damage. ME2 will be about finding the reaper, but also dealing with the geth. The Arrival dlc, will not be a dlc, but a mission that takes place after ME2's main mission has ended. Kenson finds the reaper artifact letting her believe the reapers are going to return. They will not, but Shepard doesn't want to take any chances. ME3 will be similiar to what it isi now except it will be about the fleets hunting down Sovereign and destroy it for good while fighting the geth. The end will feature a battle between Sovereign and the fleets. Once the reaper is destroyed, whatever remains of the geth retreat. I'd honestly put them as achieving space flight 9 billion years ago with the cycles becoming a standard practice around 7 billion years ago. Under standard 50k year reaper formation cycle that would give them 140 000 capital ships. However I would change that up. I'd change reapers into essentially Gundam suits for Reapers, something they upload their consciousness into temporarily for purposes of waging war rather than where they constantly stay. And I'd up their number by a lot. After all Milky way Alone has 100 thousand millions stars. While not all of them have suitable planets it still needs to be covered to ensure no survivors are hiding somewhere. And as a civilization that survived for billions of years I'm sure they have the population to man it. Also, with the relativistic time dilation offered by their black hole home they could outproduce the entire galaxy in a time it takes it to finish a single dreadnought. I think I'd keep the keepers and maybe several other races as Reapers first experiments, an attempt at gaining control over the evolution and development of galactic species before they devised the harvests, ultimately failures but allowed to stay and take part in the greater project. I would however ban any kind of "Harbinger - this hurts you" type of character that obsesses over Shepard and the crew. Thanks for writing it up, loved reading it The 20000 ship number I believe comes from the the Leviathan of Dis... The ship the Batarians found that is supposedly a Reaper thought to be a BILLION years old.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 17, 2021 11:38:34 GMT
One thing I would do is the number of reapers. It's estimate that there about 20,000 capital ships. That's only if the 50,000 year cycle has been happening that long. No one knows when thing had the reapers build the relay network. Another question Shepard wasn't able to ask. Look at the derelict reaper. It's about 37 million years old. What if the relay's weren't around at that time? Or only been around for that length of time? That would be about 740 capital ships. Even with that number plus destroyers, they would still harvest the galaxy. What if that number is lower? Lets say the relays have been around for 10 million years. That would be 200 capital ships. I would say that would be more than enough for the reapers to still harvest the galaxy. With that number would the galaxy have a chance for a conventional victory instead of relying on some hocus-pocus crap? Depends on a lot of things. Either way, I would change is the number of reapers there might be. The sheer number of them is definitely one of the bigger issues with them. The cycles couldn’t have always been 50K years, and at some point, the time scale starts to strain believability. Like, it’s not as if life could have existed in all of the galaxy’s 13.5 billion years of existence.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2021 12:37:10 GMT
That figure could be fudged if desirable. The average time between cycles would have been very much longer in a galaxy with few garden worlds, since there would be few potentially sapient species. This would imply that most garden worlds are the result of previous cycles' terraforming projects, but the lore supports that.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 17, 2021 13:35:39 GMT
The Reapers should sentient WMDs who go out find other beings (both organic and technological) and recruit them their goal is simple: bring peace to a warring galaxy by wiping out races they deem a threat to peace. They see humans, asari, turians, salarians, krogan, the quarians, the geth, and batarians as the biggest threats to galactic peace. They also would tempt various Specters and other special forces into joining their side. They have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and have the most advance tech, ships and have agents in all the governments and on he Council.
While tough the Reapers can be beaten but they use politics and groups like Cerberus as decoys while they work in the shadows. They have an huge armada of powerful squid liked ships and loyal people that will do anything to bring peace to the galaxy including war and genocide.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 17, 2021 13:47:39 GMT
The Reapers should sentient WMDs who go out find other beings (both organic and technological) and recruit them their goal is simple: bring peace to a warring galaxy by wiping out races they deem a threat to peace. They see humans, asari, turians, salarians, krogan, the quarians, the geth, and batarians as the biggest threats to galactic peace. They also would tempt various Specters and other special forces into joining their side. They have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and have the most advance tech, ships and have agents in all the governments and on he Council.
While tough the Reapers can be beaten but they use politics and groups like Cerberus as decoys while they work in the shadows. They have an huge armada of powerful squid liked ships and loyal people that will do anything to bring peace to the galaxy including war and genocide.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 17, 2021 17:22:36 GMT
A few years ago I made a thread regarding some fixes for Mass Effect in general, things like how to integrate overheat weapon system with thermal clips, removal of Bikini costumes as armor for female characters and some other stuff. I thought now why not change the plot a bit in order to make the game flow a bit better. It's just a personal idea thread, not a request for Bioware to change something or some kind of grand proclamation to the world.Those other items -if I remember did make a lot of sense. I never did like seeing those quirks not being addressed by Bioware. If only it was a remake and not another remaster crap shoved down our throats just so they can get more for the almighty dollar.
That said I have some questions and maybe some advice that can help flesh out a few things that seem confusing and maybe can help in you tweaking:
In Mass Effect Reapers are a relatively typical crazy machine race hellbent on exterminating organics for the sake of some great, unknowable goal that in the end turns out knowable and underwhelming. How would I change them up? When I first played Mass Effect 13 or so years ago the encounter with sovereign made an impression on me of Reapers as a primeval, originally organic race that has reached the apex of organic life but resolved the limitations of it, such as death and aging by "evolving" and uploading themselves into a Matrioshka brain. For those unaware a Matrioshka brain is a sfi-fi megastructure based around a Dyson sphere and using said energy for immense computational capabilities. By uploading themselves and their consciousness into it they are able to, for all intents and purposes become a God of their own world, universe and space. There is no hunger, no boredom, no death, no pain. Each person a "nation", independent of all weakness, capable of experiencing everything thanks to the immense computational power provided by the structure itself. Yet that leaves them at a disadvantage. The entire race is uploaded into a singular location, but is ultimately at the mercy of universe at large. With billions and billions of years to go the only threat to paradise they created comes from other alien races, who over galactic timescales will inevitably attack them if left to their own devices. Please note, since the inevitability of war seems to be a pet peeve for many in regards to organic-synthethic conflict that we are talking about immense timescales. "Just" 90 million years ago most of Europe was underwater, Africa and South America just split off from each other and North America was floating around in two parts. Just 75 years ago Germany waged war on the world as a whole and yet now is one of the best allies of United States. Same with Japan and others. Peace can be made, war can be waged, and there is no guarantee that allies of today will stay as such in mere centuries, nevermind millions of years to come. It is a risk and cost Reapers cannot afford. Ergo, they devised the "harvest' - a 50 000 year cycle in which advanced civilizations are culled and eradicated, and their technological progress collected and added to reapers own, while others are allowed to take their place and develop technology, thus giving reapers both security and scientific perspective of entire civilizations as alternative to their own, thus preventing stagnation. Forgive me if I am wrong but isn't Matrioshka brain actually supposed to be a brain-sphere within a brain-sphere and so on?
No offense this wording implies that the brain exists outside the sphere. So do the Reapers here exist inside the sphere of spheres? Or are they attenuated outside the sphere at equal distant points latitudinal and longitudinally ? The harvest is good though I do have a contention in need of clarification: What if the knowledge that is added to their own is already known or contradicts knowledge already acquired? IE: Reapers acquired the knowledge that stars are burning balls of compressed gasses that are ever combining into denser and denser elements... What if a civilization goes contrary to this and says: The universe is a dual Dyson sphere. The outer Dyson sphere is actually made of pure white-light energy. And the inner Dyson sphere is dark as night. And that stars are actually rips in the inner sphere wall showing the outer sphere. Would the Reapers overcome this easily, disregard it or do they lockup for a million years or so? I'd put Reaper "Homeworld" at the black hole in the center of our galaxy, uploaded to a matrioshka brain ringworld, using the gravitational ability of black holes to slow down time for themselves, thus allowing them to experience a thousand years in a time it takes us to experience one. This would give them advantage in conventional warfare that is simply impossible to overcome, thus justifying the entire "Reapers can't be defeated conventionally" narrative, created in the trilogy but never really explored in detail. So not a Dyson sphere but a ringworld?
Multiple rings or just one? Are they linked in a lattice or individual? Not to mention that they could use the blackhole as a power-source and a defense against the organic races -where time is more a factor in decay. However as THIS points out there would not be much time dilatation for the Reapers beyond one light-year. Granting that the math is correct -seeing as we would need to be there to actually know the size and dimension of Sagittarius-A* Star. I'll add more when I think of it. Adding will only make it already better of an outcome than what we already got. I'd keep the Mass Effect 1 storyline as much as possible with the difference of course being the Reapers "sleeping" in their matrioshka brain rather than dark space between galaxies. The citadel is still a chief Mass Relay allowing for instant and decapitating strike on the center of galacting government and thus of great interest to Reapers to keep open, but ultimately not the end all be all for their ability to come and Harvest. Stopping them from using it simply means buying several years for the galaxy as they travel at regular FTL speeds from the galactic core. Well IF the above Math is indeed correct... I am sorry to believe that it would not take years...
It probably would be weeks or months before they were out wrecking havoc. Unless the alliance found a way to increase the time dilation field or even increase the range of it so the Reapers took longer to get out of it. Like what the Asgard in Stargate SG1 tried to do to the Replicators. Though if they managed to get their tendrils on the device it could become very bad indeed. What I would change however is Reapers method of attacking planets, the citadel and fighting in space. In Space to Space combat instead of firing superheated metal they should use direct energy weaponry, plasma or dark energy arrays. It would explain their ability to destroy ships with ease much better than simple heated Iron and Tungsten. There is no defense for it. Their main weapon is yes super-heated metal and good thing that it is. It takes 45 tons to crush a sample of tungsten -iron though... pfft. Also though it can demolish native ships -the weapon the Reapers use should only be molten tungsten. Liquid tungsten becomes fluid at about 6200*F -the hottest liquid metal above the crust of the earth. Only the alloy tungsten-carbide melts hotter -6400*F or so.
And while energy weapons can produce extreme temperature outputs. Such as plasma or lightning and be in excess 10K *F. To have energy weapons requires energy stores. Stores that will be depleted and will have to be recharged. This is seen to hold true in the Mass Effect Universe as well since the collectors used energy weapons and they need to be recharged...rebattery-iated(?) Reapers are supposed to be formidable and to give them energy weapons would drain energy reserves -giving them a weakness. A weakness the natives organics could exploit. Not to mention it has been done so many times.
IF energy weapons can get around the recharge issue there is another caveat to be conquered: Duration.
As far as I know high temperature energy weapons can't be maintained for long periods do to overheating the surrounding casing. Or overheating the firing lance from which the energy is unleashed from said weapon. And since Mass Effect tries to obey physics for the most part it is safe to say they still have to deal with friction limiting duration.
Though with mass effect fields there probably is a way around that limitation I guess...
So in my opinion longer duration and less heat is more devastating than more heat and less duration... Unless it is a SNIPE: For Planets however I'd make the biggest change. Instead of stomping around and occasionally firing their laser beams the Reapers launch themselves at extreme speeds into the planets surface, embedding themselves deep underground, followed by releasing massive swarms of nanites that disassemble and gather every organic particle on the planet. The "Grey Goo" spreads like a flood, there is no fighting it, no holding it back, it eats and consumes everything, from viruses and bacteria to animals of every kind. Oceans are depleted of life, every tree and strand of grass eaten. A Reaper on a planet means the death of the planet itself. The scene from Collector base repeated in large as Asari, Humans and Turians are disolved in seconds. What remains is grey nanite-organic sludge that is later sucked up into the sky trough massive tendrils and sent for processing. There are no concentration camps organized by Husks and watched over by Mauraders as people go on living their life more or less the same as before Reapers as population is processed. Shouldn't that be the reverse?
Release the nanites and then embed in the planet? Otherwise how do they release the nanites from underground or do the nanites go for the core to blow up the planet? BTW just a thought wouldn't leaving planets' in this state alert the species that came after that many species were attacked by something so devastating? Probably be better to just blow up the star of a sentient civilization after recovering the population for acclimation into the Reaper civilization.
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A few years ago I made a thread regarding some fixes for Mass Effect in general, things like how to integrate overheat weapon system with thermal clips, removal of Bikini costumes as armor for female characters and some other stuff. I thought now why not change the plot a bit in order to make the game flow a bit better. It's just a personal idea thread, not a request for Bioware to change something or some kind of grand proclamation to the world.Those other items -if I remember did make a lot of sense. I never did like seeing those quirks not being addressed by Bioware. If only it was a remake and not another remaster crap shoved down our throats just so they can get more for the almighty dollar.
That said I have some questions and maybe some advice that can help flesh out a few things that seem confusing and maybe can help in you tweaking:
In Mass Effect Reapers are a relatively typical crazy machine race hellbent on exterminating organics for the sake of some great, unknowable goal that in the end turns out knowable and underwhelming. How would I change them up? When I first played Mass Effect 13 or so years ago the encounter with sovereign made an impression on me of Reapers as a primeval, originally organic race that has reached the apex of organic life but resolved the limitations of it, such as death and aging by "evolving" and uploading themselves into a Matrioshka brain. For those unaware a Matrioshka brain is a sfi-fi megastructure based around a Dyson sphere and using said energy for immense computational capabilities. By uploading themselves and their consciousness into it they are able to, for all intents and purposes become a God of their own world, universe and space. There is no hunger, no boredom, no death, no pain. Each person a "nation", independent of all weakness, capable of experiencing everything thanks to the immense computational power provided by the structure itself. Yet that leaves them at a disadvantage. The entire race is uploaded into a singular location, but is ultimately at the mercy of universe at large. With billions and billions of years to go the only threat to paradise they created comes from other alien races, who over galactic timescales will inevitably attack them if left to their own devices. Please note, since the inevitability of war seems to be a pet peeve for many in regards to organic-synthethic conflict that we are talking about immense timescales. "Just" 90 million years ago most of Europe was underwater, Africa and South America just split off from each other and North America was floating around in two parts. Just 75 years ago Germany waged war on the world as a whole and yet now is one of the best allies of United States. Same with Japan and others. Peace can be made, war can be waged, and there is no guarantee that allies of today will stay as such in mere centuries, nevermind millions of years to come. It is a risk and cost Reapers cannot afford. Ergo, they devised the "harvest' - a 50 000 year cycle in which advanced civilizations are culled and eradicated, and their technological progress collected and added to reapers own, while others are allowed to take their place and develop technology, thus giving reapers both security and scientific perspective of entire civilizations as alternative to their own, thus preventing stagnation. Forgive me if I am wrong but isn't Matrioshka brain actually supposed to be a brain-sphere within a brain-sphere and so on?
No offense this wording implies that the brain exists outside the sphere. So do the Reapers here exist inside the sphere of spheres? Or are they attenuated outside the sphere at equal distant points latitudinal and longitudinally ? The harvest is good though I do have a contention in need of clarification: What if the knowledge that is added to their own is already known or contradicts knowledge already acquired? IE: Reapers acquired the knowledge that stars are burning balls of compressed gasses that are ever combining into denser and denser elements... What if a civilization goes contrary to this and says: The universe is a dual Dyson sphere. The outer Dyson sphere is actually made of pure white-light energy. And the inner Dyson sphere is dark as night. And that stars are actually rips in the inner sphere wall showing the outer sphere. Would the Reapers overcome this easily, disregard it or do they lockup for a million years or so? I'd put Reaper "Homeworld" at the black hole in the center of our galaxy, uploaded to a matrioshka brain ringworld, using the gravitational ability of black holes to slow down time for themselves, thus allowing them to experience a thousand years in a time it takes us to experience one. This would give them advantage in conventional warfare that is simply impossible to overcome, thus justifying the entire "Reapers can't be defeated conventionally" narrative, created in the trilogy but never really explored in detail. So not a Dyson sphere but a ringworld?
Multiple rings or just one? Are they linked in a lattice or individual? Not to mention that they could use the blackhole as a power-source and a defense against the organic races -where time is more a factor in decay. However as THIS points out there would not be much time dilatation for the Reapers beyond one light-year. Granting that the math is correct -seeing as we would need to be there to actually know the size and dimension of Sagittarius-A* Star. I'll add more when I think of it. Adding will only make it already better of an outcome than what we already got. I'd keep the Mass Effect 1 storyline as much as possible with the difference of course being the Reapers "sleeping" in their matrioshka brain rather than dark space between galaxies. The citadel is still a chief Mass Relay allowing for instant and decapitating strike on the center of galacting government and thus of great interest to Reapers to keep open, but ultimately not the end all be all for their ability to come and Harvest. Stopping them from using it simply means buying several years for the galaxy as they travel at regular FTL speeds from the galactic core. Well IF the above Math is indeed correct... I am sorry to believe that it would not take years...
It probably would be weeks or months before they were out wrecking havoc. Unless the alliance found a way to increase the time dilation field or even increase the range of it so the Reapers took longer to get out of it. Like what the Asgard in Stargate SG1 tried to do to the Replicators. Though if they managed to get their tendrils on the device it could become very bad indeed. What I would change however is Reapers method of attacking planets, the citadel and fighting in space. In Space to Space combat instead of firing superheated metal they should use direct energy weaponry, plasma or dark energy arrays. It would explain their ability to destroy ships with ease much better than simple heated Iron and Tungsten. There is no defense for it. Their main weapon is yes super-heated metal and good thing that it is. It takes 45 tons to crush a sample of tungsten -iron though... pfft. Also though it can demolish native ships -the weapon the Reapers use should only be molten tungsten. Liquid tungsten becomes fluid at about 6200*F -the hottest liquid metal above the crust of the earth. Only the alloy tungsten-carbide melts hotter -6400*F or so.
And while energy weapons can produce extreme temperature outputs. Such as plasma or lightning and be in excess 10K *F. To have energy weapons requires energy stores. Stores that will be depleted and will have to be recharged. This is seen to hold true in the Mass Effect Universe as well since the collectors used energy weapons and they need to be recharged...rebattery-iated(?) Reapers are supposed to be formidable and to give them energy weapons would drain energy reserves -giving them a weakness. A weakness the natives organics could exploit. Not to mention it has been done so many times.
IF energy weapons can get around the recharge issue there is another caveat to be conquered: Duration.
As far as I know high temperature energy weapons can't be maintained for long periods do to overheating the surrounding casing. Or overheating the firing lance from which the energy is unleashed from said weapon. And since Mass Effect tries to obey physics for the most part it is safe to say they still have to deal with friction limiting duration.
Though with mass effect fields there probably is a way around that limitation I guess...
So in my opinion longer duration and less heat is more devastating than more heat and less duration... Unless it is a SNIPE: For Planets however I'd make the biggest change. Instead of stomping around and occasionally firing their laser beams the Reapers launch themselves at extreme speeds into the planets surface, embedding themselves deep underground, followed by releasing massive swarms of nanites that disassemble and gather every organic particle on the planet. The "Grey Goo" spreads like a flood, there is no fighting it, no holding it back, it eats and consumes everything, from viruses and bacteria to animals of every kind. Oceans are depleted of life, every tree and strand of grass eaten. A Reaper on a planet means the death of the planet itself. The scene from Collector base repeated in large as Asari, Humans and Turians are disolved in seconds. What remains is grey nanite-organic sludge that is later sucked up into the sky trough massive tendrils and sent for processing. There are no concentration camps organized by Husks and watched over by Mauraders as people go on living their life more or less the same as before Reapers as population is processed. Shouldn't that be the reverse?
Release the nanites and then embed in the planet? Otherwise how do they release the nanites from underground or do the nanites go for the core to blow up the planet? BTW just a thought wouldn't leaving planets' in this state alert the species that came after that many species were attacked by something so devastating? Probably be better to just blow up the star of a sentient civilization after recovering the population for acclimation into the Reaper civilization.
No traces of deeds done. Don't know if any of that was helpful but maybe some of it did. Turned more into a critique than I would have liked. You have my condolences.
No, I believe it is at a minimum a planet size supercomputer capable of immense calculations. They exist within the simulation the sphere provides. For all intents and purposes they are living in a virtual world of their own creation with immense capabilities within it. A self controlled Matrix but with greater capability. It wouldn't matter, harvest needs to be done and possibility of acquiring new viewpoints and technology is seen as worthwhile, as well as providing insight into potential future society technologies they may have to contend with. Repeated technologies would ultimately be good since they are already prepared to deal with them. New technologies are good because they expand their own knowledge and allow them to prepare to deal with them in the future. If you asked that of our scientists would they lock up? Neither would they. Depending on the size of the black hole, the larger it is, the closer to it you can get before tidal forces overcome whatever material is holding things together. By using a ringworld it allows the civilization to inhabit the acretion disk of the black holee, providing stable position and enabling them to generate energy by feeding material into the black hole. The extreme cold allows for greater energy value, computation and time dilation would allow them to gain unfair advantage. The time dilation depends on the material they are using, the better it is the closer they can get, thus the bigger the gravitation impact on timespace it is. The time dilation is a localized event, specific to black holes and thus the ringworld the reapers inhabit. The further you are the less it dilates time. That is what makes it powerful. But once they leave the gravitational pull the less time dilation there is until they reach normal timespace and are a subject to normal timespace. For example, this would allow them a thousand years to build whatever they want on their homeworld while a year pases in the galaxy at large. But all that they build would still be subject to regular time once it leaves the area. Same with any newcomers, if Citadel fleets invade the Ringworld they would be subject to time dilation, and from the outside world's perspective it would take forever for anything to happen. Meanwhile the battle is already over and Reapers are building up. It's a bit hard to explain time dilation in short order aside that time itself is subjective to the location. I don't think energy reserves are much of a deal compared to the need to store tungsten in suficient form to hose the molten form of it at enemy ships. They are not firing a 20 kilo slug of tungsten, they are firing miles and miles of liquid tungsten, the sheer weight and mass of it would be astounding, the energy requirement to store it, melt it and launch it would also be astounding. Energy generation compared to that is not too big of a deal in my view. Especially for a civilization at the end of time, capable of mastering black holes for energy generation. I'm sure the embedding doesn't cement and seal the reaper inside, the entry hole is still there. The nanites are released, exiting trough the entry hole. Meanwhile Reaper is more or less safe several kilometers underground spewing nanites and directing them forward. We already have several planets lore wise that state that something removed all organic life from it, from bacteria upward. A big deep hole can be discounted as impact of a mass accelerator weapon long in the past in some ancient war. No worries, love the response
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 17, 2021 18:22:48 GMT
The time dilation is a localized event, specific to black holes and thus the ringworld the reapers inhabit. The further you are the less it dilates time. That is what makes it powerful. But once they leave the gravitational pull the less time dilation there is until they reach normal timespace and are a subject to normal timespace. For example, this would allow them a thousand years to build whatever they want on their homeworld while a year pases in the galaxy at large. But all that they build would still be subject to regular time once it leaves the area. Same with any newcomers, if Citadel fleets invade the Ringworld they would be subject to time dilation, and from the outside world's perspective it would take forever for anything to happen. Meanwhile the battle is already over and Reapers are building up. It's a bit hard to explain time dilation in short order aside that time itself is subjective to the location. I'm sure the embedding doesn't cement and seal the reaper inside, the entry hole is still there. The nanites are released, exiting trough the entry hole. Meanwhile Reaper is more or less safe several kilometers underground spewing nanites and directing them forward. We already have several planets lore wise that state that something removed all organic life from it, from bacteria upward. A big deep hole can be discounted as impact of a mass accelerator weapon long in the past in some ancient war. No worries, love the response Ok.
I think though either I am confused or something weird just occurred to me... Doesn't time dilatation mean that the thing nearest the black hole slows down? Would that not mean that the Reapers would have mere seconds go by while years and decades pass by in the normal flow of galactic time?
The Or am I getting that backward? Maybe a machine that accelerates it fed by the black hole as energy source... Is that what you mean?
That actually does make the Reaper sound foreboding: "What is it doing?" "I don't know maybe looking for gold?" "Why would a space squid want gold?" *Hissing* ...
Yes we do -just a few though. And if the Reapers have been at this for Eons upon eons wouldn't it be a little suspicious to see so many worlds with scars. Not to mention eventually there would be no more worlds life sustaining then what would they do?
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 17, 2021 20:47:27 GMT
The time dilation is a localized event, specific to black holes and thus the ringworld the reapers inhabit. The further you are the less it dilates time. That is what makes it powerful. But once they leave the gravitational pull the less time dilation there is until they reach normal timespace and are a subject to normal timespace. For example, this would allow them a thousand years to build whatever they want on their homeworld while a year pases in the galaxy at large. But all that they build would still be subject to regular time once it leaves the area. Same with any newcomers, if Citadel fleets invade the Ringworld they would be subject to time dilation, and from the outside world's perspective it would take forever for anything to happen. Meanwhile the battle is already over and Reapers are building up. It's a bit hard to explain time dilation in short order aside that time itself is subjective to the location. I'm sure the embedding doesn't cement and seal the reaper inside, the entry hole is still there. The nanites are released, exiting trough the entry hole. Meanwhile Reaper is more or less safe several kilometers underground spewing nanites and directing them forward. We already have several planets lore wise that state that something removed all organic life from it, from bacteria upward. A big deep hole can be discounted as impact of a mass accelerator weapon long in the past in some ancient war. No worries, love the response Ok.
I think though either I am confused or something weird just occurred to me... Doesn't time dilatation mean that the thing nearest the black hole slows down? Would that not mean that the Reapers would have mere seconds go by while years and decades pass by in the normal flow of galactic time?
The Or am I getting that backward? Maybe a machine that accelerates it fed by the black hole as energy source... Is that what you mean?
That actually does make the Reaper sound foreboding: "What is it doing?" "I don't know maybe looking for gold?" "Why would a space squid want gold?" *Hissing* ...
Yes we do -just a few though. And if the Reapers have been at this for Eons upon eons wouldn't it be a little suspicious to see so many worlds with scars. Not to mention eventually there would be no more worlds life sustaining then what would they do?
No. For the thing closest to the black hole time would appear to go on normally. If you were in one you’d never know it or be able to measure it. Time is subjective after all. However if someone was looking from outside inside you’d appear slowed down or moving so slowly that it takes centuries for the slightest movement to register. It doesn’t mean that whatever is inside is slowed or paused, those inside are going about their day normally. It just means time passes much slower for them and thus they can experience more time over given time without noticing it. To illustrate. An entire year passed I citadel space. Looking out into the reaper homeworld they have barely moved, barely a second passed in there from our point of view. Inside however it’s been a thousand years and they’ve managed to build tens of thousands of reapers for the upcoming war at a leaisurely pace of 20 per year. War is part of every society. The aliens inhabiting Milky Way would know there were aliens out there before their time. They’d also know they likely waged war on others and themselves and probably wiped themselves out in the process.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 17, 2021 21:53:29 GMT
The thing is, if a species is so technologically so advanced and evolved it has become a superbrain void of pain, suffering hunger and mortality etc. it would not need destroy potential competition. Say if there was a race becoming so advanced they'd pose a threat to that superbrain in the near future, sharing the technology to get to the same level would prevent war. Any species so advanced would not wage war because it would be illogical and all its needs and desires were fulfilled anyway. In my opinion max technology advancement leads to peace, not war, so sharing it would be the logical approach, not war every 50k years.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 17, 2021 22:04:15 GMT
The thing is, if a species is so technologically so advanced and evolved it has become a superbrain void of pain, suffering hunger and mortality etc. it would not need destroy potential competition. Say if there was a race becoming so advanced they'd pose a threat to that superbrain in the near future, sharing the technology to get to the same level would prevent war. Any species so advanced would not wage war because it would be illogical and all its needs and desires were fulfilled anyway. In my opinion max technology advancement leads to peace, not war, so sharing it would be the logical approach, not war every 50k years. Keep in mind that Logic and Eldritch Abominations doesn't mix very well.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 17, 2021 22:12:45 GMT
The thing is, if a species is so technologically so advanced and evolved it has become a superbrain void of pain, suffering hunger and mortality etc. it would not need destroy potential competition. Say if there was a race becoming so advanced they'd pose a threat to that superbrain in the near future, sharing the technology to get to the same level would prevent war. Any species so advanced would not wage war because it would be illogical and all its needs and desires were fulfilled anyway. In my opinion max technology advancement leads to peace, not war, so sharing it would be the logical approach, not war every 50k years. The problem started with Leviathan. They suffered from politician syndrome, the big head, believing everything and anything they say/do without giving any thought to what the consequences might be. Had they put restrictions/shackles on the intelligence, the harvesting might not have happened.
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