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Post by wavebend on Feb 24, 2021 22:32:38 GMT
I've stuck with EA for so long, but this is just plain stupid. Anthem has so much potential, you can't just can the game after this much effort and give up. WTF? It has all the potential to be the next big thing, it just needed a bit more polish and more content. THAT'S IT. fucks sake.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 24, 2021 22:34:28 GMT
Yeah even Bethesda stuck with Fallout 76 and it was arguably a bigger PR disaster than Anthem.
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Post by 10k on Feb 24, 2021 22:41:25 GMT
What? They cancelled Andromeda, the same way. This is not surprising.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 24, 2021 22:41:30 GMT
I've stuck with EA for so long, but this is just plain stupid. Anthem has so much potential, you can't just can the game after this much effort and give up. WTF? It has all the potential to be the next big thing, it just needed a bit more polish and more content. THAT'S IT. fucks sake. How do you think they get there? By using money, resources, people. That stuff doesn't just grow on trees. To get there would be essentially remaking the entire game. I'm sorry, but you can't make a game with 30 people on this scale. I'm disappointed too, but that's the reality.
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Post by wavebend on Feb 24, 2021 22:47:06 GMT
I've stuck with EA for so long, but this is just plain stupid. Anthem has so much potential, you can't just can the game after this much effort and give up. WTF? It has all the potential to be the next big thing, it just needed a bit more polish and more content. THAT'S IT. fucks sake. How do you think they get there? By using money, resources, people. That stuff doesn't just grow on trees. To get there would be essentially remaking the entire game. I'm sorry, but you can't make a game with 30 people on this scale. I'm disappointed too, but that's the reality. You won't ever make a good game by not taking risks. EA has stopped taking risks. I bet DA4 will be a generic action game that does nothing original.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2021 22:50:32 GMT
How do you think they get there? By using money, resources, people. That stuff doesn't just grow on trees. To get there would be essentially remaking the entire game. I'm sorry, but you can't make a game with 30 people on this scale. I'm disappointed too, but that's the reality. You won't ever make a good game by not taking risks. EA has stopped taking risks. I bet DA4 will be a generic action game that does nothing original. It already is just copying the plot of the last game: "Bunch of outcasts stopping some strange ancient mage who wants to destroy the world to restore his own."
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 24, 2021 23:22:57 GMT
Not to be a jerk but this is good news for DA and ME. I remember when ME was put on ice and MEA didn't get any DLC and one of the reasons they did this way to put time and resources into developing Anthem. I do understand how you feel OP because that is how I felt when MEA was swept under the rug but frankly and selfishly I am happy about Anthem development ceasing because it means DA and ME will get time and resources they need.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2021 23:29:20 GMT
Not to be a jerk but this is good news for DA and ME. I remember when ME was put on ice and MEA didn't get any DLC and one of the reasons they did this way to put time and resources into developing Anthem. I do understand how you feel OP because that is how I felt when MEA was swept under the rug but frankly and selfishly I am happy about Anthem development ceasing because it means DA and ME will get time and resources they need.It means nothing of the sort. After all, did Anthem get the resources it needed after MEA was sacrificed for it? Obviously the answer is no.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Feb 24, 2021 23:35:14 GMT
I am happy about Anthem development ceasing because it means DA and ME will get time and resources they need. Will they though? With the loss of so many veteran devs I wonder. This is a different Bioware. Do they still have the talent to develop games like their gems of the past? A lot riding on DA4.
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Post by wavebend on Feb 24, 2021 23:38:18 GMT
I am happy about Anthem development ceasing because it means DA and ME will get time and resources they need. They cancelled ME:A for Anthem, and they couldn't even get Anthem right. Idk what they're doing over there but they're clearly having some issues
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Post by andydandymandy on Feb 24, 2021 23:52:49 GMT
The game seemed to be Casey Hudson's baby, which is why they spent time and resources on developing it when he was there (including the reboot of it after he came back to run the studio and the game didn't get a good reception at launch), but now that he's gone, not so much.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 0:07:33 GMT
Anthem has so much potential On paper and in the hearts of some of its players perhaps. But it's pretty obvious that much of today's reaction to the news is 'good, kill it'. It's sad when any IP doesn't make it, but this does mean more resources for ME and DA.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 0:12:09 GMT
Anthem has so much potential On paper and in the hearts of some of its players perhaps. But it's pretty obvious that much of today's reaction to the new is 'good, kill it'. It's sad when any IP doesn't make it, but this does mean more resources for ME and DA. Oh? Everywhere I’ve looked it’s been the opposite, with everyone feeling upset and betrayed at the news. This place is the only one that I’ve seen have anyone celebrating it. Oh joy, more resources for the piece of shit DA4.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 0:14:38 GMT
Oh? Everywhere I’ve looked it’s been the opposite, with everyone feeling upset and betrayed at the news. This place is the only one that I’ve seen have anyone celebrating it. Oh joy, more resources for the piece of shit DA4. It's true there is disappointment too but more from the BioWare 'regulars' shall I say that what I would view as the general playerbase. More resources for BioWare's most important and popular franchises in the form of Dragon Age and Mass Effect has to be a good thing in my book.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 0:18:38 GMT
Oh? Everywhere I’ve looked it’s been the opposite, with everyone feeling upset and betrayed at the news. This place is the only one that I’ve seen have anyone celebrating it. Oh joy, more resources for the piece of shit DA4. It's true there is disappointment too but more from the BioWare 'regulars' shall I say that what I would view as the general playerbase. More resources for BioWare's most important and popular franchises in the form of Dragon Age and Mass Effect has to be a good thing in my book. I’m referring to general player base as well, which don’t seem to agree with you. Not when those resources are going to a shitty game like DA4 and probably ME5.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 0:26:49 GMT
I’m referring to general player base as well, which don’t seem to agree with you. Not when those resources are going to a shitty game like DA4 and probably ME5. I'm no pollster (nor are you) so we're seeing the reactions we see. I'm expecting a return to form for ME5 and of course DAI was already a GOTY so DA4 just needs to maintain quality. 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 0:30:19 GMT
I’m referring to general player base as well, which don’t seem to agree with you. Not when those resources are going to a shitty game like DA4 and probably ME5. I'm no pollster (nor are you) so we're seeing the reactions we see. I'm expecting a return to form for ME5 and of course DAI was already a GOTY so DA4 just needs to maintain quality.  Uh huh, sure. Whatever you say. DA4 already ruined DAI and now Anthem. It’s absolute irredeemable shit. And a return to form with ME5 is a downgrade.
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Post by mousestalker on Feb 25, 2021 1:19:40 GMT
DA4 and ME5 will be the bestest games ever!  Ave atque vale Anthem.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 25, 2021 1:24:58 GMT
DA4 and ME5 will be the bestest games ever!  Works for me. 
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Post by wavebend on Feb 25, 2021 1:57:18 GMT
If DA4 turns out shitty I think it's over, transferring more resources to DA4 is the only positive I can think of cancelling a gem like Anthem. Everyone knows Anthem has good gameplay fundamentals, even the most jaded people I know know the flying gameplay is unlike anything else on the market, and the world building has the potential to be fantastic (the Lore behind Anthem allows for crazy things) But EA can't take risks so they'd rather do their yearly FIFA bullshit instead of trying to innovate for once
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Post by Lorn on Feb 25, 2021 2:03:53 GMT
I've stuck with EA for so long, but this is just plain stupid. Anthem has so much potential, you can't just can the game after this much effort and give up. WTF? It has all the potential to be the next big thing, it just needed a bit more polish and more content. THAT'S IT. fucks sake.  Potential? It was universally derided by the entirety of the internet before it even launched!
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Feb 25, 2021 2:25:43 GMT
More resources for BioWare's most important and popular franchises in the form of Dragon Age and Mass Effect has to be a good thing in my book. The development (and cancellation)of MEA and Anthem make it obvious that they have serious management problem and lack of commitment to the player base. More resources are only going to be squandered without clear direction from leadership. Just look at how much resources/time they’ve wasted to redo Anthem multiple times. So far I have seen no sign of their management situation improving for the development of DA4. That’s why I am not optimistic about DA4/ME5 getting more resources. Not to mention they now have no credibility for being able to stick to their own games after abandoning both MEA and Anthem. IMO if a studio has to scrap one project to put more resources into another project, that as well means both projects are in trouble :shrug:
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 25, 2021 2:34:42 GMT
I'd touched on this before, but I felt that regardless of what happened with Anthem, something had to give over at BioWare.
Anthem began at a time when BW still had the Montreal studio and had ~800 people total. Now they're ~550. Even at 800, I felt that in order to juggle 3 AAA franchises (and maintain SWTOR) they would have had to have grown their studios further. Team sizes (and budgets) for AAA games have only gone up, while BW has been shrinking. ~550 is still nothing to sneeze at, but we have to be realistic about how much they can handle. We're also seeing the emergence of a AAAA gaming space with massive team sizes and budgets. Games that BW's will be compared to.
Add to that the other challenges and issues they face, it's too much. If Anthem had done better and they decided to all-in with it, I fully believe it would just be one of the other franchises that got shelved. Likely Mass Effect.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 25, 2021 4:05:37 GMT
I don't blame them. They've sunk a lot of money into this and would have to sink in more with no guarantee of return on that investment.
It basically comes down to how many people will come back to the game after the planned improvements, and if they can make money off of it. If the answers are not many and no, then they need to focus the resources somewhere that will bring in more revenue.
There was barely any hype around Anthem Next, so they really had no choice. It would have been a very poor business decision.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 4:13:38 GMT
It would have been a very poor business decision. So is canceling it. They didn’t earn any points and gave more ammunition with those who didn’t like it, while showing the ones who did BioWare is not to be trusted when it comes to their promises. Congratulations, nobody likes you. What a wonderful position to put yourself in when you want people to give you money.
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