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Post by ahglock on Mar 8, 2021 20:03:45 GMT
So when playing Mass Effect 1 Kaiden is billed as a strong biotic but not super biotic , Liara same, Tali is a tech expert but not world renowned or anything, Ash is a good soldier but not the most soldiery soldier to soldier etc.
Come ME2/3 and all your companions are level 1 legends. Jack, strongest human biotic, Zaeed most bad ass merc of mercs, Kasumi greatest thief of all time, Grunt is krogan perfection etc.
MEA they roll that back a bit, well except cora who can't stop talking about how amazing of a biotic she is. But Liam was just a cop, vetra low rent smuggler, Drak grumpy old soldier, pee bee just annoying.
Which style do you prefer, the back story that your companion is super amazing, or just competent?
For me especially in a level system where we gather the party at fairly low levels I prefer the competent angle, let them potentially grow into legends during your play through. Though even then i'd prefer, we got through on grit, not inherent talent themes.
so in MEN what do you want to see?
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Post by helios969 on Mar 8, 2021 22:23:00 GMT
Which style do you prefer, the back story that your companion is super amazing, or just competent? Just competent with the capacity for growth into super awesome killer of baddies.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Mar 8, 2021 22:30:24 GMT
Good question.
I think I prefer squadmates who are considered good/great or even just 'competent', but I do not think I need squadmates who are the 'best ever'. Although I think it depends a bit on the plot.
Consider: - ME2 was about assembling a team for a 'suicide mission', so you wanted to recruit the best candidates to increase your chance of succeeding. There are some issues with how some squadmates are portrayed perhaps. - ME1 you start with Kaiden and a full Normandy crew since they are already part of the same mission. Later you just sort of end up recruiting a bunch of (mostly?) qualified people along the way. ME1 was about finding and stopping one person, so you did not exactly need the best squad. Only later in the story do you find out you are trying to save the galaxy, but even by that point you do not need the best of the best, just you and a complimentary team.
MEA does have a bit of an ME1 feel where you are recruiting a good group of people but not the best.
I think I am just rambling at this point. Sorry.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2021 22:48:51 GMT
What do I want to see?
- squadmates who can be team players not having the I attitude - squadmates that don't have a history of doing stupid crap, being troublemakers. - squadmates that have positive waves. Having negative waves can lower morale. - squadmates who don't hesitate when facing the enemy. - squadmates who aren't afraid to come up to me with a better solution/idea on how to deal with whatever issue arises during a mission. - squadmates who can put aside stupid crap to focus on the mission. - squadmates who aren't afraid to mention their strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 9, 2021 1:32:52 GMT
What do I want to see? - squadmates who can be team players not having the I attitude - squadmates that don't have a history of doing stupid crap, being troublemakers. - squadmates that have positive waves. Having negative waves can lower morale. - squadmates who don't hesitate when facing the enemy. - squadmates who aren't afraid to come up to me with a better solution/idea on how to deal with whatever issue arises during a mission. - squadmates who can put aside stupid crap to focus on the mission. - squadmates who aren't afraid to mention their strengths and weaknesses. I concur I would like to see squamate's who know my weakness and can fill in the blanks with their strong points and vice /verse I can aide in their weak points with my strong points In my mind that is what team work is all about.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 9, 2021 11:06:10 GMT
Jack is absolutely terrible. Nigh unstoppable Biotic wrecking ball in cutscenes, an almost entirely useless puppy in gameplay.
But to answer the question, I don't really know what I prefer. Solas in DA:I is what I like. The 'I'm just a normal apostate mage... wait, I kid, I'm a god' kindof squadmate.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2021 12:49:43 GMT
So when playing Mass Effect 1 Kaiden is billed as a strong biotic but not super biotic , Liara same, Tali is a tech expert but not world renowned or anything, Ash is a good soldier but not the most soldiery soldier to soldier etc.
Come ME2/3 and all your companions are level 1 legends. Jack, strongest human biotic, Zaeed most bad ass merc of mercs, Kasumi greatest thief of all time, Grunt is krogan perfection etc.
Isn't this just how the respective plots should go? The ME1 sqyadmates were either recruited by chance or already on the ship, while most of the ME2 crew were deliberately chosen.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2021 12:59:36 GMT
Jack is absolutely terrible. Nigh unstoppable Biotic wrecking ball in cutscenes, an almost entirely useless puppy in gameplay. Well, that's got something to do with poor gameplay design in ME2. The gunplay got so much better that we often forget how crappy most biotic abilities are on any real difficulty level, and Jack doesn't have the only decent power. (Warp ammo's OK, but it's not exactly on-brand for an all-powerful biotic bitch.)
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Post by ahglock on Mar 10, 2021 2:32:00 GMT
So when playing Mass Effect 1 Kaiden is billed as a strong biotic but not super biotic , Liara same, Tali is a tech expert but not world renowned or anything, Ash is a good soldier but not the most soldiery soldier to soldier etc.
Come ME2/3 and all your companions are level 1 legends. Jack, strongest human biotic, Zaeed most bad ass merc of mercs, Kasumi greatest thief of all time, Grunt is krogan perfection etc.
Isn't this just how the respective plots should go? The ME1 sqyadmates were either recruited by chance or already on the ship, while most of the ME2 crew were deliberately chosen. I guess that is why in the story it happened. But how would you prefer the story to go, something built around where you are getting for whatever reason the best or more people of opportunity.
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Post by Kyros on Mar 10, 2021 5:04:01 GMT
I want the most polite Krogan in the Universe as a squadmate.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 10, 2021 15:21:24 GMT
I want the most polite Krogan in the Universe as a squadmate. While I am not a fan of the anti-archetype trope I hope you get your wish.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 10, 2021 16:10:23 GMT
Jack is absolutely terrible. Nigh unstoppable Biotic wrecking ball in cutscenes, an almost entirely useless puppy in gameplay. Well, that's got something to do with poor gameplay design in ME2. The gunplay got so much better that we often forget how crappy most biotic abilities are on any real difficulty level, and Jack doesn't have the only decent power. (Warp ammo's OK, but it's not exactly on-brand for an all-powerful biotic bitch.) True. I think biotics are so incredibly shitty in ME2 because in ME1 they were just ridiculously overpowered. Especially on higher levels almost every battle can be trivialised with Lift and Singularity. Biotic Shepard can, by himself, juggle entire groups of enemies indefinitely and never have them touch the ground. A party with biotic Shepard, Kaidan and Liary utterly trivialises the entire game, on any difficulty level.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 10, 2021 18:19:55 GMT
I think I'd prefer a bit of a mix.
I like the dynamic of rookies and the old grizzled veterans. Could also make some sense in terms of gameplay as you recruit some squad mates further into the story and thus they are already higher level (though that does assume some sort of linearity to the recruitment which might not be a given.
But all in all, I like squad mates that are not perfect and that goes even for the more experienced ones. They should have their own weaknesses, be it some form of PTSD or a very fixed mindset which makes them less flexible, things like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 19:16:21 GMT
What do I want to see? - squadmates who can be team players not having the I attitude - squadmates that don't have a history of doing stupid crap, being troublemakers. - squadmates that have positive waves. Having negative waves can lower morale. - squadmates who don't hesitate when facing the enemy. - squadmates who aren't afraid to come up to me with a better solution/idea on how to deal with whatever issue arises during a mission. - squadmates who can put aside stupid crap to focus on the mission. - squadmates who aren't afraid to mention their strengths and weaknesses. I would want the opposite of all that, and kill them all with glee in my face. Mwahahaahha
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Post by LogicGunn on Mar 10, 2021 19:25:53 GMT
It made sense for the companions in ME2 to be the best of the best as they were hand picked by the illusive man.
Generally speaking I'm not fussed if either my PC or their companions are rookie green or seasoned pros or a mixture. I'm cool either way. I would like to play a game where if my characters are seasoned pros then they don't have to build up their skills from scratch and hit the ground running with a wide aray of abilities.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 10, 2021 19:56:34 GMT
Well, that's got something to do with poor gameplay design in ME2. The gunplay got so much better that we often forget how crappy most biotic abilities are on any real difficulty level, and Jack doesn't have the only decent power. (Warp ammo's OK, but it's not exactly on-brand for an all-powerful biotic bitch.) True. I think biotics are so incredibly shitty in ME2 because in ME1 they were just ridiculously overpowered. Especially on higher levels almost every battle can be trivialised with Lift and Singularity. Biotic Shepard can, by himself, juggle entire groups of enemies indefinitely and never have them touch the ground. A party with biotic Shepard, Kaidan and Liary utterly trivialises the entire game, on any difficulty level. Biotics in ME2 are when they are at their best. Shockwave Jacks thing sucked, everything else dope.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 11, 2021 0:28:18 GMT
Isn't this just how the respective plots should go? The ME1 sqyadmates were either recruited by chance or already on the ship, while most of the ME2 crew were deliberately chosen. I guess that is why in the story it happened. But how would you prefer the story to go, something built around where you are getting for whatever reason the best or more people of opportunity. Honestly, I don't see what problem we're trying to solve here. As for ME2 biotics, I don't find anything except Warp to be useful except as a finishing move. Sell me on something else.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2021 2:58:58 GMT
I guess that is why in the story it happened. But how would you prefer the story to go, something built around where you are getting for whatever reason the best or more people of opportunity. Honestly, I don't see what problem we're trying to solve here. As for ME2 biotics, I don't find anything except Warp to be useful except as a finishing move. Sell me on something else. It isn't a problem it is a thematic preference. Do you prefer the story to drive you towards picking up and finding the worlds best whatever for companions, or just competent people of opportunity. For me it just kind of feels silly to always have the most bad ass biotic in the galaxy on my team.
As for biotics, I'm not sure what the issue is its one part in your arsenal. You have a shield stripper with you, they do that, you toss lift, then warp or throw and shit is over. I'll frequently be grabbing a pack so of 3 or 4 and disabling them with one biotic move once a shield stripper does their shit. Or on NG+ or after collecotr ship I shotgun down shields and then lift/throw/warp. On its own singularity also provides a nice stagger effect in ME2 which can clog corridors giving you the time to strip their shields with a SMG or shotgun, they then float and likely explode when you follow it up with warp, which likely strips more shields and knocks people prone. ME2 is where they found the balance of powers to guns, though some DLC guns can break that. And gameplay and thematically I just hate the everything is an explosion system in ME3 and on. I'd of kept biotic explosions to warp, let throw and shockwave do something else when combined with things. Heavy throw on a lifted target was hilarious in ME2, the physics and tossing them off the field was perfect, no explosion needed. MEA it was just annoying since they likely survived and now were 6 miles away from you.
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Post by traks on Mar 11, 2021 13:02:13 GMT
To the topic: competent is fine for me, no need to have the best x in the whole galaxy at every roster spot.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 11, 2021 13:03:13 GMT
Jack is absolutely terrible. Nigh unstoppable Biotic wrecking ball in cutscenes, an almost entirely useless puppy in gameplay. But to answer the question, I don't really know what I prefer. Solas in DA:I is what I like. The 'I'm just a normal apostate mage... wait, I kid, I'm a god' kindof squadmate. Yeah I'm not really suer either. For me I'd rather go with whatever fits the story tbh. As I felt ME1's crew worked well for ME1' s stor yand the same with ME2 tbh I felt
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 11, 2021 13:28:01 GMT
Jack is absolutely terrible. Nigh unstoppable Biotic wrecking ball in cutscenes, an almost entirely useless puppy in gameplay. But to answer the question, I don't really know what I prefer. Solas in DA:I is what I like. The 'I'm just a normal apostate mage... wait, I kid, I'm a god' kindof squadmate. Yeah I'm not reall ysuer either. Fo rm eI'#d rather go with whatever fits the story tbhAs I fel tME1's crew eworked well for ME21' sstor yand the same with ME2 tbh I felt OK, I just have to ask: Are you perpetually drunk or do you type with your face or something?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 11, 2021 14:28:07 GMT
Yeah I'm not reall ysuer either. Fo rm eI'#d rather go with whatever fits the story tbhAs I fel tME1's crew eworked well for ME21' sstor yand the same with ME2 tbh I felt OK, I just have to ask: Are you perpetually drunk or do you type with your face or something? He has a disability. He has mentioned it a couple of times.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 11, 2021 15:05:10 GMT
OK, I just have to ask: Are you perpetually drunk or do you type with your face or something? He has a disability. He has mentioned it a couple of times. Ah, I did not know. My apologies to sjsharp2010
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