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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 27, 2021 20:38:41 GMT
There one problem with your theory. Which is that it is clear in the background where Liara is walking that there is a dead reaper. Hell, I think she is walking on a dead reaper herself. Last I checked, was no reapers in Andromeda galaxy. So if that is Ryder, then that means he/she transported back to the Milky Way which wouldn't make sense cause returning to the milky way would make MEA essentially irrelevant (which I don't mind). Also the "we lost contact" was immediately followed by a Reaper noise and not something related to MEA. And finally there is Liara. Technically as an Asari she could travel to Andromeda in real time and survive the whole journey which would make her about 700 years old. Considering she looks older in the trailer, that could be a possibility. But that also brings up Ryder. If Liara traveled to Andromeda after ME3, 600 years would have passed and by the time she got to Andromeda Ryder would be dead. So no, that image cannot be Ryder. It is possible that ME4 could indeed be a sequel to both ME3 and MEA, but I highly doubt we would be playing as Ryder again. Most likely possibility is that this game takes place hundreds of years into the Milky Way future in which the galaxy is rebuilding. Think of it as a post apocalyptic game but in a space setting. It is indeed a reaper liara walks to, besides the one on the background. That's what the trailer shows. Ryder flies through the mw, and it doesn't make andromeda irrelevant. It seems that both galaxies stories will merge but there's something going on (story related) that it's gonna include both galaxies. The we've lost contact could be from the mw but it's more possible it is andromeda related. The Ai can't communicate with the mw, since they don't know about the reaper attack except Ryder. It could also be about the ark keelah siyah since they couldn't communicate with them. The image is Ryder. Gamble said to a member of the team "But who's on the background? You know but the world doesn't, but can they figure it out, who knows?". This definitely implies it's someone we know. The suit is the Pathfinder one, you'll notice the helmet has full glass, also the collar. Nobody else wore this suit in andromeda, only ryder so it definitely is them. Also the animation director liked a tweet that mentioned this. I don't turn down the possibility to play with a new one, but i don't exclude to play with Ryder either until we see otherwise. Again, you arent accounting for simple logic. If that is Ryder, then how long did it take from him/her to get back to the Milky Way? After all that happened in MEA did Ryder just jump back on an Ark to head back to the milky way? If that is the case...then how does that account for Liara being there? In MEA Liara alone is already around 700 years old since MEA takes place 600 years into the future. So if Ryder came back to the Milky Way, that would be another 600 years. That would put Liara at 1300 years old which to my knowledge, no Asari has such long lifespan. So there, the math just doesnt add up. If Ryder made a return trip back to the Milky Way, Liara would have already been dead for about 300 years but yet there she is. As for the armor looking like pathfinder armor, that could simply be just Bioware going with the art direction for MEA since it is more "modern". Even the N7 Armor that Alec Ryder wore in MEA looked different from that of what Shepard wore.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 27, 2021 20:49:55 GMT
Merging the two galaxies is simply too much. Maybe in the future, a transmission from Andromeda finally reaches some sort of FTL comm buoy. Of course, even Liara wouldn't live to see that, since a return transmission would be hundreds of years on top of the 600 to get to Andromeda in the first place. I recall the lore stating that the communications between Milky Way and Andromeda were via QEC, so they would still be instantaneous. There's even a news story about how the AI hasn't heard from the Milky Way yet. Why would that be news if they didn't expect a reply for 1200 more years? As for traveling, remember one of the long term goals of the AI was to connect the two galaxies, probaly via Mass Relays, so it's definutely within the realm of possibility that MEA characters could meet Liara.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 27, 2021 21:05:54 GMT
Merging the two galaxies is simply too much. Maybe in the future, a transmission from Andromeda finally reaches some sort of FTL comm buoy. Of course, even Liara wouldn't live to see that, since a return transmission would be hundreds of years on top of the 600 to get to Andromeda in the first place. I recall the lore stating that the communications between Milky Way and Andromeda were via QEC, so they would still be instantaneous. There's even a news story about how the AI hasn't heard from the Milky Way yet. Why would that be news if they didn't expect a reply for 1200 more years? As for traveling, remember one of the long term goals of the AI was to connect the two galaxies, probaly via Mass Relays, so it's definutely within the realm of possibility that MEA characters could meet Liara. Was it ever established that there was a QEC pair meant for this purpose? Unless they ignore that bit in the lore, there’s no way to communicate via QEC unless a dedicated point was left behind by the initiative. But, if that was the case, we should’ve gotten that in the first game. As for the relay bridge, that seems like a bit of a stretch to be feasible within the lifespans of our main characters.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 27, 2021 21:07:43 GMT
Merging the two galaxies is simply too much. Maybe in the future, a transmission from Andromeda finally reaches some sort of FTL comm buoy. Of course, even Liara wouldn't live to see that, since a return transmission would be hundreds of years on top of the 600 to get to Andromeda in the first place. As for traveling, remember one of the long term goals of the AI was to connect the two galaxies, probaly via Mass Relays, so it's definutely within the realm of possibility that MEA characters could meet Liara. Key word is "Long Term". I think people are stretching this because some want to see Ryder in this game which is fine, but the logic is not there to support it. When Ryder left the Milky Way, it took 600 years to get to Andromeda. That puts Liara at around 720 years old. For that to be Ryder in the trailer, that would suggest Ryder came back to the Milky Way via Ark. Unless Bioware just does space magic to explain everything, lore has it that it would 600 years again to go back to the Milky Way via an Ark. That would put Liara at 1320 years old which means she would have already been dead. So again, this is why I believe it is inaccurate for one to believe that the image was that of Ryder. If anything it was just some random Alliance dude/human that just happens to be wearing a common armor. Follow the logic. The lifespan math for Liara just does not add up if that is Ryder returning from Andromeda.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 27, 2021 21:25:41 GMT
It is indeed a reaper liara walks to, besides the one on the background. That's what the trailer shows. Ryder flies through the mw, and it doesn't make andromeda irrelevant. It seems that both galaxies stories will merge but there's something going on (story related) that it's gonna include both galaxies. The we've lost contact could be from the mw but it's more possible it is andromeda related. The Ai can't communicate with the mw, since they don't know about the reaper attack except Ryder. It could also be about the ark keelah siyah since they couldn't communicate with them. The image is Ryder. Gamble said to a member of the team "But who's on the background? You know but the world doesn't, but can they figure it out, who knows?". This definitely implies it's someone we know. The suit is the Pathfinder one, you'll notice the helmet has full glass, also the collar. Nobody else wore this suit in andromeda, only ryder so it definitely is them. Also the animation director liked a tweet that mentioned this. I don't turn down the possibility to play with a new one, but i don't exclude to play with Ryder either until we see otherwise. Again, you arent accounting for simple logic. If that is Ryder, then how long did it take from him/her to get back to the Milky Way? After all that happened in MEA did Ryder just jump back on an Ark to head back to the milky way? If that is the case...then how does that account for Liara being there? In MEA Liara alone is already around 700 years old since MEA takes place 600 years into the future. So if Ryder came back to the Milky Way, that would be another 600 years. That would put Liara at 1300 years old which to my knowledge, no Asari has such long lifespan. So there, the math just doesnt add up. If Ryder made a return trip back to the Milky Way, Liara would have already been dead for about 300 years but yet there she is. As for the armor looking like pathfinder armor, that could simply be just Bioware going with the art direction for MEA since it is more "modern". Even the N7 Armor that Alec Ryder wore in MEA looked different from that of what Shepard wore. It has been hinted in andromeda they could travel faster with rem tech in the future. They can achieve a lot of stuff a few years after the events of Andromeda, we've seen already in only a few months they successfully terraformed planets. The full capabilities of the remnant have yet to be explored. If Bioware shows the character for the "art direction" they're gonna go with doesn't make sense but anyways..
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 27, 2021 21:30:30 GMT
Again, you arent accounting for simple logic. If that is Ryder, then how long did it take from him/her to get back to the Milky Way? After all that happened in MEA did Ryder just jump back on an Ark to head back to the milky way? If that is the case...then how does that account for Liara being there? In MEA Liara alone is already around 700 years old since MEA takes place 600 years into the future. So if Ryder came back to the Milky Way, that would be another 600 years. That would put Liara at 1300 years old which to my knowledge, no Asari has such long lifespan. So there, the math just doesnt add up. If Ryder made a return trip back to the Milky Way, Liara would have already been dead for about 300 years but yet there she is. As for the armor looking like pathfinder armor, that could simply be just Bioware going with the art direction for MEA since it is more "modern". Even the N7 Armor that Alec Ryder wore in MEA looked different from that of what Shepard wore. It has been hinted in andromeda they could travel faster with rem tech in the future. They can achieve a lot of stuff a few years after the events of Andromeda, we've seen already in only a few months they successfully terraformed planets. The full capabilities of the remnant have yet to be explored. If Bioware shows the character for the "art direction" they're gonna go with doesn't make sense but anyways.. Well we shall see. With Liara already being 700 years old in MEA, they would need to write in some space magic technology that allows Ryder to travel back (Without aging) to the Milky Way in less than 300 years which is half that of the Arks. And then what? What about Andromeda, does Ryder to abandon everything there and come back to the Milky Way? If so that would really make MEA irrelevant and once of those games that one would just skip over after playing the OT. Or does Ryder travel back and fourth between the Milky Way and Andromeda to fight threats? That would be very convoluted but we shall see. In all honesty, I know this place is very pro MEA so no matter what I say it will be dismissed. But Bioware knows that there is a loyal following for MEA, but they also know that there is a very LARGE anti-MEA crowd out there that made MEA into a meme before it even released. So on a scale of 1 through 10 with OT being 1 and MEA being 10, how close/far would the next ME game be in relation to both? I say 3.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 27, 2021 22:36:39 GMT
The Ai can't communicate with the mw, since they don't know about the reaper attack except Ryder. Why do you believe that? In the memories, there's comms from the turians mentioning the word reaper and there's the alert from Alliance. Both those messages most likely were heard by Gunn as well as the Captains on the other ships. Those messages were not father Ryder specific. Even the one's from t'soni is hard to believe since she and Alec haven't spoken in years. Did t'soni have the specific code or whatever to use to have her messages sent only to big Ryder? Hard to believe Gamble after he tweeted we take players choice seriously when that isn't the case. Whether it's the little one or not, I believe the Andromeda galaxy was shown just to get MEA fans interested in the next game. If they were really going to have Ryder return, why not show a character, either a crewmember or squadmate from MEA, like they showed t'soni? It also could mean they're waiting to see how well the remaster does to see what direction to go. You also mentioned there were no responses when asked if Shepard was returning, did you not? If so, why not say no Shepard instead of not replying?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 28, 2021 0:58:01 GMT
I just assumed that the new game will be using armor designs more in line with Andromeda than the trilogy proper.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 2:21:41 GMT
I recall the lore stating that the communications between Milky Way and Andromeda were via QEC, so they would still be instantaneous. There's even a news story about how the AI hasn't heard from the Milky Way yet. Why would that be news if they didn't expect a reply for 1200 more years? As for traveling, remember one of the long term goals of the AI was to connect the two galaxies, probaly via Mass Relays, so it's definutely within the realm of possibility that MEA characters could meet Liara. As for the relay bridge, that seems like a bit of a stretch to be feasible within the lifespans of our main characters. Ark #6 is gonna find the Reaper relay that connects to the Citadel and tow it to Heleus. It's stupidly improbable, but I bet it happens. That or the Initiative builds its own relay (even more of an asspull, but the whole idea of the magic engine that doesn't need to refuel or to discharge for 600 years was already an asspull). They wouldn't put the Andromeda stuff in the trailer unless they planned on continuing it.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 28, 2021 2:56:56 GMT
As for the relay bridge, that seems like a bit of a stretch to be feasible within the lifespans of our main characters. They wouldn't put the Andromeda stuff in the trailer unless they planned on continuing it. Could be simple misdirection/bait and switch. The first MEA trailer featured a dude that was in N7 armor looking at various locations before choosing one, turning around, and doing a cool guy walk with a gun before a cut to an action sequence in which he was involved in. We knew (or most knew) this wasnt Shepard but we did assume that we would either be playing as this N7 dude/gal in MEA, or this dude/gal would be crucial to the overall MEA story. I mean, why else would they choose to use him in the first trailer? As it turns out, that dude turned out to be Alec Ryder who we werent playing as and who had a very minor role in the plot.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 3:27:21 GMT
They wouldn't put the Andromeda stuff in the trailer unless they planned on continuing it. Could be simple misdirection/bait and switch. The first MEA trailer featured a dude that was in N7 armor looking at various locations before choosing one, turning around, and doing a cool guy walk with a gun before a cut to an action sequence in which he was involved in. We knew (or most knew) this wasnt Shepard but we did assume that we would either be playing as this N7 dude/gal in MEA, or this dude/gal would be crucial to the overall MEA story. I mean, why else would they choose to use him in the first trailer? As it turns out, that dude turned out to be Alec Ryder who we werent playing as and who had a very minor role in the plot. MET stuff (N7 iconography, Shepard, some companions) is well remembered and iconic enough that it has use for marketing purposes irrespective of the content of your ME game. (e.g., the Shepard trailer for MEA) I don't think you can say the same for Andromeda. It has a cult following on here, but 9/10 times I see it referenced (and I see it referenced a small fraction of the time that the MET is) it's with derision. In pop cultural contexts for normies it's the le funny meme face one that was bad, if it's remembered at all. I don't see why they'd reference it unless they plan on continuing it in some fashion. If they didnt plan on continuing it, then all they are accomplishing by referencing it then not following through is making the faction of MEA fans hate them.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 28, 2021 12:28:15 GMT
Hard to believe Gamble after he tweeted we take players choice seriously when that isn't the case. Whether it's the little one or not, I believe the Andromeda galaxy was shown just to get MEA fans interested in the next game. If they were really going to have Ryder return, why not show a character, either a crewmember or squadmate from MEA, like they showed t'soni? It also could mean they're waiting to see how well the remaster does to see what direction to go. You also mentioned there were no responses when asked if Shepard was returning, did you not? If so, why not say no Shepard instead of not replying? If they showed the galaxy for nothing then it's gonna be stupid and gonna make fans really angry, but I don't think they're gonna do that. They have mentioned Andromeda a lot before and now so it seems they are gonna continue it, along with exploring what happened after all these years to the mw. Also stories might merge and something big is gonna happen that it's gonna include both. I don't think they show it for nothing, both the opening shot and liara looking at the crew are key images. Maybe they don't wanna reply because they won't be in the new one at all? Or they might be and they keep it as a surprise, but that's a very small possibility.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 28, 2021 12:36:38 GMT
Could be simple misdirection/bait and switch. The first MEA trailer featured a dude that was in N7 armor looking at various locations before choosing one, turning around, and doing a cool guy walk with a gun before a cut to an action sequence in which he was involved in. We knew (or most knew) this wasnt Shepard but we did assume that we would either be playing as this N7 dude/gal in MEA, or this dude/gal would be crucial to the overall MEA story. I mean, why else would they choose to use him in the first trailer? As it turns out, that dude turned out to be Alec Ryder who we werent playing as and who had a very minor role in the plot. MET stuff (N7 iconography, Shepard, some companions) is well remembered and iconic enough that it has use for marketing purposes irrespective of the content of your ME game. (e.g., the Shepard trailer for MEA) I don't think you can say the same for Andromeda. It has a cult following on here, but 9/10 times I see it referenced (and I see it referenced a small fraction of the time that the MET is) it's with derision. In pop cultural contexts for normies it's the le funny meme face one that was bad, if it's remembered at all. I don't see why they'd reference it unless they plan on continuing it in some fashion. If they didnt plan on continuing it, then all they are accomplishing by referencing it then not following through is making the faction of MEA fans hate them. Not a solid argument there bud. If your argument is that a 5 second shot of Andromeda means the next game will focus on Andromeda....then how do you explain the rest of the trailer that was clearly focused on the OT? Look, again, I understand where I'm at. This place more so than any other online Bioware community likes MEA which is fine. After all, I still remember the arguments I had where trying to convince people in denial that MEA would never get SP DLC because of the reception it had and Bioware wants to just move on. The same people who argued against me then saying I was wrong and that MEA would get DLC cause "EA was satisfied with MEA" and #SaveTheQuarians are the same people arguing now that Ryder will be the main hero in the next ME game. Funny, I remember when it was finally announced that Bioware was moving on from MEA and that the ME brand was put on ice, those same people then moved the goal post by saying, "Well....EA never planned on doing DLC....they always planned on just moving everyone to Anthem...." Yeah, always thought that was funny. But back to this. This seems like another one of those situations. The MEA crowd still holding out hope that Bioware will for whatever reason have a MEA centric sequel despite all the hell MEA gave them in terms of reception and the damage it caused to their reputation. Truth is, unless you are EA/Bioware, nobody can say with 100% certainty which way this ME game will go. I will say this. Bioware knows where their bread and butter is when it comes to Mass Effect. Look at the Bioware Store. Look at all the statuses and what not that has been made for OT characters and then compare that to MEA characters. Look at the best sellers....NOTHING MEA related. All items are related to the OT with NOT ONE item in the store related just to MEA. That should tell you something in terms of what Bioware knows what sells. And before you come and say, "Well....they are about to release the LE so of course the focus is on the OT" well, even before the LE announcement the store remained largely OT focused with many a few MEA items here and there. Plus the LE release IMO is calculated. The LE will introduce ME to a new set of fans and yet again, these new fans will experience ME with a OT focused mindset of seeing Shepard, N7, Liara, Reapers and so on....pretty much OT focused stuff. They will also have seen the user/professional review scores for MEA. So IMO, while the new ME game will mention and draw some parallels to MEA, I believe the game will be heavily leaning to that of the OT because like the Bioware Store, Bioware knows where MAJORITY of their fanbase is at and with the release of the LE, even more fans will be OT fans. I look forward to seeing how this place once again moves the goal post after being wrong yet again when it is revealed that the new game will not feature Ryder as the hero and will not be as MEA centric as they hopedit would be.... #SaveTheQuarians
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 28, 2021 13:03:20 GMT
Yep. I am still convinced someone at BioWare needs to have their head examined for releasing this "teaser". it wasn't a teaser, but instead something that tells us absolutely nothing aside from what we as an individual want to see in it. Everything that people have determined here are based on their interpretations of what they saw in a short trailer. Even the first minute of the trailer is nothing but a condensed history of the Mass Effect Universe. So now people are convincing themselves about main characters and location based on 30 seconds of a CGI trailer.
Just don't blame BioWare when whatever interpretation isn't what you think BioWare demonstrated. For I could even be wrong about the first minute.
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I just want to add there is a good chance anything that is shown in that trailer will have absolutely nothing to do with the next game for I doubt they are even past the prototyping aspect of the game since they are working on Dragon Age right now. So this was probably just someone in BioWare or even a contracted out job to make some trailer for "see look, we are still putting money towards a new game folks".
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 28, 2021 13:31:54 GMT
Merging the two galaxies is simply too much. Maybe in the future, a transmission from Andromeda finally reaches some sort of FTL comm buoy. Of course, even Liara wouldn't live to see that, since a return transmission would be hundreds of years on top of the 600 to get to Andromeda in the first place.
Well most real world scientists believe that the MWG and the Andromeda Galaxy will merge (or that Andromeda will consume the MWG) in a few billion or a trillion years from now. That would be interesting story for a video game.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 14:32:34 GMT
MET stuff (N7 iconography, Shepard, some companions) is well remembered and iconic enough that it has use for marketing purposes irrespective of the content of your ME game. (e.g., the Shepard trailer for MEA) I don't think you can say the same for Andromeda. It has a cult following on here, but 9/10 times I see it referenced (and I see it referenced a small fraction of the time that the MET is) it's with derision. In pop cultural contexts for normies it's the le funny meme face one that was bad, if it's remembered at all. I don't see why they'd reference it unless they plan on continuing it in some fashion. If they didnt plan on continuing it, then all they are accomplishing by referencing it then not following through is making the faction of MEA fans hate them. If your argument is that a 5 second shot of Andromeda means the next game will focus on Andromeda....then how do you explain the rest of the trailer that was clearly focused on the OT? That's not my argument at all (literally two posts above I predicted they'd merge the two galaxies and settings), but go off. The trailer also has obviously Angara filter voices, and MEA armor designs on the 3 characters at the end. It's not as small a role in the presentation as you are implying. Mind you I'm not an MEA fan. I prefer the trilogy setting (even with how bad ME3 is), so this prediction isn't wishful thinking on my part. It's simply my read based on what was presented to me. But I don't wish to belabor the point further. It's all just wild speculation at this point anyway.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 28, 2021 14:44:26 GMT
I am in the camp like Sanunes that odds are they have done so little on the game the trailer means effectively nothing.
Everything there can later be argued to be a metaphor for what is in the game like how English teachers find a metaphor in every line of Shakespeare. Like if they decide to go full MW the 5 seconds in the Andromeda galaxy as the screen flies to the MW could just be them saying they moved the story to the MW, if they put a bunch of Andromeda stuff with the MW in the game they will say it was because they were saying it was connected and if there is no MW just Andromeda stuff they will make something up like we were showing the origin and core of the story was in Andromeda but we were not going to forget where the story came from. They have no or little idea where they are going with this game they will tie it into this bullshit teaser with lies later.
That being said I suspect odds are they will go back to the MW just due to how Andromeda was revived in comparison to the trilogy. Either way though releasing this teaser was a mistake IMO, it may have built up hype but its going to piss off a bunch of people no matter what the game is since it built up hope with vague nonsense so people see what they want to see and then will dash it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 30, 2021 1:43:53 GMT
MET stuff (N7 iconography, Shepard, some companions) is well remembered and iconic enough that it has use for marketing purposes irrespective of the content of your ME game. (e.g., the Shepard trailer for MEA) I don't think you can say the same for Andromeda. It has a cult following on here, but 9/10 times I see it referenced (and I see it referenced a small fraction of the time that the MET is) it's with derision. In pop cultural contexts for normies it's the le funny meme face one that was bad, if it's remembered at all. I don't see why they'd reference it unless they plan on continuing it in some fashion. If they didnt plan on continuing it, then all they are accomplishing by referencing it then not following through is making the faction of MEA fans hate them. #SaveTheQuarians Jazz if you're gonna return, it's best not to do bait like that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2021 3:08:35 GMT
Yep. I am still convinced someone at BioWare needs to have their head examined for releasing this "teaser". it wasn't a teaser, but instead something that tells us absolutely nothing aside from what we as an individual want to see in it. Everything that people have determined here are based on their interpretations of what they saw in a short trailer. Even the first minute of the trailer is nothing but a condensed history of the Mass Effect Universe. So now people are convincing themselves about main characters and location based on 30 seconds of a CGI trailer. Just don't blame BioWare when whatever interpretation isn't what you think BioWare demonstrated. For I could even be wrong about the first minute. Edit: I just want to add there is a good chance anything that is shown in that trailer will have absolutely nothing to do with the next game for I doubt they are even past the prototyping aspect of the game since they are working on Dragon Age right now. So this was probably just someone in BioWare or even a contracted out job to make some trailer for "see look, we are still putting money towards a new game folks". BioWare’s definitely put itself in a sticky spot with this teaser, and I feel like they’ve already set themselves up for a lot of fan backlash. I’m starting to lean on the prediction that Liara might only be a brief NPC in a prologue cinematic, and she vanishes from the rest of the game due to some fast forward in time where we basically get our Milky Way soft reboot of some sort. Personally this is the route I’d also prefer since that would drop a heck of a lot of baggage, but I just know it’ll piss people off.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 30, 2021 3:19:22 GMT
Yep. I am still convinced someone at BioWare needs to have their head examined for releasing this "teaser". it wasn't a teaser, but instead something that tells us absolutely nothing aside from what we as an individual want to see in it. Everything that people have determined here are based on their interpretations of what they saw in a short trailer. Even the first minute of the trailer is nothing but a condensed history of the Mass Effect Universe. So now people are convincing themselves about main characters and location based on 30 seconds of a CGI trailer. Just don't blame BioWare when whatever interpretation isn't what you think BioWare demonstrated. For I could even be wrong about the first minute. Edit: I just want to add there is a good chance anything that is shown in that trailer will have absolutely nothing to do with the next game for I doubt they are even past the prototyping aspect of the game since they are working on Dragon Age right now. So this was probably just someone in BioWare or even a contracted out job to make some trailer for "see look, we are still putting money towards a new game folks". BioWare’s definitely put itself in a sticky spot with this teaser, and I feel like they’ve already set themselves up for a lot of fan backlash. I’m starting to lean on the prediction that Liara might only be a brief NPC in a prologue cinematic, and she vanishes from the rest of the game due to some fast forward in time where we basically get our Milky Way soft reboot of some sort. Personally this is the route I’d also prefer since that would drop a heck of a lot of baggage, but I just know it’ll piss people off. Personally I think no matter what BioWare does people are going to be pissed off. That is the unfortunate thing all around. If they didn't release the video showcasing they are making a new Mass Effect game the narration would be instead of the content of the video instead it would be about how BioWare has abandoned Mass Effect. If they didn't show any characters like an Asari that looks like Liara the narrative would stringing us along. I still think it was a mistake and it would have been better if they just didn't show anything until closer to release, but they feel they are obligated to keep us informed regardless of how much it has burned them in the past such as with Inquisition and the content that had to be cut to avoid a Cyberpunk 2077 or worse.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 30, 2021 4:46:13 GMT
I’m starting to lean on the prediction that Liara might only be a brief NPC in a prologue cinematic, and she vanishes from the rest of the game due to some fast forward in time where we basically get our Milky Way soft reboot of some sort I'd bet against it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2021 5:53:01 GMT
I’m starting to lean on the prediction that Liara might only be a brief NPC in a prologue cinematic, and she vanishes from the rest of the game due to some fast forward in time where we basically get our Milky Way soft reboot of some sort I'd bet against it. Either way I’m keeping my expectations pretty low. The thing I’m anticipating most at this point is the inevitable avalanche of bitching to follow whatever it is they finally reveal.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2021 7:03:25 GMT
I suppose this is probably my own Anti Liara bias speaking but I don't really think Liara will have a big role and well I think her role will be pretty small whereas Varric could almost be anything in the next game...well probably not a full companion again in his case.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 30, 2021 7:39:32 GMT
I suppose this is probably my own Anti Liara bias speaking but I don't really think Liara will have a big role and well I think her role will be pretty small whereas Varric could almost be anything in the next game...well probably not a full companion again in his case. In my head i'm expecting her role to be similar to Morrigan in inquisition.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2021 7:45:49 GMT
I suppose this is probably my own Anti Liara bias speaking but I don't really think Liara will have a big role and well I think her role will be pretty small whereas Varric could almost be anything in the next game...well probably not a full companion again in his case. In my head i'm expecting her role to be similar to Morrigan in inquisition. I just hope she is just marketing bait and we do not see her in the actual game but that would probably be a bridge too far lol.
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