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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 2, 2021 3:04:46 GMT
Now, I know this has been out since last year but I only came across the trailer today and I am so hyped!
I wanted to see a (somewhat modernized) interpretation of the Foundation books on screen ever since I read them years ago. And what we see in the trailer actually looks very very cool to me. Yea, ok, it's Apple TV which no one ever wanted or has but still. I am just glad someone is doing it.
Also, it's already supposed to be out this summer (the teaser came out last June, so after COVID was already a thing). So that makes me even more hyped. Can't wait to see it!
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 6, 2021 10:51:53 GMT
I always thought, that the Foundation books were impossible to film, but we'll see. The biggest problem being, IMHO, that the timeline is so vast. In the "Trilogy" Hari Seldon dies in 3 FE, 200 years before Bel Riose, and 300 years before The Mule emerges. Do we know if it covers all the books or just the Trilogy? Edit: That was weird. There was some guy at the door who gave me this slip of paper that says: "It's going to cover pieces of all the books." Huh, I guess we know now.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 7, 2021 18:03:03 GMT
I always thought, that the Foundation books were impossible to film, but we'll see. The biggest problem being, IMHO, that the timeline is so vast. In the "Trilogy" Hari Seldon dies in 3 FE, 200 years before Bel Riose, and 300 years before The Mule emerges. Do we know if it covers all the books or just the Trilogy? Edit: That was weird. There was some guy at the door who gave me this slip of paper that says: "It's going to cover pieces of all the books." Huh, I guess we know now. Yea, I am also super curious how they will deal with the vast time line and all the shifting characters. That's part of the fun IMO.
I am also very happy they are finally doing a scifi series in a really REALLY far future. Most SciFi shows are a couple of hundred years forward, so it's all fairly closely related to today (yea, we got space ships now and intelligent computers but otherwise, it's fairly relatable). Goign that far forward (what is it? 10.000 years) gives it almost a fantasy vibe (as per Clarke's third law). And the teaser looks like they are going for that as well which is cool.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 8, 2021 9:49:04 GMT
Yea, I am also super curious how they will deal with the vast time line and all the shifting characters. That's part of the fun IMO.
I am also very happy they are finally doing a scifi series in a really REALLY far future. Most SciFi shows are a couple of hundred years forward, so it's all fairly closely related to today (yea, we got space ships now and intelligent computers but otherwise, it's fairly relatable). Goign that far forward (what is it? 10.000 years) gives it almost a fantasy vibe (as per Clarke's third law). And the teaser looks like they are going for that as well which is cool.
I totally agree. They've got their work cut out for them: They need to depict an ultra modern society and way of life without looking campy while doing it. And their source material is at times slow paced and eventless; they are going to need a pretty good script to make up for it. Here's hoping they succeed.
Foundation's entire timeline is a bit hazy to me. Galactic Empire's hay day is somewhere around 11k GE. I'm not sure, but I think that it is maybe 23k AD. And yeah, I'd say Foundation lies firmly in the Science Fantasy -department.
My biggest hope is, that they manage to portray the Foundation itself properly, and that they bury those big reveals so deep that anyone who hasn't read the books has no idea about them before they happen. And of course, that Psychohistory comes out as a believable means of predicting things to come.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 8, 2021 13:33:00 GMT
Interesting, I enjoyed the Foundation series when I read them in middle school. One question I have is how much are they planning on going with this season? Like others have said, it's a while before characters like the Mule show up and if you spend too much time in one area of the setting history people might not like it when the narrative takes a time jump and all those connections with those characters are just gone. When will we get to learn about the Zero-th law of Robotics I wonder?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Apr 9, 2021 18:39:28 GMT
😑 "Based upon the Isaac Asimov trilogy". Somehow, I wonder what that will end up meaning.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 9, 2021 19:20:48 GMT
Interesting, I enjoyed the Foundation series when I read them in middle school. One question I have is how much are they planning on going with this season? Like others have said, it's a while before characters like the Mule show up and if you spend too much time in one area of the setting history people might not like it when the narrative takes a time jump and all those connections with those characters are just gone. When will we get to learn about the Zero-th law of Robotics I wonder? Yea, those are all very good questions. It has been a while since I read the books but the teaser to me seems to focus very much on the very beginning of the first book. We see a lot of Trantor, Hari Seldon and Gaal Dornick I believe. If that is where they start it off, I think they really would need to do a few time jumps to go to the different Seldon crisis points throughout the series. I can't really see a way around it. Then of course, the question becomes, how will they do it. I could see something that goes into the direction that Cloud Atlas did (IMO a flawed but still very cool movie) but we'll have to wait and see.
On a different note: I would be happy 9and indeed I kinda want this) if they'd take great liberties with the tech stuff. IMO, as far as the tech goes, they can throw most of the original out and do their own thing. Having "atomic" be the applied Phlebotinum in this universe may have worked in the 1940s and 50s but they should just scrap it and replace it with something a little more modern (you could just exchange the word "atomic" for "quantum" if you were really lazy ).Anyway, that's the other thing I am curious about, how they'll depict the tech side of things.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 10, 2021 11:58:44 GMT
😑 "Based upon the Isaac Asimov trilogy". Somehow, I wonder what that will end up meaning. I tired to google this, but couldn't find anything solid. I'm pretty sure that by "trilogy" they mean the compiled books, Foundation, Foundation and Empire, and Second Foundation. I'm also fairly sure they will use suitable parts of the books Asimov wrote later, since they add action; something a tv-series badly needs.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 10, 2021 12:13:58 GMT
Yea, those are all very good questions. It has been a while since I read the books but the teaser to me seems to focus very much on the very beginning of the first book. We see a lot of Trantor, Hari Seldon and Gaal Dornick I believe. If that is where they start it off, I think they really would need to do a few time jumps to go to the different Seldon crisis points throughout the series. I can't really see a way around it. Then of course, the question becomes, how will they do it. I could see something that goes into the direction that Cloud Atlas did (IMO a flawed but still very cool movie) but we'll have to wait and see.
On a different note: I would be happy 9and indeed I kinda want this) if they'd take great liberties with the tech stuff. IMO, as far as the tech goes, they can throw most of the original out and do their own thing. Having "atomic" be the applied Phlebotinum in this universe may have worked in the 1940s and 50s but they should just scrap it and replace it with something a little more modern (you could just exchange the word "atomic" for "quantum" if you were really lazy ).Anyway, that's the other thing I am curious about, how they'll depict the tech side of things. That would be just... nope. But yeah, it will be tricky to make the timeline work.
Or they could just ignore the tech altogether. The tech jargon works in the books, but people don't really talk like that about tech. They could just say "I have disable your battlecruiser" Instead of "I have disabled your battlecruiser with an ultrawave relay". These are not exact quotes, but you get the meaning.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 10, 2021 16:40:36 GMT
Yea, those are all very good questions. It has been a while since I read the books but the teaser to me seems to focus very much on the very beginning of the first book. We see a lot of Trantor, Hari Seldon and Gaal Dornick I believe. If that is where they start it off, I think they really would need to do a few time jumps to go to the different Seldon crisis points throughout the series. I can't really see a way around it. Then of course, the question becomes, how will they do it. I could see something that goes into the direction that Cloud Atlas did (IMO a flawed but still very cool movie) but we'll have to wait and see.
On a different note: I would be happy 9and indeed I kinda want this) if they'd take great liberties with the tech stuff. IMO, as far as the tech goes, they can throw most of the original out and do their own thing. Having "atomic" be the applied Phlebotinum in this universe may have worked in the 1940s and 50s but they should just scrap it and replace it with something a little more modern (you could just exchange the word "atomic" for "quantum" if you were really lazy ).Anyway, that's the other thing I am curious about, how they'll depict the tech side of things. That would be just... nope. But yeah, it will be tricky to make the timeline work. I dunno. To be honest, it's pretty much the only movie I can think of that dealt with this kind of massive time span and different states of civilization. In any case, I am very curious what they'll do.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 10, 2021 19:40:22 GMT
I am familiar with Isaac Asimov and this Trilogy of his, but more familar with "I, Robot" and other robotics-centered novels. But I just watched the trailer and the sprawling scope reminds me very much of the original 6 hour DUNE miniseries that I watched in late October of 1989 (Dean Stockwell, Linda Hunt, Patrick Stewart, Max Von Sydow) or the grandness of old Biblical Epics like (the one, original and only version of) Ben-Hur and The Ten Commandments. I like the older movies of that era because the props and set pieces were massive and they gave the movies a grand sense of scale.
The trailer for "Foundation" also gave me that feeling. It's just too bad that I don't have any apple products to be able to subscribe to Apple TV....Not that we would have Apple products in our house. Unless we are talking about the fruit, the word "Apple" is a faux pas in our house.
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Post by skekSil on Apr 11, 2021 16:33:25 GMT
original 6 hour DUNE miniseries that I watched in late October of 1989 (Dean Stockwell, Linda Hunt, Patrick Stewart, Max Von Sydow) Sorry if I look like Im stalking you in every thread to correct your mistakes, but this is Lynch's Dune and it never was longer than 3 hours in any of its edits. I doubt even 2000s TV-miniseries was that long.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 11, 2021 17:57:38 GMT
original 6 hour DUNE miniseries that I watched in late October of 1989 (Dean Stockwell, Linda Hunt, Patrick Stewart, Max Von Sydow) Sorry if I look like Im stalking you in every thread to correct your mistakes, but this is Lynch's Dune and it never was longer than 3 hours in any of its edits. I doubt even 2000s TV-miniseries was that long. Stalker! (kidding).....I don't mind the corrections. Well, however long it actually was....It was considerably longer than the 2 hour movie version that is out on the market. And it was way back in 1989 that I watched it, so I can't remember exactly to the minute how long it was-- I was only 7 years old at the time and running on zero sleep, so it is very possible that it was only 3 hours and maybe just felt longer. All I remember is the cast and that it seemed to be more detailed than the 2 hour hack job of a movie that is presently available on the market. Heck, I was lucky to find a version of the DUNE on blu-ray that was 2h and 15 minutes.....And it was mostly what I remember as a kid. But again, it was over 30 years ago so there is the better chance that my memory of it is fuzzy. My point to that comment however was about the scale and the scope of Foundation and the very sci-fi look of it reminded me of DUNE and what I thought of it as a child, first seeing it at the age of 7. However, I found something on IMDB that fits more in-line with what I am remembering from my childhood: "Theatrical version is 137 minutes long; TV version seen both in syndication and on most cable networks, prepared under protest from (and eventually disowned by) director David Lynch, is approx. 176 minutes long (minus commercials) and features outtakes, additional footage, test close-up shots of certain actors, and even fabricated (i.e. "cheated") footage (made up of repeated stock footage from certain points in the film to make it appear that footage had been added--one reason why Lynch took his name off the credits of the TV version). The TV print credits 'Alan Smithee' as director. Whereas the theatrical release features a brief introductory narration spoken by Princess Irulan, the TV version has a longer spoken introduction by an uncredited male narrator, with still paintings and drawings used to bring the viewer up to speed on the story. The TV version (which has been released on Japanese LaserDisc and overseas DVDs) has additional footage of the Fremen that lacks the blue color in their eyes, indicating that the scenes were cut before special f/x were added." (cited from www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/alternateversions retrieved on April 11th 2021 at 1:58 p.m. ET)
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 16, 2021 6:42:52 GMT
I am familiar with Isaac Asimov and this Trilogy of his, but more familar with "I, Robot" and other robotics-centered novels. But I just watched the trailer and the sprawling scope reminds me very much of the original 6 hour DUNE miniseries that I watched in late October of 1989 (Dean Stockwell, Linda Hunt, Patrick Stewart, Max Von Sydow) or the grandness of old Biblical Epics like (the one, original and only version of) Ben-Hur and The Ten Commandments. I like the older movies of that era because the props and set pieces were massive and they gave the movies a grand sense of scale. The trailer for "Foundation" also gave me that feeling. It's just too bad that I don't have any apple products to be able to subscribe to Apple TV....Not that we would have Apple products in our house. Unless we are talking about the fruit, the word "Apple" is a faux pas in our house. I believe it does work on Win10. But I admit, this is going to be problem for me as well; for a tinkerer like me Apple is an abomination.
edit: Apparently it works on Google TV too: Techradar
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 19, 2021 5:07:53 GMT
I can't believe it... They finally created the greatest monstrosity the human race will ever see. If your gonna put something on the screen -especially something from a book series -a good one at that. One thing we know is stay true to the source material.
Which means Oh I don't know... how about DON'T BE CHANGING DR. GALL DORNICK's gender... Unless that one meeting with him isn't Dr. Gaal Dornick then forget it. As a matter of fact forget it all. Since I won't be watching this ABOMINATION. Ok ranting through go back to your originally scheduled mondaine days.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 19, 2021 7:58:44 GMT
I can't believe it... They finally created the greatest monstrosity the human race will ever see. If your gonna put something on the screen -especially something from a book series -a good one at that. One thing we know is stay true to the source material. Which means Oh I don't know... how about DON'T BE CHANGING DR. GALL DORNICK's gender... Unless that one meeting with him isn't Dr. Gaal Dornick then forget it. As a matter of fact forget it all. Since I won't be watching this ABOMINATION. Ok ranting through go back to your originally scheduled mondaine days. It's one thing to rant; fine by me, be my guest. But please leave a link, so I can read about it myself. There's hardly any information online about the show.
edit: Wait, is that Gaal in the trailer? I think it might be and that would explain your post.
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Post by TopTrog on Apr 19, 2021 17:59:03 GMT
Now, I know this has been out since last year but I only came across the trailer today and I am so hyped!
I wanted to see a (somewhat modernized) interpretation of the Foundation books on screen ever since I read them years ago. And what we see in the trailer actually looks very very cool to me. Yea, ok, it's Apple TV which no one ever wanted or has but still. I am just glad someone is doing it.
Also, it's already supposed to be out this summer (the teaser came out last June, so after COVID was already a thing). So that makes me even more hyped. Can't wait to see it!
Now that is some seriously exciting news and a quite ambitious project. I am eager to see what they have come up with. And Jared Harris as Seldon should be good, so bring it on . With regards to the young lady appearing in the teaser trailer, my guess is that she is Wanda Seldon.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 19, 2021 18:05:24 GMT
I can't believe it... They finally created the greatest monstrosity the human race will ever see. If your gonna put something on the screen -especially something from a book series -a good one at that. One thing we know is stay true to the source material. Which means Oh I don't know... how about DON'T BE CHANGING DR. GALL DORNICK's gender... Unless that one meeting with him isn't Dr. Gaal Dornick then forget it. As a matter of fact forget it all. Since I won't be watching this ABOMINATION. Ok ranting through go back to your originally scheduled mondaine days. It's one thing to rant; fine by me, be my guest. But please leave a link, so I can read about it myself. There's hardly any information online about the show.
edit: Wait, is that Gaal in the trailer? I think it might be and that would explain your post. Yea, I think that's what Temporal Vanguardian means.
Well, I for one don't have as much trouble with a kind of re-interpretation as I wrote before. I can see how it would be difficult not to change anything. And honestly, even if they change the gender of Gaal (and I agree with him that the girl is most likely Gaal's equivalent in the series), at least from what I do remember of the books, I don't see much of a problem with it.They obviously wouldn't have to do it but I don't see anything particularly negative or plot-disturbing about it either.
But then again, I disagree with the notion that adaptations always need to adhere to the source material as closely as possible. I already know the source material after all and I can always go back and read it if i like. With the adaptation, I am to an extent also curious to see what interpretation the show runners take on it.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 20, 2021 5:19:12 GMT
It's one thing to rant; fine by me, be my guest. But please leave a link, so I can read about it myself. There's hardly any information online about the show. edit: Wait, is that Gaal in the trailer? I think it might be and that would explain your post. Yea, I think that's what Temporal Vanguardian means. Well, I for one don't have as much trouble with a kind of re-interpretation as I wrote before. I can see how it would be difficult not to change anything. And honestly, even if they change the gender of Gaal (and I agree with him that the girl is most likely Gaal's equivalent in the series), at least from what I do remember of the books, I don't see much of a problem with it.They obviously wouldn't have to do it but I don't see anything particularly negative or plot-disturbing about it either.
But then again, I disagree with the notion that adaptations always need to adhere to the source material as closely as possible. I already know the source material after all and I can always go back and read it if i like. With the adaptation, I am to an extent also curious to see what interpretation the show runners take on it.
Just in case don't want to read a wall of text I will condense into 4 issues: Issue 1: Yes. That is what I mean. What insipid fool thought it would be a good thing to have a "newbie" portray Gaal? Look at her IMDB -if that horrid site is to be believed -Just two movies under her belt. And as far as I am concerned not even good ones. One isn't even out yet but sounds like a propaganda indoctrination movie. The other I have heard referred to as Lord of the Flies in space.
Though horribly done and nothing like that movie I doubt I would understand the plot behind it -if I even were to watch it.
Issue 2:
While gender swapping may not seem that bad of a plot-point issue to you... To me however it opens the genetic bomb: In my opinion they will make Gaal somehow related to Saldon. Be it daughter, wife, younger sister or something else. They better not mess with Dors Venabili and leave her alone though.
It has been done before. Never good path and I see it coming.
If they see this and avoid this -then bravo. Yet I can just feel that itch heading this way and I don't like it.
Issue 3:
The old story of Icarus has validity here: "Venture to close to the sun and you burn". Well it implies the opposite: Venture to far from your root material and you will get burned as well.
The phrase I dread hearing in any context:"Well we have ventured this far... guess we can go a little further."
This has caused some horrid disasters with book-to-media in the past. The best train wreck is that 2018 Mortal Engines movie. The first half of the movie is "close" -not dead on accurate but close to the book. After they get flung off the platform -the movie goes off the rails into stupidity and idiocy!
The best accurate book to tv/movie I have seen is a toss up between Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia. Issue 4:
Not to mention not everyone is going to know the source material that watches it and may take the show as gospel.
The thing I dread is someone calling Asimov a liar against his own work! I didn't ever think I would see the day where Asimov would be turning in his grave.
My apologies for my brusqueness. I am an avid... no devoted... no I am an Obsessed fan of Asimov's Foundation series.
I read my first when I was 12 and I read every single one in the series thereafter.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 20, 2021 5:19:34 GMT
I can't believe it... They finally created the greatest monstrosity the human race will ever see. If your gonna put something on the screen -especially something from a book series -a good one at that. One thing we know is stay true to the source material. Which means Oh I don't know... how about DON'T BE CHANGING DR. GALL DORNICK's gender... Unless that one meeting with him isn't Dr. Gaal Dornick then forget it. As a matter of fact forget it all. Since I won't be watching this ABOMINATION. Ok ranting through go back to your originally scheduled mondaine days. It's one thing to rant; fine by me, be my guest. But please leave a link, so I can read about it myself. There's hardly any information online about the show.
edit: Wait, is that Gaal in the trailer? I think it might be and that would explain your post.
My appologies for ranting... They can destroy Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, DC-a-verse, Marvel-a-verse and even Macgyver... But destroying the lore of Issiac Asimov's classic series... No. That is where:
That said... I was able to deduce this myself by looking at the trailer with no need of third party information. By the actions and what is said and who says it alone in the trailer gives it all away.
Is it any wonder I don't watch movies or tv much anymore?
But since you want a link to a more credible source than my intuition... After looking around I found the following that indicates that there most likely is going to be more gender swapping: Search Engine:
foundation series Gaal Dornick You can find more.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 20, 2021 7:44:45 GMT
Now that is some seriously exciting news and a quite ambitious project. I am eager to see what they have come up with. And Jared Harris as Seldon should be good, so bring it on . With regards to the young lady appearing in the teaser trailer, my guess is that she is Wanda Seldon. It is indeed, but at the same time I'm a bit scared how they are going to handle it. I suppose I fear the worst and hope for the best.
Jared Harris' performance in Chernobyl was amazing; I can't think of a better actor to play Seldon.
I believe Temporal Vanguardian is right, IMDB lists Lou Llobell as Gaal Dornick.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 20, 2021 8:52:06 GMT
Yea, I think that's what Temporal Vanguardian means.
Well, I for one don't have as much trouble with a kind of re-interpretation as I wrote before. I can see how it would be difficult not to change anything. And honestly, even if they change the gender of Gaal (and I agree with him that the girl is most likely Gaal's equivalent in the series), at least from what I do remember of the books, I don't see much of a problem with it.They obviously wouldn't have to do it but I don't see anything particularly negative or plot-disturbing about it either.
But then again, I disagree with the notion that adaptations always need to adhere to the source material as closely as possible. I already know the source material after all and I can always go back and read it if i like. With the adaptation, I am to an extent also curious to see what interpretation the show runners take on it.
Me neither, gender swaps are ok for me.
Adhering strictly to the source material is often a bad idea, but ymmv, of course.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 20, 2021 9:04:29 GMT
Just in case don't want to read a wall of text I will condense into 4 issues:
Issue 3:
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This has caused some horrid disasters with book-to-media in the past. The best train wreck is that 2018 Mortal Engines movie. The first half of the movie is "close" -not dead on accurate but close to the book. After they get flung off the platform -the movie goes off the rails into stupidity and idiocy!
The best accurate book to tv/movie I have seen is a toss up between Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia. Issue 4:
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My apologies for my brusqueness. I am an avid... no devoted... no I am an Obsessed fan of Asimov's Foundation series.
I read my first when I was 12 and I read every single one in the series thereafter.
Totally agree on Mortal Engines. But strongly disagree on LotR. I would argue that is one of the best adaptations to a movie, but it's hardly accurate. But I see your point, and would love to see that kind of detail and effort go in to the show.
I consider myself an avid Foundation fan too, but I don't obsess about it. And yes, I have all the books as well and have read them several times. Oh, and no need to apologise on my account.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 20, 2021 9:09:40 GMT
My appologies for ranting... They can destroy Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, DC-a-verse, Marvel-a-verse and even Macgyver... But destroying the lore of Issiac Asimov's classic series... No. That is where:
That said... I was able to deduce this myself by looking at the trailer with no need of third party information. By the actions and what is said and who says it alone in the trailer gives it all away.
Is it any wonder I don't watch movies or tv much anymore?
But since you want a link to a more credible source than my intuition... After looking around I found the following that indicates that there most likely is going to be more gender swapping: Search Engine:
foundation series Gaal Dornick You can find more.
Nah, consider you to be a credible source. I just thought you had found some news I managed to miss.
Yeah, I've done a fair bit of searches and the news is that there's hardly any news... But you are right, IMDB lists Lou Llobell as Gaal Dornick.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 20, 2021 18:18:47 GMT
This is probably my favourite scene in the movie. To me, First Contact is not only a great Star Trek movie, but a great movie regardless of genre. And there's a beauty to it as well, I find, for some reason though I'm not sure if I could pin point it. Nonetheless, it holds fond memories for me as it is only of the very select few movies I went to the theater with my dad to see. Nobody else, just he and I. We've never done that before or since. I think that is one reason- probably the biggest reason why I think it is such a special movie.
But by far that was just a great scene with amazing delivery by Patrick Stewart, and I love his recitation of Moby Dick, "And he piled upon the whale's white hump a sum of all the rage and hate felt by his entire race. If his chest had been a canon, he would have shot his heart upon it." (And yes, that was from memory because I have seen the movie so many times. Admittedly, I am only vaguely familiar with the Herman Melville classic, as I found it very sluggish (though it was in high school that I tried to read it. I didn't get into heavy reading until my early 30s). But I totally appreciate the gravity of the quote.
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