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Post by biggydx on Apr 5, 2021 21:05:30 GMT
I wonder how likely this will be the case, because out of the two franchises, Mass Effect has the wider market appeal and underlying mechanics that would facilitate multiplayer being a standard for the franchise; going forward. While ME3 MP was lightning in a bottle, Andromeda MP didnt fair well (for a number of reasons). You'd also have to set up a cause for "why" we're fighting in multiplayer in the first place. Maybe they could take a page from Halo 4's Spartan Ops instead, which would allow for targeted story experience in a co-op environment.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 5, 2021 21:36:58 GMT
I wonder how likely this will be the case, because out of the two franchises, Mass Effect has the wider market appeal and underlying mechanics that would facilitate multiplayer being a standard for the franchise; going forward. While ME3 MP was lightning in a bottle, Andromeda MP didnt fair well (for a number of reasons). You'd also have to set up a cause for "why" we're fighting in multiplayer in the first place. Maybe they could take a page from Halo 4's Spartan Ops instead, which would allow for targeted story experience in a co-op environment. Given that both ME3's and MEA's MP were quiet popular at least in the areas o fthe internet I've been in I doubt it but hopefully they'll be kept as seperate entities. We'll have to see though what Bioware and EA decide
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2021 0:08:12 GMT
I don't see an issue so long as the SP portion isn't dependent on it. I didn't pick up the MET until 2016 but my understanding is that the MP portion impacted the SP part. It's why they later developed " Galaxy at War" so that you could easily affect galactic readiness. I believe itplayed into what possible endings were available. It would be best to avoid that, as they did in MEA, because it would lose me entirely.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 6, 2021 0:20:31 GMT
I don't see an issue so long as the SP portion isn't dependent on it. I didn't pick up the MET until 2016 but my understanding is that the MP portion impacted the SP part. It's why they later developed " Galaxy at War" so that you could easily affect galactic readiness. I believe itplayed into what possible endings were available. It would be best to avoid that, as they did in MEA, because it would lose me entirely. Yeah as I asid as long as the MP an dSP are kep[ tseperate as the ywere in MEA I don't see a problem with keping it as I think it was quite popular in some circles and whilst I'm pretty rubbish at it I have had a little bhi tof fun wit hit despit not normally lasting more than 2 waves. So I' mno tagainst MP existin gin ME as it can also b equiet fun t6o watch as well as I'v eenjoye4d watching Darcblades vids of it that he did i tjusw tneeds to be kept away from the SP
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2021 0:59:41 GMT
I think that is the obvious implication.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 6, 2021 2:24:38 GMT
I can see no value in ME doing a multiplayer now, especially since it tends to cause more harm than good. I gave up the multiplayer when I never got a single salarian.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 2:41:51 GMT
EA never said that Dragon Age is going single player only so I wouldn't assume that misunderstanding carries over to Mass Effect without knowing if they can monetize it. What we know is that its reported that Dragon Age won't have live service elements which doesn't mean it won't have multiplayer. For games like the last few Assassin's Creed games are all single player, but definitely have live service elements.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2021 4:23:30 GMT
My instinct is to say, God I hope not, the MP is awesome. I wouldn't want live service or some MP looter shooter as the base game or something, but the add on MP like in ME3 and MEA I hope they keep. But I am not a developer so it sort of depends on how much of their time and budget goes into this, how much it would take away from the main game. If there is minimal effect on the main game keep it, if its large, toss it and add it after as a DLC or something.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 5:30:28 GMT
My instinct is to say, God I hope not, the MP is awesome. I wouldn't want live service or some MP looter shooter as the base game or something, but the add on MP like in ME3 and MEA I hope they keep. But I am not a developer so it sort of depends on how much of their time and budget goes into this, how much it would take away from the main game. If there is minimal effect on the main game keep it, if its large, toss it and add it after as a DLC or something. Well, speaking from my experiences something as big as MP would have its own independent budget from other areas of the game. The online thinking that if BioWare didn't spend time or resources on MP would have added content to the game isn't a guarantee for the allocated developer time and money could never exist in the first place. So if there wasn't the MP EA could just not give BioWare that money or developer hours to work on the game. Even as an example the way I see the MELE budget they probably broken it down into ME1, ME2, and ME3 then subdivided ME1 into things like Combat, 4K, loading, etc. So I doubt if there is any MP in any BioWare game it won't be at the expense of the main game. If the main game suffers its more then likely from something in the development of the main game itself for they ran out of one of the resources they allocated. I wouldn't expect it to be DLC unless they are willing to sacrifice a single player DLC to give that slot to it. Just like ME3 where the first DLC was the Extended Cut and only three single player DLCs for new content after that.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 6, 2021 5:46:58 GMT
I think that EA absolutely want and need a multiplayer live service cash cow that Anthem was planned to be, but have given up on the thought that BioWare are going to be the studio to deliver it and so are no longer willing to finance any multiplayer releated endeavour from them. That might well include the Mass Effect franchise.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 6, 2021 6:12:01 GMT
I can take or leave multiplayer, honestly, but I’m betting that leaving it out of Dragon Age wasn’t a particularly hard decision, since the last go about wasn’t very good anyway. Mass Effect is another story. A third person shooter co-op is an easier sell for a basic game mode to tack on like ME3 and MEAMP. Considering that it’s guaranteed to have no discernible impact on the story of the singleplayer game, then it’s all good I guess.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 6, 2021 8:49:05 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only?
I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 10:11:54 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only? I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money. This is old news, confirmed by BW months ago and talked about here for days. April Fool's is only the first of the month.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 6, 2021 10:22:10 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only? I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money. This is old news, confirmed by BW months ago and talked about here for days. April Fool's is only the first of the month. Well, I didn't know and couldn't be arsed to google.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 11:49:32 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only? I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money. People are jumping to a conclusion for that isn't what the reports said. What has been reported is that EA has told BioWare they don't need to incorporate live service elements in the next Dragon Age game. So the internet like it normally does has jumped to the conclusion that not having live service elements automatically means there won't be multiplayer. Without considering that MP has been part of games from before the introduction of live service elements or that single player only games have had live service elements inside of them. So I won't be surprised if there is a MP component is both games.
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Post by Frost on Apr 6, 2021 13:29:39 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only? I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money. Here is the Bloomberg article saying DA4 will be single player only:
Video game publisher Electronic Arts Inc. has made a major pivot on the next game in the popular Dragon Age series, allowing the developers to remove all planned multiplayer components from the game, according to people familiar with the matter.
Dragon Age is a series of fantasy games from the EA-owned developer BioWare. The next Dragon Age, which doesn’t yet have an official title or release date, had previously been designed with a heavy multiplayer component, said the people, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak to the press. In recent months, it has transformed into a single-player-only game after EA was stung by a recent multiplayer flop.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 6, 2021 14:00:13 GMT
My guess is that if DA4 is well received by fans and critics and does very well financially then I could see them not having a MP mode in the next ME game just like I can see if that ME:LE does well a remastered editions of DAO, DA2, and DAI (and all of the DLC and Expansions too) next on the horizon it maybe as a way to help hype up DA4 too.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 15:24:47 GMT
Where did you find that DA4 was going to be single player only? I highly doubt EA would drop such an easy revenue stream where whales can easily dump their leftover money. Here is the Bloomberg article saying DA4 will be single player only:
Video game publisher Electronic Arts Inc. has made a major pivot on the next game in the popular Dragon Age series, allowing the developers to remove all planned multiplayer components from the game, according to people familiar with the matter.
Dragon Age is a series of fantasy games from the EA-owned developer BioWare. The next Dragon Age, which doesn’t yet have an official title or release date, had previously been designed with a heavy multiplayer component, said the people, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak to the press. In recent months, it has transformed into a single-player-only game after EA was stung by a recent multiplayer flop.
Since there isn't direct quotes to what he was told, he could be editorializing out some context that is getting lost in that translation. What I am taking from the article is that it won't be "Anthem with dragons", but still leaves the door open to be something like Dragon Age: Inquisition where it something added on, but unrelated to the main game for it still falls into the category of being a single player game, just with a multiplayer option if people want it.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 15:26:27 GMT
My guess is that if DA4 is well received by fans and critics and does very well financially then I could see them not having a MP mode in the next ME game just like I can see if that ME:LE does well a remastered editions of DAO, DA2, and DAI (and all of the DLC and Expansions too) next on the horizon it maybe as a way to help hype up DA4 too. I have seen more people posting that they upset then happy that the multiplayer aspect isn't present in Mass Effect: Legendary Edition. So knowing BioWare they are going to take the upset posts to be who everyone feels.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2021 17:35:57 GMT
My guess is that if DA4 is well received by fans and critics and does very well financially then I could see them not having a MP mode in the next ME game just like I can see if that ME:LE does well a remastered editions of DAO, DA2, and DAI (and all of the DLC and Expansions too) next on the horizon it maybe as a way to help hype up DA4 too. I have seen more people posting that they upset then happy that the multiplayer aspect isn't present in Mass Effect: Legendary Edition. So knowing BioWare they are going to take the upset posts to be who everyone feels. Though I don't care for MP, I can't see how it would make any difference. Sure, we only have one launcher, but I can't see any reason why it can't connect to the existing ME3 MP. It's not like they'd have to rebuild it from scratch, or even modify it.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 6, 2021 17:42:22 GMT
I am not sure, DA and ME share alot of traits and have overlapping fanbases but are still different animals from each other. DA going strictly singleplayer makes sense because MP was never in much demand from the DA fanbase in the first place and most people were never that enthusiastic about DAI MP. It was just tacked on. Most people played DAI to play the lore and story. With ME it has been proven that multiplayer can work in an ME game. This actually worries me because it can effect SP. It effected MEAs SP in that went from an action/tactical hybrid in the trilogy to straight up action in MEA. The power wheel and squad commands were straight up gone taking away a huge tactical element the originals had in order to bring it more in line with how the game play of the MP. So in short I don't really want it but it works for Mass Effect as it brings in more players. I think it hurts the integrity of the SP product but it can be lucrative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 21:45:55 GMT
It seemed to me pretty cut and dry, and honestly I think there are follow up tweets on this issue that clarify things further.
Sure, the author could have been making an assumption, but the language used is not ambiguous.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 22:54:15 GMT
I have seen more people posting that they upset then happy that the multiplayer aspect isn't present in Mass Effect: Legendary Edition. So knowing BioWare they are going to take the upset posts to be who everyone feels. Though I don't care for MP, I can't see how it would make any difference. Sure, we only have one launcher, but I can't see any reason why it can't connect to the existing ME3 MP. It's not like they'd have to rebuild it from scratch, or even modify it. There could be a number of reasons even beyond technical such as something to do with the Sony and Microsoft networks. It could even be a gauge to see how many buy a Mass Effect title that doesn't include MP to judge if they want to put the option into the next Mass Effect game.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 6, 2021 23:01:08 GMT
It seemed to me pretty cut and dry, and honestly I think there are follow up tweets on this issue that clarify things further. Sure, the author could have been making an assumption, but the language used is not ambiguous. To me its along the lines of a telephone game, for there are many viewpoints that can be done and I don't think there is anything intentional misleading about what is written. For the two examples given are the extreme ends so there is plenty of room in the middle where the comparisons to either game is still correct. For I doubt the people that Jason Schreier talks to is at the decision making level so the small changes in dialogue start before that. Even in that article he wrote there were multiple different potential implementations of MP in Dragon Age 4 so to me that means not even the people he is talking to are completely in the loop. For having a single player game doesn't mean there won't be a multiplayer option that doesn't interact with the game leaving it as a single player game at least how I read what is being said.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 7, 2021 8:42:52 GMT
I would like ME to continue with a MP component (probably an unpopular viewpoint). I love ME3 and MEA combat systems and those were a direct result of MP...though the latter suffered from lack of enemy variation. I think as long as their primary focus is on SP story content it shouldn't be an issue...and they don't try to force people to play by tying MP to SP.
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