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Post by Phantom on Apr 15, 2021 21:55:00 GMT
Well Cerberus is a well know enemy faction within Mass Effect. We all know that overused will lead to being overdone within all things. So the point of this thread is to offer up a potential enemy faction.
So the new potential enemy faction is called Black Talons. True I have talked about them within other threads in the past with various members here and Black Talons is one of the more developed enemy factions in my head right now. Black Talon are a mercenary factions with a cyber horror theme with a connection to the Reapers and a fairly large infrastructure to rival many canon governments.
I developed Black Talon as a group awhile back due to how Cerberus exploded as a superpower without the lore to back that up. So why not give Bioware ideas if they want to do a retcon or a soft reboot of Mass Effect. or modify them for use for Mass Effect Andromeda.
One of my Andromeda ideas that having Ryder Twins facing 2 Black Talon Wraiths(think of a nightmare blend of Cerberus Phantom and N7 Fury into a Boss format and Skull Helmet) and Those Black Talon Wraiths are causing infighting with the Nexus to address the Kett Empire. Ryder twins have encountering the Black Talons beforehand and understanding their hyperviolence nature is both a danger to the Nexus and Andromeda at large.
Well if asked, I will present other ideas that I have relating to Black Talons
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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2021 15:35:20 GMT
I'm not sure there's any specific reason to create a brand new enemy. TIM says "Cerberus is an idea". That means someone else could pick up the pieces and create another human-centric organization. Maybe more anti-alien than ever due to the Leviathan (aliens) being seen as an example of why non-human thinking can lead to disastrous results. They might think that only humans can do it right. Given that Shepard was the driving force for defeating the Reapers, you can imagine that idea having merit in this new Cerberus. Even if the Leviathan weren't considered a factor, it's not hard to look and see how a race that only came on the scene less than 30 years prior proved to be more resourceful than races that had been around for thousands of years. Aliens are weak and the galaxy would have fallen without the far superior humanity.
What's your Black Talon idea?
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Post by AnDromedary on May 13, 2021 20:30:54 GMT
I am all for retiring Cerberus, personally, I'd have retired them after ME1 . Not sure if I like too much cyber-horror in my Mass Effect though (outside of the reapers of course). Also, the name is a little close to the Talons on Omega, I fear. So I am not really sold but as I said, no Cerberus is a good start.
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Post by themikefest on May 14, 2021 2:37:53 GMT
I voted screw this thread, more Cerberus please
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Post by Phantom on May 14, 2021 9:22:59 GMT
I'm not sure there's any specific reason to create a brand new enemy. TIM says "Cerberus is an idea". That means someone else could pick up the pieces and create another human-centric organization. Maybe more anti-alien than ever due to the Leviathan (aliens) being seen as an example of why non-human thinking can lead to disastrous results. They might think that only humans can do it right. Given that Shepard was the driving force for defeating the Reapers, you can imagine that idea having merit in this new Cerberus. Even if the Leviathan weren't considered a factor, it's not hard to look and see how a race that only came on the scene less than 30 years prior proved to be more resourceful than races that had been around for thousands of years. Aliens are weak and the galaxy would have fallen without the far superior humanity. What's your Black Talon idea? Well my black talon idea was more in line to addressing how insane it was that Cerberus within Lore blew up into a massive empire that rivaled System Alliance and Council Space despite being on death door within the Mass Effect books leading up to Mass Effect. Black Talons do have an large intrastructure that is hidden within 99% of the Milk Way galaxy. So if I was going to work them into the MET, I would have hints of them being that large to pull off what ME3 Cerberus did without being lore break while having them willingfully join the Reapers out of several reasons including self-preservation and improved Cybernetics. Black Talon has darker cyber horror theme for their design and lore. Some of their lore is to have bleed edge cybernetics to improve their performance. Also I have a pseudo ME:A prequel there Sara Ryder kills a Black Talon Wraith by herself and yes it was out of self defense. There is a gigantic scene in my head where Alec Ryder and Ryder Twins save the Andromeda Initiative from the Black Talon. Hanako will like my idea that Cerberus is NOT the Mysterious Benefactor within ME:A prequel. Also Many people are tired of Bioware of using Cerberus for everything to the point of them being overused and overburned. Why not having a new faction.
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Post by Phantom on May 14, 2021 9:27:16 GMT
I am all for retiring Cerberus, personally, I'd have retired them after ME1 . Not sure if I like too much cyber-horror in my Mass Effect though (outside of the reapers of course). Also, the name is a little close to the Talons on Omega, I fear. So I am not really sold but as I said, no Cerberus is a good start. I am very aware of that. Black Talon are darker than Cerberus in the sense they are more inline with Warhammer 40k grim dark.
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Post by midnightwolf on May 14, 2021 16:55:13 GMT
PLEASE No more Cerberus. The fact that they even were mentioned and had a minor mission in MEA is absolutely ridiculous. Just begone already!
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Post by Phantom on May 14, 2021 18:27:10 GMT
PLEASE No more Cerberus. The fact that they even were mentioned and had a minor mission in MEA is absolutely ridiculous. Just begone already! This why I want feedback in fully developing Black Talons because fans like you are overdone with Cerberus. Also having a fully developed organization that is a proper hate sink that everyone can hate fully. So expect in future posts relating to the Black Talons how much messed up they can be due to their intense love of cyber horror. Also Like i said before, they are a fairly large organization with infrastructure to rival many government. Also one of my ME:A sequel does involved 2 Black Talon Wraiths and Sara and Scott Ryder getting scared due to their encounter with Alponse(Black Talon Wraith that is a creepy sexual sadist) in the past. 2 Black Talon Wraiths are stirring up trouble with people within the Nexus and the aftermath with the Kett Attack.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 15, 2021 4:27:27 GMT
Well my black talon idea was more in line to addressing how insane it was that Cerberus within Lore blew up into a massive empire that rivaled System Alliance and Council Space despite being on death door within the Mass Effect books leading up to Mass Effect. Valid. I wouldn't say Cerberus was gone at the end of ME1 but it was better off being a rogue black ops group. Then they changed every single bit of what Cerberus was and "disavowed" pretty much everything done in ME1.
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Post by Phantom on May 15, 2021 5:45:43 GMT
Well my black talon idea was more in line to addressing how insane it was that Cerberus within Lore blew up into a massive empire that rivaled System Alliance and Council Space despite being on death door within the Mass Effect books leading up to Mass Effect. Valid. I wouldn't say Cerberus was gone at the end of ME1 but it was better off being a rogue black ops group. Then they changed every single bit of what Cerberus was and "disavowed" pretty much everything done in ME1. Well my idea for a proper Cerberus story is have them be more within line with ME 1 and ME 2 versions. Also I was referring to ME: Retribution where Turian assault several Cerberus bases and thus crippling them. and Leaving T.I.M. wondering how long they can rebuild Cerberus taking possible decades. Having more of a Constant story for Cerberus that actually addresses the inconstant nature between Me1 and Me2 Cerberus.
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Post by midnightwolf on May 16, 2021 23:10:36 GMT
Valid. I wouldn't say Cerberus was gone at the end of ME1 but it was better off being a rogue black ops group. Then they changed every single bit of what Cerberus was and "disavowed" pretty much everything done in ME1. Well my idea for a proper Cerberus story is have them be more within line with ME 1 and ME 2 versions. Also I was referring to ME: Retribution where Turian assault several Cerberus bases and thus crippling them. and Leaving T.I.M. wondering how long they can rebuild Cerberus taking possible decades. Having more of a Constant story for Cerberus that actually addresses the inconstant nature between Me1 and Me2 Cerberus. I think they've gone too far for that now. TIM is dead. But before that.....Inside of six months, they turned Cerberus from a Black OP's to a Super power which could rival the whole of the Galaxy. Look at how many Ships they have. I'm no expert here, but I do know that it takes a least 2 years to make just ONE Royal Navy Destroy. Yet in ME, Cerberus, are able to knock out Cruisers, Carriers and Shuttles in DAYS? Weeks? Dev's went too far with their Cerberus hardon!
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Post by Phantom on May 17, 2021 1:16:39 GMT
Well my idea for a proper Cerberus story is have them be more within line with ME 1 and ME 2 versions. Also I was referring to ME: Retribution where Turian assault several Cerberus bases and thus crippling them. and Leaving T.I.M. wondering how long they can rebuild Cerberus taking possible decades. Having more of a Constant story for Cerberus that actually addresses the inconstant nature between Me1 and Me2 Cerberus. I think they've gone too far for that now. TIM is dead. But before that.....Inside of six months, they turned Cerberus from a Black OP's to a Super power which could rival the whole of the Galaxy. Look at how many Ships they have. I'm no expert here, but I do know that it takes a least 2 years to make just ONE Royal Navy Destroy. Yet in ME, Cerberus, are able to knock out Cruisers, Carriers and Shuttles in DAYS? Weeks? Dev's went too far with their Cerberus hardon! true they did with that. Second Coming of The Sith Empire Route for the Cerberus is unbelievable regardless of time length due to the infrastructure was needed to do that. If They had any sense and wanting to re-use Cerberus in any form regardless if it is an enemy faction, allied faction or having a Player Character being a member of Cerberus, serious retcons are required to make them believable to the fanbase at large. If i was writing Cerberus, Some of elements of ME3 Cerberus would make a return but the scale of ME3 Cerberus will not return and them having a Reaper Faction will not return either. Also Having Black Talon and other new factions would be working for the Reapers. Yes I would have several New Reaper Cults and having Reaper sleeper agents with all factions sow chaos within the galaxy. Taking ques from Warhammer 40K, having Reaper Cults some elements of Chaos Cults would be a good idea while making them unique.
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Post by helios969 on May 17, 2021 7:37:11 GMT
In the post destroy galaxy Cerberus rallies the remnants of humanity to become the dominant faction to fight the slave armies of Leviathan.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2021 15:58:44 GMT
In the post destroy galaxy Cerberus rallies the remnants of humanity to become the dominant faction to fight the slave armies of Leviathan. TIM is dead and the rest were turned into semi-husks, assuming they even survived. Not a lot to work with. EDIT: Unless led by a surviving Miranda seeking non-horrifying testing of sentient beings. Pushing for humanity to have an equal, if not dominant, place in society is not such a bad goal.
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Post by azarhal on May 17, 2021 16:04:07 GMT
Well my black talon idea was more in line to addressing how insane it was that Cerberus within Lore blew up into a massive empire that rivaled System Alliance and Council Space despite being on death door within the Mass Effect books leading up to Mass Effect. Valid. I wouldn't say Cerberus was gone at the end of ME1 but it was better off being a rogue black ops group. Then they changed every single bit of what Cerberus was and "disavowed" pretty much everything done in ME1. In ME1, Cerberus either owned parts or worked for big corporations as most of their research sites have "samples" from ExoGeni/Binary Helix super secret researches (thorian creepers, rachni, husks). They were doing not quite ethical field testing for big corporations basically. The assignment UNC Depot Sigma-23 has a log entry that mention it's a Cerberus operation and Binary Helix Peak 15 research. They had already moved on from being what is usually called a black ops group. And Shepard is only aware of the Lazarus cell in ME2, a cell made mostly of new Cerberus operative. Miranda is basically the only "old school" Cerberus aboard the ship.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2021 16:11:14 GMT
And Shepard is only aware of the Lazarus cell in ME2, a cell made mostly of new Cerberus operative. Miranda is basically the only "old school" Cerberus aboard the ship. Only partially true. Shep was aware of Cerberus in ME1 so there's no way he or she could claim to be only aware of the Lazarus Cell. Maybe he doesn't know details but what he does know is damning. Then they went through the process of TIM disavowing absolutely every bad thing Cerberus ever did, including Tetlin. He was aware of Project: Overlord since he's disappointed should Shep shut it down. TIM pretends to just be pushing to make humanity better but he's much more aware of what's going on than he claims.
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2021 16:27:34 GMT
In the post destroy galaxy Cerberus rallies the remnants of humanity to become the dominant faction to fight the slave armies of Leviathan. TIM is dead and the rest were turned into semi-husks, assuming they even survived. Not a lot to work with. EDIT: Unless led by a surviving Miranda seeking non-horrifying testing of sentient beings. Pushing for humanity to have an equal, if not dominant, place in society is not such a bad goal. Here's an idea involving Miranda to have Cerberus be great again.
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Post by azarhal on May 17, 2021 16:41:52 GMT
And Shepard is only aware of the Lazarus cell in ME2, a cell made mostly of new Cerberus operative. Miranda is basically the only "old school" Cerberus aboard the ship. Only partially true. Shep was aware of Cerberus in ME1 so there's no way he or she could claim to be only aware of the Lazarus Cell. Maybe he doesn't know details but what he does know is damning. Then they went through the process of TIM disavowing absolutely every bad thing Cerberus ever did, including Tetlin. He was aware of Project: Overlord since he's disappointed should Shep shut it down. TIM pretends to just be pushing to make humanity better but he's much more aware of what's going on than he claims. You misunderstood what I was trying to say. Lazarus cell is a fake Cerberus created to get Shepard to work for TIM. The pro human crap, the disavowing. It's all a charade. All TIM does is lie to keep Shepard under his control. You only see the crack thanks to Jake's backstory (which TIM disavows) and Project Overlord. And TIM is aware of everything that happens in Cerberus. It use a cell system were cell leaders report directly to him as explained by EDI if you ask her. I'm pretty sure he spies on the cells too, considering Mordin finds bugs aboard the SR2.
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Post by Phantom on May 17, 2021 17:40:31 GMT
Only partially true. Shep was aware of Cerberus in ME1 so there's no way he or she could claim to be only aware of the Lazarus Cell. Maybe he doesn't know details but what he does know is damning. Then they went through the process of TIM disavowing absolutely every bad thing Cerberus ever did, including Tetlin. He was aware of Project: Overlord since he's disappointed should Shep shut it down. TIM pretends to just be pushing to make humanity better but he's much more aware of what's going on than he claims. You misunderstood what I was trying to say. Lazarus cell is a fake Cerberus created to get Shepard to work for TIM. The pro human crap, the disavowing. It's all a charade. All TIM does is lie to keep Shepard under his control. You only see the crack thanks to Jake's backstory (which TIM disavows) and Project Overlord. And TIM is aware of everything that happens in Cerberus. It use a cell system were cell leaders report directly to him as explained by EDI if you ask her. I'm pretty sure he spies on the cells too, considering Mordin finds bugs aboard the SR2. Well Lazarus Cell is a proper Cerberus Cell. There is a Jacob within Cerberus. Who in the hell is Jake? Also One of the reasons he spies on cells due to the fall out of the Tetlin hiding what they did that made Jack.
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Post by azarhal on May 17, 2021 18:01:14 GMT
You misunderstood what I was trying to say. Lazarus cell is a fake Cerberus created to get Shepard to work for TIM. The pro human crap, the disavowing. It's all a charade. All TIM does is lie to keep Shepard under his control. You only see the crack thanks to Jake's backstory (which TIM disavows) and Project Overlord. And TIM is aware of everything that happens in Cerberus. It use a cell system were cell leaders report directly to him as explained by EDI if you ask her. I'm pretty sure he spies on the cells too, considering Mordin finds bugs aboard the SR2. Well Lazarus Cell is a proper Cerberus Cell. There is a Jacob within Cerberus. Who in the hell is Jake? Also One of the reasons he spies on cells due to the fall out of the Tetlin hiding what they did that made Jack. Me not capable of spelling Jack Jacob didn't join Cerberus until after Shepard died in 2183. Miranda recruited him in the ME: Foundation comic series using "we are going to bring back Shepard" as the way to motivate him to join Cerberus.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 18, 2021 0:35:48 GMT
You misunderstood what I was trying to say. Gotcha. That makes more sense since they do make it clear in ME3 that Shep was shielded from the worst of Cerberus. That said, I think everyone on Lazarus was so shielded, except maybe Wilson.
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