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Post by Dukemon on Apr 30, 2021 22:35:50 GMT
In my world situation in the Origins Savegame, the Landthing ended as follows:
my Warden (Male Cousland) dueled with Loghain
followed Discussion had outcome: Alistair (not hardened) claimed the crown for himself to kill Loghain, at the end Alistair killed Loghain
Warden exclaimed his intention to marry Anora, Anora confirmed the marriage
Since Anora always demands Alistair's execution immediately after Alistair has given up his and his descendants' claim to the throne, I assume that Alistair is dead in this case.
But the Keep does not let me set up this world state: Anora and Warden rule over Ferelden, Alistair dead, Loghain dead. I did not use any Mod that could change the outcomes.
My finished Wardens are backed up, but I have no idea how to read out the outcomes from this files.
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Post by Curious Crow on May 4, 2021 18:18:45 GMT
I think Anora just demands that Alistair denounces his title but lets him live if he kills Loghain but she then becomes queen.
Because the game demands that Morrigan has a shot at breeding with either Alistair or Loghain and she can't do that if they're both dead at that point.
So the Keep is not wrong on that front. Alistair could be dead from slapping the Archdemon though, if the ritual was not preformed otherwise he's just a grumpy old warden.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 5, 2021 20:00:47 GMT
I think Anora just demands that Alistair denounces his title but lets him live if he kills Loghain but she then becomes queen. Because the game demands that Morrigan has a shot at breeding with either Alistair or Loghain and she can't do that if they're both dead at that point. Alistair isn't necessary for the Dark Ritual since only a male Warden can marry Anora. However, OP, if Alistair is still in your party when you get to Redcliff, then it is obvious that Anora didn't carry through with her threat. You should know if he is with you because you both go to the meeting with Riorden. Also, since Alistair is confirmed in the wardens, then technically he is no longer a threat to her as he does officially denounce his claim on the throne. Now the situation is a little less clear cut if you don't kill Loghain, since Alistair throws a hissy fit and refuses to stay under your command, eventually ending up a drunken mess. Whilst it isn't explicitly stated in the Keep whether or not you agree to Alistair's execution, ultimately the Keep probably assumes certain outcomes with regard to him. It is not terribly important going forward; simply affecting whether you see Alistair or not in certain world states.
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Post by Curious Crow on May 5, 2021 22:05:47 GMT
gervaise21 It was more of a cheeky way to say that the game doesn't let you get to the Dark Ritual offer without either Alistair or Loghain breathing.  Granted I could also have said it wont let you meet Riordan at the castle without either of them breathing. Hindsight something something. --- But loaded the game and made Alistair kill Loghain (after Morrigan softened him up but the result is the same) and then put Anora on the throne and she just skipped the execution threats all together. So keep is not broken and the only options you should have are that Alistair either died to the Archdemon or kept on being a grey warden.
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Post by Dukemon on May 9, 2021 22:38:27 GMT
I wish I could look into the savegame to see how it actualy is. xD
It may, of course, be that Alistair was at Redcliff. Maybe I should load the savegame into DA2, see what DA2 has to say about it.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 10, 2021 2:14:39 GMT
I wish I could look into the savegame to see how it actualy is. xD It may, of course, be that Alistair was at Redcliff. Maybe I should load the savegame into DA2, see what DA2 has to say about it. Try to remember the conversation where Riordan tells you about why only a Warden can kill an Archdemon. Do you remember Alistair participating? He was involved in that conversation in my King Cousland World-State, since I'd let Alistair kill Loghain, and so Alistair didn't feel the need to leave the party. He would have been in that conversation in yours too. (I even had Alistair do the Dark Ritual, figuring that my character would prefer the child with Urthemiel's soul be from a line that no longer had a claim to the throne.)
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