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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 2, 2021 12:26:19 GMT
So this morning I woke up....blah, blah, blah......And then turned on my PC, and as when Windows was loaded and all the services were loaded into the System Tray, I opened my browser of choice (Google Chrome), and aside from the fact that it took about a full 5 minutes to respond when I started typing in a website address, the page suddenly flashed back to default and I had to type the URL all over again. Even when I came here, I tried to log in and I couldn't get past the first four letters of the Username and the screen would flash and the field would be empty as if I hadn't typed anything.
I tried other browsers (Edge and Firefox) and the behaviours were the exact same. Then after closing them and going back to Windows, I noticed that the behaviour had affected the Windows environment as well....Everything I did (for example go to THIS PC and access my spare drive) the screen would *flash* and revert back to whatever screen was previous, emptying the fields and behaving as though I hadn't actually done anything. Even hitting the START Button in the corner....it took forever to respond, I tried to click the option I wanted, and it would disappear and then not even respond. I had to ALT+F4 to SHUT DOWN, but even that took a few attempts to be successful because the message box would disappear soon as I touched anything, and then my system wouldn't shut down. 5x I tried this....and finally it worked.
Using Bit Defender Total Security 2021, I have run two FULL System Scans and found NOTHING....my system is CLEAN.
I then tried to do a System Restore, and it told me that I couldn't because "System Protection is turned OFF" But when I tried to turn it on....It told me I couldn't because the drive was missing and the Settings weren't configured.
I am considering re-cloning my 950 to my current 970 and seeing if that solves the problem........
I am tempted to just say screw it and spend the money on new tech, because this system is approaching six years old........
EDIT: As of 10:10 this morning, I have tried to run the Safe File Checker in the Command Prompt...But I get no response. A response to typing in the SFC command takes forever and I have to type it several times for the instruction to even respond.....Then the Command Prompt window *flashes* on the the screen as fast as you can blink and disappears just as quickly with nothing to show for it. What's more is, I can't even enter Safe Mode to do a Start-Up Repair.
I am seriously ready to say **** It and just buy new stuff (a Z490 Aorus Master with the Intel 10850K) and do a fresh install of Windows.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 16:21:29 GMT
This sounds grim.
However, it seems to be in the file system and seems hacky to me, sorry if that is alarming but it is my knee jerk.
Have you tried the nuclear option of a clean Windows install on this machine? It is an option in system restore.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 2, 2021 18:48:24 GMT
This sounds grim. However, it seems to be in the file system and seems hacky to me, sorry if that is alarming but it is my knee jerk. Have you tried the nuclear option of a clean Windows install on this machine? It is an option in system restore. I can't do a System Restore. It won't let me. Says the system isn't configured properly and that the drive is missing.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on May 2, 2021 19:47:01 GMT
I don't think it has to be serious that it won't let you do a system restore. If you haven't prepared restore points it could be normal.
First of all, I think we need to know what Task manager is saying is going on.
The symptoms sound like there is a lack of resources of some kind, and that there is a lot of memory swapping going on. Are you sure Windows isn't trying to do housekeeping after a major update? If that is the case, you just have to let it run it's course in peace, without trying to do anything on the computer. It could take hours, and shutting down or rebooting the computer don't exactly help.
I have vague memories I had some similar situation once upon a time. It was caused by Chrome running in the background for a long time. There was one system resource it would spam. Don't remember distinctly, and I think it was patched eventually.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 20:34:04 GMT
This sounds grim. However, it seems to be in the file system and seems hacky to me, sorry if that is alarming but it is my knee jerk. Have you tried the nuclear option of a clean Windows install on this machine? It is an option in system restore. I can't do a System Restore. It won't let me. Says the system isn't configured properly and that the drive is missing. I wasn't talking about a system restore, most people never make a restore point anyone so it is rarely helpful. The nuclear option is to let Windows do a clean install, and keep your files. It will put them in a folder called windows.old iirc. This should put W10 in an up-to-date status that actually works. If not, then you may have other issues. If you can get relief with the suggestions given by B above, then that is a better way to go. I called it nuclear for a reason  |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 9, 2021 19:52:22 GMT
So this morning I woke up....blah, blah, blah......And then turned on my PC, and as when Windows was loaded and all the services were loaded into the System Tray, I opened my browser of choice (Google Chrome), and aside from the fact that it took about a full 5 minutes to respond when I started typing in a website address, the page suddenly flashed back to default and I had to type the URL all over again. Even when I came here, I tried to log in and I couldn't get past the first four letters of the Username and the screen would flash and the field would be empty as if I hadn't typed anything. I tried other browsers (Edge and Firefox) and the behaviours were the exact same. Then after closing them and going back to Windows, I noticed that the behaviour had affected the Windows environment as well....Everything I did (for example go to THIS PC and access my spare drive) the screen would *flash* and revert back to whatever screen was previous, emptying the fields and behaving as though I hadn't actually done anything. Even hitting the START Button in the corner....it took forever to respond, I tried to click the option I wanted, and it would disappear and then not even respond. I had to ALT+F4 to SHUT DOWN, but even that took a few attempts to be successful because the message box would disappear soon as I touched anything, and then my system wouldn't shut down. 5x I tried this....and finally it worked. Using Bit Defender Total Security 2021, I have run two FULL System Scans and found NOTHING....my system is CLEAN. I then tried to do a System Restore, and it told me that I couldn't because "System Protection is turned OFF" But when I tried to turn it on....It told me I couldn't because the drive was missing and the Settings weren't configured. I am considering re-cloning my 950 to my current 970 and seeing if that solves the problem........ I am tempted to just say screw it and spend the money on new tech, because this system is approaching six years old........ EDIT: As of 10:10 this morning, I have tried to run the Safe File Checker in the Command Prompt...But I get no response. A response to typing in the SFC command takes forever and I have to type it several times for the instruction to even respond.....Then the Command Prompt window *flashes* on the the screen as fast as you can blink and disappears just as quickly with nothing to show for it. What's more is, I can't even enter Safe Mode to do a Start-Up Repair. I am seriously ready to say **** It and just buy new stuff (a Z490 Aorus Master with the Intel 10850K) and do a fresh install of Windows. I don't think this is that serious. This sounds like its graphics card related. Specifically overheating... though it should not be doing this with browsers...
FIRST THINGS FIRST:
Give your graphics card a physical exam. Make sure your graphics card fans are spinning.
If they are not spinning check in Afterburner for RPM on the fan -right top number of the four.
If its 0 mV then the fan controller on the card is most likely dead.
If the fans ARE spinning:
When was the last time you updated your graphics card driver? Did you let Windows Update update everything or just the graphics card driver?
Did you manage to REVERT the graphics card driver.
If you have trouble reverting just use DDU to completely uninstall the graphics card driver and then go about reinstalling the graphics card driver.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 10, 2021 14:07:43 GMT
Morning, so I have updated my GPU drivers and all my Windows stuff is totally up to date. My GPU appears to be working fine, and all the fans spin when needed (due to asynchronous control). No mechanical issues, no weird sounds, no blue screens that typically accompany GPU problems. The weird thing is that yesterday, I reinstalled my older 950 Pro M.2....and within a few minutes, the same issues began to happen. So then I took out the 950 M.2 and replaced it with an older 2.5 inch 850 Pro EVO SSD. And within less than ten minutes, the same issues started happening. I managed to get the SSD updated to current operating specs, but the issue of every application window I attempted to open *flashing* and then disappearing still continued even through the whole process.
I find it very strange that the exact same problems are now plaguing three different pieces of hardware: both M.2s and a 2.5" SSD that yes, were cloned from one to another, but were never interconnected and don't technically have anything to do with each other. Each drive was used separately, so the way I look at it... problems with one should not affect the others. And ALL my drives were working perfectly....my entire PC was working to perfection up till last week Monday morning. Then without warning, it all went down hill.
This afternoon, I am going to try to REPAIR Windows with an Repair program I have on a USB. If that doesn't work, I am going to re-install Windows fresh from the Installation DVD I have.
**SITUATION UPDATE**
So I turned on my PC this morning at 11:15 a.m. ET.....and it appears to be working perfectly perfect. I am booting off my original 850 EVO Pro SSD that my original installation of Windows 10 Pro was on (from when I changed over from Windows 7 via digital download the day Windows 10 was released way back when), so I am getting everything updated to current operating specs. I have re-installed new and fresh GPU drivers and performed a Clean Install on those....and I am presently doing some last minute Windows Updates like the .Net Framework 4.8.
But to my great surprise and relief.....Everything appears to be in perfect working order.
This is extremely strange. I have absolutely no idea what could have caused this issue......But I will run it for the next two weeks from this SSD and monitor the situation. Then in a month, if nothing else occurs, I will re-clone my 1TB 970 Evo Plus M.2 from this SSD.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 10, 2021 19:43:18 GMT
Morning, so I have updated my GPU drivers and all my Windows stuff is totally up to date. My GPU appears to be working fine, and all the fans spin when needed (due to asynchronous control). No mechanical issues, no weird sounds, no blue screens that typically accompany GPU problems. The weird thing is that yesterday, I reinstalled my older 950 Pro M.2....and within a few minutes, the same issues began to happen. So then I took out the 950 M.2 and replaced it with an older 2.5 inch 850 Pro EVO SSD. And within less than ten minutes, the same issues started happening. I managed to get the SSD updated to current operating specs, but the issue of every application window I attempted to open *flashing* and then disappearing still continued even through the whole process. I find it very strange that the exact same problems are now plaguing three different pieces of hardware: both M.2s and a 2.5" SSD that yes, were cloned from one to another, but were never interconnected and don't technically have anything to do with each other. Each drive was used separately, so the way I look at it... problems with one should not affect the others. And ALL my drives were working perfectly....my entire PC was working to perfection up till last week Monday morning. Then without warning, it all went down hill. This afternoon, I am going to try to REPAIR Windows with an Repair program I have on a USB. If that doesn't work, I am going to re-install Windows fresh from the Installation DVD I have. **SITUATION UPDATE** So I turned on my PC this morning at 11:15 a.m. ET.....and it appears to be working perfectly perfect. I am booting off my original 850 EVO Pro SSD that my original installation of Windows 10 Pro was on (from when I changed over from Windows 7 via digital download the day Windows 10 was released way back when), so I am getting everything updated to current operating specs. I have re-installed new and fresh GPU drivers and performed a Clean Install on those....and I am presently doing some last minute Windows Updates like the .Net Framework 4.8. But to my great surprise and relief.....Everything appears to be in perfect working order. This is extremely strange. I have absolutely no idea what could have caused this issue......But I will run it for the next two weeks from this SSD and monitor the situation. Then in a month, if nothing else occurs, I will re-clone my 1TB 970 Evo Plus M.2 from this SSD. Yes.
Cloning may be the whole issue. Though there may be other reasons -capacity for one -I digress though...
It can get tricky when you clone a clone of a clone. Cloning can get to be a lot like a virus. The more times you do it -the more damage it does.
As of 2021 cloning once from the initial source is my limit. Any more times and data corruption shows up -ironically usually in strange ways.
When dealing with 10 TB of data daily -data corruption is something to avoid.
For instance when I did multiple clonings' -the OS would randomly jump ship to another hard drive.
Though I never experienced the flashing screen...
I do recall a time my screen went purple and BSOD. Ironically I thought it was the GPU fans that died at that time that caused the screen and BSOD.
However since that was the last system the was multi-cloned by me before I found out that multi-clones were bad.
It could have been the cloned OS crashing and burning not the GPU fans.
Just FYI if your using SSD keep 10% or more free. SSD need freespace to change and flop the memory dumps and loads.
The fuller the SSD; the slower this access time occurs and if the drive is quite full then the less free space...
Less space free means more data corruption and if a cloned systems sits on the same SSD then that only multiplies the corruption.
I hope the MS updates do help but know MS they are bound to lead to other problems.
I pray you finish updating Windows and the issues do not reappear all over again. For if they do then its Microsoft and Windows Update fault not anything your doing especially your hard drives.
THAT SAID...
Be sure that you wipe the drive your going to clone to before you clone it. Data corruption can run paramount and the problem is it will not show up right away -it will take time.
In human turns one may end up with a hand for an eye and a tooth for a fingernail.
EDIT:
There is a windows blocking utility if it is indeed what is causing issues: Google: Windows update blocker v1.6.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 10, 2021 19:59:01 GMT
Morning, so I have updated my GPU drivers and all my Windows stuff is totally up to date. My GPU appears to be working fine, and all the fans spin when needed (due to asynchronous control). No mechanical issues, no weird sounds, no blue screens that typically accompany GPU problems. The weird thing is that yesterday, I reinstalled my older 950 Pro M.2....and within a few minutes, the same issues began to happen. So then I took out the 950 M.2 and replaced it with an older 2.5 inch 850 Pro EVO SSD. And within less than ten minutes, the same issues started happening. I managed to get the SSD updated to current operating specs, but the issue of every application window I attempted to open *flashing* and then disappearing still continued even through the whole process. I find it very strange that the exact same problems are now plaguing three different pieces of hardware: both M.2s and a 2.5" SSD that yes, were cloned from one to another, but were never interconnected and don't technically have anything to do with each other. Each drive was used separately, so the way I look at it... problems with one should not affect the others. And ALL my drives were working perfectly....my entire PC was working to perfection up till last week Monday morning. Then without warning, it all went down hill. This afternoon, I am going to try to REPAIR Windows with an Repair program I have on a USB. If that doesn't work, I am going to re-install Windows fresh from the Installation DVD I have. **SITUATION UPDATE** So I turned on my PC this morning at 11:15 a.m. ET.....and it appears to be working perfectly perfect. I am booting off my original 850 EVO Pro SSD that my original installation of Windows 10 Pro was on (from when I changed over from Windows 7 via digital download the day Windows 10 was released way back when), so I am getting everything updated to current operating specs. I have re-installed new and fresh GPU drivers and performed a Clean Install on those....and I am presently doing some last minute Windows Updates like the .Net Framework 4.8. But to my great surprise and relief.....Everything appears to be in perfect working order. This is extremely strange. I have absolutely no idea what could have caused this issue......But I will run it for the next two weeks from this SSD and monitor the situation. Then in a month, if nothing else occurs, I will re-clone my 1TB 970 Evo Plus M.2 from this SSD. Yes.
Cloning may be the whole issue. Though there may be other reasons -capacity for one -I digress though...
It can get tricky when you clone a clone of a clone. Cloning can get to be a lot like a virus. The more times you do it -the more damage it does.
As of 2021 cloning once from the initial source is my limit. Any more times and data corruption shows up -ironically usually in strange ways.
When dealing with 10 TB of data daily -data corruption is something to avoid.
For instance when I did multiple clonings' -the OS would randomly jump ship to another hard drive.
Though I never experienced the flashing screen...
I do recall a time my screen went purple and BSOD. Ironically I thought it was the GPU fans that died at that time that caused the screen and BSOD.
However since that was the last system the was multi-cloned by me before I found out that multi-clones were bad.
It could have been the cloned OS crashing and burning not the GPU fans.
Just FYI if your using SSD keep 10% or more free SSD need space to charge flop the memory dumps.
Less space free means more data corruption and if a cloned systems sits on the same SSD then that only multiplies the corruption.
I hope the MS updates do help but know MS they are bound to lead to other problems.
I pray you finish updating Windows and the issues do not reappear all over again. For if they do then its Microsoft and Windows Update fault not anything your doing especially your hard drives.
THAT SAID...
Be sure that you wipe the drive your going to clone to before you clone it. Data corruption can run paramount and the problem is it will not show up right away -it will take time.
In human turns one may end up with a hand for an eye and a tooth for a fingernail.
Thanks for the info, Vanguard. Right now from a 512 GB SSD with a total of 475 Usable GBs, I have 220 GB of Free Space though I am missing HZD and Steam on this (which I can re-install onto my 1TB M.2 once it is freshly cloned one time only...as per your friendly note, which is appreciated), and there is other stuff like more updated versions of my personal folder with all my writing that is also stored on my back-up Crucial SSD...But I can pull that off any time. The reason why I migrated to the 1 TB 970 Evo Plus from the 512gb 950 is as you said because of size. And I am finding that also with this 512gb SSD. It's just not big enough. But for now....I will use it to see if everything works properly, and pray the issues do not return. When I am satisfied that it is working properly, I will do one clone. IF it does not work out.....Then I will be running a Windows Repair Tool. If even that doesn't work, I will be re-installing Windows freshly from my Installation DVD. Note: Considering your note, Vanguard, about the more times you clone a drive to other drives, the greater the chances and and risk of increased data corruption is....And since I have a Windows 10 PRO 64-bit Installation DVD with a License Key, I have decided that once I re-install my 1 TB 970 EVO Plus M.2, I am going to do a fresh installation of Windows. Because I have all of my EXEs backed-up to my Crucial SSD....so I won't actually be missing out on anything that I used to have but now I can't download because it's all there. It would simply be a matter of taking the time to do all the updates from scratch and re-install all my desired programs and games.
But as that will take several hours that I don't have through the week, I am going to wait until this coming Saturday and get an early start on it the.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 10, 2021 23:39:08 GMT
Yes.
Cloning may be the whole issue. Though there may be other reasons -capacity for one -I digress though...
It can get tricky when you clone a clone of a clone. Cloning can get to be a lot like a virus. The more times you do it -the more damage it does.
As of 2021 cloning once from the initial source is my limit. Any more times and data corruption shows up -ironically usually in strange ways.
When dealing with 10 TB of data daily -data corruption is something to avoid.
For instance when I did multiple clonings' -the OS would randomly jump ship to another hard drive.
Though I never experienced the flashing screen...
I do recall a time my screen went purple and BSOD. Ironically I thought it was the GPU fans that died at that time that caused the screen and BSOD.
However since that was the last system the was multi-cloned by me before I found out that multi-clones were bad.
It could have been the cloned OS crashing and burning not the GPU fans.
Just FYI if your using SSD keep 10% or more free SSD need space to charge flop the memory dumps.
Less space free means more data corruption and if a cloned systems sits on the same SSD then that only multiplies the corruption.
I hope the MS updates do help but know MS they are bound to lead to other problems.
I pray you finish updating Windows and the issues do not reappear all over again. For if they do then its Microsoft and Windows Update fault not anything your doing especially your hard drives.
THAT SAID...
Be sure that you wipe the drive your going to clone to before you clone it. Data corruption can run paramount and the problem is it will not show up right away -it will take time.
In human turns one may end up with a hand for an eye and a tooth for a fingernail.
Thanks for the info, Vanguard. Right now from a 512 GB SSD with a total of 475 Usable GBs, I have 220 GB of Free Space though I am missing HZD and Steam on this (which I can re-install onto my 1TB M.2 once it is freshly cloned one time only...as per your friendly note, which is appreciated), and there is other stuff like more updated versions of my personal folder with all my writing that is also stored on my back-up Crucial SSD...But I can pull that off any time. The reason why I migrated to the 1 TB 970 Evo Plus from the 512gb 950 is as you said because of size. And I am finding that also with this 512gb SSD. It's just not big enough. But for now....I will use it to see if everything works properly, and pray the issues do not return. When I am satisfied that it is working properly, I will do one clone. IF it does not work out.....Then I will be running a Windows Repair Tool. If even that doesn't work, I will be re-installing Windows freshly from my Installation DVD. Note: Considering your note, Vanguard, about the more times you clone a drive to other drives, the greater the chances and and risk of increased data corruption is....And since I have a Windows 10 PRO 64-bit Installation DVD with a License Key, I have decided that once I re-install my 1 TB 970 EVO Plus M.2, I am going to do a fresh installation of Windows. Because I have all of my EXEs backed-up to my Crucial SSD....so I won't actually be missing out on anything that I used to have but now I can't download because it's all there. It would simply be a matter of taking the time to do all the updates from scratch and re-install all my desired programs and games.
But as that will take several hours that I don't have through the week, I am going to wait until this coming Saturday and get an early start on it the.  I understand this greatly. I install windows then go through an EIGHT HOUR modification regimen... IT. IS. TEDIOUS.
Cloning always looks so beneficial but its drawbacks make the results for me wary.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 10, 2021 23:42:22 GMT
This was me earlier....and especially last week:
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on May 11, 2021 0:37:48 GMT
A system should always be installed on the drive inside the PC it will run. Symmetrically, if you replace MB or CPU, you need to re-install the OS.
Excuse me, but has anybody here ever successfully mounted a drive with a cloned OS in a PC?
I'm asking, because as far as I know, since about now almost two decades ago (don't remember exactly), that "should" not even be possible.
Though I've lost touch with how MS or Linux have moved since, to make big repairs or exchanges of major components like MB, CPU or drive, easier, so I'm fumbling in a fog of old date assumptions.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 11, 2021 1:08:12 GMT
A system should always be installed on the drive inside the PC it will run. Symmetrically, if you replace MB or CPU, you need to re-install the OS. Excuse me, but has anybody here ever successfully mounted a drive with a cloned OS in a PC? I'm asking, because as far as I know, since about now almost two decades ago (don't remember exactly), that "should" not even be possible. Though I've lost touch with how MS or Linux have moved since, to make big repairs or exchanges of major components like MB, CPU or drive, easier, so I'm fumbling in a fog of old date assumptions. You can certainly run them. There are even special Linux distributions that are specifically designed to be run directly from USB drives, so an IT tech can just plug them into any computer and run his own OS for diagnostics or what have you. Similarly, there are special very fast USB sticks that are designed to run Windows.
However, if you are changing your core hardware, I would also recommend a clean install, simply to avoid leftover garbage in the system and ensure smooth running. Here is what I do: I have a pretty small SSD (128 GB in my case), which basically only runs Windows and a few other small programs and nothing else. Almost all programs (and especially games) are installed on separate SSDs and HDDs. Obviously libraries (like My Documents, pictures, music, etc.) are also kept on a different drive (you can re-link the windows library pointers to wherever you want).
This allows me to re-install windows cleanly but then, e.g. for Steam games, I can simply re-install the Steam client to the same location as before and Steam will automatically have all the games in the library again. Same goes for almost all other launchers. You do that, document it properly and you can cleanly reset your system in an hour or so.
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Post by regack on May 11, 2021 1:48:59 GMT
However, if you are changing your core hardware, I would also recommend a clean install, simply to avoid leftover garbage in the system and ensure smooth running. Here is what I do: I have a pretty small SSD (128 GB in my case), which basically only runs Windows and a few other small programs and nothing else. Almost all programs (and especially games) are installed on separate SSDs and HDDs. Obviously libraries (like My Documents, pictures, music, etc.) are also kept on a different drive (you can re-link the windows library pointers to wherever you want).
This allows me to re-install windows cleanly but then, e.g. for Steam games, I can simply re-install the Steam client to the same location as before and Steam will automatically have all the games in the library again. Same goes for almost all other launchers. You do that, document it properly and you can cleanly reset your system in an hour or so.
Yes! This is the way, if you can do something like this it works great! The added benefit is that if you ever want/need to expand one of those locations you throw in a new drive, copy everything over, then just repoint to the new drive. I do a combination of either mounting the drive to a folder or just using a different drive letter, depending on the function, but it's the same idea. It's been years since I installed the OS & all of my stuff onto one big drive - never again. Smaller boot/OS drive, and then a couple of other drives for games/apps/etc..
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 11, 2021 3:27:54 GMT
A system should always be installed on the drive inside the PC it will run. Symmetrically, if you replace MB or CPU, you need to re-install the OS.
Excuse me, but has anybody here ever successfully mounted a drive with a cloned OS in a PC?I'm asking, because as far as I know, since about now almost two decades ago (don't remember exactly), that "should" not even be possible.Though I've lost touch with how MS or Linux have moved since, to make big repairs or exchanges of major components like MB, CPU or drive, easier, so I'm fumbling in a fog of old date assumptions. I disagree with this. If you use the same hardware: audio, graphics, LAN cards, ect. Not to mention the same hard drives and same or similar CPU and motherboard.
Basic rule of thumb: same chipset -same OS.
I see no need to remove the old chipset drivers even if the MB model or manufacture is different. Now if you go off the radar and decide to venture from Intel to AMD or vice versa then yes I agree. Reinstall the OS.
Yes I have done it many times.
When you know what your doing it is quite easily done. It can save a world of hassle and not to mention ALOT of time.
Though to clone a drive with a OS installed on it requires just more that copying data from 1 drive to another. Since Windows will bonk at you if you try to do it from the system.
It is actually better in my opinion to use a true clone software like EaseUS or Acronis for this. Yet once done you basically have two hard drives with your data in the exact same formation on the hard drive platters. Security of the OS even copied as well -stupid Windows 10-internal-security-feature-crap-that-does-no-good-in-the-first-place!
It has been possible to do this for a long time now.
Though it has gotten more complicated though the decades...
Back in the days of Windows 95/98 all you needed to do was just install the OS on a hard drive. Take that drive out of the system and put it in another -where the CPU and Motherboard were the same base: Intel or AMD. The drive would boot up. Of course you would need to reinstall the audio, graphics and so on.
Now days the best way to clone an OS is to as said before use imagining/cloning software. Since Windows 10 makes it a bloody mess to do otherwise with its OS locking to hardware I/O -profiles. They have lucky backed off of this with recent updates.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 11, 2021 3:28:05 GMT
However, if you are changing your core hardware, I would also recommend a clean install, simply to avoid leftover garbage in the system and ensure smooth running. Here is what I do: I have a pretty small SSD (128 GB in my case), which basically only runs Windows and a few other small programs and nothing else. Almost all programs (and especially games) are installed on separate SSDs and HDDs. Obviously libraries (like My Documents, pictures, music, etc.) are also kept on a different drive (you can re-link the windows library pointers to wherever you want).
This allows me to re-install windows cleanly but then, e.g. for Steam games, I can simply re-install the Steam client to the same location as before and Steam will automatically have all the games in the library again. Same goes for almost all other launchers. You do that, document it properly and you can cleanly reset your system in an hour or so.
Yes! This is the way, if you can do something like this it works great! The added benefit is that if you ever want/need to expand one of those locations you throw in a new drive, copy everything over, then just repoint to the new drive. I do a combination of either mounting the drive to a folder or just using a different drive letter, depending on the function, but it's the same idea. It's been years since I installed the OS & all of my stuff onto one big drive - never again. Smaller boot/OS drive, and then a couple of other drives for games/apps/etc.. You know you can do this to the desktop right as well? Put everything on your desktop to another drive:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 11, 2021 3:35:51 GMT
This was me earlier....and especially last week: Be glad you are not this guy -WARNING... bloody:
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 11, 2021 11:47:24 GMT
This was me earlier....and especially last week: Be glad you are not this guy -WARNING... bloody:  Yer sick! LOL  I've seen that before..... Glad, I am though that I am not him. 
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Post by regack on May 11, 2021 13:23:25 GMT
You know you can do this to the desktop right as well? Put everything on your desktop to another drive: But... there should be exactly zero items on the desktop, so there's no need to redirect it...
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 11, 2021 14:49:55 GMT
You know you can do this to the desktop right as well? Put everything on your desktop to another drive: But... there should be exactly zero items on the desktop, so there's no need to redirect it... What do you mean, Reggie? I have lots of icons on my Desktop such as my AV, game icons etc..... But one thing I never ever do is save things like files or documents or downloads directly to my Desktop, because the Desktop (and other System folders like Downloads, Pictures, Documents) these are all part of the Windows subdirectory within the Registry and System directory of "System32sysWOW" which...if that gets messed up can cause major, major problems. So "best practice" is to never save anything like Word Documents or PPT presentations directly to the Desktop. If that is what you mean, then I get it. But your word choice seems very specific so I was wondering if you could kindly clarify....please and thank you.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 11, 2021 15:10:40 GMT
I'm oldsk00l. I have 1:1 physical disks with ~up to date images available to switch inside few minutes if something happens. Also images are available, taken periodically, one older, one newer in rotation. I wish I had 1:1 physical copy of the whole computer actually, like back in the server cluster days... maybe tad too expensive for what I need. B. Hieronymus Da I have restored and installed hundreds of computers from custom images successfully since '97-'98. We could do it straight from the network for inside DOS or Win based install, and for Solaris (SunOS) for example. |
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Post by regack on May 12, 2021 1:21:50 GMT
If that is what you mean, then I get it. But your word choice seems very specific so I was wondering if you could kindly clarify....please and thank you. Haha, no, I just don't like any clutter on my desktop. Clutter means icons. I have none. No files, no shortcuts, just the stupid recycle bin in the lower right corner. I've seen desktops covered with... icons... just... no.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 12, 2021 3:21:30 GMT
But... there should be exactly zero items on the desktop, so there's no need to redirect it... I have lots of icons on my Desktop such as my AV, game icons etc..... But one thing I never ever do is save things like files or documents or downloads directly to my Desktop, because the Desktop (and other System folders like Downloads, Pictures, Documents) these are all part of the Windows subdirectory within the Registry and System directory of "System32sysWOW" which...if that gets messed up can cause major, major problems. So "best practice" is to never save anything like Word Documents or PPT presentations directly to the Desktop. If that is what you mean, then I get it. But your word choice seems very specific so I was wondering if you could kindly clarify....please and thank you. He means this: VERSUS this:
I fall in between these extremes... need bigger resolution display so I don't end up with the first image. Kinda of hard to get the second since I have 5 2 TB drive connected all with information I want immediately accessible via the desktop.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 12, 2021 11:08:28 GMT
Hey Vanguard, yeah that top picture looks horrible. I get a migraine and get dizzy just from looking at the picture. I can't imagine would it would look like physically. Very disorienting. I see your point.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 12, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
The top picture gets approval because of the second column from the left, 5th row from the top.  Although I do find it weird that he has one shortcut to TES: Oblivion and also another Oblivion that doesn't seem to be a shortcut. What's going on there?  |
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