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Post by smilesja on May 28, 2021 23:21:01 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. The problem is when they chuck their pissy little diaper-baby tantrums because they didn't *get* titties. Or because the jawline is "manly", or because she has a scar, or because she wears full plate armour instead of a leather thong with a dime on the front. If all you want is to ogle a big, bouncing pair of impossibreasts, you already have a lot of options. You can go play those games right now, instead of having a big sookie-la-la at developers who make the creative choice to be a tad more realistic. I dunno, will people stop having meltdowns on Tumblr and Twitter because a woman in a video game or TV show showed a bit of cleavage? What are they puritans?
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 23:29:09 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. The problem is when they chuck their pissy little diaper-baby tantrums because they didn't *get* titties. Or because the jawline is "manly", or because she has a scar, or because she wears full plate armour instead of a leather thong with a dime on the front. If all you want is to ogle a big, bouncing pair of impossibreasts, you already have a lot of options. You can go play those games right now, instead of having a big sookie-la-la at developers who make the creative choice to be a tad more realistic. I dunno, will people stop having meltdowns on Tumblr and Twitter because a woman in a video game or TV show showed a bit of cleavage? What are they puritans? Cause that's who has the real power in the video game industry. Women on social media.
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Post by smilesja on May 28, 2021 23:32:10 GMT
I dunno, will people stop having meltdowns on Tumblr and Twitter because a woman in a video game or TV show showed a bit of cleavage? What are they puritans? Cause that's who has the real power in the video game industry. Women on social media. They have no more power than the neckbeard complaining about how a 14 year old is not sexualized.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 23:40:41 GMT
Cause that's who has the real power in the video game industry. Women on social media. They have no more power than the neckbeard complaining about how a 14 year old is not sexualized. But you present these arguments as though they have equal validity, or else why even make the comparison? Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. "Little girls you can wank to" is not.
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Post by smilesja on May 28, 2021 23:45:04 GMT
They have no more power than the neckbeard complaining about how a 14 year old is not sexualized. But you present these arguments as though they have equal validity, or else why even make the comparison? Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. "Little girls you can wank to" is not. I think it comes down to perspective, and I'm not sure that seeing naked women will lead to hostility towards women in games.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 23:48:07 GMT
But you present these arguments as though they have equal validity, or else why even make the comparison? Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. "Little girls you can wank to" is not. I think it comes down to perspective, and I'm not sure that seeing naked women will lead to hostility towards women in games. The objectification of women HAS led to that. Harassment and even violence against women in the gaming community is a problem CURRENTLY, it is not a hypothetical.
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Well, that took longer than I expected it to.
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Post by Carcharoth on May 29, 2021 1:45:14 GMT
Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. The same hostility and threats men get when gaming? I've never taken those seriously. Do you believe women can't handle it like we do? I'd like to think women can handle a few mean words on their own. All the ones I've known have. Perhaps you should have more faith in them, and let them stand on their own.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 29, 2021 2:33:35 GMT
Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. The same hostility and threats men get when gaming? I've never taken those seriously. Do you believe women can't handle it like we do? I'd like to think women can handle a few mean words on their own. All the ones I've known have. Perhaps you should have more faith in them, and let them stand on their own. I'm not engaging with you or with any other bad faith arguments about this. The serious abuse committed against women who play games or work in games or have opinions about games is extremely well-documented. Either you're feigning ignorance in order to troll or you've been living under a rock for 10 years. Either way, this is a waste of my time.
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Post by Guardian on May 29, 2021 2:51:05 GMT
Well, that took longer than I expected it to. I'd have guessed page 2 at the latest.
It's okay; I think a lot of us figured that was the safe bet.
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Post by Carcharoth on May 29, 2021 2:57:31 GMT
The same hostility and threats men get when gaming? I've never taken those seriously. Do you believe women can't handle it like we do? I'd like to think women can handle a few mean words on their own. All the ones I've known have. Perhaps you should have more faith in them, and let them stand on their own. I'm not engaging with you or with any other bad faith arguments about this. The serious abuse committed against women who play games or work in games or have opinions about games is extremely well-documented. Either you're feigning ignorance in order to troll or you've been living under a rock for 10 years. Either way, this is a waste of my time. It's hardly bad faith. Considering I've seen everything from attacking an easy target in multiplayer that was apparently a woman, disagreeing with an entitled person that happens to be a woman, or simply arguing in favor of things you like that happens to offend a woman considered abuse alongside actual violence or threats of it, it does need some clarification at times. But if you don't wish to argue the point with me, I certainly won't push the issue. I will however point out that it's hypocritical to argue against the very things you're in favor of when they benefit you. Perhaps you should think about that when you want sexy men to ogle in your games.
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Post by smilesja on May 29, 2021 14:52:48 GMT
I think it comes down to perspective, and I'm not sure that seeing naked women will lead to hostility towards women in games. The objectification of women HAS led to that. Harassment and even violence against women in the gaming community is a problem CURRENTLY, it is not a hypothetical. Any proof to that? Are you sure that the fanservice that is portrayed in games has lead directly to men acting like wild animals and not because they weren't raised properly by their parents?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 29, 2021 15:17:49 GMT
Any proof to that? Are you sure that the fanservice that is portrayed in games has lead directly to men acting like wild animals and not because they weren't raised properly by their parents? Remember, back in the day, what was his name, Jack Thomson? The guy that kept making accusations that video games caused violence and was debunked by every single metric out there? I'm sure, when some real research is done, if anyone actually believes the accusations in the first place, it will be just as debunked. At this point, the only thing that hasn't been attributed to video games, is global warming. And that's because Crypto mining beat us to it. That greatest plagues of mankind, over the past 100 years have been video games, heavy metal and Dungeons and Dragons. They've caused everything.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 29, 2021 16:59:59 GMT
Less objectification of women and less hostility towards women in gaming culture is a reasonable thing to ask for. The same hostility and threats men get when gaming? I've never taken those seriously. Do you believe women can't handle it like we do? I'd like to think women can handle a few mean words on their own. All the ones I've known have. Perhaps you should have more faith in them, and let them stand on their own. You honestly mean to suggest that strong, independent, autonomous women might have to deal with sometimes running into disrespectful assholes just like everybody else in any given open forum? And that trying to shelter them from that evil, evil notion is in fact infantilizing and sexist? I don't know, man. That sounds like crazy-talk. Personally I don't doubt that violence and sex in games have pushed a few people who wouldn't otherwise have had the courage over the edge into doing something terrible. That not ever being the case is just too improbable. Same with movies and comic books and a slew of other things. Some people really are very underdeveloped and impressionable and primed by other factors in their lives. But it's a crazy leap from there to saying that mainstream art and entertainment should censor themselves in order to try to socialize those occasional drooling morons who can't look at a pair of animated breasts without concluding that women are subhuman, or try to engineer society to turn women into some messed-up protected class that mustn't be suffered to feel disrespected. Like they're medieval royalty, or the church. Yeah, no. And if I were to guess, even sexy and violent video games avert so much more violence against women, sexual and otherwise, than they cause that it's not even a contest just by virtue of how many young men they keep indoor, solitary, sober and single. All that said, I do really prefer games where the characters are realistically proportioned and the clothes make sense for the setting and the situation, and wouldn't mind more of that just in order to make them more believable. And not because I'm the least bit worried about "objectification". If some women really can't deal with men enjoying female beauty without getting insecure and deluding themselves into thinking that that means that's all those men enjoy about women, or that women wouldn't get hurt without those influences, then good luck finding another species because that whole situation isn't going anywhere.
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Post by skekSil on May 29, 2021 18:28:35 GMT
What this thread lacks is a female perspective.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on May 29, 2021 21:06:46 GMT
What this thread lacks is a female perspective. Fuck you. I just spent 2 minutes cleaning my beer out of my keyboard. >8l
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 0:18:18 GMT
What this thread lacks is a female perspective. What if the woman is as crazy about paizuri as I am?
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Post by Carcharoth on May 30, 2021 1:44:56 GMT
What this thread lacks is a female perspective. What if the woman is as crazy about paizuri as I am? Then you should skip the checked luggage. Take a big carry-on and remember to pack a travel sized bottle of baby oil.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 30, 2021 10:52:05 GMT
I think I've only ever known one fellow adult gamer guy who really couldn't get his head around the idea that women are people too. And he was creepy in that always-trying-to-be-vaguely-charming-without-ever-really-listening-with-glassy-eyes way, but he wasn't dangerous.
One time he went swimming with a couple of our friends and the girls caught sight of some ribbed Adonis who wasn't him and apparently couldn't stop gushing about the guy's abs, and I found him hilariously slumped on a couch afterwards like a beaten dog with a thousand-yard stare talking about women not having souls and only being unfeeling biological machines looking for ideal physical partners.
I pointed out how he was always going around complimenting attractive women on their appearances while ignoring the ones who didn't suit him, and way more unfeelingly than those girls had ever treated him in spite of being around superior specimen and finding him rather off-putting, and tried to get him to admit that maybe there was just a little bit more going on than he was allowing on both sides. Then he got all angry and embarrassed and did the "I'm not engaging with you or anyone else who argues in bad faith" thing, and the conversation was over, and he was pretty much himself the next day.
No idea if he ever grew up, or if he's still out there making some woman uncomfortable every once in a while and whining when they pay attention to better-looking men. But I know I'm not worried about him hurting anyone, that decreasing the amount of sexy outfits in games wouldn't change anything about his thinking, and that video game companies don't owe him a brainwashing at their or our expense. And that the average woman can survive being uncomfortable or getting creeped out for a few minutes without suffering permanent damage. That's just one of the gambles you make when you walk out your front door or go on the internet.
I could see more games with intimate and emotionally believable stories and RPGs with hard choices that you can't just easily moralize or snap-judge your way out of maybe helping someone like him gain an awareness that people and the world are more complicated and less black-and-white than he gives them credit for. But I'd want more of those games made because people enjoy and appreciate them, and not just because someone thinks people like him needs it to develop the attitude they think he should have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 2:23:32 GMT
I wont deny I am a troll but I really am trying to have an actual conversation with this question. While trying to do it in a way that doesn't get the mods panties in a bunch. I am curious where the line is draw for representation in terms of sexuality. I love big boobs, giant, real, fake huge fucking boobs, it is my sexuality, I would argue it as part as my sexuality just like that a gay man finds a penis attractive on another male. The closest Bioware has gotten was Isabela, but even then I'd say they were a little too small for me. As you can tell by my name I am in a small niche of dudes who would rather engage in mammary intercourse than vaginal. Is this not the same as a gay man wanting a gay LI? Or for a transexual individual to want to have representation? Is the line orientation and not fetishism? I would argue that my orientation is based on breast size. I would have mammary intercourse with Nicki Valentina Rose even though she is transexual. What are your guys(and gals) thoughts. As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! Jacob was in ME2, he fulfilled that fantasy.
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Post by skekSil on Aug 11, 2021 16:06:58 GMT
As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! Speaking of Liara's breast - did they make it the same size accross all games in Legendary Edition? Edited quote attribution
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 19:28:18 GMT
As a MOSTLY Heterosexual Woman, I love a big Penis. However I've yet to have my fantasy represented in a game. You however, have bubble butt Miranda and DD Liara, who's breasts grow with every game. Please go away and contemplate how fortunate you are! Speaking of Liara's breast - did they make it the same size accross all games in Legendary Edition? Thanks for editing it to make it look like I said that. geez
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 10:35:55 GMT
We need more wang.
I want tits. I want ass. I want floopy dongs.
I want a game so depraved there is too much of everything for everyone, so much that it actually disgusts everyone as much as iy fascinates them.
I want to watch it with Tipper Gore. Again and again, until we both get it.
The most fun I had in CP2077 was shaping my wang. Then, it got wrapped up never to be seen again. What is that shit?!?
People are never going to stop fucking. Think about it.
Heterosexuals are never going to stop fucking. Whether that excites you or not, be thankful - you exist because your parents got freaky.
Gays will never stop fucking either. Why should they?
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I think sexuality should be represented in some video games. Nobody is taking away my Grandma's Harlequin Romance Novels either, or there will be guns at dawn.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 13, 2021 17:11:00 GMT
We need more wang. I want tits. I want ass. I want floopy dongs. I want a game so depraved there is too much of everything for everyone, so much that it actually disgusts everyone as much as iy fascinates them. I want to watch it with Tipper Gore. Again and again, until we both get it. The most fun I had in CP2077 was shaping my wang. Then, it got wrapped up never to be seen again. What is that shit?!? People are never going to stop fucking. Think about it. Heterosexuals are never going to stop fucking. Whether that excites you or not, be thankful - you exist because your parents got freaky. Gays will never stop fucking either. Why should they? ... I think sexuality should be represented in some video games. Nobody is taking away my Grandma's Harlequin Romance Novels either, or there will be guns at dawn. See that's what I'm talking about lol
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